Who were the Murji'a?

[Skou]

السلام عليكم

I have seen the name of this early sect in several ahadith. Who were they and do they still exist today in some form?

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

1 hour ago, Skou said:

السلام عليكم

I have seen the name of this early sect in several ahadith. Who were they and do they still exist today in some form?

They are generally those who believe that iman (faith) is static, and does not increase or decrease. So, once a person becomes a mumin, no matter the crimes or sins he commits, his iman remains static at 100%. The Murji'ah were the prototype Sunnis. They believed that no matter the crimes a Sahabi committed, he was still a perfect mumin. So, they said "radiyallah 'anhu" for all Sahabah indiscriminately, despite knowing that some of them committed mass murder and rebellion.

Does any of these sound familiar?

Well, the modern Murjiah have limited that belief to the Sahabah only. To them, a Sahabi remained a mumin, no matter the crimes or sins he committed. The original Murjiah, by contrast, applied that belief to all Muslims indiscriminately. And one of the most well-known prototypical Murjiah was Abu Hanifah.

Edited March 25, 2016 by أبو فاطمة المحمدي

[sharinganMahdi]

10 minutes ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

They are generally those who believe that iman (faith) is static, and does not increase or decrease. So, once a person becomes a mumin, no matter the crimes or sins he commits, his iman remains static at 100%. The Murji'ah were the prototype Sunnis. They believed that no matter the crimes a Sahabi committed, he was still a perfect mumin. So, they said "radiyallah 'anhu" for all Sahabah indiscriminately, despite knowing that some of them committed mass murder and rebellion.

Does any of these sound familiar?

Well, the modern Murjiah have limited that belief to the Sahabah only. To them, a Sahabi remained a mumin, no matter the crimes or sins he committed. The original Murjiah, by contrast, applied that belief to all Muslims indiscriminately. And one of the most well-known prototypical Murjiah was Abu Hanifah.

And then they get upset and accuse shias of calling their imams (as) infalliable , where as they have done the exact same thing but instead of choosing the real masoomeen (as) , they labelled ordinary bums and losers with that title , maybe its because they too believe that if they existed at the time of the prophet and glanced at his eminence just once they would become his so called masoom sahaba

[Don'tMakeAس]

Also, this term has been used by Salafi groups and other such deviant sects and organizations (including Da'esh) as a label for all Muslims who do not support their takfiri agenda.

According to their ideologies, any Muslim who doesn't declare takfir on other Muslims is one of the Murji'yyah. The term is considered to be extremely derogatory by them.

We can take the Murji'yyah to be on the opposite extreme of Sunni spectrum as compared to the Salafiyyah.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Patience101

[Abu-Jafar Herz]

The Murjiah and Jabariya make up those who were the Shia of Uthman, I.E. the proto Sunnis.

[Skou]

Thank you for all your responses.

@أبو فاطمة المحمدي

This is what I sort of expected. Are the ahadith speaking about the Murji'a upon them such as for in legal rulings?

I love this hadith:

أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : بادروا أحداثكم بالحديث قبل أن تسبقكم إليهم المرجئة 

[Hameedeh]

^ Translation, please? Not sure what the words أحداثكم and تسبقكم mean.

[Skou]

1 hour ago, hameedeh said:

^ Translation, please? Not sure what the words أحداثكم and تسبقكم mean.

Imam Jafar al-Sadiq ع said, "Hasten your children upon the hadith before the Murji'a get to them."

[mesbah]

W Salam

The root is irja' meaning: to postpone.

There are two types of murji'a, political and theological. 

Early murji'a was a kind of political deviation from Shia, they believed that Imam Ali (a) had been better than the first three caliphs, yet Allah "postponed" his khilafa due to some reasons; this way they deemed the khilafa of the first three caliphs as legitimate; whereas, general Shia would reject their khilafa completely. 

Later murjia was theological. Upon the argument in Muslim community over the state of sinners, some like khawarij believed a sinner is kafir, murji'a believed we should "postpone" any judgment about their ultimate state until the day of judgment. And Shia believed in the difference between titles like, kafir, fasiq, munafiq, mumin, muslim, in Shia tradition all of these have been distinguished from on another.

Edited March 26, 2016 by mesbah

[Don'tMakeAس]

13 hours ago, mesbah said:

W Salam

The root is irja' meaning: to postpone.

There are two types of murji'a, political and theological. 

Early murji'a was a kind of political deviation from Shia, they believed that Imam Ali (a) had been better than the first three caliphs, yet Allah "postponed" his khilafa due to some reasons; this way they deemed the khilafa of the first three caliphs as legitimate; whereas, general Shia would reject their khilafa completely. 

Later murjia was theological. Upon the argument in Muslim community over the state of sinners, some like khawarij believed a sinner is kafir, murji'a believed we should "postpone" any judgment about their ultimate state until the day of judgment. And Shia believed in the difference between titles like, kafir, fasiq, munafiq, mumin, muslim, in Shia tradition all of these have been distinguished from on another.

A clarification- can one believe that he does not possess the right to call others kuffar, or would that make him of the Murji'yyah?

[mesbah]

2 hours ago, Patience101 said:

A clarification- can one believe that he does not possess the right to call others kuffar, or would that make him of the Murji'yyah?

there are different cases:

1- possessing the "right" to "declare" kufr on others

2- possessing enough religious understanding to distinguish between kafir and Muslim

if you don't have the latter, it shows you don't know what Islam is, and you are one of the Murji'iyya.

but lacking the former is acceptable. because determining the conditions of apostasy is limited solely to a just jurist, (and it has clear, objective signs, expressed with intention and ...) and it's the right of a Mujtahid and religious authority with continuous historical tradition, to pass a verdict in that regard.

takfiris generally mix fisq and nifaq with kufr. it is fallacy from their part.

Edited March 26, 2016 by mesbah

[Chaotic Muslem]

I think the main point of talking about Murj'ah and Qadryiah is how we view troubles and obstacles in our life، and how these obstacles can reshape our beliefs "aqa'ed" if we let our selves slip with philosophy and opinions.

Murj'ah tried to solve the obstacle of the insight between muslims in early days. They started with half truths half facts and incoplmete understanding of faith and what suffice for entering heaven. Then their thoughts started to widen to include so many philosophical beliefs like kufr is only ignorance etc.

Murj'ah comes from Irja which can mean postponing but can also mean erja3.. or letting something be the responsibility of someone else and clearing ones hands.

They said we cannot judge the one who made greater sin in this word and the responsibility of judgement is on Allah in the day of judgement .. although Allah sent us laws regarding the greater sins and ordered us to execute them on earth.

They also said that the deeds of person is all his own creation..which is different than qadryiah who said that deeds are all preplanned by Allah ..

loads of rubbish thoughts if you want to delve into early islamic sects ...but maybe regardful reading for those of you living in a culture that encourage innovations XD  so if you have any weird thought, you can check , very likely that someone from the past adopted it as well... it gives you a gist of the similarities of the human mind tricks and where it may turn away from the correct aqidah.