Imam Mahdi a.s is probably mostly black by race

[guest050817]

In the name of Allah the beneficient the merciful,

Salamunalaykum,

Our twelfth Imam a.s's mother was probably a black lady:

Daleel

"From Yazeed al-Kunaasee said, I heard Abaa Ja`far Muhammad bin `Alee al-Baaqir (عليه السلام), he said: “Verily, the master of this affair (i.e. al-Qaa’im) in him is resemblance of Yoosuf (عليه السلام), he is the son of a black bondswoman (female slave), and Allaah (عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ) will reform his affair in one night”

 

Source:

 

1.     Al-Nu`maani, Kitaab al-Ghaybah, ch. 13, pg. 228, hadeeth # 8

 

2.     Al-Nu`maani, Kitaab al-Ghaybah, pg. 163, hadeeth # 3

Credit to Brother Nader Zaveri (you must check out his website): http://www.revivingalislam.com/2011/07/mother-of-imam-mahdi.html

There is also another hadith stating the same thing in essence, but with a different chain of narrators found on the link.

The hadith of her being a roman princess is regarded to be fabricated/VERY WEAK: http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/06/narjis-mother-of-12th-imaam-story-is_20.html

How on earth this extremely weak hadith ever made it onto a pulipit deserves a public enquiry as to why it took an online blogger to point it out to us (a man proficient in rijal).

 

According to Shia-Chat Admin, Brother Q'aim, who runs 'Ahlulbayt Daily' on facebook, has authored several interesting articles on christianity and Islam, and has translated a rich corpus of hadith on immamiyah, states:

"It is generally known that Ja'far as-Sadiq (as), the sixth Imam, was secondarily married to an African slave woman he had freed. The woman later gave birth to the seventh Imam, Musa al-Kadhim (as), making him half African. Al-Kadhim (as) also married an African slave, making his offspring three quarters African."

Source: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234977499-where-any-of-the-12-imams-as-mothers-black/

 

 

Conclusion:

1. Several of our imams a.s married African women

2. Our 11th Imam a.s was most likely already mixed race before marrying a black woman, making the 12th Imam a.s vastly mostly mixed race / black/african. (highly likely)

 

 

May Allah swt hasten his reapperance !

 

 

Edited January 10, 2016 by Tawheed313

[Irfani313]

Dear brother, I always thought the hadith quoted above was about Sayyeda Hajar, the wife of Imam and Nabi Ibraheem and the mother of Nabi Ismael.  Hajar was an African woman.

Besides, the race of the Imam does not matter at all.

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8 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

Dear brother, I always thought the hadith quoted above was about Sayyeda Hajar, the wife of Imam and Nabi Ibraheem and the mother of Nabi Ismael.  Hajar was an African woman.

Besides, the race of the Imam does not matter at all.

It is of the 12th Imam a.s, and indeed his race does not matter, but it is historically interesting to know. Furthermore, to those who decide to take up the erronous duty of actually drawing our imams a.s, they need to rectify drawing them all as arab-persians.

[mostafaa]

Salam Alaykum

1 hour ago, Tawheed313 said:

The hadith of her being a roman princess is regarded to be fabricated/VERY WEAK:

But I have read the story of her being the daughter of a Roman king several times and they are not black.(Al-Qeiba Sheikh Toosi, p 212, 213) And I think the story is well known.

Could you plz say why is it VERY WEAK?

Anyway being black or white is not important at all.

[guest050817]

1 minute ago, mostafaa said:

Salam Alaykum

But I have read the story of her being the daughter of a Roman king several times and they are not black.(Al-Qeiba Sheikh Toosi, p 212, 213) And I think the story is well known.

Could you plz say why is it VERY WEAK?

Anyway being black or white is not important at all.

The race of the imam a.s is not important, but it is still important to know for educational reasons and to dispel myths.

It is very weak due to its chain of narrators(Credit to Nader Zaveri)

Here is the famous story of the Narjis, mother of Imaam Mahdee (AS) being a Roman princess and being sold into slavery in order to marry our 11^th Imaam (AS). Her name is really Narjis, but the LONG story of her being a Roman princess and being sold into slavery is mawDoo’ (Fabricated).

Here are the sources to this hadeeth:

1. Al-Sadooq, Kamaal Al-Deen, vol. 2, ch. 41, pg. 417 - 423, hadeeth # 1

2. Al-Toosi, Ghaybah Al-Toosi, pg. 208

3. Al-Majlisi, Bihaar Al-Anwaar, vol. 51, ch. 1, pg. 6 - 10, hadeeth # 12

Here is the sanad (chain of narrators) to the story. (taken from Bihaar Al-Anwaar)

غط، [الغيبة للشيخ الطوسي‏] جَمَاعَةٌ عَنْ أَبِي الْمُفَضَّلِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ بَحْرِ بْنِ سَهْلٍ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ قَالَ قَالَ بِشْرُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ النَّخَّاسُ وَ هُوَ مِنْ وُلْدِ أَبِي أَيُّوبَ الْأَنْصَارِيِّ أَحَدُ مَوَالِي أَبِي الْحَسَنِ وَ أَبِي مُحَمَّدٍ وَ جَارُهُمَا بِسُرَّمَنْ‏رَأَى

Abee / Aboo Al-MufaDDal Al-Shaybaanee (Muhammad bin 'Abd Allaah Aboo Al-MufaDDal) is Da'eef (Weak) according to:

1. Al-Najaashee, Rijaal, pg. 396

2. Al-Hillee, Al-KhulaaSah, pg. 256 & pg. 252

3. Al-GhaDaa-iree, Kitaab Al-Du'afaa, pg. 99

4. Al-Toosi, Fihrist, pg. 402

5. Al-Toosi, Rijaal, pg. 447

6. Al-Khoei, Mu'jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 16, pg. 444, person # 11115

Muhammad bin BaHr bin Sahl Al-Shaybaanee is Ghullah (exaggerator) & MufawwiDa according to:

1. Al-Toosi, Rijaal, pg. 447

2. Al-Hillee, Al-KhulaaSah, pg. 254

3. Al-Toosi, Fihrist, pg. 390

4. Al-Najaashee, Rijaal, pg. 384

5. Al-GhaDaa-iree, Kitaab Al-Du'afaa, pg. 98

6. Al-Khoei, Mu'jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 15, pg. 122, person # 10297

Bishr bin Sulaymaan Al-Nakhaas is Majhool (Unknown) according to:

1. Al-Khoei, Mu'jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 3, pg. 316, person # 1755

Based off of this sanad (chain of narrators), this hadeeth is graded as MawDoo' (Fabricated) or at least a minimum of Da'eef Jiddan (VERY WEAK).

Also, here is what Al-Khoei has said regarding this hadeeth / story under Bishr bin Sulaymaan.

لكن في سند الرواية عدة مجاهيل، على أنك قد عرفت فيما تقدم أنه لا يمكن إثبات وثاقة شخص برواية نفسه.

"But the sanad (chain of narrators) in the hadeeth / story has many majhool (unknown) people, and you know that it one cannot establish his own trustworthiness through his own narration about himself"Source:

1. Al-Khoei, Mu'jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 3, pg. 316, person # 1755

 

 

 

 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

54 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

Dear brother, I always thought the hadith quoted above was about Sayyeda Hajar, the wife of Imam and Nabi Ibraheem and the mother of Nabi Ismael.  Hajar was an African woman.

Besides, the race of the Imam does not matter at all.

I know it does not matter what race the prophets, their wives or the Imams were but Lady Hajar was probably Coptic (ancient Egyptian), instead of Ku[Edited Out]e (ancient sub-Saharan person), the Copts are an Afro asiatic people and partly related to the Semetic people, it would be misleading to call Hajar "African".

[Gentleman]

On 1/9/2016 at 9:12 PM, Tawheed313 said:

It is of the 12th Imam a.s, and indeed his race does not matter, but it is historically interesting to know. Furthermore, to those who decide to take up the erronous duty of actually drawing our imams a.s, they need to rectify drawing them all as arab-persians.

maybe it is not the way but if we can relate our Imams to non-muslims closer, they may be encouraged to know more about us.

[Zendegi]

3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I know it does not matter what race the prophets, their wives or the Imams were but Lady Hajar was probably Coptic (ancient Egyptian), instead of Ku[Edited Out]e (ancient sub-Saharan person), the Copts are an Afro asiatic people and partly related to the Semetic people, it would be misleading to call Hajar "African".

That's like saying all Europeans are the same, Asian are all the same and all Middle Eastern are the same, basically the obvious generalisation. Even within African there is a multitude of different languages and appearances. Like you can easily tell apart an Ethiopian from an Nigerian or Berber. Its unfair we categorize Africans as all one group and ethnicity. There are even big differences within Sub-Saharan Africans.

We may as well generalize all Middle Easterners as being on big group, even though there are vast difference between Persian, Kurds, Turkish, Omanis and other groups in the region.

African is not a race or culture, its simply a geographical term to use for the inhabitants of the continent.

Funny thing if you look at the linguistics, anthropology and history you would find more in common with a Yemeni and Ethiopian/Eritrean, than an Ethiopian/Eritrean would with a Nigerian or Ugandan or even anEgyptian.

Neither according to OP is Black a race! That's like saying Germanic peoples like Anglos, Swedes and Dutch are the same as Slavic people like Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusian just because their both White!

 

Edited January 10, 2016 by Zendegi

[Gaius I. Caesar]

4 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

That's like saying all Europeans are the same, Asian are all the same and all Middle Eastern are the same, basically the obvious generalisation. Even within African there is a multitude of different languages and appearances. Like you can easily tell apart an Ethiopian/Eritrean from an Nigerian or Berber. Its unfair we categorize Africans as all one group and ethnicity. There are even big differences within Sub-Saharan Africans.

We may as well generalize all Middle Easterners as being on bug group, even though there are vast difference between Persian, Kurds, Turkish, Omanis and other groups in the region.

African is not a race or culture, its a geographical term to use for the inhabitants of the continent.

 

I know, sorry for the generalization, it was ignorant on my part even though that wasn't my intention but still the ancient Egyptians were totally different from the nearby Nubians, the people of Kush, Canaanites, Assyrians, Persians or the people of Punt. They had a unique culture unlike the other civilizations thriving in Africa and the Near East. I remember very distinctly reading  the Old Testament and it said Hajar was Egyptian but of course the Old Testament today is corrupted.

[Sumayyeh]

On 1/9/2016 at 10:08 PM, Tawheed313 said:

The race of the imam a.s is not important, but it is still important to know for educational reasons

Here are the sources to this hadeeth:

1. Al-Sadooq, Kamaal Al-Deen, vol. 2, ch. 41, pg. 417 - 423, hadeeth # 1

2. Al-Toosi, Ghaybah Al-Toosi, pg. 208

3. Al-Majlisi, Bihaar Al-Anwaar, vol. 51, ch. 1, pg. 6 - 10, hadeeth # 12

Here is the sanad (chain of narrators) to the story. (taken from Bihaar Al-Anwaar)

غط، [الغيبة للشيخ الطوسي‏] جَمَاعَةٌ عَنْ أَبِي الْمُفَضَّلِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ بَحْرِ بْنِ سَهْلٍ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ قَالَ قَالَ بِشْرُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ النَّخَّاسُ وَ هُوَ مِنْ وُلْدِ أَبِي أَيُّوبَ الْأَنْصَارِيِّ أَحَدُ مَوَالِي أَبِي الْحَسَنِ وَ أَبِي مُحَمَّدٍ وَ جَارُهُمَا بِسُرَّمَنْ‏رَأَى

 

 

Sorry if I missed it, but about the sanad in the first two sources (i.e. Al-Sadooq, and Al-Toosi)?

Do they narrate the same chain of narrators (and thus Dhaeef sources) rendered for the chain of narrators in Bihar?

[narsis]

Bismillah.

Salaam.

 

According to Ahādiīh our beloved Prophet (p) said that Mahdi (aj) is like me (Bihār, v.36, p.337-338) and we know that the Prophet (p)'s skin was white inclined to red (Kafi, v.1, p.443).

 

With Duas.

Narsis.

[Highflyer]

it is stupid to even discuss this. Islam  is against racism. 

[KingKong5200]

Even if he has some African genetics he wouldn't be black. A lot of ahadith say that he would have a face of Noor and that he would be white. Heck I even heard that he has some Jewish genetics

[simple-muslim]

Salaam, I love reading all the "even though it does not matter comments" followed by white or black. But I do think it is very interesting that this problem of race has, still, and will exist in the human consciousness for a very long time if not forever.  What is this obsession it seems shia have with their Imams being pale-white?  From the seerah of prophet Muhammed(pbuh) even he(pbuh) wasn't pale white, nor was he black.  From what I was thought he(pbuh) was a color in-between the two but inclined towards being white.  Just so you guys know they are many dark skinned Arabs and many Arabs who are mixed with African blood.  You have them in Yemen, Sudan, Mauritania etc and many Arab countries have black African populations including southern shia Iraq especially in Basra(where they are treated like trash by the way).  Anyway considering how racist and skin color obsessed many non-African Muslim communities are, I wonder how many people will follow the mahdi should he be darker then most expected him to be.  It still breaks my heart that Bilal Al-Habashi(ra) from my understanding could not find a wife from among the Arabs for this same race issue and he was a sahabi!!! Correct me if I'm wrong, I'll love to be wrong in this case.

One of the commentators mentions something about Afro-Asiatic Africans and how they are different from sub-saharan Africans, well it is true, they are not the same but both are Africans and treated as such in Arab countries. And there are many sub-saharan African Arabs. Although it doesn't matter Wallahi African Muslims are some of the best sincere pious Muslims I've ever met!!! Better then most Arabs!!! 

Edited January 10, 2016 by simple-muslim

[mina]

 I doubt that Imam Mahdi will 'be black by race' (whatever that means).

Even if is mother was black the bloodline and genetics of the father are in most cases way more dominant.I've seen lots hybrids with a black mother and  a white father.They were almost white and some even blue eyed.The other way round,with a black father and a white mother,they look way more black.So I think he will look most likely like his fore fathers smthg between dark skinned and white and that’s what narrations state.

Allahu alam.

[guest050817]

2 hours ago, mina said:

 I doubt that Imam Mahdi will 'be black by race' (whatever that means).

Even if is mother was black the bloodline and genetics of the father are in most cases way more dominant.I've seen lots hybrids with a black mother and  a white father.They were almost white and some even blue eyed.The other way round,with a black father and a white mother,they look way more black.So I think he will look most likely like his fore fathers smthg between dark skinned and white and that’s what narrations state.

Allahu alam.

Dear sister,

The 11th Imam a.s already had two generations of African mothers and grand mothers. So before marrying the blessed black lady who gave birth to our 12th Imam a.s, he was already probably mixed race himself. And so you need to consider what a mixed race arab/black/african individual, married to a black lady, will yield as a child.

From the evidences we have, it is highly likely our blessed imam a.s will be genetically mostly black, or mixed race.

Brown eye alleles are dominant to blue.  Even if its the father with blue - just to point out.

 

[guest050817]

8 hours ago, narsis said:

Bismillah.

Salaam.

 

According to Ahādiīh our beloved Prophet (p) said that Mahdi (aj) is like me (Bihār, v.36, p.337-338) and we know that the Prophet (p)'s skin was white inclined to red (Kafi, v.1, p.443).

 

With Duas.

Narsis.

Walaykum salam,

Dear brother/sister,

I have provided a saheeh hadith clearly stating the 12th Imam a.s's mother is black. Additionally i have provided evidence to suggest that some of the other imams a.s married out of their race, making the later imams a.s almost definitely mixed of race, before the 11th imam a.s married the blessed lady, who was black.

You have quoted Bihar Al Anwar to me, considering that Bihar Al Anwar is just a collection, a massive, of every hadith majlisi could find. It is well known the majority of bihar is full of weak hadith. Without providing a grading, one can not deem it as proof.

Additionally, even if Imam Mahdi a.s may be like rasullah s.a.w, this does not imply in race. Futhermore, it may imply other non physical characteristics.

 

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6 hours ago, KingKong5200 said:

Even if he has some African genetics he wouldn't be black. A lot of ahadith say that he would have a face of Noor and that he would be white. Heck I even heard that he has some Jewish genetics

You can be black and have a face of noor. Hazrat Bilal r.a had more noor than i hazard to say anyone on shia-chat can claim, even with the lightest of faces. Noor on the face and radiance does not equate to skin colour.

The saheeh hadith is explicit - his mother is black. The 11th imam a.s before marrying her was already mixed race.

[Sumerian]

37 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

You have quoted Bihar Al Anwar to me, considering that Bihar Al Anwar is just a collection, a massive, of every hadith majlisi could find. It is well known the majority of bihar is full of weak hadith. Without providing a grading, one can not deem it as proof.. 

From as-Sadiq from his forefathers عليهم السلام he said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم said: The Mahdi is from my sons, his name is my name and his kunya is my kunya. He is, of all people, the most similar to me in his form and his character. There will be an occultation and a perplexity regarding him until the people go astray from their religions. At that time, he will then appear like a shooting star and fill the Earth with equity and justice as it would be fraught with injustice and oppression. (Kamal ad-Deen) 

(muwathaq) (موثق)

[Translation by Qa'im]

Edited January 10, 2016 by The Batman

[guest050817]

8 hours ago, Highflyer said:

3 minutes ago, The Batman said:

From as-Sadiq from his forefathers عليهم السلام he said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم said: The Mahdi is from my sons, his name is my name and his kunya is my kunya. He is, of all people, the most similar to me in his form and his character. There will be an occultation and a perplexity regarding him until the people go astray from their religions. At that time, he will then appear like a shooting star and fill the Earth with equity and justice as it would be fraught with injustice and oppression. (Kamal ad-Deen) 

(muwathaq) (موثق) 

[Translation by Qa'im]

it is stupid to even discuss this. Islam  is against racism. 

This is a muwathaq hadith. I have presented a saheeh hadith stating the imam a.s's mother is black. We have evidences that many of the imams a.s are mixed race in addition to this. Furthermore, being similar in form does not mean the same race, perhaps he shares some physical features.

[Highflyer]

what are you trying to prove from all of this? who asked you if Imam is black or white? why you trying to create fitnah?

[Sumerian]

6 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

This is a muwathaq hadith. I have presented a saheeh hadith stating the imam a.s's mother is black. We have evidences that many of the imams a.s are mixed race in addition to this. Furthermore, being similar in form does not mean the same race, perhaps he shares some physical features.

1) The Imam [AS] is not obliged to have the same skin colour of his parents. It is possible that Allah [SWT] can make a baby lighter than both parents, or darker than both. This has happened throughout history and continues to happen.

Allah [SWT] is capable of All Things.

2) All the Imams [AS] had Arab blood. Where was Imam al-Askari's [AS] mother from?

3) When he [SAWW] says that he is the most similar to me in his form, is that not a general statement? Does form not include skin colour?

Edited January 10, 2016 by The Batman

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5 minutes ago, The Batman said:

1) The Imam [AS] is not obliged to have the same skin colour of his parents. It is possible that Allah [SWT] can make a baby lighter than both parents, or darker than both. This has happened throughout history and continues to happen.

Allah [SWT] is capable of All Things.

2) All the Imams [AS] had Arab blood. Where was Imam al-Askari's [AS] mother from?

3) When he [SAWW] says that he is the most similar to me in his form, is that not a general statement? Does form not include skin colour?

The 11th Imam is mixed african and arab, having several generations of african/ possibly black mothers.

The 12th Imam a.s's mother as per a saheeh hadith is black.

That makes him maybe only partially arab, and mostly african and black.

Whatever colour we can claim he has ended up, the fact remains our 12th imam a.s is most likely overwhelmingly african by race.

[Sumerian]

38 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

The 11th Imam is mixed african and arab, having several generations of african/ possibly black mothers.

The 12th Imam a.s's mother as per a saheeh hadith is black.

That makes him maybe only partially arab, and mostly african and black.

Whatever colour we can claim he has ended up, the fact remains our 12th imam a.s is most likely overwhelmingly african by race.

I have read that Imam al-Askari [AS] had a Moroccan mother. Which means, by today's standards, that his mother was North African.

But Moroccans, like most of North Africans, are not usually "black", as they are berbers.

[mina]

Point is,we carry more genes from our fathers,about 60% of our genes are from them.Since Imam Mahdi's af fore fathers weren't black it's most likely that he won't be as black as u assume.Like Batman said,North African aren't necessarily black.

[Sumerian]

48 minutes ago, mina said:

Point is,we carry more genes from our fathers,about 60% of our genes are from them.Since Imam Mahdi's af fore fathers weren't black it's most likely that he won't be as black as u assume.Like Batman said,North African aren't necessarily black.

Indeed. Some North Africans can actually be considered "white", I have even heard of blonde hair North Africans with white skin.

[Sumayyeh]

***What's concerning to me is if indeed the story of Narjes (a) is untrue of her being a Roman princess, why is it so commonly reported? I never heard of her possibly having African roots till now 

[guest050817]

2 hours ago, The Batman said:

I have read that Imam al-Askari [AS] had a Moroccan mother. Which means, by today's standards, that his mother was North African.

But Moroccans, like most of North Africans, are not usually "black", as they are berbers.

If the blessed Imam did have a morrocan mother, this applies to the 10th Imam a.s's wife. However we know that the other imams a.s mothers were african slaves:

According to Shia-Chat Admin, Brother Q'aim, who runs 'Ahlulbayt Daily' on facebook, has authored several interesting articles on christianity and Islam, and has translated a rich corpus of hadith on immamiyah, states:

"It is generally known that Ja'far as-Sadiq (as), the sixth Imam, was secondarily married to an African slave woman he had freed. The woman later gave birth to the seventh Imam, Musa al-Kadhim (as), making him half African. Al-Kadhim (as) also married an African slave, making his offspring three quarters African."

Source: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234977499-where-any-of-the-12-imams-as-mothers-black/

So even before we get to the 10th imam marrying a morocan woman, there is a high chance two noble black women were the mothers of two Imams a.s.before this.

The 12th Imams a.s's mother was a black lady.

So taking this all into account, genetically speaking , he is probably mostly african, highly likely mostly black-african by genetics.

He can still resemble the prophet s.a.w ofcourse. My mother and father - neither are black- but are different races, and i look like my grand father. My brother looks nothing like my grandfather. So it is possible to have a mix of races, and retain certian features, but i can not speculate.

Imam Hasan a.s looked a lot like rasullah s.a.w. His grandson could also have resembled the prophet s.a.w a lot. And his Grandson after that, even if there was intermingling of races. But alahu'alam. I can't speculate.

All i have to say is, there is far more evidence to say he is genetically mostly black.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Tawheed313

[guest050817]

47 minutes ago, Sumayyeh said:

***What's concerning to me is if indeed the story of Narjes (a) is untrue of her being a Roman princess, why is it so commonly reported? I never heard of her possibly having African roots till now 

The mother of the sevent imam was an african slave. The seventh imam himself married an african slave himself, making the 8th imam 3/4 african and 1/4 arab.

There is also a Saheeh hadith that the 11th imam married a black bondswoman, making the 12th imam a.s highly african in genetics.

There may be many reasons you aren't told this. One is ignorance. Another could be a different intepretation. Another, the most sickening one, is closet racism.

[Sumerian]

14 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

If the blessed Imam did have a morrocan mother, this applies to the 10th Imam a.s's wife. However we know that the other imams a.s mothers were african slaves:

According to Shia-Chat Admin, Brother Q'aim, who runs 'Ahlulbayt Daily' on facebook, has authored several interesting articles on christianity and Islam, and has translated a rich corpus of hadith on immamiyah, states:

"It is generally known that Ja'far as-Sadiq (as), the sixth Imam, was secondarily married to an African slave woman he had freed. The woman later gave birth to the seventh Imam, Musa al-Kadhim (as), making him half African. Al-Kadhim (as) also married an African slave, making his offspring three quarters African."

Source: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234977499-where-any-of-the-12-imams-as-mothers-black/

So even before we get to the 10th imam marrying a morocan woman, there is a high chance two noble black women were the mothers of two Imams a.s.before this.

The 12th Imams a.s's mother was a black lady.

So taking this all into account, genetically speaking , he is probably mostly african, highly likely mostly black-african by genetics.

He can still resemble the prophet s.a.w ofcourse. My mother and father - neither are black- but are different races, and i look like my grand father. My brother looks nothing like my grandfather. So it is possible to have a mix of races, and retain certian features, but i can not speculate.

 

If I am not mistaken either, the mother of Imam al-Hadi [AS] was Moroccan as well as the mother of Imam al-Askari [AS]. 

Edited January 10, 2016 by The Batman

[Sumayyeh]

18 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

The mother of the sevent imam was an african slave. The seventh imam himself married an african slave himself, making the 8th imam 3/4 african and 1/4 arab.

There is also a Saheeh hadith that the 11th imam married a black bondswoman, making the 12th imam a.s highly african in genetics.

There may be many reasons you aren't told this. One is ignorance. Another could be a different intepretation. Another, the most sickening one, is closet racism.

That's very interesting, thanks for sharing brother. Although I still have reservations on totally discounting the Sanad from the first two sources (before the mention of Bihar) regarding Narjes (a); especially because I've also heard that her original name was "Maleeka".  

Edited January 10, 2016 by Sumayyeh

[guest050817]

9 minutes ago, Sumayyeh said:

That's very interesting, thanks for sharing brother. Although I still have reservations on totally discounting the Sanad from the first two sources (before the mention of Bihar) regarding Narjes (a)

There is more to that story than just the sanad dear sister. I remember a good article discussing how it is actually historically inaccurate, among other reasons for it being very farfetched.

I won't discount it, but i certianly won't spread or act upon that story. I will stick to the more sound hadith on this matter.

 

[Sumerian]

19 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

"It is generally known that Ja'far as-Sadiq (as), the sixth Imam, was secondarily married to an African slave woman he had freed. The woman later gave birth to the seventh Imam, Musa al-Kadhim (as), making him half African. Al-Kadhim (as) also married an African slave, making his offspring three quarters African."

Yes she was African and a slave. But from where? I just read in Arabic that she was also a berber from North Africa.

You can even read that her on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidah_Khatun#Marriage_and_offspring

Read under the part, "Family Life" which describes the family of Imam al-Sadiq [AS] and it mentions that she was indeed ethnically from North Africa.

[guest050817]

2 minutes ago, The Batman said:

Yes she was African and a slave. But from where? I just read in Arabic that she was also a berber from North Africa.

You can even read that her on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidah_Khatun#Marriage_and_offspring

Read under the part, "Family Life" which describes the family of Imam al-Sadiq [AS] and it mentions that she was indeed ethnically from North Africa.

This is a good point. So apart from the 12th imam a.s's mother who was definitely black, the other four african slaves were north -african in linieage?

I will have to do more research on that. It may be she came from north Africa, but could still be black by race?

But good points, Allahu'alam i will research further.

[Sumerian]

7 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

This is a good point. So apart from the 12th imam a.s's mother who was definitely black, the other four african slaves were north -african in linieage?

I will have to do more research on that. It may be she came from north Africa, but could still be black by race?

But good points, Allahu'alam i will research further.

I think that the mother of Imam al-Jawad [AS] was Nubian, and Nubians are black in colour. Not quite sure though.

I have read a comment on this website where one user mentions that Imam al-Jawad [AS] was very dark skinned.

Other than that, I have not heard of a dark skinned mother of any Imam [AS] other than Imam al-Jawad [AS] and Imam al-Mahdi [AS].

As for the other Imams [AS] with African mothers, their mothers seem to be from North Africa.