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Two young women sit on a Persian rug beneath an Israeli flag and an Iranian one bearing the emblem of the Islamic Republic, at the opening of the Iranian embassy of culture in Jerusalem on 21 December 2015.

Two women walk past side-to-side flags of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Israel at the new Iranian cultural centre in Israel

Guardian- Iranian-Israelis opened an ‘embassy of culture’ in Jerusalem this week. The new space will be used to display art and music in an attempt to lessen hostilities between the two countries

A group of Jerusalem artists this week opened the city’s first unofficial Iranian ‘embassy of culture’ with a gathering of around 500 Israelis, many of whom moved to Israel after the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Israelis from all walks of life converged on a three-room building in East Jerusalem’s French Hill settlement, which has been dedicated by the Jerusalem municipality to the Hamabul Art Collective. The new centre of Iranian culture in Israel will display original photography and art, and will host a radio station broadcasting in Hebrew and Farsi.

With an assortment of Iranian snacks like shahtoot (dried red mulberries), chagaleh badoum (salted unripe almonds) and halva, coupled with Persian music, the evening sparked nostalgia for many.

“My brother told me there was a Persian party, so I’m here,” said David Pikali, who emigrated to Israel with his family from Iran in 1958 when just seven years old. Pikali welcomed the chance to reconnect with his mother-culture, and savoured the rare opportunity to gather somewhere brimming with Iranian culture and to speak Farsi.

Relations between Iran and Israel have been tense since the Iranian Revolution, when Iran closed the Israeli trade mission in Tehran, which had operated as a de facto embassy, and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini dubbed Israel “an enemy of Islam”. Iran does not recognise Israel. As president from 2005 to 2103, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke of the Israeli state being “removed from the page of history”. Israeli politicians like Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, have argued the Iranian regime poses a threat to Israel’s existence.

But Israeli and Iranian citizens have often spoken out of a desire for better ties. In 2012 Israeli peace activists launched a social media campaign to foster goodwill by showering Iran with ‘Israel loves Iran’ messages.

Pinkas Matan, the mastermind behind the cultural embassy who displayed red and green nail polish symbolising the Iranian flag, doesn’t believe politics should hinder good relations between citizens. Speaking in front of a projector screen playing a documentary about Iranian fashion, Matan announced the goal of the project as sparking communication between peoples, sharing culture and art, and promoting peace.

“I believe that’s enough,” he said, speaking on behalf of the collective of artists that hosted the event, Hamabul, the Hebrew word for the great Biblical flood. “We don’t need governments to make peace - it is up to us, the people.”

Some at the gathering were not convinced by the organisers’ hopes for the ‘embassy’. “Of course this won’t help with peace,” scoffed the 63-year-old Pikali in his Iranian-accented Hebrew. “This is only for the people here in Israel.”

One of the artists whose photography was on display, Itay Davidyan, chose to participate not because of the embassy’s mission to bring peace, but rather as a way to reconcile his Iranian and Israeli identities. “My parents came from Iran in 1986, so I grew up in a very Persian household,” he explained. “To me, this is personal.”

Standing before one of his photographs, one featuring his mother wearing hijab, Davidyan declared: “I am proud to be Iranian.”

Attendees look at photographs by Itay Davidyan at the opening of the Iranian embassy of culture in Jerusalem on 21 December 2015.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/dec/23/iranian-embassy-in-israel-cultural-centre-jerusalem

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I actually think this is a brilliant initiative to bring the peoples together, despite the long enmity and hate among the governments.

 

 

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Very nice! At least the ordinary Jews are more civilized than Salafi-Wahabi Arabs (those who still remained as ignorant as in times of Jahilya).

And why Iran is not opening a real embassy in Israel? Look what happened to all those Sunni so called blocks of resistance... Fatah/Hamas stabbed both Iran and Syria in the back many times, and Sudan kissing the feet of Saudis for the past few years, attacking Shias in Yemen and cut all diplomatic relations with Iran over Ayt. Nimr's execution and aftermath developments.

The apartheid Saudi, Bahrain, and other Wahabi states are more brutal in all fields than the state of Zionists... and they are brutal and oppressors to Shias... we see only the Israelis' behaviors towards the Salafi-Wahabi Palestinians but then we  ignore all the details and brutality of Sunni-Wahabi cult on Shia community worldwide. Having diplomatic and business relation with brutal Yazeedi states are way more worse than Israeli.

 

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6 hours ago, Noah- said:

Very nice! At least the ordinary Jews are more civilized than Salafi-Wahabi Arabs (those who still remained as ignorant as in times of Jahilya).

And why Iran is not opening a real embassy in Israel? Look what happened to all those Sunni so called blocks of resistance... Fatah/Hamas stabbed both Iran and Syria in the back many times, and Sudan kissing the feet of Saudis for the past few years, attacking Shias in Yemen and cut all diplomatic relations with Iran over Ayt. Nimr's execution and aftermath developments.

The apartheid Saudi, Bahrain, and other Wahabi states are more brutal in all fields than the state of Zionists... and they are brutal and oppressors to Shias... we see only the Israelis' behaviors towards the Salafi-Wahabi Palestinians but then we  ignore all the details and brutality of Sunni-Wahabi cult on Shia community worldwide. Having diplomatic and business relation with brutal Yazeedi states are way more worse than Israeli.

 

Salam,

Sorry to read this. So you really think allying with the core of Zionism is better than allying with muslims because their leaders are corrupt ?

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21 hours ago, Noah- said:

Very nice! At least the ordinary Jews are more civilized than Salafi-Wahabi Arabs (those who still remained as ignorant as in times of Jahilya).

And why Iran is not opening a real embassy in Israel? Look what happened to all those Sunni so called blocks of resistance... Fatah/Hamas stabbed both Iran and Syria in the back many times, and Sudan kissing the feet of Saudis for the past few years, attacking Shias in Yemen and cut all diplomatic relations with Iran over Ayt. Nimr's execution and aftermath developments.

The apartheid Saudi, Bahrain, and other Wahabi states are more brutal in all fields than the state of Zionists... and they are brutal and oppressors to Shias... we see only the Israelis' behaviors towards the Salafi-Wahabi Palestinians but then we  ignore all the details and brutality of Sunni-Wahabi cult on Shia community worldwide. Having diplomatic and business relation with brutal Yazeedi states are way more worse than Israeli.

 

Those agents fomenting discord between Sunni and Shia are neither Shiite nor Sunni, They are Interested in Neither Shia nor Sunni creeds while they have no belief in Sanctities of Either Shias or Sunnis. - Ayatollah Khamenei

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9 hours ago, Zendegi said:

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I actually think this is a brilliant initiative to bring the peoples together, despite the long enmity and hate among the governments.

 

 

I don't know why some of us should still think like this. which Jews and Iranians will come together over such incidents. 

8 hours ago, Marbles said:

Interesting that they have used the post-revolution flag of Iran.

its all hypocrisy!

Edited by mahdi servant.01

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13 hours ago, Zendegi said:

In 2012 Israeli peace activists launched a social media campaign to foster goodwill by showering Iran with ‘Israel loves Iran’ messages.

 

Salam Zendegi,

I love the quote above!!! :)

Out of curiosity, why did many Jewish people in Iran leave Iran? The Persian culture is beautiful.

Thanks.

Peace and God bless you

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13 hours ago, Zendegi said:

despite the long enmity and hate among the governments.

Sorry, Iranian people too hate them.

Anyways, If they wish, these are some other pictures from people of Iran they can use in their kazayi embassy.

These are from Quds rally. Here it is:

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If they want more pictures from Quds rally in Iran, click here.

And this one is from Gaza strip:

 

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I picked a very censored picture. I don't recommend, but if they want, click here for more clear ones.

Also there are pictures from "I love fighting Zionists" campaign, which if they wanted to use them in their embassy, here they are.

compared to the most majority of Iranians, These arazelz who are showing respect to a occupier regime that has managed to kill Iranian scientists, forced other countries to impose food and drug sanction on Iranian people, helped terrorist organizations against Iran etc. etc., not to mention their crimes towards other countries (i.e. humanity in general) can't be counted.

I also should add this: I know there are many youth born in occupied lands of Palestine who are questioning the Zionism and have no means to leave the Palestinian lands. But notion of Iranian embassy in so-called Israel doesn't come from these sorts of people.

Conclusion:

There will be no friendship between those who oppose criminals and criminals.

Allah does not forbid you to be kind and to act justly to those who have neither made war on your religion nor expelled you from your homes. Allah loves the just. [60:8]

But Allah only forbids you to be guided by those who have fought against you in your religion's cause and expelled you from your homes or have supported others in your expulsion. Whosoever takes them as guides are harmdoers. [60:9]

4 hours ago, mahdi servant.01 said:

despite the long enmity and hate among the governments.

They used this flag because Zionists always have had the dream of being recognized by Iran. Let them be happy with their dream!

Dream on!

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13 hours ago, Marbles said:

Interesting that they have used the post-revolution flag of Iran.

Thanks...except I'll take it further and say..."Inhumane" of them to have Iran's flag next to a killing machine's flag.

Btw, a flimsy art exhibit doesn't get called "embassy".

Title of this thread is just wrong........and unfair. If we're going to talk about Iran, you talk about it within the context of @kamyar's pics above--and the Quds day rallies. 

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15 hours ago, realizm said:

Salam,

Sorry to read this. So you really think allying with the core of Zionism is better than allying with muslims because their leaders are corrupt ?

Wasalam, brother I am tired of these stories reading every day and the Sunni world ignorance, enough is enough of dreaming brotherhood and extending hands to some barking dogs who only have the habits of biting... .

To answer your question: Saudi and Iran were allies until few days ago when they had embassies in each other countries? Having diplomatic relations never means you are ally to a country in the world. Secondly, better than allying with Muslims? You cannot compare a known with unknown... the so called Muslims be it public or gov. or groups are unknown. They do not exists.

WHO ARE these Muslims? Those who drink the blood of Shias everyday? And those who consider Iran worse than Israel?

Why the public enjoy the massacre of Shias and participate in causing Shias suffering?

Hassan Shahita in Egypt, Zakzaky in Nigeria, Nimr in Saudi, Hakim in Iraq and 100s of other assassinations and bombings of religious figures and sites from South Asia to Africa... discrimination of Shias from Malaysia to Bahrain!

Ask yourself: How many millions of ppl are killed by Israeli gov. or its influence?

And how many million Muslims are killed by Saudi, Qatar, Saddam, Alqaida, ISIS and I could go on and on... including killing their own Sunnis!

The destruction and civil wars in Afghanistan for two decades after Russian exit, the target killings of Shias in Pakistan, Saddam war on Iran,  Iraqi civil wars of Shia-Sunni, Syrian conflict and the Takfiri network funding and arming, Sudan breakup, Libya's destruction via Jihadists, wars on Yemen 2009-present, Lebanon's unrest over and over again, systematic cleansing of Shia population in Morocco, Nigeria, Egypt, Bahrain, Sudan, Malaysia, and other places...

Israel fights Hamas a few times, takes their land and some thousands of Salafi-Wahabi groups get killed in Gaza... BIG DEAL. Who cares! Let 1.4 billion Sunnis to go and demand rights for them..

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16 hours ago, mina said:

Wahabi Gulf states and Israel are two sides of the same coin.Same goals and plans for the whole Middle East.

Ok. But, why Iran has diplomatic, business and formal relations with one side of the same coin but not the other side of the same coin?

Just a correction: Wahabi-Salafi dogs and states have more hatred for Iran and for Shias worldwide and done more damage to Islam, Shia Muslims, to Arab ppl, to all people in general compare to Israel.

 

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49 minutes ago, Noah- said:

Ok. But, why Iran has diplomatic, business and formal relations with one side of the same coin but not the other side of the same coin?

The main difference between Israeli regime and governments such as KSA is that Israel is an occupier, while these are not. The Persian Gulf states, although tyrant and disgusting, haven't expelled people from their homes the way Israelis have.

Having business, diplomatic and formal relations with Zionist regime is like having diplomatic relations with ISIS – which both are occupiers.  

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11 hours ago, Christianlady said:

Salam Zendegi,

I love the quote above!!! :)

Out of curiosity, why did many Jewish people in Iran leave Iran? The Persian culture is beautiful.

Thanks.

Peace and God bless you

Shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini's return from exile in 1979, he issued a fatwa ordering that all Religious minorities (except Bahais) be treated well.

After the execution of a prominent Jewish leader who was executed because of his business deals and connections to Israel after the 'Islamic Republic' was established, quite a few Jews left initially out of fear. The majority left at the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war and the economic chaos created by it including with the new sanctions because of the US embassy hostage crisis.

Majority of the lower class and some of the middle class Iranian Jews left for Israel, while the upper class and some of the middle class left for America and mostly the remaining were the middle class Iranian Jews who stayed behind. A lot of them left because they thought the Revolution wouldn't support them to further prosper in society and on the social ladder, in addition to the economic chaos after the revolution and on top of that the uncertainty of the future for them in Iran. In all the Jewish population in Iran shrunk from 100,000 to 20,000 and elsewhere you will find mostly big communities in California and Israel.
 

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1 hour ago, kamyar said:

The main difference between Israeli regime and governments such as KSA is that Israel is an occupier, while these are not. The Persian Gulf states, although tyrant and disgusting, haven't expelled people from their homes the way Israelis have.

Having business, diplomatic and formal relations with Zionist regime is like having diplomatic relations with ISIS – which both are occupiers.  

 

What about Kurdistan? What about East Turkistan? What about Tibet? What about Dagestan? What about Chechnya? I could very much say countries like China and Russia have illegally expanded for years and expelled populations from these lands! You could also say the Saudis are very much occupying Mecca and Medina or even more the Sunni dynasty of Bahrain who are in fact recent and foreign in their occupation of that Island, repopulating it with Sunnis from places like Pakistan and Syria to change the demographics

Shias and Iran unnecessarily themselves made Israel an enemy and made it such a big issue. We have many problems of our own that we are facing from whether it be secular psychopathic Sunnis like Saddam or Sunni extremists alike in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, more recently Nigeria and elsewhere for years or even centuries.

We have no such real problems with Israel unlike these countries like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, their allies and supported entities and groups. Israel is only worried about it itself and threats to their people and country, they are facing Sunni radicals like Hamas and we too are facing similar groups. Its not a issue for us to fight for when we have a list of other big issues facing our communities in the world.

I prefer Israel anytime over Saudi Arabia and it entities or allies...

 

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16 hours ago, alirex said:

Those agents fomenting discord between Sunni and Shia are neither Shiite nor Sunni, They are Interested in Neither Shia nor Sunni creeds while they have no belief in Sanctities of Either Shias or Sunnis. - Ayatollah Khamenei

That is said about the non-Muslim actors who try to inflame sectarian tensions. It does not apply to Sunni behaviors towards Shias. And plus, all words of Ayt. Khamenei, or Ayt, Sistani or Hassan Nasrallah or any other political leader or respected marjah are not words of God.

Imam Khomeini said and was not shy to say that he made a mistake and was wrong to believe and trust certain groups like the Leftists or MKO or some elements who came to power and supported by Islamic revolution & Imam Khomeini at the beginning in Iran. Imam Khomeini was also one of top marjah and Shia political leader at the time who confessed for political miscalculation.

For those who follow the religion of God, the prophets, the school of prophet Mohammad (pbuh), are Shias of Ali and Ahlul Bait, and are followers of Imam Hussein... they say 'haq' and side with haq and never bow down to 'zalim' or the oppressor. Imam Hussein (as) said, no to humiliation. We can no longer accept all kinds of humiliation, oppression and what not, because there is a theory that there certain ppl who are fomenting discord between Sunni and Shia.

A Zionist 'zalim' is the same as a Sunni 'zalim' and a Zionist society is the same as bad Sunni society who collectively are 'fine' with oppression of Shias, oppressing other minorities and weak groups, and it has became a normal act for them to do all these things to Shias as they do all these centuries...

Demanding Shias rights and speaking the truth has nothing to do with all these fancy statements and talks....

I want normal relations with all those Sunnis who respect me and my honor... who sees me as equal human being and does not deny my basic right in the 21th century where the world are speaking of 'animals rights' while Sunnis still kidnap Yazeedi, Shia, Alawite women and abuse them, and put them in cages and parading them on the streets.

 

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At least waving an Iranian flag in an Israeli street doesn't get you in trouble, likewise if someone waved an Iranian flag in those Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia you would certainly get abused. If got the opportunity most Israelis would welcome relations between Israel and Iran and would travel to Iran on a holiday. Better than having relations with back stabbers and terrorist sponsors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNAnlWgjhas

 

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1 hour ago, kamyar said:

The main difference between Israeli regime and governments such as KSA is that Israel is an occupier, while these are not. The Persian Gulf states, although tyrant and disgusting, haven't expelled people from their homes the way Israelis have.

 

Having business, diplomatic and formal relations with Zionist regime is like having diplomatic relations with ISIS – which both are occupiers.  

 

Then, they are not the two sides of the same coin. My question was to those who believe they are the two sides of the same coin.

Anyhow brother, I believe you are not following the news of those Bahraini Shia citizens whose citizenships are being revoked and instead the apartheid regime 'imports' Sunnis from South Asia and Africa or other Arab countries in order to create an artificial Sunni-majority state in Bahrain, so then they can tell that they are only oppressing a minority, they are not oppressing the majority. What is so different than what is being done in Palestine?

I could go on and on and give you 100s of reasons why these so called occupiers are less evil than the Yazeedis of Persian Gulf or the Sunni world... but no need.. I don't see the need in arguing with a 'Shia' on a Shia forum in explaining how bad are the Wahabi states and the Salafi clerics, or how evil is the 'moderate rebels' or the 'moderate Sunnis' compare to ISIS or compare to a Zionist soldier. We all know it. Some of us hope that there are still hopes of befriending many Sunnis and that is why we are blocking many things intentionally/unintentionally, some of the times we ignore all the misdeeds intentionally, sometimes we simply cannot believe that the 'moderate' Sunnis are doing all these things and then we turn to blame the third party or the Zionist fitna or the British masters of the Sunni leaders.. I personally probably had this habit and for many years never wanted to see the real cause and problem.

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10 hours ago, Zendegi said:

Shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini's return from exile in 1979, he issued a fatwa ordering that all Religious minorities (except Bahais) be treated well.

After the execution of a prominent Jewish leader who was executed because of his business deals and connections to Israel after the 'Islamic Republic' was established, quite a few Jews left initially out of fear.

Salam Zendegi,

Wow! Why are business deals and connections to Israel punishable by death in Iran?

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The majority left at the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war and the economic chaos created by it including with the new sanctions because of the US embassy hostage crisis.

Oh. Before learning on Shiachat the horrible stuff the US government did in Iran, I didn't understand why on earth some Iranian people violated the US embassy and why they shouted "Death to America" and call America "Satan" (even though thousands of Iranians come to the USA).

It's not a crime punishable by imprisonment or death to do business in the USA and with Americans, yeah?

Anyways, I can understand how the embassy hostage crisis caused some Jewish people in Iran to worry for their own safety. A country's government has the responsibility to protect the embassies of other countries, and Iran didn't do that. 
 

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Majority of the lower class and some of the middle class Iranian Jews left for Israel, while the upper class and some of the middle class left for America and mostly the remaining were the middle class Iranian Jews who stayed behind.

A lot of them left because they thought the Revolution wouldn't support them to further prosper in society and on the social ladder, in addition to the economic chaos after the revolution and on top of that the uncertainty of the future for them in Iran.

 

Well, being punished for having ties with the only Jewish state in the world is also very likely a reason. It's no wonder that the Jewish people still in Iran don't dare support Israel. They'd be imprisoned or killed for it: yikes!

 

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In all the Jewish population in Iran shrunk from 100,000 to 20,000

That's a significant shrinkage. However, I think it's wonderful that in Israel, Jews from Iran are showing their love for the Persian culture.

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and elsewhere you will find mostly big communities in California and Israel.

Yeah, many Jewish people have immigrated to the USA over the years, same as many people from around the world. My Jewish friends are mainly from Europe (due to the Holocaust) and Israel. I don't know any Jewish people with ties to Iran, as far as I know.

I just looked up the following article, and it states the following:

"Today, Iran's Jewish population is the second largest in the Middle East, after Israel."

However, it also says the following:

"The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" — both such activities are punishable by death. Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance. The government does not generally allow all members of a family to travel abroad at the same time to prevent Jewish emigration. Again, the Jews live under the status of dhimmi, with the restrictions im posed on religious minorities."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html

Thanks for answering my questions. Again, it's really cool that Jewish people from Iran are showing their love to Iran and Persian culture! :)

Peace and God bless you

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54 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

 

Till this day it never occurred to me why there is so much, like over the top hatred and fear of Israel. Neither do I understand well the reasoning behind such laws and crimes in Iran. Yes it occurs to me that Palestinians need their own country and are under a occupation, but haven't we went to the extremes on this issue when there are just as many other places around the world facing the same issues of land, sovereignty and occupation? Hopefully there is some who can explain it to you in depth on this site or you might try search for some answers on the internet, as I don't know about the reasoning behind such things.

Many Iranian Shia Muslims are descendants of Jews themselves, especially in my home province in Iran, in Fars where there are villages full of families who have Jewish ancestry and many still speak a distinct dialect from everyone else. Apparently even weirdly enough from my Fathers side there is some partial Jewish heritage from a really long time ago who knows when, from what I heard from some of my relatives over there in Iran. 

There have been Jews in Iran for at least 2500 years since the times of Cyrus the Great and are well established in the country. There are even Jewish pilgrimage sites, such as the Tomb of Esther in Hamadan and Tomb of Daniel in Susa. So yeah, there has been a long Jewish history in Iran.

Most Jews ended up leaving Iran just after the war with Iraq, and its been shrinking ever since, even with Israel and Jews in the West literally offering financial incentives for Persian Jews to leave. Many of them have refused these offers out of love for their country and heritage, and their  refusal to be treated as plain objects by these Jewish organisations to move.

 

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1 hour ago, Zendegi said:

Till this day it never occurred to me why there is so much, like over the top hatred and fear of Israel.

Salam Zendegi,

I don't understand it either, since the Qur'an talks about the Children of Israel. It seems to me that many Muslims acknowledge that Israel was a nation during the time of King David, but they don't believe Israel has a right to exist again nowadays. It seems that ever since the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, some Muslims believe the area should not be controlled by Non-Muslims.

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Neither do I understand well the reasoning behind such laws and crimes in Iran.

I would say that Islam is the reasoning behind such laws in Iran, but I don't know if Muhammad taught what to do if Israel was regenerated. ? In Muhammad's time, Jerusalem was under the control of Christians who disobeyed Jesus Christ's commands to love. The Jewish people had already been scattered after Rome destroyed Israel, which is how some ended up in Arabia.

There are some hadiths that some Sunni Muslims believe are authentic concerning fighting the Jews, but they don't specify Zionist Jews...

For example:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 :

Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Umar

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

http://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_4_52.php

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Yes it occurs to me that Palestinians need their own country and are under a occupation, but haven't we went to the extremes on this issue when there are just as many other places around the world facing the same issues of land, sovereignty and occupation?

Great question.

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Hopefully there is some who can explain it to you in depth on this site or you might try search for some answers on the internet, as I don't know about the reasoning behind such things.

 

Gaius l Caesar is doing an awesome job explaining many things. :) I need to finish replying to his response in another thread after replying here. (The timer kicked me off cause I was taking so long.)

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Many Iranian Shia Muslims are descendants of Jews themselves, especially in my home province in Iran, in Fars where there are villages full of families who have Jewish ancestry and many still speak a distinct dialect from everyone else. Apparently even weirdly enough from my Fathers side there is some partial Jewish heritage from a really long time ago who knows when, from what I heard from some of my relatives over there in Iran.

Cool! I don't think I have any Jewish ancestry from any side of my family (though I could wrong). However, it's very possible that my husband's father's side has Jewish ancestry: Sephardic Jews who moved to Iberia and were expelled or forced into Christianity. :( 

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There have been Jews in Iran for at least 2500 years since the times of Cyrus the Great and are well established in the country. There are even Jewish pilgrimage sites, such as the Tomb of Esther in Hamadan and Tomb of Daniel in Susa. So yeah, there has been a long Jewish history in Iran.

I love Cyrus the Great!!! He is called an Anointed One (Christ/King) in the Bible, which is so awesome!!! :) (I boldened some.)

Thus saith the LORD to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and to loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and that the gates may not be shut:  I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight; I will break in pieces the doors of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron; And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I am the LORD, who call thee by thy name, even the God of Israel.  For the sake of Jacob My servant, and Israel Mine elect, I have called thee by thy name, I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known Me. - Isaiah 45:1-4

http://mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et1045.htm

That is super cool that God inspired the prophet Isaiah to call Cyrus the anointed of the Lord!!! :)

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Most Jews ended up leaving Iran just after the war with Iraq, and its been shrinking ever since, even with Israel and Jews in the West literally offering financial incentives for Persian Jews to leave. Many of them have refused these offers out of love for their country and heritage, and their  refusal to be treated as plain objects by these Jewish organisations to move.

Well, from what I have learned about Persian culture, it is beautiful. I understand why they do not want to leave.

For what it's worth, many Jewish people from Europe who fled to the USA and Israel, as well as other parts of the world, would have been happy to have stayed in Europe if not for the Holocaust. :(

Some of my Jewish friends in the USA love the USA and have no desire to move to Israel, cause they are happy (and feel safer in the USA than in Israel). Some moved from Israel to the USA.

Peace and God bless you

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@Noah-

Diplomatic relations are nothing more than a formality...the weak relations were actually a kind of peace treaty between the biggest states in the gulf...they never supported or helped each other.

And we know that peace treaties with enemies are sometimes the lesser evil  than having an open war with your neighbour and shedding blood of the innocent...

Ale Saud cut the formal ties ...who cares,they will fall soon biznillah.

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This is so stupid it's not even worth talking about.

 

It's like if Germany opened a "Russian embassy of culture" in 1940.

 

It's like if the US started the "Hiroshima Cultural Society" in 1944.

 

 

Tell me again why this is even worth talking about except to laugh at how disgusting this "country" is?

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Let me put it this way.

Why are Zionists and Wahabi's two sides of the same coin?

Both are created and being helped by colonizers to serve their interests in the region. One has occupied the first qibla of Muslims and the other has occupied the second qibla – which both should and will be liberated by the grace of God.

Why having the embassy of tyrant governments, but not Israel's?

The embassy of, for example, Saudi Arabia in Iran is the embassy of Saudi Arabia country, even if the representative (government) is a dictator and tyrant one. But there is no such a country as Israel in the first place to have an embassy in Iran. As I said, the Israel case resembles ISIS's.

 

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An Irani-Israeli 'Embassy' of culture? Weirdly misleading!

Though I would not brand all Israelis or those who reside in Israel as the common enemy. I may disagree with their sharing of benefits from Israeli war crimes and uncle Sam's handouts. Then there is the minority of orthodox Jewish protests against the Zionist Kannesset for which in many ways there is no problem in resurrecting a cultural arts museum. The concerning issue here is 'Embassy' which usually corresponds to officially approved stately office, signifying mutual relations. That is hardly the case! Hence the initiative makes no sense and as per ulterior motives, highly questionable.

What's more annoying is the ridiculous timing. Drives me up the wall. The mainstream media adds to the wounds as if this initiative is somehow an Israeli change in tone for tolerance, peace and preservation of friendly ties. Utter nonsense. But who knows maybe its a heist, a small band of moderates sidelining the Israeli model of intolerance which may be short lived but the Media will obviously sing a different tune.

 

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Israel> Saudi Arabia + Qatar + Bahrain + Hamas + other allies or entities

I am a proud Iranian and Shia Muslim yet I have nothing big or extreme against Israel and Israelis. I see them as a great counterbalance in a region that has witnessed strong Sunni hostility against minorities like Shia, Alawites, Christians and others. They were always the natural allies of Shias and especially Iran from the beginning, they were hated just as much as were hated by these Sunnis by the similar or more less the same groups.

You think Sunnis will ever accept us as equals some day? If you do think that, your deluded. I saw that back stabber Palestinian Yasser Arafat giving hugs and kisses to Saddam Hussein in a picture taken during the Iran-Iraq war, they were of course good friends.

Iran and on top of that Shias around the world pretend we have some sort of deep long hostility with Israel, when this was never the case.

 

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Please respond to Noahs or my last posts on this issue, which no one has yet to respond, to just have a meaningful and thoughtful discussion. I don't want to be driven by these extreme and ignorant views you guys have on these issues without listening to any other views. 

As I was saying, we get Palestinians need their own country and are under an occupation, but haven't we went to the illogical extremes on this issue when there are just as many or more countries facing the issues of sovereignty, occupation and land even in our own Bahrain?

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23 minutes ago, baradar_jackson said:

Israel and Saudi & friends = one and the same

Hey guys, if you want to take their word for it, try this:

"Sunday Times: Israel, Saudi Arabia Cooperating to Plan Possible Iran Attack"

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.558512

 

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Reply to Noahs or my posts, directly rebutting each of our arguments please. You can't help changing ones opinion even of your fellow Shias without coming with more logical and better counter arguments on this idea.

I see Shias including other minorities in the region and Israelis as natural allies, who act as a counterbalance against Sunni hostility. Making threats against Israel and implementing illogical propaganda will off course make the Israelis nerved.

 

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