Wudhu : washing upwards without niyyat

[kashif.h]

As salamu aleikoum,

It is known that you cannot wash your face and arms upwards when doing wudhu : you can only wash them downwards.

1) If so, then how are you supposed to make water penetrate in some difficult to access areas like the top of your forehead if you are not bald, your beard, your nose or your eyebrows ? As Ay. Sistani said, you should wash the whole length of the face, from the hairline to the chin and make the water reach the skin, if it is visible from under your hairs. Also, he says that some portion of the inner parts of the nose, lips and eyes must be washed to ensure that all parts have been washed.

2) Assuming that you cannot wash your face upwards even in the previously mentionned cases, if the intent was not to wash upwards but to wash downwards and, by attempting to do so, one also makes a little upward movement, is the wudhu void ? For example you want to  wash your face from the hairline to the chin and, when reaching for your hairline, you make contact with the middle of your forehead and then add a little upward movement. That is because it is very difficult to reach straight for the hairline, without making contact with any lower part of the forehead.

I wonder if the intent (niyyat) plays a role here. If your intent is that the upward movement is not part of wudhu , then will the wudhu be void ? Similarly, if you make a upward movement by mistake or in order to make a downward one, will the wudhu be void although you did not consider the upward movement as a part of the wudhu ?

Please, watch this video : 

 

In this video, the sheikh is saying that you CAN wash upwards if you intent is that it is NOT part of the wudhu. He said he follows Ay. Sistani.

In this other video however (watch from 3:26), the sheikh is not saying that washing upwards is permitted if you do not consider it as a part of the wudhu. I do not know if he is following Sayyed Sistani however.

I am really confused ! Please, answer according to the opinion of Syed Sistani.

Edited April 7, 2016 by kashif.h

[realizm]

 

This is getting too complicated...

[kashif.h]

9 minutes ago, realizm said:

 

This is getting too complicated...

lol I totally agree with you. But I am just asking for the sake of knowing, I don't really have problems doing wudhu. If I have a doubt, I just wash my face enough before the niyyat of wudhu (the first pouring of water) and then do wudhu. It is just that we see different people doing (a little) different wudhus !

But it is true that I am an "obsessed" person sometimes haha.