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Abu-Jafar Herz

Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?

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Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?  

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  1. 1. Who do you want to see win the 2016 presidential elections?

    • Bernie Sanders
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    • Hillary Clinton
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    • Donald Trump
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    • Rand Paul
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    • Ben Carson
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    • Jeb Bush
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    • Chris Christie
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    • Ted Cruz
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4 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Why do you have to choose a lesser evil if all options are evil? In this case the evils are one and the same. Bernie Sanders also supports abortion and same sex marriages.

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Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.  5:32

You would vote for somebody who is a transgressor and goes against Allah swt's laws? You would vote in the elections of America, which approved same sex marriage bill, America which is mocking Allah swt's divine laws. Why would you vote in elections, the same elections which took the right of Ali ibn Abi Talib pbuh as a Caliph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210778/Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-revealed-distant-cousins-family-trees-share-set-royal-ancestors.html

They are all actors, playing as opponents in front of the people. When looking at this picture do you really think that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are some kind of opponents?


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true. but i usually look at the candidate that's least likely to take this country to war again.

you're never going to find a perfect candidate running for president in america.

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52 minutes ago, Mr. Anderson said:

It looks like this was secularchat, not shiachat

We are not electing the president of ShiaChat.

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"As a president I will do everything I can to protect and preserve a woman's right to abortion."

Only if he had protected George Bush Sr's wife's right to abortion, the world would have been a safer place.

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1 minute ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I find it interesting the upcoming US Presidential Race in November is receiving more "press" on Shia Chat than the end of February Elections in Iran.

All the Best,

David

I find it interesting that you avoided my question.

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On 1/25/2016 at 11:28 AM, Mr. Anderson said:

It looks like this was secularchat, not shiachat

Hamas is a group of nawasib fools who are harming their own people just to get media attention. They are also traitors and back biters, this is why Hezbollah stopped supporting them.

So Bernie Sanders is right not to support Hamas, also Hamas is infiltrated by Israel even according to their own officials.

Bernie Sanders is not a Zionist, but at the same time he isn't going to openly support a group that will keep him out of office, its politics and sometimes you have to walk the walk and use your wisdom in order to get things done.

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31 minutes ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I find it interesting the upcoming US Presidential Race in November is receiving more "press" on Shia Chat than the end of February Elections in Iran.

All the Best,

David

Why? There are a lot more Americans than Iranians on shiachat.

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^^ Hello,

Sorry Abu-Jafar.  I missed your question the first time.  I agree with Trump on immigration.  We must do a better job at controlling our borders.  And, we must do a better job of knowing the background of those we are letting in legally.  Trump is pro gun ownership for law abiding citizens. And, Trump is for simplifying the tax code.  Here is a link to his web page, you can make a donation there if you like.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/

25 minutes ago, notme said:

Why? There are a lot more Americans than Iranians on shiachat.

Uh.....because there is a dedicated section on ShiaChat called "Iran Politics and Analysis."  I see no dedicated section for "United States of America Politics and Analysis."  Or, "Canadian Politics and Analysis."  Isn't the founder of Shia Chat Canadian?

Because many here look to Iran as the center of the Shia world.

And, because the next class of Assembly of Experts to be elected on 26 February will most likely elect the next Supreme Leader of Iran.  I would expect this, and the near exclusion of "moderates" from running for the Assembly to at least warrant a thread.

All the Best,

David

 

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2 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I find it interesting the upcoming US Presidential Race in November is receiving more "press" on Shia Chat than the end of February Elections in Iran.

All the Best,

David

It's a domestic election. 99% of the people here don't even know the candidates, let alone what the election is about. It's like the senators being elected in the US, rest of the world doesn't really care or know about it because it's mostly interesting domestically, if even that. 

And it's not really that interesting. Majority of the people getting elected are from last term anyways, how many mujtahids do you think a country has? It's only that many mujtahids you can pick from and people tend to pick candidates they know well and have a good track record. 

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Hello,

4 minutes ago, repenter said:

It's a domestic election. 99% of the people here don't even know the candidates, let alone what the election is about. It's like the senators being elected in the US, rest of the world doesn't really care or know about it because it's mostly interesting domestically, if even that. 

I disagree.  As I mentioned, those elected to the Assembly of Elders will in all likelihood select the next Supreme Leader of Iran.  And that selection will have a huge impact on how Iran interacts with the rest of the World in the coming years.  It is far from an election with only domestic implications.

Much of the World knows this.  It is obvious the different "interest" in Iran know this.  I am surprised you do not.

All the Best,

David

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^^ Hello,

Sorry Abu-Jafar.  I missed your question the first time.  I agree with Trump on immigration.  We must do a better job at controlling our borders.  And, we must do a better job of knowing the background of those we are letting in legally.  Trump is pro gun ownership for law abiding citizens. And, Trump is for simplifying the tax code.  Here is a link to his web page, you can make a donation there if you like.

 

So you basically believe that we should essentially ban Muslims from coming into the United States?

In terms of "pro gun ownership", then Bernie Sanders never said we shouldn't own guns, he said that nut cases shouldn't be able to go to a store and buy a high powered rifle.

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4 minutes ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I disagree.  As I mentioned, those elected to the Assembly of Elders will in all likelihood select the next Supreme Leader of Iran.  And that selection will have a huge impact on how Iran interacts with the rest of the World in the coming years.  It is far from an election with only domestic implications.

Much of the World knows this.  It is obvious the different "interest" in Iran know this.  I am surprised you do not.

All the Best,

David

Disagree with which part? The election will have zero impact in the way that any policy will change......like it always never has. And don't worry about the next leader, if such a decision is to be made, which is highly unlikely,  the next leader will be no different than this one. 

The ones that wanted to make a "change" withdrew from the election, because they couldn't pass the bar.......like always, they plan and god plans, and god is the best planner. 

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Hello,

21 minutes ago, Abu-Jafar Herz said:

So you basically believe that we should essentially ban Muslims from coming into the United States?

 

Doesn't he have a point?  Why let people into the United States when an overwhelming majority of those people dislikes what the United States stands for?  Just look at many of the Shia Chat members.  They enjoy the freedom, stability and economic opportunity provided by the United States.  But, they rarely miss an opportunity to wish it harm and call for it's downfall.  On ShiaChat it is just words.  When does it become action? Do you let those that hate you and your family into your home?  It is not prudent. 

Even so, Trump did not call for blocking Muslims from entering the US indefinitely.  He did call for restricting entry until we can better insure radicals are not hiding amongst those that are looking for greater freedom and opportunity.

 

34 minutes ago, repenter said:



The ones that wanted to make a "change" withdrew from the election, because they couldn't pass the bar.......like always, they plan and god plans, and god is the best planner. 

They didn't withdraw.  They were banned from running for election by the Guardian Council.  I see that quote so often.  "They plan and God plans...."  So, all the candidates with reformist views are planning against God?  What an incredible arrogant view.  Does this include Hassan Khomeini?  Is he also planning against God?

All the Best,

David

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Doesn't he have a point?  Why let people into the United States when an overwhelming majority of those people dislikes what the United States stands for?  Just look at many of the Shia Chat members.  They enjoy the freedom, stability and economic opportunity provided by the United States.  But, they rarely miss an opportunity to wish it harm and call for it's downfall.  On ShiaChat it is just words.  When does it become action? Do you let those that hate you and your family into your home?  It is not prudent. 

Even so, Trump did not call for blocking Muslims from entering the US indefinitely.  He did call for restricting entry until we can better insure radicals are not hiding amongst those that are looking for greater freedom and opportunity.


 

Allow me to educate you on US constitutional law, it is illegal to deny entry to any person into the country based upon race or religion.

Donald Trump is nothing more than a bigot with no political experience, you want to compare him to Bernie Sanders?

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Hello,

Your are confusing religion with those that use religion to promote hate, denigrate Western culture and justify the killing of those with different views, such as daesh.  The former is covered, the later is not.

All the Best,

David

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On 1/25/2016 at 9:22 AM, Marbles said:

Only if he had protected George Bush Sr's wife's right to abortion, the world would have been a safer place.

 

Obama's wars have been worse.

 

At least GW Bush was honest. He was a wannabe cowboy and he acted like it. Obama is a disease in a suit; the manifestation of a diseased political establishment known as the US government.

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2 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Your are confusing religion with those that use religion to promote hate, denigrate Western culture and justify the killing of those with different views, such as daesh.  The former is covered, the later is not.

All the Best,

David

No one said Daish shouldn't be banned, Bernie Sanders as well wishes to do background checks on all coming inside the country via the visa process(which we are already doing). What Trump wishes to do is to ban Muslims from entering the country solely based upon their religious affiliation, that is against constitutional law. 

 

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9 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I find it interesting the upcoming US Presidential Race in November is receiving more "press" on Shia Chat than the end of February Elections in Iran.

All the Best,

David

ShiaChat is run by North Americans. Most members on here live in the West. There are very few Iranians on here, fewer still who log in from Iran. So it's not surprising American presidential election is getting more coverage than any other election in any other Muslim country.

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7 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Doesn't he have a point?  Why let people into the United States when an overwhelming majority of those people dislikes what the United States stands for?  Just look at many of the Shia Chat members.  They enjoy the freedom, stability and economic opportunity provided by the United States.  But, they rarely miss an opportunity to wish it harm and call for it's downfall.  On ShiaChat it is just words.  When does it become action? Do you let those that hate you and your family into your home?  It is not prudent. 

Even so, Trump did not call for blocking Muslims from entering the US indefinitely.  He did call for restricting entry until we can better insure radicals are not hiding amongst those that are looking for greater freedom and opportunity.

 

They didn't withdraw.  They were banned from running for election by the Guardian Council.  I see that quote so often.  "They plan and God plans...."  So, all the candidates with reformist views are planning against God?  What an incredible arrogant view.  Does this include Hassan Khomeini?  Is he also planning against God?

All the Best,

David

 

What have you been reading? They withdrew, such as Hassan Khomeini that got insulted because he had to take a test, so he didn't show up.

Fresh calling someone who reads the news properly arrogant, yet someone supporting a nutjob like Trump and doesn't have a clue about Iranian politics regards himself as Gandalf!

 

PS:

I got a mail from US embassy a couple of days ago, i'm officially banned from entering the US with the visa Waver program, because ive been to Iran the last 5 years. Which reformist in US suggested that law? And which genius passed it? 

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37 minutes ago, repenter said:

 

What have you been reading? They withdrew, such as Hassan Khomeini that got insulted because he had to take a test, so he didn't show up.

Fresh calling someone who reads the news properly arrogant, yet someone supporting a nutjob like Trump and doesn't have a clue about Iranian politics regards himself as Gandalf!

 

PS:

I got a mail from US embassy a couple of days ago, i'm officially banned from entering the US with the visa Waver program, because ive been to Iran the last 5 years. Which reformist in US suggested that law? And which genius passed it? 

 

You're straight-up banned or you need a visa?

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4 hours ago, baradar_jackson said:

 

You're straight-up banned or you need a visa?

I must go through the dull long visa process i guess. Might not even get it. Even with the waver program i felt incomfortable with all the questioning, i can only imagine what the normal visa route will be like.

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1 hour ago, repenter said:

i can only imagine what the normal visa route will be like.

Don't imagine; ask one of your Irani passport holder friends. A spectacle of human comedy awaits you. I wonder what Balzac would have made of it if he'd been tasked with penning a story on modern-day visa circus.

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16 hours ago, Abu-Jafar Herz said:

Hamas is a group of nawasib fools who are harming their own people just to get media attention. They are also traitors and back biters, this is why Hezbollah stopped supporting them.

So Bernie Sanders is right not to support Hamas, also Hamas is infiltrated by Israel even according to their own officials.

Bernie Sanders is not a Zionist, but at the same time he isn't going to openly support a group that will keep him out of office, its politics and sometimes you have to walk the walk and use your wisdom in order to get things done.

who is talking about Hamas and Hezbollah, it is another matter. But does Hezbollah or anybody who is against Hamas but supports the Palestinian cause, approve Israeli occupation and its bombings of civillians. 

Bernie Sanders is not a Zionist? Wake up brother. So you think he will stop all them billions for Israel?  An outsider cannot become the president of this nation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183858/All-presidents-bar-directly-descended-medieval-English-king.html 

Show me a narration of the Ahlul bayt pbut where they say that voting and elections are allowed for their Shias to participate in. Is there a narration from the Imams pbut that one can vote and choose the Leader of the Muslims? Let alone a leader of a foreign/hostile entity/nation. 

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. 5:51

 

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Guess it's not my problem if some guy like Trump ends up becoming President, becoz I am not from that country. You Amerikans have to deal with this.

I mean Trump may not seem all that nice and great, but at least his open and honest about his views and plans. I see Republicans like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson more worrying than Trump, these two all but seem to be quiet about their true intentions and surely have some hidden agendas behind their backs. I prefer someone honest and vocal unlike someone secretive and quiet.

Bernie Sanders is someone who can really shake up the system and make a stand against the American establishment and elite. There hasn't been a candidate like him in previous election ever before. He has a 40 year long proven track record of social reforms, and of being a defender of the working class and the marginalised of society. His a proven candidate and will surely enact the reforms and change his promising, and not backtrack. 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Mr. Anderson said:

who is talking about Hamas and Hezbollah, it is another matter. But does Hezbollah or anybody who is against Hamas but supports the Palestinian cause, approve Israeli occupation and its bombings of civillians. 

Bernie Sanders is not a Zionist? Wake up brother. So you think he will stop all them billions for Israel?  An outsider cannot become the president of this nation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183858/All-presidents-bar-directly-descended-medieval-English-king.html 

Show me a narration of the Ahlul bayt pbut where they say that voting and elections are allowed for their Shias to participate in. Is there a narration from the Imams pbut that one can vote and choose the Leader of the Muslims? Let alone a leader of a foreign/hostile entity/nation. 

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. 5:51

 

Really? One thing I know is that he hardly ever mentions his religion or background in his speeches or debates. He makes himself out just as American as all the other candidates or anyone else for that matter. On top of that his quite secular minded and open, and married to a Christian even though he still identified himself as a Jew.

He has fought heavily for social equality for my minorities like Blacks in the past and is till this day for a variety of other social causes. He is no where a Zionist, doubt the Israel lobby would even prefer him as President and even probably placed him lowest on the pecking order for them. 

Calling him a Zionist just based on his religion is quite demeaning and idiotic. A person shouldn't be judged on their religion and background but their actions. He has so far and for so long presented himself well. He has never put his religion in front of him or others and it has never stopped him as a social activist and politician.

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Being a Zionist and supporting the Zionist state are two different positions. Every American president will support the Zionist state for political reasons, regardless of their personal opinion about it. Don't forget that in his earlier days Obama was a friend and a fan of Edward Said, who was probably the most well-known Palestinian freedom activist in the United States and anti-Israel to boot. Even so Obama did nothing, or could do nothing, to change the American policy on Israel. It is not far fetched to say that he might have met JFK's fate if he had really tried.

We can't expect an American president to take a tough line on Israel unless something totally unexpected and unprecedented happens.

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On 1/7/2016 at 11:44 AM, Marbles said:

There's an assumption that they are all different people...

Salam Marbles,

Yeah, totally understand that sentiment!

They are actually all different, though Ted Cruz is a tamer version of Donald Trump.

Personally, I don't agree with any of them and I was planning on not voting for either the Democrat or Republican nominee because of that.

However, I have told my Republican friends that if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, I will vote for whoever wins the Democrat nomination. My conscious will not let me do otherwise.

Any of the other candidates are better than Trump, in my opinion.I would have no choice but to vote in order to try to help my country not get a Narcist Fascist in power. I am shocked and saddened that he has gotten so popular. While I knew racism sadly wasn't dead in the USA, I didn't know racism was so alive and thriving. :(

 

Imagine if he had said this about England, or Germany (from where his grandfather hails) or Scotland?

 

Also, while I disagree with Islam, I 100% support the right of people to believe what they believe is true Many Muslims believe Islam is true same I believe Christianity is true!  I do not want my Muslim friends in the USA to be banned or persecuted in any way, same as I don't want Christians to be banned or persecuted!

 

This is just the beginning of discrimination based on religion. :(

 

Trump does not obey the Golden Rule at all, and I personally would rather a socialist (Bernie Sanders) who cares for people who are different than him or Hilary Clinton to be president than Trump!

Peace and God bless you

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6 hours ago, repenter said:

I must go through the dull long visa process i guess. Might not even get it. Even with the waver program i felt incomfortable with all the questioning, i can only imagine what the normal visa route will be like.

Salam Repenter,

For an American couple (one born in  Ecuador, one born in the USA) to visit Iran, would the process be long and with many questions? If God wills, my hubby and I would love to visit Iran someday! :)

Peace and God bless you

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5 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:



O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. 5:51

 

Salam Mr. Anderson,

Do you believe Qur'an 5:51 is for Muslims nowadays, or just for some Muslims a long time ago? Thanks.

Peace and God bless you

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4 hours ago, Zendegi said:

Really? One thing I know is that he hardly ever mentions his religion or background in his speeches or debates. He makes himself out just as American as all the other candidates or anyone else for that matter. On top of that his quite secular minded and open, and married to a Christian even though he still identified himself as a Jew.

He has fought heavily for social equality for my minorities like Blacks in the past and is till this day for a variety of other social causes. He is no where a Zionist, doubt the Israel lobby would even prefer him as President and even probably placed him lowest on the pecking order for them. 

Calling him a Zionist just based on his religion is quite demeaning and idiotic. A person shouldn't be judged on their religion and background but their actions. He has so far and for so long presented himself well. He has never put his religion in front of him or others and it has never stopped him as a social activist and politician.

Salam Zendigi,

Bernie Sanders is married to a Christian? I didn't know that.

What touched my heart about Bernie Sanders is this video, which made me weep tears of joy when he showed respect and love to the young Muslim lady. :)

While I'm not a Muslim and i like to discuss differences in religion with Muslims, I do 100% support the right of Muslims to freely immigrate to the USA and to enjoy the same freedoms that Christians have! :)

 

This is what the USA needs, though I don't believe the USA needs socialism. However, definitely the USA needs love and caring, so if a socialist can help bring the USA to be more loving and caring, so be it!

Also, a person can be a Zionist and still love Palestinians, like a person can be a patriotic American, and still love Mexicans and Canadians, as well as both legal and undocumented immigrants from any country! Zionists are people who can choose to love same as Anti-Zionists are people who can choose to love too.

Also, a person can be a Christian and love Muslims, or visa versa. :) Actually, a Christian who doesn't love Muslims or any other person is disobedient to Jesus' commands to love.

Peace and God bless you

 

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I think the US needs a ton of "socialism"...or whatever you want to call it.  I think it's fantastic, We give loads of "socialism " to banks and corporations. Let's give it to the people for a change.

I'd rather my tax dollars go to give everyone healthcare, education, unemployment benefits, a dignified retirement, creation of new jobs, and taking care of our infrastructure and environment...rather than fleets of new bombers and ranks of tanks or to bail out the failed big businesses and the already-rich.

We need to get our priorities straight. Bernie has them straight.

We need to clean House ( and Senate) too, though.

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3 hours ago, Christianlady said:

Salam Repenter,

For an American couple (one born in  Ecuador, one born in the USA) to visit Iran, would the process be long and with many questions? If God wills, my hubby and I would love to visit Iran someday! :)

Peace and God bless you

Salam

No, you get a 30 day visa on arrival. If one wants to stay longer then you need to apply.

Wasalam

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