Why an atheist doesn't believe on modern day miracle ???

[Kunz]

Salam guys !!! 

Can anyone tell me the real definition of miracle and why atheist doesn't believe on it? One of my classmate is an atheist who says that the universe is based on laws of science which can't be broken and he says that magic is nothing there is always a science behind it but miracle is not a magic and there is no science behind it but still they argue ?

[S.M.H.A.]

"Known" Universe is based on what Science? We know of laws governing our environment at Macro and Micro level-What is out their, what laws govern  the interactions Billions of Galaxies  is a Theory/speculation. Just for  starters-Look up Black holes- and see if all the laws that apply here on earth are applicable there...

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The Best Miracles Are Those Which Best Resemble the Most Advanced Arts of the Time.

A miracle, as explained above, is an occurrence that breaks the laws of nature and which other human beings cannot imitate when a prophet-claimant performs it to demonstrate the truthfulness of his claim. What is beyond doubt is that a miracle can be recognized as such only by specialists in the art the miracle resembles. This is The Inimitability of the Qur'an 43 because the specialist is necessarily the most knowledgeable about the peculiarities of his art or craft, and possesses the most adequate grasp of its characteristics. Hence, he can distinguish between what human beings can do and what they cannot. Consequently, the specialists are the ones who more readily believe the miracle. The layman, in contrast, has a wider scope for doubt as long as he is ignorant about the laws of that art, and as long as there is a likelihood that the pretender had made use of laws that are known only to the specialists in that particular field. He would thus be slow to concede its veracity. It is for this reason that divine wisdom has decided that each prophet should perform the kind of miracles that best resemble the known arts of his age, in which there are many specialists among his contemporaries, so that the miracle would be quickly believed and firmly established as evidence [for his claim].

Therefore, it was a divine wisdom that Moses (peace be upon him) should be given the [magical] staff and the [miracle-performing] white hand, for magic was widespread in his age and there were numerous magicians. For that reason, it was the magicians who most readily accepted his miracles as evidence of his veracity when they saw the staff turn into a serpent and "swallow that which they did falsely show," and then [saw it] returned to its original state.2 The magicians saw this and realized that it was beyond the power of their magic, and therefore, they believed that it was a divine miracle. Thus, they declared their faith in the audience of the pharaoh [in which the incident occurred], not caring about the pharaoh's wrath and threats. Greek medicine was widespread in the time of Jesus (peace be upon him), and the physicians of his time had accomplished wonders. Medical sciences were well established in Syria and Palestine, because these two countries were Roman colonies. Thus, when God sent His prophet Jesus to these two regions, He decided in His wisdom that the proof of Jesus should resemble the art of medicine. Hence, among the miracles worked by Jesus were the raising of the dead and the healing of the born-blind and the lepers. This was because the people in his day knew that such acts were beyond human power and were not based on medicine, and therefore must have originated from beyond the world of natural science. As for the Arabs, they were distinguished in the art of literary style and were celebrated for the eloquence of their language. They had reached the pinnacle of literary art, to the extent that they used to hold assemblies and gatherings to compete in poetry and oration. A person [competing at these gatherings] was rated by the literary excellence of what he said. Their love for poetry was so great that they selected the seven odes, wrote them with gold water on papyrus, and hung them on the walls of the Ka'ba. Thus, it became the practice to call a person's best poem "his gilded poem."3

Among the Arabs, both men and women were interested in literature. Al-Nabigha al-Dhabyani was the first judge [at the contests for] poets. He used to attend the fair of cUkaz during its season, where a red dome of animal hide would be pitched for him. The poets used to come to him to submit their compositions for his opinion.4 It was for this reason that the wisdom of God required that the Prophet of Islam should be endowed with the miracle of the Qur'an's clarity of expression and eloquence.

Thus, the Arabs realized that this was the speech of God, and that in eloquence it is beyond human power. This was acknowledged by all Arabs who were not obstinate.

This is indicated by a narrative on the authority of Ibn al-Sukayt. He asked [the eighth Imam] Abu al-Hasan al-Rida (peace be upon him): 44

Why did God send Moses (peace be upon him) with the [miraculous] staff, white hands, and the power of magic, [whereas] he sent Jesus with the power of healing and Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) with the [power of] speech and oration? The Imam Abu al-Hasan replied: This is because when God sent Moses (peace be upon him), what prevailed among the people of his time was magic. Thus, he brought them from God something that no one among them could perform, and which rendered their magic null and void; and with that He established the proof for them. And God sent Jesus (peace be upon him) at a time when chronic illnesses had appeared and people needed the medical sciences. Jesus brought them from God something the like of which they did not have, and by means of which he raised them from the dead, and healed the blind and the lepers, with God's leave. Thus, he established the proof for them. And God sent Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) at a time when the art of oration and poetry was prevalent among the people of his time. Thus, he brought them from God his exhortations and his wisdom, which rendered speeches null and void, and he established his proof for them.5

Page 44

The Prolegomena To The Qur'an

by Ayatollah al-Sayyid Abu al-Qasim al-Khu'l

https://althaqalayn.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/al-bayan-ayatullah-khui.pdf

[Enlightened Follower]

4 hours ago, Kunz said:

Salam guys !!! 

Can anyone tell me the real definition of miracle and why atheist doesn't believe on it? One of my classmate is an atheist who says that the universe is based on laws of science which can't be broken and he says that magic is nothing there is always a science behind it but miracle is not a magic and there is no science behind it but still they argue ?

Tell him if time and space are creations God does not rely on time and space they rely on him and an absence of evidence doesn't mean a lack of evidence. 

[S.M.H.A.]

Don't take me the wrong way, Science is essential for progress and our needs- 

Quote "Universe is Based on Laws of Science"

What does this statement imply? - So, Science is the Creator? And it determines the laws?

This does not makes any sense.

Where does the Laws of Science come from? Is it a self sustaining entity? That creates its own Laws?

What is this person actually saying? Believes in a self sustaining entity- Cause that brings about effect? None can change its laws except itself?

So, science is the new religion and the great scientists are its new prophets and people just follow these prophets because they invest new theories that layman can ‘t answer to they must be the prophets and we should take their words on all they print and study them in our madrassa, once we graduate, its changes and new theories are put forward, new books for the next class/generation- always playing catch up to the latest info-so one is really not educated.

So, there is no problem in this case because we can empirically verify in lab - not true - most theories are just theories and some can’t be verified at least not right now, and still they may be overridden by others- In essence the Past generations were never given the Entire Truth- they only believed in what was varified at that time- and later changed- some belived that Universe was Static- later its believed its Dynamic- So, generation have been dying in ignorance of the True Facts- But we have no issue taking something that just proves the basics/transient and we are satisfied with its validity in its entirety?

We can judge the unseen/unknown with its help? 

How does above sound, does it remind you to what they are actually questioning? So what is the difference when they accept one concept while rejecting the other ? why

[12reasons4truth.]

5 hours ago, Kunz said:

Salam guys !!! 

Can anyone tell me the real definition of miracle and why atheist doesn't believe on it? One of my classmate is an atheist who says that the universe is based on laws of science which can't be broken and he says that magic is nothing there is always a science behind it but miracle is not a magic and there is no science behind it but still they argue ?

A miracle is something that is impossible to happen but will happen with the command of Allah swt. The reason why the atheists do not believe this is because God has put a veil on their eyes and make them dumb, another miracle of God.