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What makes meat halal or haram?

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Asalamu Alaikum, 

I have always been told that pigs, carnivores, and insects are things that we, as Muslims, are forbidden to eat yet when my biology professor told me that pork was only banned during the rise of Christianity and Islam since it wasn't simply cooked well enough. Today you can eat pork just fine as do millions of people. When I told my mother about this she believed me but she told me that the other reason as to why we don't eat pork, carnivores or insects is since we would get the characteristics of those creatures when we eat them. Such as a pig, who doesn't mind if its companion is sleeping with another pig, eating carnivores would make us more aggressive, and that we should eat camel meat since its very protective of its mates. 

I'm still not sure if this is really true or not since many people eat insects in the far east and they seem to be doing practically well for themselves. They don't see it as gross because they got used to it over time and integrated it into their culture. When I told her that she tried to change the subject.

I hope some one can give me an answer to this since it seems to cause no trouble to the human body or psyche if we eat any type of animal or insect. 

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salaam,

There are over 74 illnesses specifically associated with the consumption of pork including some that are life threatening. today they run pork under radiation and so on that kills some of the parasites or bacteria on it. but then it comes with other problems. pork (especially the way it is raised today) is unhealthy and bad for the kidney, heart, etc, etc. The pig eats everything. it'll eat is own dung. Allah knows best why it is forbidden in the Quran. 

Inorder for meat to be halal, it has to be slaughtered in a halal way as well. The name of Allah has to be read over it, the animal must be given drink of water before being slaughtered, must be faced towards the Qibla and the jugular vein and wind pipe has to be cut. so animals being flogged to death, suffocated, and such are haram to eat and also animals that haven't had the name of Allah read over them are haram. then aside from pork there are other meats are also haram to eat like bear, snake, worms, etc. brother i would stay away from non halal meat. There are many clear reasons why some meats are made haram even if they don't appear to be harmful up front. Halal meat is both healthy for the human to eat, and calls for the ethical treatment and slaughter of animals. you can look at these links for more info. 

 

http://www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-ali-al-husayni-al-sistani/slaughtering-and-hunting-animals

http://www.halalforhealth.com/why_halal.html

http://muslimvoices.org/halal-food-good/

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people have lost faith in God, they want an explanation for everything, they want God's knowledge but dont want God's trust 

Islam whether you like it or not requires faith, and that is the ultimate test, that is pure belief 

putting your faith and belief in God when there is nothing to be seen , call it blind faith if you will but that is the purest faith 

all this other is the pathway of the devil 

clearly we can see that the Devil made it to Heaven using this methodology of wanting to reason for everything he believes in , but clearly int he end he was kicked out of heaven even when he could see heaven and hell and God and talk to God directly 
 

God tested him and God didnt give him the reason why, and he failed 
 

so whats the point of being in Heaven and even talking to God if in the end you dont have faith in Him , the destination is Hell for such people unless they change their ways 

 

this is why science became an enemy to religion it turned us habitual in wanting to know everything  before we subscribe to it or we wont subscribe
 

in my opinion just trust in God tawakullilah  and get on with your life and you will be MUCH happier

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2 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

Whatever you do, dont assume health related reasons are justification for something being halal or haram.  Smoking will kill you a thousand times faster than pork, yet i rarely hear anyone talking about smoking being haram.

anything harmful to someones body is considered haram smoking included, though you are right, no one talks about it.

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40 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

Whatever you do, dont assume health related reasons are justification for something being halal or haram.  Smoking will kill you a thousand times faster than pork, yet i rarely hear anyone talking about smoking being haram.

smoking should be haram too. and people should talk about it. maybe health reasons aren't the only justification for something being halal or haram. but they are one of the bigger reasons. and another one is the ethical treatment of animals. i work in the cattle industry. i know a lot of what they do to our meat. and if meat has to be slaughtered in the most ethical way possible where the animal doesn't suffer as much inorder to be halal, that is a big step forward. halal meat is cleaner too. 

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Bismillah.

Salaam.

I think I can answer you through this question:

Why is pork Haraam? Is there a reason for all religious laws?

In order for the answer to be clarified, it is necessary to make mention of the following points:

1) In general it can be said that all religious laws are based on divine knowledge and wisdom and the benefits and indecencies of every ruling has been explained and established, and no one other than Allah, the Most High has complete awareness of them. The human sciences are also capable of finding out some of the reasons and rationales of the Islamic laws, not all of them.

2) In order to act upon the Islamic law, it is not necessary to have knowledge of the benefits and indecencies (evil). It is necessary to abide by divine injunctions even if you do not know their philosophy and rationale. However, our adherence to divine laws does not mean that we should surrender ourselves to God without any intellection. There is no objection to asking about the philosophy of religious laws. Additionally, it is pure rationality to follow someone who has knowledge of good and evil, decency and indecency.

3) The reasons and wisdom mentioned by traditions do not explain the jurisprudential laws nor do they imply that they are the only causes of the juridical law. In fact, they are meant to explain a theological and ideological matter to us in the sense that God did not create the laws in order that He Himself benefit from them. Divine legislations are intended for the benefit of man. In other words, the divine laws enjoy a standard or criterion. Therefore, making mention of some of the reasons and philosophies or the benefits and harms do not means we should accept them as the whole and sole causes of the laws as there might some other underlying reasons of which we are unaware and which have not been mentioned to us.

What actually serves as a reason for jurisprudential deductions is that God or His Prophet (s) has stated in a general way that "inflicting harm upon oneself" is haram. There are traditions in this regard [1] and God or His Prophet (s) also means to explain the same instruction. If they point out some instances of harmful things, it does necessarily mean that the harm is the cause for prohibition, rather the aim is to make mention of an ideological point as was stated above. Therefore, one cannot say that an instance of a harm mentioned by the Quran or tradition is the cause of prohibition; in fact some of the harms may signify prohibition and some others signify abominableness.

4) Despite the fact that God, the Sublime, has bestowed profuse bounties upon man and placed those bounties at his disposal, He also created some limitations and boundaries in accord with proper standards and human nature.

5) Pigs are considered as essentially impure (najīs-ul 'ayn) animals and all parts of a pig's body are Najīs and it is haram to eat its meat. [2]

Hence, in view of the above we say:

a) When it comes to the wisdom and philosophy of the prohibition of "pork", it is necessary that the reasons be mentioned in minute details and if the reasons are mentioned in such a way, one cannot say that they are the real cause of the prohibition of pork because what serves as a reason for prohibition of pork according to Fiqh (jurisprudential viewpoint) is a Quranic verse which we should accept with absolute obedience. The Quran says, «فَإِنَّهُ رِجْسٌ». [3] In this verse, God has stated the reason in a general way which enjoys rational and ideological support. Despite its generality, the verse makes mention of the foulness and uncleanness of pig meat as well as the harm which it entails [4] and which is the main reason for prohibition of pork.

In any case, different benefits and harms have been stated for pork. For example, it has been reported in a tradition that Imam Reza (a.s) considered pork among the things that are harmful to man's body. [5] Also, when God transformed a tribe because of their sins, He turned them into animals including pigs. [6]

3. The prohibition of pork and its essential impurity is not because of its worthlessness so that we may dispose of it in any way we want. For this reason, it has been narrated that one day when a man killed a pig, Imam Ali (a.s.) guaranteed the payment of its price to its owner. [7] Definitely, the guarantee for repayment of the pig's price is in no way dichotomous with its prohibition and impurity in Islamic Shari'ah. In fact, the Imam's saying implies that this animal is valuable for its non-Muslim owner. Therefore, it is not permissible to destroy or transgress upon other peoples' property.

In short, the prohibition of pork is evidenced by Quranic verses and traditions which must be accepted with absolute submission. Some of the reasons mentioned for the prohibition of pork are things that have been discovered and revealed to man while it is possible that some other harms of pork be discovered in future.

 


[1] - For example, Imam Rizā (a.s.) said:

«اعْلَمْ یَرْحَمُکَ اللَّهُ أَنَّ اللَّهَ تَبَارَکَ وَ تَعَالَى لَمْ یُبِحْ أَکْلًا وَ لَا شُرْباً إِلَّا مَا فِیهِ مِنَ الْمَنْفَعَةِ وَ الصَّلَاحِ وَ لَمْ یُحَرِّمْ إِلَّا مَا فِیهِ الضَّرَرُ وَ التَّلَفُ وَ الْفَسَادُ فَکُلُّ نَافِعٍ مُقَوٍّ لِلْجِسْمِ فِیهِ قُوَّةٌ لِلْبَدَنِ فَحَلَالٌ وَ کُلُ‏ مُضِرٍّ یَذْهَبُ‏ بِالْقُوَّةِ أَوْ قَاتِلٍ فَحَرَامٌ»

May Allah bless you, you should know that everything which is forbidden is due to its harmfulness, therefore all harmful things are forbidden. Everything that is beneficial is permitted. So all permitted things are beneficial. God did not forbid a thing except that there was harm, loss and evil in it. Therefore everything that has a benefit for the body and strengthens the body is halal and everything that destroys the strength or is a killer is haram." Majlisi, Muhammad Baqir, Behar al-Anwar, vol.62, pg. 166, Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi, Beirut, 2nd edition, 1403 A.H.

[2] Imam Khomeini, Sayyid Rohullah, Tawzih al-Masail (with annotation), vol.1, pg. 75, Islamic Publications Office, Qom, 8th edition, 1424 A.H.

[3] - The Holy Quran says in Sura Al-Ana'am verse 145: " Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (unclean meat)."

[4] - Sura Al-Ana'am verse 145: "The flesh of swine is unclean (or foul)."

[5] - Behar al-Anwar, vol.62, pg. 166; Also, in this regard you can refer to: Shaykh Saduq, 'Elal al-Sharaye', vol.2, pg. 483 – 485, Dawari Book Store, Qom, 1st edition, 1385 (2006).

[6] - 'Elal al-Sharaye', vol.2, pg. 484

[7] - Kulayni, Muhammad bin Ya'qub, Al-Kafi, researched and edited by Ghaffari, Ali Akbari and Akhundi, Muhammad, vol.7, pg. 368, Dar al-Kutub al-Islamiyah, Tehran, 1407 A.H.

 

With Duas.

Narsis.

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21 hours ago, em said:

salaam,

There are over 74 illnesses specifically associated with the consumption of pork including some that are life threatening. today they run pork under radiation and so on that kills some of the parasites or bacteria on it. but then it comes with other problems. pork (especially the way it is raised today) is unhealthy and bad for the kidney, heart, etc, etc. The pig eats everything. it'll eat is own dung. Allah knows best why it is forbidden in the Quran. 

Inorder for meat to be halal, it has to be slaughtered in a halal way as well. The name of Allah has to be read over it, the animal must be given drink of water before being slaughtered, must be faced towards the Qibla and the jugular vein and wind pipe has to be cut. so animals being flogged to death, suffocated, and such are haram to eat and also animals that haven't had the name of Allah read over them are haram. then aside from pork there are other meats are also haram to eat like bear, snake, worms, etc. brother i would stay away from non halal meat. There are many clear reasons why some meats are made haram even if they don't appear to be harmful up front. Halal meat is both healthy for the human to eat, and calls for the ethical treatment and slaughter of animals. you can look at these links for more info. 

 

http://www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-ali-al-husayni-al-sistani/slaughtering-and-hunting-animals

http://www.halalforhealth.com/why_halal.html

http://muslimvoices.org/halal-food-good/

But if it does bring 74 different types of illnesses then why hasn't anyone died, or at least reported something about this?

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18 hours ago, neverforgotten313 said:

people have lost faith in God, they want an explanation for everything, they want God's knowledge but dont want God's trust 

Islam whether you like it or not requires faith, and that is the ultimate test, that is pure belief 

putting your faith and belief in God when there is nothing to be seen , call it blind faith if you will but that is the purest faith 

all this other is the pathway of the devil 

clearly we can see that the Devil made it to Heaven using this methodology of wanting to reason for everything he believes in , but clearly int he end he was kicked out of heaven even when he could see heaven and hell and God and talk to God directly 
 

God tested him and God didnt give him the reason why, and he failed 
 

so whats the point of being in Heaven and even talking to God if in the end you dont have faith in Him , the destination is Hell for such people unless they change their ways 

 

this is why science became an enemy to religion it turned us habitual in wanting to know everything  before we subscribe to it or we wont subscribe
 

in my opinion just trust in God tawakullilah  and get on with your life and you will be MUCH happier

But we also have to try and learn as to why we should believe. We shouldn't blindly follow our religion. We should analyze what is right and what is wrong and make that wrong a right. We need to know as human beings when we should change or not.

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10 minutes ago, Eric muhalla said:

But if it does bring 74 different types of illnesses then why hasn't anyone died, or at least reported something about this?

salaam brother,

of course nobody died just because they ate a little bit pork. but we are talking about the long term health and why it is better to avoid it. nobody died because they had a glass of wine. but it is prohibited to drink because of the problems associated with alcohol when you look at the bigger picture. i am quoting this next part from a well known doctors website:

According to a surprising new investigation by Consumer Reports1, 69 percent of all raw pork samples tested — nearly 200 samples in total — were contaminated with the dangerous bacteria Yersinia enterocolitica, which causes fever and gastrointestinal illness with diarrhea, vomiting, and stomach cramps.

Ground pork was more likely than pork chops to be contaminated.

The pork also tested positive for other contaminants, including the controversial drug ractopamine, which is banned in many parts of the world, including China and Europe. The drug, which was found in more than 20 percent of the samples, is used to boost growth in the animal while leaving the meat lean. Worst of all, many of the bacteria found in the pork were resistant to multiple antibiotics, making treatment, should you fall ill, all the more problematic and potentially lethal.

According to the featured report:

"We found salmonella, staphylococcus aureus, or listeria monocytogenes, more common causes of foodborne illness, in 3 to 7 percent of samples. And 11 percent harbored enterococcus, which can indicate fecal contamination and can cause problems such as urinary-tract infections."

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous infections and diseases, including:

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig's immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection. However, according to research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium, the disease is also airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult.

  • PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today. At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome" (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.
  • The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 20042.
  • Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains do have the ability to infect human cells3. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.
  • Menangle Virus – In 1998, it was reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, em said:

salaam brother,

of course nobody died just because they ate a little bit pork. but we are talking about the long term health and why it is better to avoid it. nobody died because they had a glass of wine. but it is prohibited to drink because of the problems associated with alcohol when you look at the bigger picture. i am quoting this next part from a well known doctors website:

According to a surprising new investigation by Consumer Reports1, 69 percent of all raw pork samples tested — nearly 200 samples in total — were contaminated with the dangerous bacteria Yersinia enterocolitica, which causes fever and gastrointestinal illness with diarrhea, vomiting, and stomach cramps.

Ground pork was more likely than pork chops to be contaminated.

The pork also tested positive for other contaminants, including the controversial drug ractopamine, which is banned in many parts of the world, including China and Europe. The drug, which was found in more than 20 percent of the samples, is used to boost growth in the animal while leaving the meat lean. Worst of all, many of the bacteria found in the pork were resistant to multiple antibiotics, making treatment, should you fall ill, all the more problematic and potentially lethal.

According to the featured report:

"We found salmonella, staphylococcus aureus, or listeria monocytogenes, more common causes of foodborne illness, in 3 to 7 percent of samples. And 11 percent harbored enterococcus, which can indicate fecal contamination and can cause problems such as urinary-tract infections."

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous infections and diseases, including:

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig's immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection. However, according to research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium, the disease is also airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult.

  • PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today. At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome" (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.
  • The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 20042.
  • Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains do have the ability to infect human cells3. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.
  • Menangle Virus – In 1998, it was reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.

 

 

Are there any articles of people actually dying in the hundreds or thousands?

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2 hours ago, Eric muhalla said:

But we also have to try and learn as to why we should believe. We shouldn't blindly follow our religion. We should analyze what is right and what is wrong and make that wrong a right. We need to know as human beings when we should change or not.

Yes but as you can see scientists will prove contra to what your religion states, and where do you go from there?

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