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Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?

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Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?  

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  1. 1. Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?

    • Bernie Sanders
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    • Hillary Clinton
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    • Donald Trump
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    • Rand Paul
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    • Ben Carson
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    • Jeb Bush
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    • Chris Christie
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    • Ted Cruz
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7 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I am getting this sinking feeling that there is collusion between Hillary and Trump behind the scenes.

(Even though Sanders is doing good in the poles, he has very little chance of winning )

The 'establishment' may be trying to clear the field for a Hillary win. 

If the general election is Hillary (an establishment, career politician) vs

Trump (the loudest clown in the clown car) people don't like Hillary and don't think she will do anything good for the country and is firmly in the back pocket of Zionists / Mega Corporations but with a choice between her and Trump, people will flee to safety(the herd mentality) and vote for Hillary, another anti-vote. 

 

More than likely.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Haydar Husayn said:

But hey, as long as people are fed and entertained, they won't really care. Certainly not enough to risk what they've got.

Like Rome right before it fell. It was dead from within before the Ostrogoths showed up at the gates. 

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55 minutes ago, notme said:

Like Rome right before it fell. It was dead from within before the Ostrogoths showed up at the gates. 

True. The rot within is not diagnosed in time. Even when it is, there is a high level of denial about how things actually stand. Things come to a head before the rulers can take remedial action. This has been the story of the rise and fall of every powerful entity. External factors are often catalytic excuses.

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9 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

aSalaamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabaraatuh, 

This is something very dangerous that you are doing here and promoting brother. Don't promote misguidance. Fear Allah swt.

 

 

You should refrain from making such comments, when you don't or can't see the matter which is brought here.  When a person doesn't understand what is presented to him it is better to remain quite if no proof can be brought forward to challenge it, rather than use words as "idiotic", etc.  It is also better than bringing hundred other matters into the main one. And the main matter is that participating or having anything to do with (promoting, etc) elections in Islam is haram. Because Supremacy is for Allah swt alone, not for the people. I don't know if you are a Shia, but if you are you need to reconsider your thinking. 

And how can a Shia Muslim that has all of his mind present, participate or promote elections in a system that challenges the system of Allah swt, the only one which a Muslim should obey ? This is your own thinking. If you or any other Shia of Ali has got a proof from the Holy Quran or the narrations that participating or promoting elections is lawful, please show it. 

"he is quite secular minded and open". In above posts it was shown that the individual Bernie Sanders very eagerly defends the right to abortions, it is one of his fundamental principles and Allah swt tells us in the Holy Quran that such people are transgressors. America the Great Dajjal approved same sex marriages an eternal shame in the face of humankind. Does Bernie Sanders say that when he becomes a president he will overrule this or does he support it and defends it.  You want to participate and promote the elections and the system of America the Great Dajjal which is mocking the divine laws of Allah swt?  If you are a Muslim and defend such a thing and a person, then you need to reconsider what religion you follow. 

Also his religion wasn't mentioned, nor was there any mention that he is a Zionist because he is Jewish. America itself is a Zionist entity, and a so called President of it cannot change that, rather a person that is put forward for such position is nothing but a puppet that will not challenge anything and that is in consent with America's principles and rather the things that he says in his campaign is a script and he is just filling the role which his masters from above him want him to. It doesn't matter if he has whatever religion, like all the American president puppets before which did and do things against religion and most importantly against the religion of Allah swt. And this Judeo-Christian entity called America was built on materialism, and world domination, hegemony, and imposing its secular anti religious thinking on the world, mocking the divine laws, mocking the Prophets and Messengers pbut. 

If you choose man made laws over the divine laws of Allah swt you will have to answer in front of the One who said : And I placed in the Earth for you a Successor (Ruler), the Lord of the Worlds. Ya Allah. 

if you dont mind saying mr anderson, who do you support this election?

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17 hours ago, em said:

if you dont mind saying mr anderson, who do you support this election?

I don't support anybody in this election or in any other elections. I support the Caliph and Hujja pbuh that Allah swt has placed as a Ruler over mankind. Supremacy of Allah over supremacy of the people. 

Imam Mahdi (AS), when Sa’d b. ‘Abdillah al-Qummi asked him the reason why people cannot elect an Imam for themselves, replied,

‘Would he be a righteous man or a corrupt man?’

I said, ‘Righteous.’

He said, ‘Is it possible that the selected individual be actually corrupt, for no one really knows what passes through another’s mind, in terms of their righteousness or corruption?’

I said, ‘Yes’.

He said, ‘That is the reason why.’

- [Nur al-Thaqalayn, v. 2, p. 76, no. 283]

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Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said, ‘Whoever associates with an Imam chosen by Allah a leader whose leadership is not endorsed by Allah, [is tantamount to having] ascribed a partner to Allah.’

- [Ibid. p. 373, no. 6]

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The Prophet (SAWA) said, ‘Verily your Imams are your representatives before Allah, therefore be careful whom you follow in your religion and your prayers.’

- [Bihar al-Anwar, v. 23, p. 30, p. 46]

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Imam al-Sadiq (AS) said, ‘When the Day of Judgment comes… an address will come from Allah, the Exalted, saying, ‘Lo! whosoever accepts the leadership of an Imam in the worldly abode should follow him wherever he takes him, hence ‘those who were followed will disown the followers…’

- [Bihar al-Anwar, v. 8, p. 10, no. 3]

No one can choose a Caliph except the Almighty Allah. By Shaykh as-Sadouq

Almighty Allah says:

And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a vicegerent… (Surah al Baqarah 2:30)

There is a ‘tanween’ on ‘Jaa-il’ here and this is a right, which Allah has kept only for Himself. He says:

Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust! (Surah Saad 38:17)

Here, there is a ‘tanween’ on ‘khaaliq’, which is an attribute selected by Allah only for Himself. Therefore if a person claims that he has the right to elect a caliph then he should be asked to create a man out of dust. If this is not possible for him, the second thing is also out of his capacity because both of them have the same origin. The angels did not have the right to appoint a caliph in spite of their excellence and infallibility. Almighty Allah did this job on His own and made it a proof on His creatures that there is no way for you to appoint an Imam. The Angels did not have any way to appoint an Imam in spite of their pure intentions, loyalty and infallibility. Almighty Allah has praised them in many verses, as in the following:

Nay! They are honored servants; They do not precede Him in speech and (only) according to His commandment do they act. (Surah Anbiya 21:26-27)

And in another verse as:

They do not disobey Allah in what He commands them, and do as they are commanded. (Surah Tahrim 66:6)

How can a man who has a defective mind, foolishness and ignorance do this job perfectly? We can see that Almighty Allah did not leave any commandment including Salaat, Zakat, and Hajj etc. to the wish of man. Then how is it possible to hand over the choice of the most important of all aspects to man?

- [Kamaaluddin wa Tamaamun Ni’ma Volume 1, P. 21]

Right to appoint (elect) leaders.

Abu Muhammad al-Qasim ibn al-’Ala’has narrated from ‘Ad al-’Aziz ibn Muslim the following:

“We had been with Imam Reza (asws) at Marw. During an assembly in the central mosque on Friday, we attended the gathering. It was when we had just arrived (in Marw). People spoke and discussed about the issue of Imamate (Leadership with Divine Authority). All the differing opinions among people in this matter came up. I then went to see my Moula (asws) and informed Him of the people’s controversies over the issue of leadership.

The Imam (asws) smiled and then said the following: ”O ‘Abd al-’Aziz, people are ignorant and their opinions have mislead and deceived them. Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, did not cause His Holy Prophet (saw) to leave this world before completing for Him the religion.

Allah sent Him the Holy Quran in which all things are clearly explained. Allah has explained in the Holy Quran what is lawful (halal) and what is unlawful (haram). He has explained totally the limits and the rules for all issues that people may face in the affairs of life. Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, has said, “We have left nothing without a mention of it in the Book. . . .” (6:38)

During the last visit of the Holy Prophet (saw) to Makka for pilgrimage towards the end of His life the following verse of the Holy Quran was sent to Him. “On this day I have perfected your religion, completed My favors to you, and have chosen Islam as your religion. . . .” (5:3) The issue of Imamate (leadership) is part of the completion of religion.

The Holy Prophet (s.a.w) did not leave this world before explaining to His followers the principles of their religion and show them the path clearly, and He left them on a point of a path that faced the direction of the truth. He raised Ali (asws) amongst them as a flag and Imam. He did not leave anything that His followers needed without full explanation. Those who think that Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, has not completed His religion, they rejected the book of Allah and those who reject the book of Allah they have become expressed unbelievers in it.

Do they realize the value and the status of the Imamate of the ‘Umma (the nation) to justify their selection? Imamate in fact, is far sublime in values, greatest in position, highest in status, the most exclusive issue in all aspects, the most profound and deep for the intellect of the people to reach and grasp it in their opinions, or to appoint an Imam through their selection. The Imamate is that particular distinction which Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, has distinguished Ibrahim, the very close friend (al-Khalil), after Prophet hood. This close friendship is the third stage in the progression of spiritual degrees.

It is a virtue with which, He honored him and established his fame. He then said, “Behold! I have made you an Imam for the people”. Abraham, the close friend, then out of delight pleaded “Please let it be in my offspring also.” Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, said, “My covenant does not go to the unjust ones.” (2:124)

Thus, this verse has declared Imamate of all the unjust ones as unlawful till the Day of Judgment and it has established it for those clean and free of evil and injustice. Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, bestowed him more honors in establishing Imamate in purified and clean persons of his offspring.

“We granted him Isaac and Jacob as a gift and helped both of them to become righteous people (21:72). We appointed them as leaders to guide the people through Our command and sent them revelation to strive for good deeds, worship their Lord, and pay religious tax. Both of them were Our worshipping servants.” (21:73)

So the Imamate remained in his offspring inheriting it from each other, generation after generation, until Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, made Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) to inherit it. And He, Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, said, “The nearest people to Abraham, among mankind, are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad) and the true believers. Allah is the Guardian of the true believers.” (3:68)

So the Imamate belonged to Him particularly, and He (s.a.w), then, entrusted Imam Ali (asws) with it by the command of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, as He had made it obligatory.

It then came to be in Ali (asws)’s purified offspring who are free of all sins, to whom Allah has given knowledge and faith, as in the words of He Who is Most High. “Those who have received knowledge and have faith will say, “By the decree of Allah, you have remained for the exact period which was mentioned in the Book of God about the Day of Resurrection. This is the Day of Resurrection, but you did not know.” (30:56)

Imamate will remain in the Sons of Imam Ali (asws) exclusively, till the Day of Judgment and there will no prophet after Muhammad (saw). Wherefrom then have these ignorant people received the right to select Imams? ” Imamate is, certainly, the position of the prophets, and the inheritance of the successors. Imamate indeed, is the representation (khilafa) of Allah and the deputy of the Messenger (s.a.w), and the office of Amir al-mu’minin (asws) and the inheritance of Imam Hasan (asws) and Imam Hussain (asws)

“Imamate is, in fact, the reins of the religion, the social system of the Muslims. It is best for the world, and honor for the believers. Imamate (Islamic leadership) is Islam’s maturing root, and its towering branch. Through the Imam (asws)prayers are complete, Zakat, (charity) is paid, fasting, is maintained, Hajj is performed and Jihad, proper defense is exercised, the wealth of the nation (fay’) and charity (sadaqat) are increased, the laws are enforced and the frontiers are protected and defended.

“The Imam (asws) declares as lawful what Allah has done so and prohibits what Allah has prohibited. He enforces the criminal laws of Allah, defends the religion of Allah and he provides guidance with wisdom, good advice and with the topmost strong evidence.

“The Imam (asws) is like the risen sun that beautifies the world with its light and is in the horizon above the harm of hands and eyes. The Imam (asws) is as the bright moon, the shining lamp, the brilliant light, and the guiding star in the depth of darkness, in the middle of the towns, in the wilderness and the high seas. The Imam (asws) is as crystal-clear water to thirst, an indicator of true guidance and the protector against destruction. The Imam (asws) is as fire of a lighthouse that provides warmth and guidance for those who seek heat protection against fatalities. Whoever would depart him would perish.

“The Imam (asws) (in terms of blessings) is as the rain-bearing cloud, the drenching rainfall, the shining sun, the shadow providing sky, the open fields, the gushing forth spring, as a pond and a garden. The Imam (asws) is as a comforting friend, a very kind father, a real brother, a tenderhearted mother of a small child, a refuge for people in disastrous conditions. The Imam (asws) is Allah’s trustee over His creatures, His authority over His servants, His representative in His lands, the preacher of His cause and the defender of His sanctuary.

“The Imam (asws) is clean of sins, free of faults, possesses special knowledge and is distinguished in forbearance. The Imam (asws) maintains law and order in religion. He is the might of the Muslims to enrages the hypocrites, and futile to unbelievers. The Imam (asws) is the peerless person of his time, no-one can reach even near his rank in virtue and no scholar is comparable to him. His is exclusive in all virtues of which none is acquired or is sought after; in fact, his virtues are all bestowed up on him by the source of all virtue, the Generous One.

Who is he that can know all about the Imam (asws), or can select him? To affirm the ability of selection is very far from the truth. Intellects have become confused, understanding has lost the meaning, awareness is frustrated, eyes have become dull and tired, the great ones have become humble, the sagacious ones have become bewildered and people of forbearance have lost patience.

The orators have become speechless, the intelligent ones have become ignorant and the poets have become exhausted. The man-of-letter has become helpless, people of eloquence have turned wordless to speak of any of the aspects of his status or a virtue of his virtues and instead have confessed their helplessness in the matter. How can one speak of him in full, or describe him in the real sense or understand anything of his affairs or find an alternative for him sufficient for what he sufficed. There is no such thing and no where such is found.

He is like a star away from the reach of those who try to reach, or those who try to describe. Where does the idea of selecting him would then stand in such case? How can then reasons and intellects reach him and where can one find a person like the Imam (asws)?

“Would they think that such a person can be found outside the family of RasoolAllah (saw)? Their souls, I swear by Allah, have told them a lie. Falsehood has induced in them evil hopes. Be on your guard.

They intend to raise the Imam (asws) by their confused, fruitless and faulty intellects and their misleading opinions. It would do nothing good except taking them away from the truth. (May Allah be their adversary. Where are they headed.) (Holy Quran 9:30) They have aimed at a difficult task and have spoken something meaningless.

They have strayed far away from the truth and have faced huge confusions. They have knowingly ignored the Imam (asws).It is Shaitan who, has made their deeds to seem attractive to them and has blocked them from reaching the path of guidance when they know it fully.

They have turned from the choice of Allah and His Messenger and His family to accept their own choice. The Holy Quran calls up on them,“Your Lord creates and chooses (to grant mercy) to whomever He wants. (In matters of guidance) they (unbelievers) do not have the choice to choose whatever they want.Allah is too exalted to be considered equal to anything else.” (28:68) Quran also says, “The believing men and women must not feel free to do something in their affairs other than that which has been already decided for them by God and His Messenger. One who disobeys God and His Messenger is in plain error. (33:36)

Quran further says, “What is the matter with you? How could you judge this to be so? (68:36). Do you have a book from which you study (68:37) that tells you to do whatever you want? (68:38). Do you have a covenant with Us which allows you to do whatever you want until the Day of Judgment? (68:39).

(Muhammad), ask which of them can guarantee that on the Day of Judgment (68:40). They will receive the same thing that the Muslims will? Do they have any witness to such an agreement? Let them bring out such witness, if they are truthful.” (68:41).

Again the Holy Quran says, “Is it that they do not think about the Quran or are their hearts sealed?” (47:24) Or as it says, “. . . their hearts were sealed and they were left with no understanding.” (9:87) or like, “Do not be like those who said that they have heard (the Messenger’s commands) but do not pay any attention to them (8:21).

The most wicked beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb who have no understanding (8:22). Had they possessed any virtue, Allah would certainly have made them hear. Even if Allah were to make them hear, they would still turn away from (the words of Allah).” (8:23) or like, “you said that you had listened but you disobeyed.. . .” (2:93) It is the grace from Allah and He gives to whoever He wills. Allah is possesses great generosity.

How would they have the right to choose the Imam (asws)? The Imam (asws) is one that is not ignorant of anything. He enjoys the blessings of the exclusive prayers of the Messenger of Allah and of being of the progeny of the Holy Lady, al- Batool (sa). There is not a question about Their genealogical purity.

He is of the house of Quraysh and the top most in clan of Hashim and of the family of the Messenger of Allah, enjoying the happiness of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, is the honor of all nobility. He is of the offspring of ‘Abd al-Manaf. He possesses a body of increasing knowledge. He is perfect in forbearance, the only one to qualify for the position of Imamate (leadership).

He has full knowledge of the politics, whose obedience is obligatory by the command of Allah. He is appointed for Imamate by the command of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High to give good advice to the servants of Allah and to protect the religion of Allah. Allah grants success and support to the prophets and the Imams (asws) through His treasured knowledge and command in a way that is granted to no one else. Thus, Their knowledge is above the knowledge of the people of Their times as mentioned in the following words of Allah. “Is the one who guides to the Truth a proper guide or one who himself cannot find guidance unless he is guided (by others)? What is wrong with you that you judge (so unjustly)?” (10:35) and in, “Whoever is given wisdom, certainly, has received much good. . . .” (2:269). Or as about Talut in the following words, “Allah has chosen him as your ruler and has given him physical power and knowledge. Allah grants His authority to anyone whom He wants. Allah is Provident and All-knowing. (2:247) or as He has said about His Prophet (saw.),“Allah has revealed the Book to you, has given you wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know. Certainly Allah’s favor to you has been great.” (4:113)

He also said about the Imams (asws) from the family of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) “Are they jealous of the favors that God has done to some people? We have given to the family of Abraham the Book, Wisdom, and a great Kingdom (4:54). Some have believed, others have disbelieved and tried to prevent people from believing. For these people, only the intense fire of hell is a sufficient punishment.” (4:55)

When Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, chooses a person for the affairs of His servants, He opens his heart for the task, places in it the fountains of wisdom and inspires him with knowledge. He then never becomes tired of answering questions and never becomes confused to miss the right answer. He is infallible, Divinely supported, successful and guarded. He is immune from sins and shortcomings and faults. Allah has granted Him this exclusively so that He would serve as the Divine authority over His servant, as a witness over them and this is grace of Allah that He grant to whoever He wills and Allah’s grace is the greatest. Can one amongst the people have such things so they would choose him as the Imam (asws) or can their selected person have such distinctions to be preferred over the others?

They, swearing to the house of Allah, have transgressed against the truth and have thrown the book of Allah behind their backs as if they do not know. In the book of Allah there is guidance and cure but they have ignored it and have followed their own desires. For this reason Allah has criticized, expressed anger and condemned them in His words as follows. “Who strays more than one who follows his desires without guidance from Allah? Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (28:50) .

“The fate of the unbelievers will be to stumble and their deeds will have no virtuous results;” (47:8)

“This act greatly angers Allah and the believers. Thus does Allah seal the hearts of every arrogant oppressor.” (40:35).

May Allah grant blessings up on Prophet Muhammad and His family and may He grant them peace, a great deal of peace.”

- (Al Kafi H 523 Ch 15 h 1)

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On 1/28/2016 at 8:39 AM, notme said:

If it comes down to a choice between Trump and Hilary, we know the whole system has completely failed. It's either time for a revolution, or every voting age American should just shoot themselves or move to Mexico (if the votes even matter). (Sorry for the sudden influx of refugees, Mexico.) 

In my lifetime (just over 40 years) I've not seen one good president of the United States. All governments fail eventually. I think the one here was good, has good a solid basis, but only has an effective life of about 200 years.

I hope to be proven wrong.

I think most non brainwashed people realized along time ago that it's time for a revolution. 

But a revolution needs a leader. Who will lead it. 

Who has a high degree of credibility with both blacks and whites, liberals and conservatives, 

Southerners and Northerners, and who is willing to directly challenge the political establishment

and big corporations. I don't see anyone like that. If there was, I would support him/her. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Who has a high degree of credibility with both blacks and whites, liberals and conservatives, 

Southerners and Northerners, and who is willing to directly challenge the political establishment

and big corporations. I don't see anyone like that. If there was, I would support him/her. 

There first thing we need to do before anything good can happen is stop dividing ourselves into groups! The only one of these groups that you mention that is a real division is liberal/conservative, and by definition conservatives don't have revolutions. 

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I would vote as follows: 

Hilary vs. Trump : Trump

Bernie vs. Trump: Bernie 

Anything else: I couldn't care less and will exercise my right not to vote. 

 

Why Trump ? Cause he may not be all that great for the US Muslims, but then fact is we have it way better than most Muslims in Muslim majority countries, and loss of a some civil liberties won't be all that bad, I think. BUT Trump is not an imperialist - let's go to war at the drop of a feather of some bird flying over head - he may be all gun ho - but he opposed the wars in Iraq, Libya, and clearly stated who is really responsible for ISIS. That attitude will be better for Muslims where they are being attacked all the time. AND no matter how zio he may appear at this time, he will be far more independent than the rest of the crew (including Bernie). 

Bernie's over Trump - because on the balance he will be better both domestically and may not be as good as Trump, but not horrendous either... so he marginally beats Trump. 

 

 

 

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On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 8:22 PM, notme said:

There first thing we need to do before anything good can happen is stop dividing ourselves into groups! The only one of these groups that you mention that is a real division is liberal/conservative, and by definition conservatives don't have revolutions. 

Politically incorrect -in a socialist gov't kind of way. So now you see "why" the gov't and liberals are always promoting "diversity". Divide and Conquer/Divide is Control/Bread & Circus.

I'd write more but l'll miss the next installment of "Who is doing Nothing" on TV.

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 9:11 PM, skylight2 said:

I would vote as follows: 

Hilary vs. Trump : Trump

Bernie vs. Trump: Bernie 

Anything else: I couldn't care less and will exercise my right not to vote. 

 

Why Trump ? Cause he may not be all that great for the US Muslims, but then fact is we have it way better than most Muslims in Muslim majority countries, and loss of a some civil liberties won't be all that bad, I think. BUT Trump is not an imperialist - let's go to war at the drop of a feather of some bird flying over head - he may be all gun ho - but he opposed the wars in Iraq, Libya, and clearly stated who is really responsible for ISIS. That attitude will be better for Muslims where they are being attacked all the time. AND no matter how zio he may appear at this time, he will be far more independent than the rest of the crew (including Bernie). 

Bernie's over Trump - because on the balance he will be better both domestically and may not be as good as Trump, but not horrendous either... so he marginally beats Trump. 

 

 

 

l'll agree with this.

With Bernie, he has no indicators of a starry-eyed socialist/social-democrat and he is not a gun-control nut.

With Trump, it is his ego: that can make him a very bad el-Presidente or a very good President.

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Bernie is finished, he does not want the Presidency, he just wanted to run... and run he has far away from the Presidency.  This was all a charade to bring the disenchanted back to the fold of the imperialist Democratic Party.  Trump is also down but not just out yet.  

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34 minutes ago, skylight2 said:

Bernie is finished, he does not want the Presidency, he just wanted to run... and run he has far away from the Presidency.  This was all a charade to bring the disenchanted back to the fold of the imperialist Democratic Party.  Trump is also down but not just out yet.  

 

I highly doubt that. Bernie is more determined now than ever given his surging popularity.  If anything, it's Trump who is running to win not to become President.  

Hillary is a bought and paid for Wall Street and AIPAC puppet while the other Republican candidates are itching to start WW3.  Bernie is the only sane option.

 

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