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Al Salam alikum 

 

as a prelude to my former post I was asked why is it that most inventors are non Muslims . Here is this persons post :

 

It's not pre set judgement but I cannot use what he gave me ?!?! So the idea then is that he is testing you or me ?!?! Well , the all powerful he is , he should know that by giving some people different capabilities that they will execute what they were meant to execute . No ?!?!  Giving you the critical mind and putting you in that category is more like condemning you !?!  No , as well ?!?! It's interesting how 95% of all scientifist ( who are doomed by this critical mind , live and die to be atheist )!!! You Don't believe that as well ?!?! Finally, It's interesting to always call him a "he" as a "she"could not even dare to do this mess  ?!? ))

 

 

*** ignore the mumble jumble in middle ... If anyone has a good list of Muslims that changed the world of science please share ؛

 

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Here is a list of Muslim Nobel Prize Winners in a Science.

The first Muslim Nobel Prize winner in a science in 1979 was achieved by Abdus Salam a theoretical physicist who was Pakistani, "for the contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current".

The 1999 Noble Prize in Chemistry was awarded to Ahmad Zewail an Egyptian "for his studies of the transition states of chemical reaction using femtosecond spectroscopy"

Aziz Sancar a Turkish Nobel laureate was awarded a Nobel prize in Chemistry in the field of molecular biology "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair" in 2015.

 

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1 hour ago, karbalah said:

the pic below are of ibn seena ,al farabi ,Omar al khayam

Another two very influential one were

1)  Al-Ma'-arri (973-1057)  -  He wrote:

"The Prophets, too, among us come to teach, 
Are one with those who from the pulpit preach; 
They pray, and slay, and pass away, 
and yet our ills are as the pebbles on the beach."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri

2)  Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi, a Persian scholar who lived during the 9th and 10th century, was a physician, alchemist and chemist, musician, philosopher and scholar.
He was critical of the idea of revealed religion, he wrote:
"On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Zakariya_al-Razi
 

1 hour ago, karbalah said:

the argument is that Islam set civilization back from the start and non Muslims contributed to civilization progress 

 

I don't think this is quite right, it makes me sad to think that for centuries Islam used to be a great nation, the axis and focus of excellence, its Universities and learning hubs were the envy of the known world. 

This was achieved not by Piousness or Prayer (it was the same Quran after all) but because Islam was liberal, daring and innovative. Debate, Investigation, freedom of thought, Literature and the Arts were encouraged and actively promoted. 

Islam now has been high-jacked  by religious bigots who spend time deciding how many wings angels have. 

Their greed for power has impoverished and demotivated young people who are told that the best and proper thing to do is pray, be submissive and blame the West. 

What chance is there to improve the culture? 

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On 4/12/2016 at 7:53 PM, karbalah said:

as a prelude to my former post I was asked why is it that most inventors are non Muslims . Here is this persons post :

 

It's not pre set judgement but I cannot use what he gave me ?!?! So the idea then is that he is testing you or me ?!?! Well , the all powerful he is , he should know that by giving some people different capabilities that they will execute what they were meant to execute . No ?!?!  Giving you the critical mind and putting you in that category is more like condemning you !?!  No , as well ?!?! It's interesting how 95% of all scientifist ( who are doomed by this critical mind , live and die to be atheist )!!! You Don't believe that as well ?!?! Finally, It's interesting to always call him a "he" as a "she"could not even dare to do this mess  ?!? ))

Ok I will set to debunk everything this person said:

1. The Islamic Golden Age ended as a result of the Mongolian Conquests and their sacking and destroying of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.

2. Muslim lands which had great scientific knowledge and libraries were taken by Christians lands such as, Spain and Sicily which Muslims had set up a prominent presence in.

3. Economics, the reason philosophy and science declined in the Muslim world was that ever since the Abbasids were destroyed by the Mongols, no competent Muslim leaders arose to the occasion to reestablish centers of learning that were destroyed by the Mongols.

4. The Crusades took a huge toll on Muslims and with the Christians reconquering Spain and Siciliy this put the Muslims at an impasse.

 

Also to a degree science actually never truly left the Muslim World during the Mughal Dynasty in India Mysorean rockets were invented which the Britiish later adopted and engineers were also active in works like constructing the Taj Mahal

As to why most scientists are Atheists it is because they set up in-groups when they go to become University proffessors and form their own "cliques"

Jonathan AC Brown explains it best:

 

 

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On April 17, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Enlightened Follower said:

Ok I will set to debunk everything this person said:

1. The Islamic Golden Age ended as a result of the Mongolian Conquests and their sacking and destroying of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.

2. Muslim lands which had great scientific knowledge and libraries were taken by Christians lands such as, Spain and Sicily which Muslims had set up a prominent presence in.

3. Economics, the reason philosophy and science declined in the Muslim world was that ever since the Abbasids were destroyed by the Mongols, no competent Muslim leaders arose to the occasion to reestablish centers of learning that were destroyed by the Mongols.

4. The Crusades took a huge toll on Muslims and with the Christians reconquering Spain and Siciliy this put the Muslims at an impasse.

 

Also to a degree science actually never truly left the Muslim World during the Mughal Dynasty in India Mysorean rockets were invented which the Britiish later adopted and engineers were also active in works like constructing the Taj Mahal

As to why most scientists are Atheists it is because they set up in-groups when they go to become University proffessors and form their own "cliques"

Jonathan AC Brown explains it best:

 

 

Sorry I was away a bit I gave up on him but his mother called me crying for me to keep talking to him so with your help I will try !! Amazing refute God bless

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On 13/04/2016 at 4:53 AM, karbalah said:

Al Salam alikum 

 

as a prelude to my former post I was asked why is it that most inventors are non Muslims . Here is this persons post :

 

It's not pre set judgement but I cannot use what he gave me ?!?! So the idea then is that he is testing you or me ?!?! Well , the all powerful he is , he should know that by giving some people different capabilities that they will execute what they were meant to execute . No ?!?!  Giving you the critical mind and putting you in that category is more like condemning you !?!  No , as well ?!?! It's interesting how 95% of all scientifist ( who are doomed by this critical mind , live and die to be atheist )!!! You Don't believe that as well ?!?! Finally, It's interesting to always call him a "he" as a "she"could not even dare to do this mess  ?!? ))

 

 

*** ignore the mumble jumble in middle ... If anyone has a good list of Muslims that changed the world of science please share ؛

 

Lol, muslim contribution to modern science more prominent than Greeks. Father of Chemistry, Jabir ibn Hayan a Muslim; khwarzmi, father of algebra was a Mudlim: ibn Sina, a prominent physician was a Muslim; then there are famous botanists, pediatricIan,  surgeon who created 200 surgical instruments were Muslims. Why is West counting Greeks in and Muslims out? I think coz Greeks are Europeans and have white skin and Muslims do not have white skin. Lol its game of jealousy.

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14 hours ago, iCambrian said:

To answer the OPs question, step #1 blame non Muslims. Step #2 make a claim against atheists and zionists and throw in the word "Darwinism". Step #3 talk abou algebra. Step #4 rinse and repeat. 

No one is blaming man. Just admit what is reality. Algebra was indeed a great discovery and that's alphabet for mathematics, not only this but there is chemistry,  physiology, dentistry, geography, trigonometry many other fields where you will find contribution of Myslims. Europeans were not scientists by birth. All nations equally share in the development of science. Don't rule Muslims out coz you just don't like what we believe. :)

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On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 1:53 AM, karbalah said:

Al Salam alikum 

 

as a prelude to my former post I was asked why is it that most inventors are non Muslims.

 

I think many genius inventors believe in God like Edison.

My poem inspired by the Spirit of Christ the saviour: The most wise almighty lord of the heaven and earths whos light is the light of lights have created all. His majesty is beyond the limits of mind whos mind is connected to the geny mind.

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On 4/17/2016 at 10:50 AM, Enlightened Follower said:

Improve the economics

Although some would argue that culture is tied to economics. Max Weber was big into this assertion, especially when he compared Protestant Northern European nations to the relatively backwards Catholic ones.

While I do not agree with Neil deGrasse-Tyson on most religious matters, he did have a point in his infamous criticism of al-Ghazali, and his movement promoted many narrow-mindedness and "spiritual" intoxicants as a norm in Islam. This focus on spirituality, disdain of intellectualism and sciences have led to the intellectual decline of the Muslim world. Meanwhile, Europeans after the Crusades, were soaking in a lot of the knowledge from the Darul Islam abandoned by the Asha'ari movement.

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I think that most scientists are atheists for many reasons, some cuturally accidental and some related to focus (on the akhira) in Islam. So things like america having top universistes is related to conquest, enlightenment and the age of reason etc - all coming to click together to create the conditions.

 

Another reason is that some of the ulema are suspicious of intellectuals. In fact sometimes anti intellectual (not mentioning sects or madhabs). The common Muslim may be taught to thank God (ultimate cause of boons and blessings) but not to understand or delve into the material conditions (proximate causes) to prevent him becoming atheist and thinking "proximate causes are all there are..."  like an atheist might.

"Rabbana atina fid-dunya hasanatan wa fil 'akhirati hasanatan waqina 'adhaban-nar."

"Our Lord, give us good in this world and in the Hereafter, and protect us from the torment of the Fire." (2:201)

 

The good of this life involves a culture or ummah relating to the proximate causes the scientist, engineer and technologist etc know about.

 

There might be a take on the quote "seeking lawful earnings is the personality (ie good character)." For science and technology to be lawful (not halal as such but have a causeal relationship to action in a lawful manner, in terms of regularity and causation) you have to respect the mechanisms and methodology which produce it - (i.e. science and tech) - .... a hindu once said "To not work for 8 hours a day, but to expect more, is the tendency of  a gambler".

 

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