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Alhamdulillah we are aware, but we didn't maked this political agenda like shias for personal (wilayat al faqih) 'benefits"! Search what 4 imams of Sunnah wal jamah said about yazeed. If we will "mourn" or "not" for imam Hussain r.a, his merits will never decrease. Prophet s.a.w already mentioned his status no need of "any" ayatollah or shaikh to mention about him, they should mind their "business"! 

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41 minutes ago, seyedaz said:

Why do Sunnis don't believe or don't know about events of Karabla? 

 

 

Because they followed and are still following  the  people who fought for power and money that  kept them in the dark!

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26 minutes ago, Reader. said:

Alhamdulillah we are aware, but we didn't maked this political agenda like shias for personal (wilayat al faqih) 'benefits"! Search what 4 imams of Sunnah wal jamah said about yazeed. If we will "mourn" or "not" for imam Hussain r.a, his merits will never decrease. Prophet s.a.w already mentioned his status no need of "any" ayatollah or shaikh to mention about him, they should mind their "business"! 

You are saying totally the opposite!

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1 minute ago, 12reasons4truth. said:

You are saying totally the opposite!

So what shiism is about, and you can say anything to "sunnis", zaidiys and other shias like "alawites" too for not believing in self selected 12 imams ! 

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Philosophy of Yezeedism has been beaten in every age it rears its ugly head to oppress and its attempt to distort and destroy Al-Islam.

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“If the religion of Muhammad cannot be saved except by the sacrifice of my head, Then, O swords, come and take it”. Imam Husain(as)

 

Over one thousand three hundred and fifty years ago, on the 10th of Muharram, just before 'asr, a man stood on a sand-dune at Karbala’. He was bleeding from several wounds on his body. He had lost everything. Since early morning he had carried several dead bodies into his camp. He had even buried his infant child.

He looked at the bodies of his loved ones. Tears flowed out of his eyes. He looked at the sky and seemed to draw some strength from an unseen source. Then, like a muezzin from a minaret, he raised a call:

Is there anyone who will come to assist us?

Is there anyone who will respond to our call for aid?

He turned direction and repeated the call. He did this four times.

Whom was he calling out to? Surely he was not expecting anyone to come to his aid. Those who wanted to help him had already crossed the lines and laid down their lives for the cause. He knew there was no one left. He knew that there was no other Hurr. And yet, meticulously and laboriously, he made sure that his call reverberated in all directions.

Of course that call was a call to Muslims of every generation in every land. It was a call to us wherever we may be. It was a call for help. Help against Yezeedism which in every age rears its ugly head to oppress justice, truth and morality. Our Imam was calling out to every Muslim of every age and time to combat Yezeedism, both within himself and as an external force.

This was his battle cry for jihad-ul-akbar. He had already demonstrated that his objective had always been to create a spiritual awakening through amr bil ma'ruf and nahyi anal munkar. Now he was calling out for the continuation of this jihad at the individual, social and political levels.”

“Hal Min Nasirin Yansurna”

"IS THERE ANYONE TO HELP ME"

“Labaik Ya Hussain”


Source:

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Regarding Karbala:

• "The tragedy of Karbala decided not only the fate of the caliphate, but of the Mohammedan kingdoms long after the Caliphate had waned and disappeared." [Annals of the Early Caliphate, London, 1883, pp. 441-2]

http://www.al-islam.org/articles/personalities-what-non-muslims-say-about-husayn-third-successor-prophet-muhammad

*****

First of the Series of Five Lectures 

“Hal Min Nasirin Yansurna”

 

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59 minutes ago, seyedaz said:

Why do Sunnis don't believe or don't know about events of Karabla? 

Yazeed killed Imam Hussain or had him killed so the natural question is who died and made Yazid the Caliph over the Muslims.

Muawiya died and made Yazid. How did Muawiya rise to power then?

Caliphs Umar and then Uthman gave Damascus (Syria aka Sham) as a 'gift' to the Abu Sufiyan's family. First Sham went to his eldest son (Yazid ibn Abu Sufiyan) and when he died and Umar gave it to Muawiya.

So who died and made Umar the Caliph so he could give the rise to the Ummayads? Caliph Abu Bakr died and gave the caliphate to Umar.

So who died and gave the caliphate to Abu Bakr.

The Prophet died and Abu Bakr usurped the caliphate from Ali ibn Abu Talib.

So to answer your question, Sunnis try to hide Karbala because the can of worms goes straight back to the Caliphs!

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6 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Yazeed killed Imam Hussain or had him killed so the natural question is who died and made Yazid the Caliph over the Muslims.

Muawiya died and made Yazid. How did Muawiya rise to power then?

Caliphs Umar and then Uthman gave Damascus (Syria aka Sham) as a 'gift' to the Abu Sufiyan's family. First Sham went to his eldest son (Yazid ibn Abu Sufiyan) and when he died and Umar gave it to Muawiya.

So who died and made Umar the Caliph so he could give the rise to the Ummayads? Caliph Abu Bakr died and gave the caliphate to Umar.

So who died and gave the caliphate to Abu Bakr.

The Prophet died and Abu Bakr usurped the caliphate from Ali ibn Abu Talib.

So to answer your question, Sunnis try to hide Karbala because the can of worms goes straight back to the Caliphs!

Nothing to hide it's clear, we love Hassan r.a who had "given" caliphate to Ameer Muawiyya, by not listening to his "shais" and trusted a abuser ! Forget about 4 caliphs of Islam. 

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1 hour ago, seyedaz said:

Why do Sunnis don't believe or don't know about events of Karabla? 

When the truth is hidden for political purposes so as to continue their lust for power and money, the masses become ignorant of the truth.

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8 minutes ago, Reader. said:

Nothing to hide it's clear, we love Hassan r.a who had "given" caliphate to Ameer Muawiyya, by not listening to his "shais" and trusted a abuser ! Forget about 4 caliphs of Islam. 

The Peace Treaty of Imam Hassan and Muawiya was the same as the Peace Treaty of Hudaibiya.

Moreover, Muawiya was supposed to hand back the caliphate to Imam Hassan but of course in true Ummayyad fashion, he went back on his word.

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7 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

 

Moreover, Muawiya was supposed to hand back the caliphate to Imam Hassan but of course in true Ummayyad fashion, he went back on his word.

Honestly, what else could you expect from the son of Abu Sufian and Hind ?

 

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4 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

The Peace Treaty of Imam Hassan and Muawiya was the same as the Peace Treaty of Hudaibiya.

[hubaibiyah Treaty was between pagans and mushriks, and Muawiya was 'muslim' accepted Islam on hand of Prophet s.a.w ! So do you mean Hassan r.a gived caliphate to a mushrik 'maazAllah'!] 

 

Moreover, Muawiya was supposed to hand back the caliphate to Imam Hassan!!!? but of course in true Ummayyad fashion, he went back on his word.

If iam not wrong he was going to hand it "down" to Hussain r.a, according to your weak hadiths & week narrations ! Respect ameer Muawiya he was Sahabi and was shia of Hassan r.a. 

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Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyan appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said:

What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camels. I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) say about 'Ali as he left him behind in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'Ali said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no prophethood after me. And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger, and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We had been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed: "Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.

حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبَّادٍ، - وَتَقَارَبَا فِي اللَّفْظِ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا حَاتِمٌ، - وَهُوَ ابْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ - عَنْ بُكَيْرِ بْنِ مِسْمَارٍ، عَنْ عَامِرِ بْنِ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ أَمَرَ مُعَاوِيَةُ بْنُ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ سَعْدًا فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسُبَّ أَبَا التُّرَابِ فَقَالَ أَمَّا مَا ذَكَرْتُ ثَلاَثًا قَالَهُنَّ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَلَنْ أَسُبَّهُ لأَنْ تَكُونَ لِي وَاحِدَةٌ مِنْهُنَّ أَحَبُّ إِلَىَّ مِنْ حُمْرِ النَّعَمِ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ لَهُ خَلَّفَهُ فِي بَعْضِ مَغَازِيهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ عَلِيٌّ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ خَلَّفْتَنِي مَعَ النِّسَاءِ وَالصِّبْيَانِ فَقَالَ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ أَمَا تَرْضَى أَنْ تَكُونَ مِنِّي بِمَنْزِلَةِ هَارُونَ مِنْ مُوسَى إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ لاَ نُبُوَّةَ بَعْدِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَسَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ خَيْبَرَ ‏"‏ لأُعْطِيَنَّ الرَّايَةَ رَجُلاً يُحِبُّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيُحِبُّهُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَتَطَاوَلْنَا لَهَا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ادْعُوا لِي عَلِيًّا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَأُتِيَ بِهِ أَرْمَدَ فَبَصَقَ فِي عَيْنِهِ وَدَفَعَ الرَّايَةَ إِلَيْهِ فَفَتَحَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ ‏{‏ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ‏}‏ دَعَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلِيًّا وَفَاطِمَةَ وَحَسَنًا وَحُسَيْنًا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ اللَّهُمَّ هَؤُلاَءِ أَهْلِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2404 d

In-book reference : Book 44, Hadith 50

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 5915

http://sunnah.com/muslim/44/50

It was narrated that Saeed bin Jubair said:

"I was with Ibn Abbas in Arafat and he said: 'Why do I not hear the people reciting Talbiyah?' I said: They are afraid of Muawiyah.' So Ibn Abbas went out of his tent and said: "Labbaik Allahumma Labbaik, Labbaik! They are only forsaking the Sunnah out of hatred for Ali.'"

أَخْبَرَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ حَكِيمٍ الأَوْدِيُّ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ مَخْلَدٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ صَالِحٍ، عَنْ مَيْسَرَةَ بْنِ حَبِيبٍ، عَنِ الْمِنْهَالِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ جُبَيْرٍ، قَالَ كُنْتُ مَعَ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ بِعَرَفَاتٍ فَقَالَ مَا لِي لاَ أَسْمَعُ النَّاسَ يُلَبُّونَ قُلْتُ يَخَافُونَ مِنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ ‏.‏ فَخَرَجَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ مِنْ فُسْطَاطِهِ فَقَالَ لَبَّيْكَ اللَّهُمَّ لَبَّيْكَ لَبَّيْكَ فَإِنَّهُمْ قَدْ تَرَكُوا السُّنَّةَ مِنْ بُغْضِ عَلِيٍّ ‏.‏

Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)

Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 3006

In-book reference : Book 24, Hadith 0

English translation : Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 3009

http://sunnah.com/urn/1081720

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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19 minutes ago, Reader. said:

If iam not wrong he was going to hand it "down" to Hussain r.a, according to your weak hadiths & week narrations ! Respect ameer Muawiya he was Sahabi and was shia of Hassan r.a. 

you are wrong. The caliphate was to go to Imam Hassan and following his death to Imam Hussain.

May you end up with Muawiya on the Day of Judgement and me with the Prophet and his Progeny. Amen.

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33 minutes ago, Reader. said:

If iam not wrong he was going to hand it "down" to Hussain r.a, according to your weak hadiths & week narrations ! Respect ameer Muawiya he was Sahabi and was shia of Hassan r.a. 

If that's what you believe, then put it to the test. If you respect such an individual, then do you desire to be raised with him on the Day of Judgment, yeah? Just to clarify. Would you like him by your side?

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يَوْمَ نَدْعُو كُلَّ أُنَاسٍ بِإِمَامِهِمْ ۖ فَمَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلًا {71}

[Shakir 17:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.
[Pickthal 17:71] On the day when We shall summon all men with their record, whoso is given his book in his right hand - such will read their book and they will not be wronged a shred.
[Yusufali 17:71] One day We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imams: those who are given their record in their right hand will read it (with pleasure), and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least.

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Brother Reader. 

Respecting sahaba out of respect of our Holy Prophet s.a.w.a. is a good thing, but it must not be to the degree that we commit injustice and sin even with our tongue. It is one thing to have different opinions about certain personalities among sahaba which even the shia have disagreement among themselves, and another to persist in something so ugly and unjust that it threatens the picture of the whole sunni Islam, as is the deference of muawiya.  

I will not waste your time with stories and deeds of muawiya. As whatever i say you will probably excuse him somehow. Just a note though be careful brother with what you say about him bcs at his hand many sahaba where martyred, least you invoke the anger of Allah S.W.T. with praises for their murderer. 

Regarding the handing over of khilafa.

If you say that Imam Hassan a.s. handed power and did the right thing, what then of Imam Ali a.s.? What of the order of God in the Quran to fight rebels (baghi)? Would you ascribe sins and disobedience of Allah S.W.T. to the Master of the Youth of Paradise, or to his father, one better then him a.s. just so the name of muawiya remains untarnished? 

There is a single hadith that supports the view that you have put forth. That is the hadith of Abu Bakra the words in that hadith are his not from the one he narrates from, and the hadith is problematic. The one that begins with Wallah al Hassan led armies like mountains.....

Imam Hassan al Mujtaba a.s. was the most knowledgeable after Imam Ali a.s. and the one resembling the Holy Prophet s.a.w.a. in behavior and understanding, and appearance,  and in knowledge of the Holy Qur'an which was unmatched after Imam Ali a.s. This is well established in both Bukhari and Muslim. Handing power to muawiya was done because that was is mandated in the sunnan of Allah S.W.T. not because he thought muawiya was worthy or decent. When Musa and Haroon a.s. where ordered to fight, the israelites refused the order, for which they where humiliated and perished in the deserts. Musa and Haroon a.s. who where left alone and had nobody to support them, did not fight. Fighting is ordained as long as there is the support of the people, otherwise the order is not pursued. Imam Hassan a.s. followed the same principle. He fought according with the command of God against the rebel (baghi), just like his father a.s. had done in defense of muslims, and when he a.s. saw that many of the tribes that had come where in for the money, and those who where supposed to stand up  from Madinah and Kuffah, for what is right, and just, where either silenced by muawiya's money, or where in doubt and refused to obey, Imam Hassan a.s. handed power to him and left people have what they desired. Furthermore there where more worthy people Imam Hassan a.s. could have handed power to, if it was that he desired what you say, but he handed it to muawiya whose justification had been that he was fighting for the right of blood only and not power. People saw him later on that he was really fighting to usurp the khilafa, but by that time it was too late. Handing power to him specifically and not others revealed for those who had some doubt in that time his true intentions. One of them was ibn Umar r.a. When muawiya boasted in Masjid an Nabawi infront of sahabas many of them high esteemed companions, " We (banu Ummaya) are more worthy of this (khilafa) then you and your father " he was looking at ibn Umar when he said this, Ibn Umar stood up and says "I wanted to tell him, no, rather the ones who fought you and your father in Islam are more worthy, but I FEARED BLOODSHED, so i sat down and didn't speak. 

In hid deathbed ibn Umar r.a. regretted only one thing "Not fighting "the party of rebels" with Imam Ali a.s. 

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13 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

Yazeed killed Imam Hussain or had him killed so the natural question is who died and made Yazid the Caliph over the Muslims.

Muawiya died and made Yazid. How did Muawiya rise to power then?

Caliphs Umar and then Uthman gave Damascus (Syria aka Sham) as a 'gift' to the Abu Sufiyan's family. First Sham went to his eldest son (Yazid ibn Abu Sufiyan) and when he died and Umar gave it to Muawiya.

So who died and made Umar the Caliph so he could give the rise to the Ummayads? Caliph Abu Bakr died and gave the caliphate to Umar.

So who died and gave the caliphate to Abu Bakr.

The Prophet died and Abu Bakr usurped the caliphate from Ali ibn Abu Talib.

So to answer your question, Sunnis try to hide Karbala because the can of worms goes straight back to the Caliphs!

But you are seeing everything thru the lens of a 12er shia here , muawiyah was appointed a governer under umar yes but didn't have the power as under uthman and much less areas to govern...furthermore you forget a lot of pro Ali Sahaba were also appointed in position of power under umar as well.

also the rehabilitation of tulaqa is a process started with Prophet although abu bakr relied on them more, umar significantly cut back their power.When aMr b a'as conquered Egypt umar sent zubair b awwwam to keep tabs on him the same zubayr who was fight to enter into a fist fight with umar over right of Ali to caliphate

even under abubakr khalid b saaeed was appointed commander who had supported Ali even though he was from Banu ummayyah

 

The tribal politics of Arabs in 7th century is very rich and complex and it's imperitive.to understand it before simply dividing personalities in good vs bad bases on a selective interpratation of history.

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1 hour ago, Panzerwaffe said:

But you are seeing everything thru the lens of a 12er shia here , muawiyah was appointed a governer under umar yes but didn't have the power as under uthman and much less areas to govern...furthermore you forget a lot of pro Ali Sahaba were also appointed in position of power under umar as well.

also the rehabilitation of tulaqa is a process started with Prophet although abu bakr relied on them more, umar significantly cut back their power.When aMr b a'as conquered Egypt umar sent zubair b awwwam to keep tabs on him the same zubayr who was fight to enter into a fist fight with umar over right of Ali to caliphate

even under abubakr khalid b saaeed was appointed commander who had supported Ali even though he was from Banu ummayyah

 

The tribal politics of Arabs in 7th century is very rich and complex and it's imperitive.to understand it before simply dividing personalities in good vs bad bases on a selective interpratation of history.

You are almost right about everything. Caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar had a rotation policy when it came to governors however there was 1 governor or family that remain ed untouched - the Ummayyads. Greater Syria was left at the hands of Yazid ibn Abu Sufiyan and then Muawiya ibn Abu Sufiyan with almost no influence from the Caliphs. That's why they became so powerful.

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^ true but with other tribes in power elsewhere there was zero possibility of ummayyads revolting against medina govt in umars time 

In uthmans time with almost all provinces in ummayyad hands the equation totally changed now all the treasury of other provinces was looted and taken by ummayyads to greater syria  that's how they got so powerful circa 36 AH 

Abu sufyan had other trading relations in Syria from before so putting them in charge if Damascus was not totally unreasonable esp since umar could not have predicted the events of 36 AH 

prophet himself appointed some chiefs to power who later were treacherous to Ali , will we now blame Prophet too ? Like ashaath b qays , wail b hujr

Umar was however wrong in glorifying early muhajireen and quraish to the detriment of ansar and non quraish 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

^ true but with other tribes in power elsewhere there was zero possibility of ummayyads revolting against medina govt in umars time 

In uthmans time with almost all provinces in ummayyad hands the equation totally changed now all the treasury of other provinces was looted and taken by ummayyads to greater syria  that's how they got so powerful circa 36 AH 

Abu sufyan had other trading relations in Syria from before so putting them in charge if Damascus was not totally unreasonable esp since umar could not have predicted the events of 36 AH 

prophet himself appointed some chiefs to power who later were treacherous to Ali , will we now blame Prophet too ? Like ashaath b qays , wail b hujr

Umar was however wrong in glorifying early muhajireen and quraish to the detriment of ansar and non quraish 

Agreed brother. However, I still havent found a valid reason for why all governors were changed by Caliph Umar every 1-2 years with the exception of Yazid & Muawiya ibn Abu Sufiyan.

The nepotism shown by Caliph Uthman eventually led to his death.

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^I don't either personally I think umar feared banu ummayyah so syria was to keep them happy and away from a striking distance of Iraq and hijaz the core of the empire

That's why at his deathbed he advised the 6 Shura members not to fight amongst themselves 

 

Abu ubaidah jarrah has died of plague otherwise he may have been governer there as a favorite of umar

 

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On 3/16/2016 at 11:08 PM, Panzerwaffe said:

^I don't either personally I think umar feared banu ummayyah so syria was to keep them happy and away from a striking distance of Iraq and hijaz the core of the empire

That is the crux of the matter - why the need to appease Abu Sufiyan & his family.

Now its no secret that Abu Sufiyan and Caliph Umar were BFF before Umar converted. Was this old friendship re-kindled?

There is a hadith I have heard but not read myself that after the demise of the Prophet and the Saqifah, Abu Sufiyan came to Imam Ali and offered to raise an army for him to fight Abu Bakr & Co. Imam Ali rejected his offer because he knew Abu Sufiyan did not have Islam's best interest in mind.

There is absolutely no proof of this (that I have seen) so it is pure conjecture on my part but what are the chances that Abu Sufiyan went Caliph Abu Bakr & Umar and asked them for a reward for his allegiance which manifested itself in the governorship of Syria.

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^ umars loathing of late converts is well known but like I said rehabilitation of quraish late converts is a process started with Prophet and not umar 

although it is a possibility that abu sufyan family were bought with syria that is probably out of fear of powerful ummayyads rather than any secret deal as umar and early muhajireens interests were opposed to that of later converts and these became big fissures as yeara went on, so when even the anti Ali muhajireen and Meccan quraish  rose up against Ali and ansar they were careful to keep their fight seperate from muawiyah ummayyads.

this trend continues in second fitna as we see hijazi quraish under abdullah b zubair openly opposed Alids AND the Ummayeds with equal ferocity 

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On 14.03.2016 at 10:52 PM, Reader. said:

Alhamdulillah we are aware, but we didn't maked this political agenda like shias for personal (wilayat al faqih) 'benefits"! Search what 4 imams of Sunnah wal jamah said about yazeed. If we will "mourn" or "not" for imam Hussain r.a, his merits will never decrease. Prophet s.a.w already mentioned his status no need of "any" ayatollah or shaikh to mention about him, they should mind their "business"! 

I'm at a loss for this defected logic... Wow.

Similarly, God also does not need our prayers, His greatness does not decrease even if nobody worships Him.

Then we might abandon our ibadah if we were to act according to this.

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3 hours ago, celestial said:

I'm at a loss for this defected logic... Wow.

Similarly, God also does not need our prayers, His greatness does not decrease even if nobody worships Him.

Then we might abandon our ibadah if we were to act according to this.

Actually Allah "ordered in Quran" to worship Him, though i used to do so ! Otherwise as you stated there's no need to worship Allah, if Quran is in "cave", then people used to be in mourning groups hitting themselves "which is not ordered in Quran"! 

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5 minutes ago, Reader. said:

Actually Allah "ordered in Quran" to worship Him, though i used to do so ! Otherwise as you stated there's no need to worship Allah, if Quran is in "cave", then people used to be in mourning groups hitting themselves "which is not ordered in Quran"! 

Do you believe in ahadith or not?

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2 minutes ago, Reader. said:

Its seems your logic is "defected" now ! Iam sunni not so called Quran'ist. 

You are doing things which are not directly ordered in Quran. Because you read them in ahadith.

Similary, we also do that. Mourning is what we read in our hadith, plus shias feel it deep from their hearts. Its not like we are forced to, really.

Is it that hard to understand? Please, think. Think more, get used to thinking.

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Worship:

وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالْإِنْسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ {56}

[Shakir 51:56] And I have not created the jinn and the men except that they should serve Me.
[Pickthal 51:56] I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
[Yusufali 51:56] I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.


[Pooya/Ali Commentary 51:56]

Refer to Sad: 27. Imam Jafar bin Muhammad As Sadiq said:

"Allah created man and gave him faculties of observation and contemplation to acquire knowledge with which he understands the manifestation of His power and then submits to Him."

Without knowledge man's adoration of Allah has no real worth. The actual meaning of adoration is not the performance of rituals or a few prescribed formal prayers, recited by the mouth. Adoration involves surrender of ego, self-control and discipline, so that he acts only in consonance with the expressed will of Allah, by abiding with His commands. The whole life-activity of the individual should be nothing but the fulfilment of the will of Allah.

"Say: Verily my prayer and my sacrifice, and my life and my death (all) are for the Lord of the worlds." (An-am: 163)

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

This is the purpose of creation, as expressed in the holy book-to act according to the will and the command of Allah. The most perfect form of action is the absolute submission to His will, that is, Islam. Therefore of the creatures, whoever is better in manifesting His will and His command throughout life, will be closer to the purpose of creation, and therefore nearer to Him. The more perfect in obedience will be nearer to the creator, and the closer they are to Him, the more perfect they will be in the order of creation.

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وَفَدَيْنَاهُ بِذِبْحٍ عَظِيمٍ {107}

[Shakir 37:107] And We ransomed him with a Feat sacrifice.
[Pickthal 37:107] Then We ransomed him with a tremendous victim.
[Yusufali 37:107] And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 37:107]

In verse 107 the sacrifice with which Ismail was ransomed is described as great by Allah, therefore it must be great in absolute degree. An ordinary ram by no means, in any sense whatsoever, can be termed as great; moreover under no circumstances a ram can be greater than Ismail son of Ibrahim, both the most distinguished prophets of Allah, in whose progeny Allah had appointed His divinely commissioned Imams (see commentary of Baqarah : 124). The ransom, therefore, is essentially a great sacrifice Allah had kept in store for future when the religion of Allah would be perfected and completed after the advent of the Holy Prophet.

It was indeed a great and momentous occasion when two men of God stood ready to offer to Allah that which was dearest to them to seek His pleasure, then Allah puts off this great manifestation of "devotion and surrender to His will" which was the real purpose of the trial (not blood and flesh) to a future date, so that the "devotion and surrender to Allah's will" should be demonstrated in a greater style and degree than what Ibrahim and Ismail could. This type of service Imam Husayn performed, many ages later, in 60 A.H., and as he was a descendant of Ibrahim and Ismail the credit of "the great sacrifice" goes to them also. For the great sacrifice of Imam Husayn read the biography of Imam Husayn published by our Trust, a close study of which makes clear that his sacrifice has been rightly mentioned as dhibhin azim in this verse.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Shah Wali-ullah, in Sirrush Shahadaytan, and many other well known authors of traditions and history have accepted the fact that dhibhin azim refers to the sacrifice of Imam Husayn. See also my note in the commentary of verses 83 to 113.

http://quran.al-islam.org/

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“And We Ransomed him with a Great Sacrifice”

http://www.al-islam.org/understanding-karbala-allamah-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/and-we-ransomed-him-great-sacrifice

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إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ اللَّهِ ۖ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا ۚ وَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ شَاكِرٌ عَلِيمٌ {158}

[Shakir 2:158] Surely the Safa and the Marwa are among the signs appointed by Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit (to it), there is no blame on him if he goes round them both; and whoever does good spontaneously, then surely Allah is Grateful, Knowing.
[Pickthal 2:158] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.
[Yusufali 2:158] Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah. So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them. And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth.


[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:158]

Safa and Marwa are two clusters of rocks between which the pilgrims run back and forth during hajj. They are the scene of Hajirah's running to and fro in search of water, after being left alone with Ismail in the blistering heat and wilderness of Makka. Please see the commentary of verses 125 and 126 of this surah. Before the Holy Prophet had purified and perfected the rituals of hajj, Usaf, an idol, was kept on Safa, and Nu-Allah, another idol, was kept on Marwah, therefore, people did not like to go to these rocks. Through this verse, the said stigma has been removed and running between the two rocks has been made an obligatory function of the hajj.

Sha-a-irillah means signs of Allah, which remind a person of Allah or a representative of Allah - a prophet or an imam, whose remembrance itself would be an act of virtue or devotion to Allah. It is in this sense that the followers of Muhammad and Ali Muhammad give respect toalams, tazias, zarihs, associated with the holy Imams.

Allah is grateful {shakir) means appreciation of good deeds and liberal rewarding in return.

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What is Hajj? What do you do in Hajj? what is it you are asked to remember/why? 

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