How to Breastfeed an Adult: A Full Fill

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

As-Salam 'Alaikum,

There is an aspect of Sunni fiqh which Sunnis do not talk about often. In fact, some of them flare up when anyone mentions the topic. I am referring to the issue of adult breastfeeding here. It is a "sunnah" that Sunnis really need to revive, in order to make life easier, especially in this modern age. Often, the Sunni woman finds herself in the same small space with non-Mahram men (i.e. men to whom she is not related by blood or marriage). This is haram for her. But, she can easily overcome legal constraints inherent in these situations by breastfeeding each of those non-Mahram men. This is a hadith graded "sahih" from the English translation of Sunan Ibn Majah, vol. 3, p. 113, # 1943, which legitimizes that:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, I see signs of displeasure of Abu Hudhaifah when Salim enters upon me.' The Prophet said: 'Breastfeed him.' She said: 'How can I breastfeed him when he is a grown man?' The Messenger of Allah smiled and said: 'I know that he is a grown man.' So she did that, then she came to the Prophet and said: 'I have never seen any signs of displeasure on the face of Abu Hudhaifah after that. And he was present at (the Battle of Badr)." (Sahih)

In other words, Salim - a grown man - used to enter upon Sahlah bint Suhail, the wife of Abu Hudhaifah. Abu Hudhaifah used to see them together, and he used to be displeased with their presence together. This was most likely due to jealousy. so, Sahlah went to the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) to complain about this situation. Then, the Prophet gave her the solution. She only had to breastfeed Salim. She did that, and everyone became happy ever after.

Now, in case a Sunni woman seeks to revive this "sunnah," she has to note that she must do it in the proper manner before it can have the desired effect. An improper breastfeed is legally invalid, and therefore will need to be repeated. So, if you really want to achieve the best result, you have to do it in the correct manner. And, what is this correct manner? The adult man must have a full fill during the breastfeed. This is stated in another "sahih" hadith from the same English translation of Sunan Ibn Majah, vol. 3, p. 114, # 1945:

It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Prophet entered upon her and there was a man with her. He said: "Who is this?" She said: "This is my brother." He said: "Look at whom you allow to enter upon you, because the breastfeeding (that makes a person Mahram) is that which satisfies hunger." (Sahih)

So, a few drops do not do the job at all. And, as the saying goes: whatever is worth doing at all is worth doing well.

[Abu-Jafar Herz]

Aisha narrates this, what a surprise.

[Talut]

This is not for those who use their aql but rather for the naqlheads.

[sharinganMahdi]

I just threw up.....

[Muslim2010]

Never mind the religion presented by Bukhari is based on about 90% such narrations, 

 

Edited March 23, 2016 by skamran110

[aansoogas]

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad and al-Isaba that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose ones nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sad, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

@Talut @sharinganMahdi

If we will go on to bring stuff that sounds confusing or seems to be disturbing then we will surely find such stuff everywhere like shia text saying Abu Talib used to breastfeed or people are fingered or certain private parts of certain respected ladies were snatched. So i hope this rubbish should stop right here and right before now.

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(as someone explained) coming to any sort of conclusion, we need to first understand the background and context of this incident. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his commentary of Sahih Muslim:

Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Maqal ¦Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Quran Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers. (Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be ones own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared) (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and an adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose ones nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sad, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

This leaves us with the question whether is it allowed for an adult to drink breast-milk, and what implications would that hold?

It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst the majority of the Muslim jurists (fuqaha) that suckling is not permitted after two (or 2 and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said: suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.(Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455) The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said: Suckling (radhaa) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (m: meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning. (Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

Due to the above narrations, all four Sunni schools of Islamic law are in agreement that suckling and breastfeeding will only be considered (i.e. in effecting the rules of marriage and Hijab) if it takes place in the period designated for it, and it is of no significance after that period.

Thus, scholars mention that the permission given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Sahla to give her milk to Salim was a special dispensation and an isolated case, and it cannot be generalized. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states that all of the Prophets wives with the exception of Aisha (Allah be pleased with them all) considered this to be a special dispensation, and this is the view taken by the majority of early (salaf) and late (khalaf) scholars. They considered the Hadith to be specific with Salim and Sahla, and are of the opinion that it is not permitted for an adult to drink breast-milk. If an adult did drink breast-milk, it will be of no consequence with regards to marriage and the rules of Hijab. (See: al-Mufhim, 4/186-187 & Ila al-Sunan, 11/119)

Moreover, Umm Salama, the wife of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to say: All the wives of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) rejected the idea that one can come to them (without observing the rules of Hijab) with this type of breastfeeding (i.e. the suckling of an adult), hence they said to Aisha (Allah be pleased with her): By Allah, we do not consider this but a dispensation given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Salim. No one is to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.(Sahih Muslim, no: 1454)

Thus, in conclusion, it is not permitted for an adult to intentionally drink breast-milk; neither will it have any bearing on the rules of Hijab and marriage. The companion Salim (Allah be pleased with him) was given a special dispensation by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to drink the milk of Sahla, the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, due to the special circumstances of their case. However, Salim did not directly drink the milk from the breast of Sahla, rather, she would pour the milk in a utensil and he would drink from it.

And Allah knows best

[Panzerwaffe]

It would be better to narrate the story of talha wanting to marry aisha Than this 

 

Maybe the OP can enlighten us on that issue?

What was the real alliance between talha and aisha .?

 

[Enlightened Follower]

3 hours ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, I see signs of displeasure of Abu Hudhaifah when Salim enters upon me.' The Prophet said: 'Breastfeed him.'

Salam brother,

I believe I have found a website explaining away the misconception behind this hadith:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/there-is-no-adult-breastfeeding-in.html

 

Edited March 23, 2016 by Enlightened Follower

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

2 hours ago, aansoogas said:

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad and al-Isaba that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose ones nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sad, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337

That narration from al-Tabaqat is a fabrication, or at least very weak. There is al-Waqidi in its sanad, and he is da'if, in fact matruk (rejected) according to Imam Muslim and others. There are those who have accused him of telling lies, also. You cannot possibly use a narration like that to interpret a "sahih" report. Besides, the Arabic term used in the hadith (translated as "breastfeed" above) literally means to suck breast-milk directly from the breast. The Salafi cleric, Shaykh Muhammad 'Awdah al-Salman confirms this:

الرضاع : لغة : بفتح الراء وكسرهًا وإثبات التاء اسم لمص الثدي وشرب لبنه .

If you are going to give a secondary meaning to that word, you surely need more than the da'if - perhaps fabricated - report of al-Waqidi.

Meanwhile, it seems that you are not bothered at all by the possibility of a stranger drinking the breast-milk of another man's wife. That looks strange, if you asked me.

Edited March 23, 2016 by أبو فاطمة المحمدي

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

1 hour ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Salam brother,

I believe I have found a website explaining away the misconception behind this hadith:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/there-is-no-adult-breastfeeding-in.html

There is no misconception here. We all know the meaning of the word "breastfeed." Also, the term used in the Arabic of the hadith literally means to suck breast-milk directly from the breast.

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

1 hour ago, Panzerwaffe said:

It would be better to narrate the story of talha wanting to marry aisha Than this 

Maybe the OP can enlighten us on that issue?

What was the real alliance between talha and aisha .?

If you can provide a reliable Shi'i report stating what you claim, then we can discuss it. I generally do not discuss wild rumours.

[aansoogas]

14 minutes ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

That narration from al-Tabaqat is a fabrication, or at least very weak. There is al-Waqidi in its sanad, and he is da'if, in fact matruk (rejected) according to Imam Muslim and others. There are those who have accused him of telling lies, also. You cannot possibly use a narration like that to interpret a "sahih" report. Besides, the Arabic term used in the hadith (translated as "breastfeed" above) literally means to suck breast-milk directly from the breast. The Salafi cleric, Shaykh Muhammad 'Awdah al-Salman confirms this:

الرضاع : لغة : بفتح الراء وكسرهًا وإثبات التاء اسم لمص الثدي وشرب لبنه .

If you are going to give a secondary meaning to that word, you surely need more than the da'if - perhaps fabricated - report of al-Waqidi.

Meanwhile, it seems that you are not bothered at all by the possibility of a stranger drinking the breast-milk of another man's wife. That looks strange, if you asked me.

a weak narrator does not mean that his narrations become fabricated... but in fact weakens the narrations. Waqidi has earned different opinions and he is generally considered weak.... yet a weak narration can be used to 'fill in the blanks' if it helps. Because if you read other ahadith and take the whole scenario positively then you would agree that this is the only possibility left. Because the thing that you are suggesting and promoting and which is not the opinion of ahlus Sunnah is otherwise cannot possibly happen because of the clear hurmat which everybody knows and understands.

Meaning of the Arabic word أَرْضِعِيهِ:

The Hadith actually uses the word أَرْضِعِيهِ to show what the Prophet –may Allah bless him- asked Sahla to do. The word is a derivative of رضاع (Radhha) and it does not basically meaning suckling i.e. drinking from the breasts.

In Arabic it is perfectly valid to say, as it appears in classical Arabic lexicographic work Tajul ‘Uroos (1/7848) and is often used otherwise too;

رضع (من) ثدي أمه

“He did Raddha (from the) breasts of his mother.”

So the basic, original meaning of Raddha cannot be “suckling” but it has to be “feeding.” Had it been “suckling” there was no need to add “from the breasts …” The real meaning is “feeding” and the context or explicit information alone can clarify if it means, “suckling” i.e. “feeding from the breasts” or it was some other way.

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

4 minutes ago, aansoogas said:

Meaning of the Arabic word أَرْضِعِيهِ:

The Hadith actually uses the word أَرْضِعِيهِ to show what the Prophet –may Allah bless him- asked Sahla to do. The word is a derivative of رضاع (Radhha) and it does not basically meaning suckling i.e. drinking from the breasts.

In Arabic it is perfectly valid to say, as it appears in classical Arabic lexicographic work Tajul ‘Uroos (1/7848) and is often used otherwise too;

رضع (من) ثدي أمه

“He did Raddha (from the) breasts of his mother.”

So the basic, original meaning of Raddha cannot be “suckling” but it has to be “feeding.” Had it been “suckling” there was no need to add “from the breasts …” The real meaning is “feeding” and the context or explicit information alone can clarify if it means, “suckling” i.e. “feeding from the breasts” or it was some other way.

What does that word mean in the following Qur'anic verses:

وَالْوَالِدَاتُ يُرْضِعْنَ أَوْلَادَهُنَّ حَوْلَيْنِ كَامِلَيْنِ لِمَنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُتِمَّ الرَّضَاعَةَ

Mothers should breastfeed their children two full years, provided they want to complete the nursing. (2:233)

وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ أُمِّ مُوسَىٰ أَنْ أَرْضِعِيهِ فَإِذَا خِفْتِ عَلَيْهِ فَأَلْقِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ وَلَا تَخَافِي وَلَا تَحْزَنِي إِنَّا رَادُّوهُ إِلَيْكِ وَجَاعِلُوهُ مِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ

We inspired Moses' mother saying, "Breastfeed your son. When you become afraid for his life, throw him into the sea. Do not be afraid or grieved for We shall return him to you and make him a Messenger." (28:7)

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

13 minutes ago, aansoogas said:

yet a weak narration can be used to 'fill in the blanks' if it helps.

Would you mind citing examples from the Sunni hadith masters?

Besides, as I mentioned earlier, al-Waqidi is matruk (rejected), and accused of telling lies. This means that his ahadith are not just weak, but very weak or even fabrications, and they cannot be used for anything.

[aansoogas]

There is a whole fatawa session going on somewhere on the internet رضاع الطفل من امرأة من غير أمه بطريقة غير مباشرة

http://www.noor.life/play-fatawa-3848.html

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

54 minutes ago, aansoogas said:

There is a whole fatawa session going on somewhere on the internet رضاع الطفل من امرأة من غير أمه بطريقة غير مباشرة

http://www.noor.life/play-fatawa-3848.html

Is that your interpretation of the two verses I quoted?

Anyway, Shaykh al-Jaziri, the well-known Sunni jurist who wrote "Islamic Jurisprudence According to the Four Sunni Schools", in the same book, also defines the literal meaning of the word as "to suck the breast":

الرضاع - بفتح الراء وكسرها - ويقال : رضاعة - بفتح الراء وكسرها - أيضا معناه في اللغة أنه اسم لمص الثدي .

And, talking of fatwas, let me remind you of this weird submission of yours:

1 hour ago, aansoogas said:

In Arabic it is perfectly valid to say, as it appears in classical Arabic lexicographic work Tajul ‘Uroos (1/7848) and is often used otherwise too;

رضع (من) ثدي أمه

“He did Raddha (from the) breasts of his mother.”

So the basic, original meaning of Raddha cannot be “suckling” but it has to be “feeding.” Had it been “suckling” there was no need to add “from the breasts …”

Well, this Salafi fatwa has used both words together, and they refer to breastfeeding in its literal sense, as explained above:

للزوج أن يستمتع بزوجته بما يشاء ، ولم يحرم عليه إلا الإيلاج في الدبر ، والجماع في الحيض والنفاس ، وما عدا ذلك فله أن يستمتع بزوجته بما يشاء كالتقبيل والمس والنظر وغير ذلك .
وحتى لو رضع من ثديها ، فهو داخل في الاستمتاع المباح ، ولا يقال بتأثير اللبن عليه ؛ لأن رضاع الكبير غير مؤثر في التحريم ، وإنما الرضاع المؤثر هو ما كان في الحولين .

Also, this is another fatwa cited on the same Salafi forum:

Yet this is was Imam Al-Albani says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=115gFzpaVx0

beginning form min: 3:40

1. He says the Hukm was not PARTICULLARY for Salim it is for every Muslim. There is no DALIL he says to restrict it to Salim r.a. This is also the opinion of Ibn Taymiyyah r.h. I thought this was only Aishas r.a. opinion?!

2. He says his personal opinion is that an adult can be brestfeed by a nonmahram woman.

3. He even says that there is no objection to suckle DIRECTLY from the nipples of the breast for this isn't shahwati (sexual)

How it isn't sexual????????? besides how can a grown man suck DIRECTLY from the nipples of a non mahram????

Did I get it right?

Then, this is added:

CORRECTION! wrong video!

here the correct reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xvqu...eature=related

beginning form min: 4:50

very disturbing Insha Allah I got it wrong our my mafhoum is wrong.

Note this submission also:

ALSO before Imam Al ALbani r.h. you can see shaikh huweini who completely refutes what brother Abdulwahhab and others said to me. he says the matn is the proof that she gave him her breast not in a cup (hadith with a cup are ALL weak).

The poster reiterates again:

keep in mind imam alalbani r.h (as far as I understood) said there is no sexual desire ANYWAY by sucking at the tits of a non mahram GROWN woman thus its absolutely fine!

This is very disturbing to me and where shall I clarify this if not with muslims brothers who have knowledge?

Then, in case you are unable to watch the video, a rough translated narration (apparently interpolated with the translator's exclamations) is provided in that thread:

5:15

he basically says:"A woman i.e. the Sahabiyah (apparenly) behind her Hijaab, passing a cup of her breastmilk to Salim (RA), if this was the case, i.e. if this is what she understand (as some people today understand and try to claim she gave him mild in a cup!) WHY WAS SHE SHOCKED when Rasulullah (SAWS) said:"BREAST FEED HIM"! She definately understood that she shall literally give him (Salim) her breast.

For according to:

-The arabic language
-according to the shari3a
-and customs

irdha3 means LITERALLY to breast feed someone, it can NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD as drinking breast feed in a cup etc. NEVER!

Then the shaikh said that the sahabiyyah gave the GROWN MAN SALIM who is BEARDED five times her breast (5 RADH3AT)!

Now this makes all no sense at all wallahu a3lam. For Abu Hudhayfa her husband was jeleous for the boy who grown up in her house and who was not their son i.e. Salim was a GROWN man now. The Sahabiya explains her problem to the Prophet (SAWS), and he says BREAST FEED HIM. She gets shocked because ridha3 means LITERALLY breast feeding, nothing else. All Ahadith about him drinking from a cup are not just not authentic, they are actually against the arabic, shar3i and 3urfi meaning of "ridha3" for drinking from a cup is not considered ridha3 as simple as that. Now this is so confusing and makes no sense, for Abu Hudhaifa is obviously jeleous in the first place, for a grown, BEARDED man his entering his house on daily basis, so how would he accept this grown man being BREAST FEEDED (LITERALLY) by his wife??????!!!!!!!!!

5:57:

Shaikh said it is not an exception for Salim, breas feeding an ADULT is for all muslims (the hukm) and it is done DIRECLY, i.e. literally sucking the breast of a woman, and this is not SEXUAL (!!!) for that part of the breast is darkish ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xvqu...eature=related

It is my guess that you have learnt one or two things from the fatwas of al-Albani and al-Huwayni.

Meanwhile, I did raise an issue which you, again, ignore. Is the breast-milk of a man's wife halal to another man?

Edited March 23, 2016 by أبو فاطمة المحمدي

[Enlightened Follower]

1 hour ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

Is that your interpretation of the two verses I quoted?

Salam brother,

I am a Shia but I don't understand the purpose of relentlessly assaulting Sunni beliefs, additionally, these types of things change from culture to culture, so even if the Prophet(SAWS) made this statement why is it so shocking?

Also I have found a website providing alternative health treatments, i.e. essential oils, meditation and relaxation, and natural foods commenting on this issue:

Adult Nursing Relationships without Sexual Component

Some people have a psychological need to nurture, give sustenance to, or receive comfort and stress relief from entering into an adult nursing relationship, and for these people, an adult nursing relationship might develop without any sexual component. That is to say, the nursing aspect of the relationship is either separate from or not a part of the relationship with the other person. Breastfeeding and adult nursing are not always sexual activities or even foreplay to sexual activities for many adult nursing relationships.

 

Link/source: http://alternativehealthlifestyle.com/?p=126

[Moh89]

^ I agree with the above

 

Why do people feel the need to make the effort to insult others.

 

Look at yourself and all the mistakes you make and once you are infallible then you can judge and insult others, although if you do, it clearly shows you aren't actually infallible.

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

5 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Salam brother,

I am a Shia but I don't understand the purpose of relentlessly assaulting Sunni beliefs, additionally, these types of things change from culture to culture, so even if the Prophet(SAWS) made this statement why is it so shocking?

Wa 'alaikum salam,

Akhi, could you please point out exactly where I have assaulted Sunni beliefs in this thread? I have merely quoted their authentic ahadith along with commentaries of their scholars, and I have encouraged them to revive a "sunnah" which has died amongst them. How is that an "assault"?

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Also I have found a website providing alternative health treatments, i.e. essential oils, meditation and relaxation, and natural foods commenting on this issue:

Adult Nursing Relationships without Sexual Component

Some people have a psychological need to nurture, give sustenance to, or receive comfort and stress relief from entering into an adult nursing relationship, and for these people, an adult nursing relationship might develop without any sexual component. That is to say, the nursing aspect of the relationship is either separate from or not a part of the relationship with the other person. Breastfeeding and adult nursing are not always sexual activities or even foreplay to sexual activities for many adult nursing relationships.

Link/source: http://alternativehealthlifestyle.com/?p=126

So, do you advocate that married Shi'i women should be breastfeeding adults other than their husbands too? Are you saying that the breast milk of married Shi'i women are halal for all men?

3 hours ago, Moh89 said:

Why do people feel the need to make the effort to insult others.

Brother, please point out the insult in the thread and I will insha Allah apologize for it, if it really is an insult.

Edited March 24, 2016 by أبو فاطمة المحمدي

[Muslim2010]

5 hours ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

So, do you advocate that married Shi'i women should be breastfeeding adults other than their husbands too? Are you saying that the breast milk of married Shi'i women are halal for all men?

The milk of a wife cannot be halal to any man (other than husband).. If this milk is considered permissible then the Nikah / marriage may  certainly be destroyed.

Also based on the application of Islamic laws regarding the use of sperms for test tube baby from any man other than husband is also not permitted.  This is the opinion given in consideration of islamic rules and laws.

https://islamqa.info/en/83799

Then it is sufficient evidence to derive that the milk of woman cannot be permissible to any man other than his husband.

Wassalam

 

Edited March 24, 2016 by skamran110

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

23 minutes ago, skamran110 said:

The milk of a wife cannot be halal to any man (other than husband)..

Bro @aansoogas apparently disagrees with you. He clearly accepts that the breast milk of Sunni wives are halal for all men.

[aansoogas]

2 hours ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

Bro @aansoogas apparently disagrees with you. He clearly accepts that the breast milk of Sunni wives are halal for all men.

actually, what i clearly accept is that all the women who follow Sunnah of Prophet (saw) including women of Ahlul Bayt (ra) are Sunni. So would you just stop insulting them and keep away from them your filth?

19 hours ago, aansoogas said:

Thus, in conclusion, it is not permitted for an adult to intentionally drink breast-milk; neither will it have any bearing on the rules of Hijab and marriage. The companion Salim (Allah be pleased with him) was given a special dispensation by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to drink the milk of Sahla, the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, due to the special circumstances of their case. However, Salim did not directly drink the milk from the breast of Sahla, rather, she would pour the milk in a utensil and he would drink from it.

And Allah knows best

 

[Muslim2010]

4 hours ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

Bro @aansoogas apparently disagrees with you. He clearly accepts that the breast milk of Sunni wives are halal for all men.

The sunni wives milk may be halal for all men, i do not have objection on ansoogas interpretation for sunnis.  if this is acceptable for them then the use of sperms for test tube baby from any man other than husband is also permitted.  Why do they have any objection on it?

But the use of sperms from any man other than husband is not permitted by the Islamic Fiqh Council of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and by the Islamic Fiqh Council of the Muslim World League. The conditions not permitted include:

Where fertilization occurs between the sperm of a man other than the husband and the wife’s egg, then the embryo is implanted in the wife’s uterus.

 Where fertilization occurs outside the womb between the sperm and egg of strangers, then the embryo is implanted in the wife’s uterus.

There is no relaxation in the rules as interpreted by the above mentioned OIC nor there is any special condition.

,But certainly the milk of Shia wife is not halal for the any man (other than his husband) because they both are bind together through the pure relation of nikah (not nikah tun jehad rather.).

Edited March 24, 2016 by skamran110

[أبو فاطمة المحمدي]

1 hour ago, aansoogas said:

actually, what i clearly accept is that all the women who follow Sunnah of Prophet (saw) including women of Ahlul Bayt (ra) are Sunni. So would you just stop insulting them and keep away from them your filth?

Your entire case is very weak, brother:

1. Your attempt to re-define the word "breastfeed" has woefully failed.

2. Your attempt to use the fabricated report of al-Waqidi has woefully failed.

Now, your new argument is that it was a special case for Salim. But, the second hadith which I quoted in the OP rejects that:

It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Prophet entered upon her and there was a man with her. He said: "Who is this?" She said: "This is my brother." He said: "Look at whom you allow to enter upon you, because the breastfeeding (that makes a person Mahram) is that which satisfies hunger." (Sahih)

Why did the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) mention this ruling to Umm al-Muminin 'Aishah when he found a man with her?

Secondly, where is it stated in any hadith that the issue was a special case for Salim? Could you show us the statement of the Prophet where he has said that?

And, do not think I have quoted all the ahadith I have on this topic yet.

Edited March 24, 2016 by أبو فاطمة المحمدي

[DigitalUmmah]

what if a woman isn't lactating? just imitate the act or......?

 

[aansoogas]

1 hour ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

And, do not think I have quoted all the ahadith I have on this topic yet.

i am sure that you have a lot of ahadith on all such topics.