Shia, Sunni?

[syedbaba]

I have a question was jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari shia or sunni?

[syedbaba]

Asalam Alikum

Mera sawal hai k Shair Shah Syed Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari Sunni the ya Shia?

[sidnaq]

6 hours ago, syedbaba said:

I have a question was jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari shia or sunni?

Salam ,who is this man, for which you are asking hehe

[Hameedeh]

Salam. According to Wikipedia, Jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari was a Sufi. 

[Arif Ali 786]

8 hours ago, syedbaba said:

I have a question was jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari shia or sunni?

what makes the difference? he was the descendant of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

[Bukhari8k]

15 hours ago, syedbaba said:

I have a question was jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari shia or sunni?

He was a sunni sufi saint and one of the khulafa/chief disciples of Bahauddin Zakariya of Multan, student of Sheikh Umar al Hafs in Suhurwardiya order. After Multan he moved to bahawalpur to Uch Sharif which was the second most important area for their teachings. Bukhari (Naqvi) in indo-pak are mainly his descendants. Also his grandson Jalauddin atThani alias Jahanian Jahangasht was a very prominent saint. Literary and jurisprudence work by both the saints show their sunni hanafi maslak (which has been the prevalent madhab not just in Sindh/Punjab but entire indo-pak) and which have been recorded in Jawahir Jalali, Mazhar Jalali, Muqarar-nama, Siraj ul Hidaya and specially Dur-ul-Manzum etc are available in a few libraries in India and there are also personal copies of their work with selective people in Pakistan. I have got a book by Prof M. Ayub Qadri (latest published 1976) reviewing the lives of both the saints and their works. 

Edited April 20, 2016 by Bukhari8k

[hakimi]

On 4/19/2016 at 3:39 AM, syedbaba said:

Asalam Alikum

Mera sawal hai k Shair Shah Syed Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari Sunni the ya Shia?

سلام علیکم.

سید جلال الدین نو نسل بعد امام هادی علیه السلام کی اولاد میں سے ہیں۔

[Guest MuslimOnly]

On 4/20/2016 at 1:41 AM, sidnaq said:

Salam ,who is this man, for which you are asking hehe

Please don't make fun of religious personalities.

[Guest Syed Shah]

My family claim descendance from Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari and his grandson Jahaniyan Jahangsht. We do have a lot of evidence to back these claims, but the family trees and documentations are spread throughout Pakistan and India.

Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari him self was a Sufi Sunni. Yet he is a descendant of the 10th imam which is Imam Naqi. And there is some claim that he in fact is through the lineage of the 11th imam, related to the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). Many of his descendants are Shia, also the sunni ones have an inclination towards Shia Islam. Any real Sunni descendant will often agree Hazrat Ali RA, has the highest significance within Islam before any of the other Sahaba with this they will view the Sahaba with respect.

[islamicmusic]

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Martyr Ayatullah Mutahhari, who separated Sunni and Shi’i muhaddithun, fuqaha’, mutakallimun and mufassirun in his series of books entitled Ashnaiba ‘ulum-e-Islami (An Introduction to Islamic Sciences), could not, or intentionally did not, mention any Sufi or ‘arif as Shi’i or Sunni. This is in itself evidence that sectarian differences disappear in the fold of Sufism.

https://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/vol5-n3-4/tasawwuf-meeting-point-tashayyu-and-tasannun-sayyid-wahid-akhtar/tasawwuf

Before the emergence of wahhabism and thus sectarianism popping up in the late few centuries, people have always had views converging sunni and shia islam. Through Sufi (Sunni) and Arif (Shia Mystics) Scholars meetings, people used to have more mixed beliefs. I know and have read some sufi works of Ottoman scholars, agreeing Imam Ali was appointed as Imam by God and Prophet as successor to the Holy Prophet and that his caliphate was delayed.

Edited April 24, 2022 by islamicmusic

[amerhachem]

I have an interesting question and it may be a little off topic. Well it’s more of a theoretical question. Lets say for example I enter a village. To my right there are shia muslims and to the left there are sunni muslims but in the middle there is the Quran. Shouldn’t I just stay in the middle with the Quran and not chose the left side or the right side? I mean if I just chose the Quran, why should I listen to anything both sides have to say? 

[islamicmusic]

Both sides have the same Holy Quran as in Arabic text. However sunnis have the Quran e Samit, i.e. the silent Quran only. Whereas Shia Muslims have the Quran e Samit, Quran e Natiq (i.e. the Speaking Quran) and the Quran e Mujassam (the embodiments of the Quran, i.e. living, walking Qurans) who are the Holy Prophet and his household.

It is narrated in sunni sources that when they ask about the morality of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Lady Aisha tells that "His morality was the Quran". Meaning that he was the living version and embodiment of the Holy Quran. Same goes for Ahlulbayt. And that's why, the Holy Prophet narrates the Thaqalayn Hadith, recorded in both sunni and shia sources.

"Looks like I have been called, and I answered (my time of death has come), indeed I have left the thaqalayn (two weighty things) among you, one of them is greater from the other, the book of Allah and my 'itra (family), my ahl al-bayt (household). So look after how you will behave with them after me, indeed they will never separate from each other until they enter my presence by the pool [in the paradise]."

For sunni and shia sources and other narrations: https://en.wikishia.net/view/Hadith_al-Thaqalayn#Text

So, my dear friend, of course we all have the Holy Quran, but we need its interprators and embodiments as examples to that. And the text of the Holy Quran calls us to go to them.

Please see these booklet. I suggest it dearly: Ahl-ul Bayt in the Quran.pdf

Thanks.

Edited April 25, 2022 by islamicmusic

[amerhachem]

17 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

Both sides have the same Holy Quran as in Arabic text. However sunnis have the Quran e Samit, i.e. the silent Quran only. Whereas Shia Muslims have the Quran e Samit, Quran e Natiq (i.e. the Speaking Quran) and the Quran e Mujassam (the embodiments of the Quran, i.e. living, walking Qurans) who are the Holy Prophet and his household.

It is narrated in sunni sources that when they ask about the morality of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Lady Aisha tells that "His morality was the Quran". Meaning that he was the living version and embodiment of the Holy Quran. Same goes for Ahlulbayt. And that's why, the Holy Prophet narrates the Thaqalayn Hadith, recorded in both sunni and shia sources.

"Looks like I have been called, and I answered (my time of death has come), indeed I have left the thaqalayn (two weighty things) among you, one of them is greater from the other, the book of Allah and my 'itra (family), my ahl al-bayt (household). So look after how you will behave with them after me, indeed they will never separate from each other until they enter my presence by the pool [in the paradise]."

For sunni and shia sources and other narrations: https://en.wikishia.net/view/Hadith_al-Thaqalayn#Text

So, my dear friend, of course we all have the Holy Quran, but we need its interprators and embodiments as examples to that. And the text of the Holy Quran calls us to go to them.

Please see these booklet. I suggest it dearly: Ahl-ul Bayt in the Quran.pdf

Thanks.

Brother, I'm a revert from sunni to shia because I accepted the truth but It's so hard to understand what to do though because I don't know where to start. I don't know what my obligations are as a shia, any guidance you give would be helpful because among you beautiful souls I feel like a outcast  

[Irfani313]

4 hours ago, amerhachem said:

Brother, I'm a revert from sunni to shia because I accepted the truth but It's so hard to understand what to do though because I don't know where to start. I don't know what my obligations are as a shia, any guidance you give would be helpful because among you beautiful souls I feel like a outcast  

Salam- thanks for resurrecting a billion years old thread!! 
 

Your switch from Sunni to Shia is for two things:

1. You changed your aqeeda from a hotchpotch of whateverness to the Aqeeda of Wilayah of Allah, His Last Prophet, and the 12 Imams that come after. You picked the real Tawheed in which God won’t put his leg in the ditch of Jahannum ( a silly Sunni folklore), or you have finally believed into a real Prophet Muhammad sawaw whose heart wasn’t needed to be cleansed by some heart surgery (another Sunni funny folklore). 
 

2. Fiqh wise, that is in your actions, you are now getting it from the pure stream of Khawthar, that is from the door of Prophet’s Ahlulbayt who lived and died by the Prophet, a opposed to the stinky sewage that is fed to the masses from the Hadith-forging factories of Umayyads who were hellbent in destroying the true religion of our Master Muhammad (May eternal blessings on him and his household). 
 

So congratulations, Aqeeda wise, you have perfected your deen. Read the book titled “Shia” by Ayatullah Tabatabei to excel more in the Aqeeda that was taught by the Last Prophet. 
 

Actions wise, start with Salat, pray on clay and not on carpet, pray like our Master Muhammad and his brother Ali used to pray, hands unfolded, saying loud Bismillah before every Surah, making Qunoot, and finishing Salat without turning your head right and left.
 

Then in Ramadhan, open your fast at the Layl time, that is 10-30 min after the Ghuroob (sunset). For more details, visit a local masjid visited by your fellow Muslims of the pure Fiqh of Muhammad aka Shias, ask them for books which discuss the various other Ibadaat. For brevity, read this https://www.sistani.org, and start the change from today .. 

Since you switched from Sunni (Fiqh of umar, ayesha, muawiah) to Shia (the pure Fiqh of Honorable Muhammad, the seal of the Prophets), do share your spiritual state once you eat, drink, sleep, wake up, pray, fast, in the real lifestyle of the Prophet of Allah. 

[Syed Muhammad Shah]

On 4/24/2022 at 5:40 AM, Guest Syed Shah said:

My family claim descendance from Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari and his grandson Jahaniyan Jahangsht. We do have a lot of evidence to back these claims, but the family trees and documentations are spread throughout Pakistan and India.

Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari him self was a Sufi Sunni. Yet he is a descendant of the 10th imam which is Imam Naqi. And there is some claim that he in fact is through the lineage of the 11th imam, related to the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). Many of his descendants are Shia, also the sunni ones have an inclination towards Shia Islam. Any real Sunni descendant will often agree Hazrat Ali RA, has one of the highest significance within Islam before any of the other Sahaba with this they will view the Sahaba with respect.

If anyone has more information regarding Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari please message me

My family itself has mixed Shia and sunni beliefs due to descendanding from Jalaluddin Surkh Posh (as he was a sufi sunni)

[AbdusSibtayn]

His descendants, who openly declared their Shi'ism sometime c. the 16th century AD, claimed that he was a Shia but was observing Taqiyyah. I believe the current sajjada-nashin of his shrine and the other pirzaadgaan are Twelver Shias as well. 

[ShiaChat Mod]

On 4/26/2022 at 11:54 PM, Syed Muhammad Shah said:

If anyone has more information regarding Jalaluddin Surkh Posh Bukhari please message me

Salam. As a new member, you cannot message anyone until you become an Advanced member. 

[Syed Muhammad Shah]

On 5/3/2022 at 6:47 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

His descendants, who openly declared their Shi'ism sometime c. the 16th century AD, claimed that he was a Shia but was observing Taqiyyah. I believe the current sajjada-nashin of his shrine and the other pirzaadgaan are Twelver Shias as well. 

They are fake Syed I accessed my family library it includes large books mostly destroyed in floodings fire and some occupied however 1 family tree book which my relatives have which is 1066 pages written 8 generations ago shows the ones claiming to be sajjada nasheen are indeed fake descendants as they claim bloodline of men who's bloodline didn't continue 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Syed Muhammad Shah said:

They are fake Syed I accessed my family library it includes large books mostly destroyed in floodings fire and some occupied however 1 family tree book which my relatives have which is 1066 pages written 8 generations ago shows the ones claiming to be sajjada nasheen are indeed fake descendants as they claim bloodline of men who's bloodline didn't continue 

I am talking about the 16th century, akhi.