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Is it true that shia militia persecuted sunnis in Iraq?

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wa 'alakyum assalam,

I personally don't buy into that, it is a product of al-Qa'ida in Iraq, al-Qa'ida isn't some kind of protective freedom-fighting organisation, I don't think that anyone believes that they entered Iraq to defend Sunnis.

Did the oppression of Shi'a militias contribute to people joining al-Qa'ida? Probably, or did the Sunni militias join al-Qa'ida? Maybe (?), but their ideology is the same as Boko Haram's, so there isn't necessarily a correlation between ISIS and Shi'a militias attacking random Sunnis.

This is dirt thrown by Sunnis who are unwilling to take a good hard look in the mirror, taking a minor factor, and making it the primary factor is a joke.

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1 hour ago, alidu78 said:

Salam aleykoum ,

I often heard that. And many say "Its because the shia muslims persecuted sunnis in Irak if ISIS exist".

What do you think about that ?

I don't believe that. Brother there is a desperate attempt by the enemies of Islam to create a Shia and Sunni divide. It is the only way the Middle East can be controlled through proxy warring factions. The good old ''Command and Conquer'' conception never expired but deceivingly progressed more cleverly. Now its only too common to hear Sunni and Shia being the source of the problem, an attempt by the enemies of Islam to antagonize Muslims into a civil war.

ISIS is just another branded designer label for the Wahabi and Salafi garrison

 

 

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Brother Alidu78: No its not true at all. Anybody can claim anything, but has there been any proof of it just like there are millions of artifacts that prove the Salafi and Wahabi abuse of Sunnis and Shias.

I'll give you an example, since 1979 till 2015, there are roughly 60,000 Shias have been murdered in Pakistan, with countless Shia masajid destroyed, congregations blownup, Hussaynia (Imam Bargahs) arsoned etc. Till this day, not one Salafi and Wahabi palce of worship, the terror making factories which they call their madrassas, their gatherings which they call Tableegh gathering attended by millions have been terrorized in retaliation.   

Its against the religion of Islam to hurt innocent people even if they profess to kill you. In Islam you don't punish the criminal before he has committed the crime, neither do you kill Umer for the crime of AbuBakr. 

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22 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Salam aleykoum ,

I often heard that. And many say "Its because the shia muslims persecuted sunnis in Iraq if ISIS exist".

What do you think about that ?

That is usually the sectarians who say such a thing. In reality, both suffers from the corrupted Iraq. The blames goes for those who have corrupted Iraq and for those who made war against Iraq.

Edited by Dhulfikar

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23 hours ago, alidu78 said:

"Its because the shia muslims persecuted sunnis in Iraq if ISIS exist".

The only possible logic for this could be as follows. 

I would not be surprised that once the Saddam regime had been dismantled, there was a little score-settling between victims of Saddam's crimes (mostly Shia) and the people who had carried them out (mostly Sunni).

But this would have been on a 1:1 basis, not blowing up mosques and queues of police recruits. The latter attacks were numerous after the invasion and again nearly always involved Sunnis attacking Shias.

Still, it does not require a lot of imagination to think of a scenario where Saddam's killers realised that there was not going to be much hope for them in a Shia-majority Iraq and it would be in their interest to fight for some kind of partition.

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44 minutes ago, Umayyad said:

If you are able to put your bias aside here are some reads on Shia crimes against Sunnis in Iraq.

 

Here's a more comprehensive list. Mostly takfirirs against Shias & other Sunnis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Iraq_in_2008

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1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Here's a more comprehensive list. Mostly takfirirs against Shias & other Sunnis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Iraq_in_2008

A list that is not relevant to the topic which is shia-militia-persecuted and a list that does not include Nouri Maliki the US shi3i puppets crimes against Ahlu Sunnah :cool:

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41 minutes ago, Umayyad said:

A list that is not relevant to the topic which is shia-militia-persecuted and a list that does not include Nouri Maliki the US shi3i puppets crimes against Ahlu Sunnah :cool:

They just list all attacks by all sides and the majority are clearly by Sunnis, not Shia militias.

Of course, you are welcome to go through the news reports from 2008 and identify attacks by Shias which are not on that list if you want to argue that it is imbalanced.

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2 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

They just list all attacks by all sides and the majority are clearly by Sunnis, not Shia militias.

Of course, you are welcome to go through the news reports from 2008 and identify attacks by Shias which are not on that list if you want to argue that it is imbalanced.

Did you even read my last post? 

 

50 minutes ago, Umayyad said:

A list that is not relevant to the topic which is shia-militia-persecuted and a list that does not include Nouri Maliki the US shi3i puppets crimes against Ahlu Sunnah :cool:

 

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Salam, 

Well I heard some stories from Iraqi refugees that there are some areas in Iraq where you got butchered when you have a name like Abu bakr or Umar. 

As-Sadr also made some complaints about some Shia muslims who were also guilty of a sectarian mindset. 

Still I wouldn't say this is the root-cause. It already started in the Saddam era and it are outsiders who want to stir up the sectarian conflict.

 

Edited by Skanderbeg

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4 minutes ago, Skanderbeg said:

It's Ironic that you bear the name of the butchers of all butchers.

Prophet-slayers of the last era of Islam.

Not taking the bait dear.

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^Umayyed, stop posting nonsense........... there is not many civilians amongst Sunni-Arab Iraqis, majority of them are aiding ISIS, a group who massacred civilians in Iraq and finally they took over cities with the help of tribes and local Sunni population... they are responsible and share the crimes committed by ISIS. And they must be punished for that... including the Takfiri mosques who enjoy and encourage the massacre and killing of Iraqi citizens.

The Sunni tribal leader and politician even asks to drop chemical or atomic bombs on Anbar and other areas who are involved in aiding ISIS and are committing atrocities... he is a Sunni himself. If there were groups amongst Shias like ISIS or Alqaida and they did brutalize and massacre Sunnis, then the Sunni retaliation in any country would be to kill Shias anywhere they could.... but you are lucky that Shias do not retaliate the way they should.

Anyhow, here is the Sunni politician and his atomic/chemical plans for ISIS supporters,

Head of Al-Anbar Salvation Council Hameed Al-Hayes: Drop Nuclear, Chemical Weapons on Al-Anbar         

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVvLJYU4GQ

 

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10 hours ago, Noah- said:

^Umayyed, stop posting nonsense........... there is not many civilians amongst Sunni-Arab Iraqis, majority of them are aiding ISIS, a group who massacred civilians in Iraq and finally they took over cities with the help of tribes and local Sunni population... they are responsible and share the crimes committed by ISIS. And they must be punished for that... including the Takfiri mosques who enjoy and encourage the massacre and killing of Iraqi citizens.

The Sunni tribal leader and politician even asks to drop chemical or atomic bombs on Anbar and other areas who are involved in aiding ISIS and are committing atrocities... he is a Sunni himself. If there were groups amongst Shias like ISIS or Alqaida and they did brutalize and massacre Sunnis, then the Sunni retaliation in any country would be to kill Shias anywhere they could.... but you are lucky that Shias do not retaliate the way they should.

Anyhow, here is the Sunni politician and his atomic/chemical plans for ISIS supporters,

Head of Al-Anbar Salvation Council Hameed Al-Hayes: Drop Nuclear, Chemical Weapons on Al-Anbar         

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVvLJYU4GQ

 

Are the admins going to warn/ban this guy for saying genocide against sunnis is good and calling for more genocide or does this forum endorse sunni genocide which would not surprise me? 

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^There never been a genocide against Sunnis from the hands of Shias and I don't call for any genocide. But, I am talking about Takfiris and those who aid and support Takfiris, those who are mass-murderers and encourage Shia killing.....and all their supporters..... Iraqis have every right to deal with murderers and their supporters in any way they want.  That is non of your business, the same way you Sunnis say its Saudis internal affair whatever they do to Shia minorities or in Bahrain and elsewhere.

You and the entire Sunni population either remained quiet or supported the unjust execution of Ayatollah Nimr and instead most Sunni states blamed Iran for the incident... THAT IS IN YOUR BLOOD AND NATURE to support oppression and genocide on the basis of sectarianism.

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2 hours ago, Noah- said:

You and the entire Sunni population either remained quiet or supported the unjust execution of Ayatollah Nimr 

Not taking the bait dear. If i were to comment we both know what will happen to my account :grin:

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Yes it is true but these events happens only when Sunnis have done larger massacre. Shia does it for revenge which is still wrong but what you expect  when Sunnis everyday kills people with bombing? For example Isis has killed 19.000  civilian in year and half  according  Un report. It is good thing that most of Shias have patience... Weeks ago Isis bombed the mall in Diyala which killed 80 shia.... Some crazy shia attacked to  Sunni  mosque for revenge attack which is wrong...  Shia militants killed 70 at Musab Bin umair mosque massacre  and that was revenge attack for Isis that killed 1700 Iraqi soldier camp speicher massacre...

Sunnis really should stop the thinking that Shia muslims are kafir because the bombing is never going to stop that way..... Sunnis also need understand that the whole Iraq is struggling  because of Government.. not because it is Shia led. Most of all government  members are corrupted no matter if they are Shia,Sunni or kurdish... 

 

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4 hours ago, Umayyad said:

Not taking the bait dear. If i were to comment we both know what will happen to my account :grin:

Good. Expose yourself.

You obviously support and justify the execution of Ayatollah Nimr and that is why you say that, AND at the mean time you are the same hypocrite who speaks of "Shia militias abusing Sunnis" in Iraq and try to play victim here.

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On 1/25/2016 at 11:48 PM, Noah- said:

Good. Expose yourself.

You obviously support and justify the execution of Ayatollah Nimr and that is why you say that, AND at the mean time you are the same hypocrite who speaks of "Shia militias abusing Sunnis" in Iraq and try to play victim here.

You called for Genocide : ) and the admins did nothing about it. Yet you find the shia crying victim all the time. 

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On 1/30/2016 at 11:03 PM, alidu78 said:

You spoke about the crimes of Saddam against shia but you forget this [contemptible man] of Zarqawi :D . I will never say we must fight sunni like you said but sunnis did also massacres against shia.

Saddam Hussein didnt kill Shias because they are shias. He killed whoever rebelled and revolted. You rafidi millitias are killing Sunnis because they are Sunnis all thanks to the Americans who gave you Iraq on a silver plate :grin:

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9 hours ago, Umayyad said:

Saddam Hussein didnt kill Shias because they are shias. He killed whoever rebelled and revolted. You rafidi millitias are killing Sunnis because they are Sunnis all thanks to the Americans who gave you Iraq on a silver plate :grin:

Yes thats why he killed many scholars and sent shia soldiers in iran and said " I will send my dirty shia arabs for killed this racist persian majoos" :)

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7 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Yes thats why he killed many scholars and sent shia soldiers in iran and said " I will send my dirty shia arabs for killed this racist persian majoos" :)

Rafidis seem to enjoy making things on the spot :clap: Bring me a clip were Saddam said that. 

 

12 hours ago, repenter said:

LoL, please do not ban this guy! Pure entertainment!

Keep it up buddy, this is gold!

Its always cute to watch someone commit a fallacy and think he is smart for committing it. keep your misuse of humor fallacies coming "buddy" :cool:

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5 hours ago, alidu78 said:

So you said Saddam killed only those who rebelliate so if we follow your logic Bachar is right also when he killed many syrian rebels who are in majority sunni :) ?

Saying Sadam did x and not y is not the same as saying x is right. Seems you should learn logic before you start using the word. 

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9 hours ago, Umayyad said:

 

Its always cute to watch someone commit a fallacy and think he is smart for committing it. keep your misuse of humor fallacies coming "buddy" :cool:

Cheering a monkey for amusing you is hardly a crime nor a fallacy, it's actually mustahab according to hajj wahab. 

I'll promise to stop cheering if you promise to not stop writing, deal?

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2 minutes ago, repenter said:

Cheering a monkey for amusing you is hardly a crime nor a fallacy, it's actually mustahab according to hajj wahab. 

I'll promise to stop cheering if you promise to not stop writing, deal?

Ohh my more fallacies. I just leave this for you here http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies 

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Salam, 

As a pan-Arab nationalist Saddam considered Shia Islam to be a Persian and non-Arab belief and therefore he wanted to wipe it out. 

You should read the book 'Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies' which title phrase he had etched  into a plaque he kept on his desk

Edited by Skanderbeg

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10 minutes ago, Skanderbeg said:

Salam, 

As a pan-Arab nationalist Saddam considered Shia Islam to be a Persian and non-Arab belief and therefore he wanted to wipe it out. 

You should read the book 'Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies' which title phrase he had etched  into a plaque he kept on his desk

Oh my somebody thinks they know something. Now show me where Khairallah stated that all shia are persians, or that shiites are to be equated with persians.

 

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