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                                                                                   Things that stop me from being a shia

1. The shia belief that the sahabi apostasized after the death of the prophet saw except 4 a few

2. shias saying ya ali and ya husain

3. Taqiyyah being 9 out of 10 of shiism

4. The things written in shias books which many shias r ignorant about.

Rn i actually want to learn, 

Im not trolling. Can someone like pls 

tell me why shias believe those things and say ya ali and ya hussain when the quran says to only call upon Allah

Some of u may says that i cant handle the truth. Well islam is the truth 

And i handled the fact that islam is the truth. 

Some of u may talk [Edited Out] abt me but rly 

Allahs watching, 

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Salam Alaykum, brother

 

I see that you do have some questions about shi'sm, and I appreciate that you have come forward to put these questions rather than holding hatred.

Firstly, we do believe that many sahaba had turned their back on the Prophet's (PBUH) teachings.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had already named a representative, Imam Ali (AS). But despite that, some of the sahaba went and gathered in the saqifa bani sa'dah, which was kinda like Medina's mafia.

They elected their own leader and spread confusion among the muslims while Imam Ali (AS) was busy with Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) funeral, which consisted of between 9 and fourteen people.

When Imam Ali (AS) refused to pay allegiance to Abu Bakr, they burned the house and Fatima Zahra (SA) was injured during this attack, and this lead to her demise.

When Imam Ali (AS) and Sayyeda Fatima (SA) used to go to people who were witnesses of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) making Ali (AS) his representative, they refused to accept it and acted as if they didn't know

This is how many of the sahaba betrayed Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

 

Secondly, Shi'as believe that Allah (SWT) should be approached through a wasila, just like he used to send the wahi to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), with Jibra'eel as the wasila.

And how Jacob (AS) got his eyesight through the shirt of Joseph (AS)

So we believe that the correct way to approach Allah, is through His specially appointed representatives, ie- The Prophets and the Imams

 

Next, Shi'ism is not mostly abut Taqaiyya, Taqaiyya is only allowed in a case where if only death besieges you if you reveal your identity as a Shi'a.

It is a common misconception that Shi'as believe it to be wajis or highly mustahab to perform taqaiyya.

It is actually just a way to save oneself from danger

 

And Finally, there are many Shi'a who haven't even touched a single book, there are the blind followers. There are the ones who go through the fundamentals of theology, jurisprudence, history, etc, and there are the ones who devote their lives to finding knowledge

 

These categories of people are found in every single sect of islam, but most of the shia are aware of what are in the Shi'a books and also what are in the Sunni books

 

I hope you found this useful

Let me know if you have any further questions

Regards.

 

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41 minutes ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

the sahabi apostasized after the death of the prophet saw except 4 a few

A blatant lie. Only Nawasib make this accusation against the Shi'ah. The fact that you did not know this blows your cover.

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Things that stop me from being Sunni:

1. Praying like Sumerians 

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2. Believing that age should dictate who is Khalifa after the prophet صل الله عليه واله وسلم

3. Believing that the Prophet صل الله عليه واله وسلم "'Abasa wa tawalla" (عبس وتولى)

4. Believing that "Um Al-Mo'imineen" to mean something other than they cannot marry after the prophet صل الله عليه واله وسلم

I could go on but there is no point. I'll never be Sunni.

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1. Sadiq Ali replied to this question

2. Saying ya Ali/ ya Hussain isn't really calling directly to them, basically wasilah is calling to them (as) through Allah swt.

005:035

"O ye who believe! Do your duty to God, seek the means of approach (Arabic: wasilata) to Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that you may prosper"

3. Taqiyya isn't even a problem and shouldn't be considered anything bad, it's simply to save the person from danger.

4. The same goes to Sunnis, some Shi'ites (small minority) simply write things that don't even make sense. Critics try to find that one small bit of what they deem as "wrong" while they're just criticising the writer of the book and his 0.0001% minority that follows him.

" Im not trolling." I'm sorry if my question from yesterday bothered you, I was actually confused.

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10 hours ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

1. The shia belief that the sahabi apostasized after the death of the prophet saw except 4 a few

2. shias saying ya ali and ya husain

3. Taqiyyah being 9 out of 10 of shiism

4. The things written in shias books which many shias r ignorant about.

1. Allah (swt) warns the Prophet (sawa) in the Qur'an about some of his companions being hypocrites and Allah (swt) says that He knows who they are, but the Prophet (sawa) does not. By doing a non-bias study of the biographies of certain individuals, it is easy to see that some of these companions were not sincere and did not honour the Sunnah.

2. This is no different from what Sunnis say in their prayers: 'assalamu alayka ayyuhan nabiyyo wa rahmatullahi wa barakthu.' This is no different that just saying 'ya Muhammad.' And doing this does not commit shirk.

3. As it has been said before, taqiyya can only be used if someone's life is in danger, you can't do it when you feel like doing it.

4. Again as mentioned before, the same can be applied to Sunnis. You have some Shi'a who are well read and have excellent knowledge and then others not so. 

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11 hours ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

                                                                                   Things that stop me from being a shia

1. The shia belief that the sahabi apostasized after the death of the prophet saw except 4 a few

2. shias saying ya ali and ya husain

3. Taqiyyah being 9 out of 10 of shiism

4. The things written in shias books which many shias r ignorant about.

Rn i actually want to learn, 

Im not trolling. Can someone like pls 

tell me why shias believe those things and say ya ali and ya hussain when the quran says to only call upon Allah

Some of u may says that i cant handle the truth. Well islam is the truth 

And i handled the fact that islam is the truth. 

Some of u may talk [Edited Out] abt me but rly 

Allahs watching, 

 

FYI: What issues you have here? [ Fundamentals of the Religion? ]

[A]

Fundamentals of Islam

Usool -ad-Deen (Roots of Religion)

Tawheed - (Oneness of God) - The most fundamental aspect of all beliefs revolves around the total acceptance of the Absolute and Perfect Creator. Belief in the Originator of all causes and effects with no effect on Him and that He is One, Everliving, Beneficent and Merciful. He has neither a colleague nor a partner. He begets not, nor is He begotten, and there is none like Him. The Almighty God is Unique and is Absolute in the Absolute sense. No entity in His Universe can ever comprehend His true state and none should even bother to try for it will lead to futility and insanity. Yet there is no doubt in any sane mind that His existence precedes all and His presence is Absolutely ubiquitous (everpresent). For anyone to say that God does not exist is a liar and a fool because such a person can NEVER disprove His existence, whether scientifically or philosophically, or for that matter in any method known. Because He is Absolute and none is like Him, no one in the relative world can ever physically define Him, and thus all idol worshippers and those who ascribe a shape or a body to Him are wrong. Ascribing a shape to the One who is beyond our limited perceptions would be tantamount to lying and giving a false appearance and a false representation. In addition, to believe that one can see God in the physical sense of sitting on a throne like some mythical being is certainly an untrue statement and should never be accepted. The Almighty Creator brings to existence everything with utmost Perfection and nothing in His Universe is imperfect. Thus to state that the Creator has created imperfect things is certainly a false statement. He is the One and Only and is Absolutely independent of anything and everything that exists. Glorified be His names, the Most High! 
 

'Adl - (Justice) - Essentially part of Tawheed. Belief that God is Just. He will reward or punish any person according to his deeds and thus the notion of predestination (where all decisions are God's and not any one else's) in one's deeds does not exist. It is absolutely forbidden in Islam to believe that the Almighty, Merciful Allah planned our destiny and that the good and the bad are just His Will and there is no choice for us between them (God forbid!). Those who ascribe to such lies do so because they want to blame their own evils on Allah and claim the good for themselves! Although the attribute of Allah's Justice is not a separate entity of Allah for certainly the Almighty God can never be compartmentalized nor defined in any relative terms, it is nonetheless absolutely compulsory to believe and fully understand the importance of this attribute in Islam so as not to allow the evil suggestions of Iblees (curse of Allah be upon him and his progeny) and his companions from leading us astray.
 

Nubuwwat - (Prophethood) - Belief in the Prophets (PBUT) of God who excel all other persons for whom they are sent for. All prophets of Allah are perfect and sinless (ma'soom). Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (PBUH&HF) is the last of the prophets sent by God and the sealer of prophets for NO more are to come, EVER! The total number of prophets (PBUT) that were sent by God to mankind is 124,000 and every nation on earth was given guidance through them. In fact, all major religions today on earth can be traced to have these divinely guided teachers as their original propagators of the Truth of Allah. The best of His messengers all came from the same tree i.e. family lineage and many of them are mentioned in the Holy Qur'an which describes who they were and what their mission on earth was. It is important to note that no prophet on earth ever negated or rejected any of the other divinely ordained prophets and thus their message was always the same and one in purpose. Each established the law of the One and Only God and showed the way of life for humans to observe. From the very first creation of mankind, there was always a prophet on earth which was Prophet Adam (PBUH). This guidance from the Merciful Allah to establish His complete laws continued to the last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) who exemplified the letters of the law in his most perfect behavior. He completed and perfected the one and only True religion, Islam. With the revelation of the last Holy Book, the Qur'an, which is the most protected and perfect book of God with us, he established as part of his mission, every concievable and practical law for mankind to follow in order to attain spiritual perfection. Great prophets such as Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Dawood (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Musa (Moses), Yahya (John), and Isa (Jesus), - (Peace be upon them all) - all came from the one blessed lineage of Prophet Adam (PBUH) and ended with the last Messenger, Muhammad (PBUH&HF). It is also important to note that anyone who ascribes imperfections or mistakes to these divinely guided personalities is ascribing it directly to Allah who is certainly free from such. Acceptance of such ideas is also rejection of the message of Allah entirely. Thus with prophethood, a believer has to accept in their complete message without any reservations of possible errors or mistakes.
 

Imamat - (Guidance) - Belief in the divinely appointed leadership after the death of the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) to protect and guide mankind with the revealed Truth, the Holy Qur'an and the true practices of the Holy Prophet himself. The roles of these leaders is an integral part in the protection of all the Messengers and their divine Messages. The Almighty Allah appointed through the Holy Prophet himself, twelve Guides (Imams) to protect mankind from misrepresenting and misinterpreting the Truth. Belief in this is most important in Islam and no doubts about their positions should be allowed. They are indeed sinless (ma'soom) and perfect in the highest sense of the word. The Imams have direct knowledge from God, and their verdict is the verdict of God. After the Holy Prophet, only they can interpret and guide mankind in every aspect of life and death and all believers must acquire guidance from them or else they will certainly be lost. They do NOT bring any new laws nor do they ever innovate their own laws. They always exempliy and elucidate the practical (Sunnah) and the written (the Holy Qur'an). It is also important to note that they NEVER disagree with each other in their manners and duties nor in their representations of the Divine Laws. They are from the best and the most blessed and purified lineage of the last Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUT) and their names are as follows: (1) Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib, the cousin and son-in-law of the Holy Prophet who called him his only brother in this world and in the next, (2) Imam Hasan son of Ali, (3) Imam Husain son of Ali, (4) Imam Ali son of Husain, (5) Imam Muhammad son of Ali, (6) Imam Ja'far son of Muhammad, (7) Imam Musa son of Ja'far, (8) Imam Ali son of Musa, (9) Imam Muhammad son of Ali, (10) Imam Ali son of Muhammad, (11) Imam Hasan son of Ali, and the last and living Imam Muhammad son of Hasan, the establisher of the Truth till the end of this world (PBUT). There is no successor to the Twelfth Holy Imam Muhammad ibnul Hassan (PBUH) and he is LIVING today but is in occultation and appears only to those who are most in need and to those who are most virtuous and pious. By the Command of Allah, he will reappear to all when he will establish true justice on earth and will rule mankind compassionately with utmost perfection as is the Will of the Almighty Allah. He will abolish the evil establishments on earth and mankind will live under true guidance as should have been many centuries ago! 
 

Qiyaamat - (Resurrection) - Belief in the Day of Judgement when all human beings shall be raised from the dead and all their good and bad deeds shall be ultimately judged and recompensed accordingly. This belief is most essential WITH the belief in the One True God. The Day of Judgement will prove to all in this Universe that the Almighty Allah is the Creator of all from nothing and is the Absolute Master. His divine presence shall be most apparent on this important Day for all to witness. It is a judgement Dayfor His creatures to know themselves and their relationship to the Creator Allah. Just as pursuit for justice is inseperable in any society on earth, so is the Ultimate Day of Justice inseparable for mankind.

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Furoo-ad-Deen (Branches of Religion)

Salat (Prayers)

Saum (Fasting)

Hajj (Pilgrimage)

Zakat (Poor Rate)

Khums (Wealth Tax)

Jihad (Striving)

Amr-Bil-Ma'roof (Enjoin what is good)

Nahi-Anil-Munkar (Forbid what is wrong)

Tawalla (To love and respect the Ahl-ul-Bait and their friends)

Tabarra (To disassociate from the enemies of the Ahl-ul-Bait)

http://shia.org/

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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12 hours ago, Mohammed Sadiq Ali said:

Salam Alaykum, brother

 

I see that you do have some questions about shi'sm, and I appreciate that you have come forward to put these questions rather than holding hatred.

Firstly, we do believe that many sahaba had turned their back on the Prophet's (PBUH) teachings.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had already named a representative, Imam Ali (AS). But despite that, some of the sahaba went and gathered in the saqifa bani sa'dah, which was kinda like Medina's mafia.

They elected their own leader and spread confusion among the muslims while Imam Ali (AS) was busy with Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) funeral, which consisted of between 9 and fourteen people.

When Imam Ali (AS) refused to pay allegiance to Abu Bakr, they burned the house and Fatima Zahra (SA) was injured during this attack, and this lead to her demise.

When Imam Ali (AS) and Sayyeda Fatima (SA) used to go to people who were witnesses of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) making Ali (AS) his representative, they refused to accept it and acted as if they didn't know

This is how many of the sahaba betrayed Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

 

Secondly, Shi'as believe that Allah (SWT) should be approached through a wasila, just like he used to send the wahi to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), with Jibra'eel as the wasila.

And how Jacob (AS) got his eyesight through the shirt of Joseph (AS)

So we believe that the correct way to approach Allah, is through His specially appointed representatives, ie- The Prophets and the Imams

 

Next, Shi'ism is not mostly abut Taqaiyya, Taqaiyya is only allowed in a case where if only death besieges you if you reveal your identity as a Shi'a.

It is a common misconception that Shi'as believe it to be wajis or highly mustahab to perform taqaiyya.

It is actually just a way to save oneself from danger

 

And Finally, there are many Shi'a who haven't even touched a single book, there are the blind followers. There are the ones who go through the fundamentals of theology, jurisprudence, history, etc, and there are the ones who devote their lives to finding knowledge

 

These categories of people are found in every single sect of islam, but most of the shia are aware of what are in the Shi'a books and also what are in the Sunni books

 

I hope you found this useful

Let me know if you have any further questions

Regards.

 

Is it mandatory to approach Allah through a Wasila in order to be a Shia,or can someone refuse the doctrine of intercession,pray directly to Allah without intermediaries and still be a Shia?

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40 minutes ago, iubelum said:

Is it mandatory to approach Allah through a Wasila in order to be a Shia,or can someone refuse the doctrine of intercession,pray directly to Allah without intermediaries and still be a Shia?

Of course we pray directly to Allah. And also any power of intercession is only by the will of Allah.

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21 hours ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

A blatant lie. Only Nawasib make this accusation against the Shi'ah. The fact that you did not know this blows your cover.

I am not a nawasib kafir. Many shias ive spoken this make this claim 

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8 hours ago, notme said:

Of course we pray directly to Allah. And also any power of intercession is only by the will of Allah.

Many thanks;but my question was:can someone REFUSE to believe in the concept of intercession and still be a Shia?

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1 hour ago, iubelum said:

Many thanks;but my question was:can someone REFUSE to believe in the concept of intercession and still be a Shia?

I know you don't have to ask for intercession, but I don't know if you have to believe it is possible. We must believe in Prophethood and Imamate. Is belief in intercession part of that belief? 

The Quran mentions intercession by the will of Allah.  I don't know why any Muslim would believe it impossible.

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11 hours ago, notme said:

I know you don't have to ask for intercession, but I don't know if you have to believe it is possible. We must believe in Prophethood and Imamate. Is belief in intercession part of that belief? 

The Quran mentions intercession by the will of Allah.  I don't know why any Muslim would believe it impossible.

Wasn't it Ayatollah Fadlallah who said that one mustnever invoke intercessors,but pray directly to Allah without addressing Ali,Hussein,etc.?

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3 minutes ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

They make the claim that the sahabi apostasized (nauzobillah) after the prophets death.

 

Who are those Shi'ah who say only 3 or 4 Sahabah remained Muslims after the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family)? Can you give us some names, with proper references?

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3 minutes ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

Who are those Shi'ah who say only 3 or 4 Sahabah remained Muslims after the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family)? Can you give us some names, with proper references?

Many shia 'ulema'  said it. For instance yasser al khathab.

There are instances from ur books as well

Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah stated:

“According to Imami Shi’a doctrine, the vast majority of the Sahaba were liars and apostates” One of the leading scholars of the Shi’a, al-Kashshi, reported that Abu Ja’far said: “The people (including the Sahaba) all became apostates after the Prophet’s death except for three.” When asked who they were, he replied, “Al-Miqdad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr, and Salman as mentioned in the verse, ‘If he (Muhammad) dies or is killed, will you then turn on your heels.’” (Rijal al-Kashshi pp12-13)”

 

 

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1 hour ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

Many shia 'ulema'  said it. For instance yasser al khathab..

When did Yasir the Pretender become a Shi'i "scholar"?

Mention real Shi'ah. Or keep shut forever.

Quote

There are instances from ur books as well

Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah stated:

“According to Imami Shi’a doctrine, the vast majority of the Sahaba were liars and apostates” One of the leading scholars of the Shi’a, al-Kashshi, reported that Abu Ja’far said: “The people (including the Sahaba) all became apostates after the Prophet’s death except for three.” When asked who they were, he replied, “Al-Miqdad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr, and Salman as mentioned in the verse, ‘If he (Muhammad) dies or is killed, will you then turn on your heels.’” (Rijal al-Kashshi pp12-13)”

Tell me more about this fictitious book, Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah. Who is its author? When was it published? Where was it published? Could you quote the Arabic of the above text, directly from "Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah"?

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3 minutes ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

When did Yasir the Pretender become a Shi'i "scholar"?

Mention real Shi'ah. Or keep shut forever.

Tell me more about this fictitious book, Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah. Who is its author? When was it published? Where was it published? Could you quote the Arabic of the above text, directly from "Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah"?

 

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3 minutes ago, أبو فاطمة المحمدي said:

hen did Yasir the Pretender become a Shi'i "scholar"?

Mention real Shi'ah. Or keep shut forever.

Isnt he a shia scholar? Anyways.

3 minutes ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

Tell me more about this fictitious book, Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah. Who is its author? When was it published? Where was it published? Could you quote the Arabic of the above text, directly from "Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah"?

Interesting:

                 Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah

Author: Jamal Al Din Hasan Ibn Yusuf Ibn Ali Ibn i Mutahhar

When was it published?

Did all the research i could. couldnt find ANYTHING.

Where was it published?

Did all the research i could. couldnt find ANYTHING.

Could you quote the Arabic of the above text, directly from "Maktabat Minhaaj Al Sunnah"?

Lmao i copied it from a website. There was no arabic text above it.

However

There is this website...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hilli

 

 

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1 hour ago, SoliderofAllah_ said:

coming from a shia probably under takqiyaah

Come on, we are in ShiaChat, there is no taqiyah here. I think you people have exaggerating taqiyah very far. The moment a Shi'i say something that is opposite to your original thinking, suddenly you think it must be an lie (it is too good to be true mentality), thus it is in taqiyah.

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