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Contradictions in the Bible , verse by verse

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At the request of "Son of Placid" if there really is contradictions in the bible because he doesnt believe they exist, to produce them , so here they are (by the way these are very easily found on the internet, there is tonnes of them available to read, not my own work) i have selected undisputed ones to share 

Firstly what does the Quran say :

"Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur’an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!" 

"Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from God, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."

And The Bible is FULL OF THEM!!!

 There were giants before the Flood. Gen.6:4.
 All, except Noah and his family, were destroyed in the Flood. Gen.7:21-23; 2 Pet.2:5.
There were giants after the Flood. Num.13:33.


It is wrong to lend money with interest. Lev.25:36, 37; Ex.22:25; Deut.23:19, 20; Ezek.22:12; Neh.5:7,10.
It is wrong to lend money without interest. Mt.25:27; Lk.19:23-27.


24,000 died in the plague. Num.25:9.
23,000 died in the plague. 1 Cor.10:8


Arphaxad was the father of Salah. Gen.11:12.
Arphaxad was the grandfather of Salah. Lk.3:35,36.

The circumcision covenant was forever. Gen.17:10-13.
The circumcision covenant was of no importance. Gal.6:15.


God made Solomon the wisest king that ever lived, stating there would never be another like him. 1 Ki.3:12.
Jesus said that he was greater than Solomon. Mt.12:42; Lk.11:31.

Ahimalech was the high priest when David ate the shewbread. 1 Sam.21:1-6.
Abiathar was the high priest when David ate the shewbread. Mk.2:26

Lot committed incest with his two daughters. Gen.19:30-38.
Lot was a righteous man. 2 Pet.2:7,8.


God tempts. Gen.22:1.
Satan tempts. 1 Cor.7:5.
God allows temptation. Job 1:8-12; Job 2:3-7.
God tempts no one. Jms.1:13.
Everything happens by chance. Ecc.9:11,12.

Noah was righteous. Gen.7:1.
Job was righteous. Job 1:1,8; Job 2:3.
Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous. Lk.1:5,6.
Some men are righteous. Jms.5:16; 1 Jn.3:7.
No one is righteous. Rom.3:10,23; 1 Jn.1:8-10.

The law was given directly to Moses. Deut.10:1-5.
The law was given through angels. Gal.3:19.

Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Gen.16:15; Gen.21:1,3,9; Gal.4:22.
Abraham had several other sons. Gen.25:1,2.
Abraham had only one son. Heb.11:17


Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite. Gen.50:13.
Jacob was buried in a sepulchre at Sychem bought from the sons of Hamor. Acts 7:15,16.


God approves the making of vows. Num.30:1,2.
Jesus forbids the making of vows. Mt.5:33-37.
"God" and "Jesus" are one in the same. Jn.10:30.


Some castrates will receive special rewards. Is.56:4,5.
Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates. Mt.19:12.
A castrate can not enter the assembly of God. Deut.23:1.


A man can divorce his wife for any reason and both can remarry. Deut.24:1,2.
Divorce is wrong and remarriage is adultery. Mk.10:11,12.
Adam sinned, therefore all men are condemned to death. Rom.5:12,19; 1 Cor.15:22.
Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins. Deut.24:16; 2 Ki.14:6; 2 Chr.25:4; Ezek.18:20.


God is vengeful. Gen.4:15; Deut.32:35; Ezek.25:14-17; Nah.1:2; Rom.12:19; Heb.10:30.
God is a warrior. Ex.15:3; Is.42:13; Ps.24:8.
God is a consuming fire. Deut.4:24; Deut.9:3; Heb.12:29.
God is jealous. Ex.20:5; Ex.34:14; Deut.4:24; Deut.5:9; Deut.6:15; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:21.
God murders and kills. Num.31:7,17; Deut.20:16,17; Josh.10:40; Jud.14:19; Ezek.9:5,6; Num.11:33.
God is angry. Num.32:14; Num.25:3,4; Deut.6:15; Deut.9:7,8; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:21; Ps.7:11; Ps.78:49; Jer.4:8; Jer.17:4; Jer.32:30,31; Zeph.2:2; 2 Sam.22:8,9; Ezek.6:12.
God is love and peace. 2 Cor.13:11,14; 1 Jn.4:8,16; Rom.15:33.
God's spirit inspires love, peace, etc. Gal.5:22,23.
God never changes. Mal.3:6.


Elijah went up to heaven. 2 Ki.2:11.
A man, known to Paul, went up to heaven. 2 Cor.12:2-4.
Enoch went "to heaven". Gen.5:24; Heb.11:5.
Only "Jesus" ever went up to heaven. Jn.3:13.


God does not change his mind. Numb.23:19; Is.40:8; Jms.1:17.
God does change his mind. Gen.6:6,7; Ex.32:14; Num.14:20; 1 Sam.15:35; 2 Sam.24:16


Abraham saw God. Gen.12:7; Gen.17:1; Gen.26:2.
Isaac saw God. Ge. 26:1-3.
Jacob saw God. Gen.32:30.
Moses saw God. Ex.3:16; Ex.33:11.
Job saw God. Job 42:5.
Amos saw God. Amos 7: 7.
Many saw God. Ex.24:9-11.
No man can see God and live. Ex.33:20; Jn.1:18; 1 Jn.4:12.


The Israelites are instructed to mark their houses so that God will know to bypass them. Ex.12:13.
God knows all things at all times. Prov.15: 3; Jer.16:17; Jer.23:24; Heb.4:13.
God confused the language at Babel. Gen.11:9.
God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor.14:33.


It was impossible for God and Judah together to defeat the enemy. Jud.1:19.
Nothing is impossible for God. Lk.1:37.

 

God prohibits killing. Ex.20:13; Deut.5:17; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9; Jms.2:11.
God orders killing. Ex.32:27; Deut.7:2; Deut.13:9,15; Deut.20:17; Josh. 10:40; 2 Ki.19:35; Ezek. 9:4-6.



Sacrifices never take away sin. Heb.10:11.
Sacrifices were to take away sin. Num.15:24-28.
"Jesus" sacrifice took away sins. Heb.10:12; Heb.9:26-28.

God is sometimes angry. Deut.6:15; Deut.9:7,8; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:22.
Anger is a sin. Mt.5:22.


"God" destroys his enemies. Deut.7:9,10.
"Jesus" said to love your enemies. Mt.5:44,45.


God shows no mercy to some. Ex.4:21; Josh.11:20.
God is merciful to all. Deut.4:31; Lk.6:36; Jms.5:11.


Satan deceives. Rev.12:9.
God deceives. Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11.


God cannot lie and hates lying. Prov.12:22; Heb.6:18.
God condones lying. 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.


The Spirit of God is truth. Jn.14:17; Jn.15:26; Jn.16:13; 1 Jn.4:6; 1 Jn.5:6.
The Spirit of God is a lying or evil spirit. 1 Sam.16:14-16,23; 1 Sam.18:10; 1 Sam.19:9; 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.


God dwells in thick darkness. 1 Ki.8:12; 2 Chr.6:1; Ps.18:11.
God dwells in unapproachable light. 1 Ti.6:16.

The linage was: Joram, Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah, Asariah, Jotham. 1 Chr.3:11,12.
The linage was: Joram, Ozias, Joatham, etc. Mt.1:8,9.


The righteous are "persecuted" while the wicked are "blessed". Job 2:3-6; Job 21:7-15; 2 Ti.3:12.
The righteous are "blessed" while the wicked are "destroyed". Ps.55:23; Ps.92:12-14; Prov.10:2,3,27-32; Prov.12:2,21.


God told David to build a "house" for him. 2 Sam.7:4-6.
God told David not to build a "house" for him. 1 Chr.22:8; 1 Chr.28:2,3.
God said the David's son should build a "house" for him. 1 Ki.8:19; 1 Chr.22:9,10; Acts 7:47.
God said that he does not dwell in places made with hands. Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24.


God's anger does not last forever. Ps.30:5; Jer.3:12; Mic.7:18.
God's anger does last forever. Jer.17:4; Mt.25:46.


The earth was established forever. Ps.78:69; Ecc.1:4.
The earth will someday perish. Ps.102:25,26; Mt.24:35; Mk.13:31; Lk.21:33; Heb.1:10,11; 2 Pet.3:10.

Wisdom makes a man happy. Prov.3:13.
Seek wisdom. Prov.4:7; Prov.19:8.
God gives wisdom. Jms.1:5.
Wisdom is foolishness. 1 Cor.1:19,20; 1 Cor.3:18-20.

The godly obtain favor from God. Prov.12:2; Rom.8:28.
The godly will be persecuted and scourged. 2 Tim.3:12; Heb.12:6.


It is wise to understand your future direction. Prov.14:8.
Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you. Mt.6:25-34.


Do not answer a fool, otherwise you become foolish, too. Prov.26:4.
Answer a fool; otherwise, he will think himself wise. Prov.26:5.

God's word is true. Prov.30:5.
God deceives. Jer.20:7; Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11,12.


God made the wicked to be destroyed. Prov.16:4.
God deceives the wicked so they will be destroyed. 2 Thes.2:11,12.
God wants all to be saved. 1 Tim.2:3,4; 2 Pet.3:9.

The fear of God keeps men from evil. Prov.8:13; Prov.16:6.
Fear came on those baptized. Acts 2:41-43.
Cast out all fear because fear is torment. 1 Jn.4:18.


The simple believe everything, but a wise man looks carefully. Prov.14:15.
Believe as little children; otherwise, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Mt.18:3; Lk.18:17.

God alone created heaven and earth. Is.44:24.
He had help. Jn.1:1-4.

Some sow wheat but reap thorns. Jer.12:13.
Some will sow but never reap anything. Mic.6:15.
Some will never sow but will still reap. Mt.25:26; Lk.19:22.

The law was not good. Ezek.20:25.
The law was good. Rom.7:12; 1 Tim.1:8.


The law distinguishes between clean and unclean foods. Lev.10 and 11; Deut.14.
Paul says that all foods are clean. 1 Tim.4: 1-4.
A "heavenly voice" told Peter the same thing. Acts 11: 6-9.
Jesus states that there is no such distinction. Mk.7:14,15.
Jesus also states the permanence of the law. Mt.5:17-19; Lk.16:17.


The chief priest rends his clothes at Jesus' trial. Mt.26:65; Mk.14:63.
The chief priest is not to rend his clothes. Lev.21:10.


Do not covet anything. Ex.20:17.
Seek another's wealth. 1 Cor.10:24.


David was a begotten son. Ps.2:7.
Jesus was the only begotten son. Jn.1:17,18.

 

God shows no injustice or partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.
God shows mercy or hardens whom he chooses. Ex. 33:19; Rom.9:15,18.

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You can go through and deal with each of those if you want.

But I can search the Quranic " issues" ,too.

there are supposedly hundreds, but here's a seasonally appropriate one:

 

How many angels talked to Mary?
One    Or.    More than one?
19: 16-19
And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God- fearing. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
3: 42
And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
3: 45
(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

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24 minutes ago, mightymask said:
24 minutes ago, mightymask said:

At the request of "Son of Placid" if there really is contradictions in the bible because he doesnt believe they exist, to produce them , so here they are (by the way these are very easily found on the internet, there is tonnes of them available to read, not my own work) i have selected undisputed ones to share 

Firstly what does the Quran say :

"Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur’an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!"

 

 

Salam/Shalom/Peace Mightymask,

Critics of the Qur'an can most definitely find contradictions in the Qur'an. Most Muslims who know the Qur'an can explain those contradictions based on context. 

In the same way, Christians who know the Bible can explain contradictions based on context:

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And The Bible is FULL OF THEM!!!

 There were giants before the Flood. Gen.6:4.
 All, except Noah and his family, were destroyed in the Flood. Gen.7:21-23; 2 Pet.2:5.
There were giants after the Flood. Num.13:33.

How is the above a contradiction? Do you believe that anyone in Noah's sons and daughter-in-laws could not contain any DNA that produces bigger people (giants)?

While I don't agree with everything the gentleman teaches, I do think the following video is interesting concerning giants. I love the Bible, and how he studies the Bible for answers! :)

Please remember that the Canaanites were enemies of the Children of Israel. They scared most of the Children of Israel during the time of Moses because they were so tall and huge, much bigger than the Children of Israel. Moses, Joshua and Caleb weren't scared of them though, but rather trusted in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). :)

The speaker makes the important point that "They were called giants in height" compared to the Israelites of that time.

Peace and God bless you
 

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Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.

NO mention WHATSOEVER of any giants on the Ark, WHATSOEVER!!! so dont try to explain it with modern terminology about DNA 

its really funny when you try to explain things with absolute nonsense , but then again looking at what kind of a god you have, its not surprise you completely implement his teachings  :


God does not change his mind. Numb.23:19; Is.40:8; Jms.1:17.
God does change his mind. Gen.6:6,7; Ex.32:14; Num.14:20; 1 Sam.15:35; 2 Sam.24:16
 

Satan deceives. Rev.12:9.
God deceives. Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11.


God cannot lie and hates lying. Prov.12:22; Heb.6:18.
God condones lying. 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.


The Spirit of God is truth. Jn.14:17; Jn.15:26; Jn.16:13; 1 Jn.4:6; 1 Jn.5:6.
The Spirit of God is a lying or evil spirit. 1 Sam.16:14-16,23; 1 Sam.18:10; 1 Sam.19:9; 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.

God's word is true. Prov.30:5.
God deceives. Jer.20:7; Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11,12.

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22 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

You can go through and deal with each of those if you want.

But I can search the Quranic " issues" ,too.

there are supposedly hundreds, but here's a seasonally appropriate one:

 

How many angels talked to Mary?
One    Or.    More than one?
19: 16-19
And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God- fearing. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
3: 42
And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
3: 45
(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

Are you that stupid? that's not  a contradiction, that's totally separate events 
Show me a verse that follows those verses that says more then one angel came to her , contradicting the first verse 

this aint the Bible you know , the Bible has COMPLETE and OPPOSITE statements 

Some castrates will receive special rewards. Is.56:4,5.
Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates. Mt.19:12.
A castrate can not enter the assembly of God. Deut.23:1. 
 

It is wrong to lend money with interest. Lev.25:36, 37; Ex.22:25; Deut.23:19, 20; Ezek.22:12; Neh.5:7,10.
It is wrong to lend money without interest. Mt.25:27; Lk.19:23-27.

God's anger does not last forever. Ps.30:5; Jer.3:12; Mic.7:18.
God's anger does last forever. Jer.17:4; Mt.25:46.

Wisdom makes a man happy. Prov.3:13.
Seek wisdom. Prov.4:7; Prov.19:8.
God gives wisdom. Jms.1:5.
Wisdom is foolishness. 1 Cor.1:19,20; 1 Cor.3:18-20.

The chief priest rends his clothes at Jesus' trial. Mt.26:65; Mk.14:63.
The chief priest is not to rend his clothes. Lev.21:10.


Do not covet anything. Ex.20:17.
Seek another's wealth. 1 Cor.10:24.


David was a begotten son. Ps.2:7.
Jesus was the only begotten son. Jn.1:17,18.
 

THOSE are opposite contradicting statements , that MEN wrote and claimed it to be from God because MEN make such mistakes not God 

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There are plenty of explanations based on language and context.

not going to do it today.

maybe later.

i'm not much of a literalist, and, as a Catholic, am not obliged to be...so most of these wouldn't bother me anyway.

Find some fundie Protestants to fight with.

you can amuse yourself by working through my Google search.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/by_name.html

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15 minutes ago, mightymask said:

Are you that stupid? that's not  a contradiction, that's totally separate events 
Show me a verse that follows those verses that says more then one angel came to her , contradicting the first verse 

this aint the Bible you know , the Bible has COMPLETE and OPPOSITE statements 

Some castrates will receive special rewards. Is.56:4,5.
Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates. Mt.19:12.
A castrate can not enter the assembly of God. Deut.23:1. 
 

It is wrong to lend money with interest. Lev.25:36, 37; Ex.22:25; Deut.23:19, 20; Ezek.22:12; Neh.5:7,10.
It is wrong to lend money without interest. Mt.25:27; Lk.19:23-27.

God's anger does not last forever. Ps.30:5; Jer.3:12; Mic.7:18.
God's anger does last forever. Jer.17:4; Mt.25:46.

Wisdom makes a man happy. Prov.3:13.
Seek wisdom. Prov.4:7; Prov.19:8.
God gives wisdom. Jms.1:5.
Wisdom is foolishness. 1 Cor.1:19,20; 1 Cor.3:18-20.

The chief priest rends his clothes at Jesus' trial. Mt.26:65; Mk.14:63.
The chief priest is not to rend his clothes. Lev.21:10.


Do not covet anything. Ex.20:17.
Seek another's wealth. 1 Cor.10:24.


David was a begotten son. Ps.2:7.
Jesus was the only begotten son. Jn.1:17,18.
 

THOSE are opposite contradicting statements , that MEN wrote and claimed it to be from God because MEN make such mistakes not God 

It is wrong to lend money with interest. Lev.25:36, 37; Ex.22:25; Deut.23:19, 20; Ezek.22:12; Neh.5:7,10.
It is wrong to lend money without interest. Mt.25:27; Lk.19:23-27.

Salam Mightymask,

Matthew 25:27 is not a commandment; it's a part of a parable Jesus Christ taught his followers. It's important to study the context of the parable. A parable is an earthly story with a spiritual meaning: (I boldened some.) This specific parable teaches Jesus Christ's followers to be faithful with what God gives us. Luke 19:23-27 is the same parable yet worded differently, with the same lesson for Jesus Christ's followers to learn:

Matthew 25:27 and Luke 19:23-27 are not commands to lend money with interest, but rather are part of a parable that Jesus Christ used to teach the importance of being faithful with the talents God has given us.

Context is important, as Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) showed me with 5:51 of the Qur'an.

Peace and God bless you

 

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17 minutes ago, mightymask said:

Are you that stupid?

Salam Mightymask,

LeftCoastMom is not stupid at all. She is a wonderful Christian lady who is highly intelligent and is an awesome sister in Christ. While I disagree with her in some areas, I have utmost respect for her. Please do not insult her. Thanks.

Peace and God bless you

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3 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

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Context is important, as Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) showed me with 5:51 of the Qur'an.

Peace and God bless you

 

There are several places on the Net where folks have ripped up the Quran. I just showed him one example. He can't seem to apply same to Bible...

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3 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

There are several places on the Net where folks have ripped up the Quran. I just showed him one example. He can't seem to apply same to Bible...

Salam LeftCoastMom,

Yeah, both the Bible and the Qur'an have contradictions. However, both Christians and Muslims can explain the contradictions. As a literalist :) it is important to me to study the contradictions in both the Bible and the Qur'an. However, the contradictions have not shaken my faith that the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the New Testament are the written Word of God that God protects.

I love the Bible so it's important to me to address the contradictions even though I know he wont accept my explanations, which is fine. Freedoms of religion and speech and press are beautiful blessings from God to people nowadays!

Peace and God bless you

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13 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

Salam Mightymask,

Matthew 25:27 is not a commandment; it's a part of a parable Jesus Christ taught his followers. It's important to study the context of the parable. A parable is an earthly story with a spiritual meaning: (I boldened some.) This specific parable teaches Jesus Christ's followers to be faithful with what God gives us. Luke 19:23-27 is the same parable yet worded differently, with the same lesson for Jesus Christ's followers to learn:

Matthew 25:27 and Luke 19:23-27 are not commands to lend money with interest, but rather are part of a parable that Jesus Christ used to teach the importance of being faithful with the talents God has given us.

Context is important, as Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) showed me with 5:51 of the Qur'an.

Peace and God bless you

 

No it is not what you claim it is, it is actually a CONTRADICTION just like the other hundred thousands of them 

its no wonder Christians are leaving Christianity, if i were a Christian i would leave too  

it is riddled with contradictions , and the ones i listed are not even all of them!!! 
 

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1 minute ago, mightymask said:

No it is not what you claim it is, it is actually a CONTRADICTION just like the other hundred thousands of them 

 

Salam Mightymask,

You can of course think what you like, but Jesus Christ was not contradicting the Law of Moses when he was telling a parable that teaches his followers to be faithful with the talents God gives us.

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its no wonder Christians are leaving Christianity, if i were a Christian i would leave too  

Jesus Christ prophesied: "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

- Matthew 24:10-14 (NIV) - I boldened some.

Jesus Christ prophesied that many will turn from the faith and that is indeed happening. However, I would rather die a million deaths than turn away from my Master, Jesus Christ.

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it is riddled with contradictions , and the ones i listed are not even all of them!!! 

Many of the alleged contradictions are just because people are not understanding the context, like many of the alleged contradictions in the Qur'an.

I have to go now because my hubby will be home soon. However, if God wills I hope to address other alleged contradictions that you posted later.

Peace and God bless you

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2 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

Salam LeftCoastMom,

Yeah, both the Bible and the Qur'an have contradictions. However, both Christians and Muslims can explain the contradictions. As a literalist :) it is important to me to study the contradictions in both the Bible and the Qur'an. However, the contradictions have not shaken my faith that the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the New Testament are the written Word of God that God protects.

I love the Bible so it's important to me to address the contradictions even though I know he wont accept my explanations, which is fine. Freedoms of religion and speech and press are beautiful blessings from God to people nowadays!

Peace and God bless you

No the Quran doesnt have contradictions

However your Bible has the most explicit examples of contradicitons to date!!

But then again according to the bible 

Satan deceives. Rev.12:9.
God deceives. Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11.

so your worshipping Satan

God cannot lie and hates lying. Prov.12:22; Heb.6:18.
God condones lying. 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.

THAT is a contradiction 

The Spirit of God is truth. Jn.14:17; Jn.15:26; Jn.16:13; 1 Jn.4:6; 1 Jn.5:6.
The Spirit of God is a lying or evil spirit. 1 Sam.16:14-16,23; 1 Sam.18:10; 1 Sam.19:9; 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.

Again your clearly worshipping Satan, again AN OPPOSITE STATEMENT and explicit contradiction 

God dwells in thick darkness. 1 Ki.8:12; 2 Chr.6:1; Ps.18:11.
God dwells in unapproachable light. 1 Ti.6:16.

THAT is a Contradiction !!!

Opposites , Your God is in thick Dark unapproachable LIGHT?

What you have on your hands is this:

"Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from God, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."

"Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur’an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!" 

Men written books , its no wonder they got things so confused and mixed up 

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2 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

Salam Mightymask,

You can of course think what you like, but Jesus Christ was not contradicting the Law of Moses when he was telling a parable that teaches his followers to be faithful with the talents God gives us.

Jesus Christ prophesied: "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

- Matthew 24:10-14 (NIV) - I boldened some.

Jesus Christ prophesied that many will turn from the faith and that is indeed happening. However, I would rather die a million deaths than turn away from my Master, Jesus Christ.

Many of the alleged contradictions are just because people are not understanding the context, like many of the alleged contradictions in the Qur'an.

I have to go now because my hubby will be home soon. However, if God wills I hope to address other alleged contradictions that you posted later.

Peace and God bless you

Satan deceives. Rev.12:9.
God deceives. Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11.

That is not a parable, that is a CONTRADICTION that one man wrote in one book, and another man wrote in another book 

You DO know i hope that the Bible wasn't written by one man, but by MANY different men from different times, who were not aware of what oen was writing and hence knowingly contradicted the other via "inspiration" , and these books you have called the Bible, is their interpretation

It is NOT from God, but from MEN who wrote it with their own hands so that they can sell you a good story  

but then again it says in that same book that "God is the author of confusion" and that "Satan is the author of confusion" so clearly your God is Satan , because only Satan can do that to you, not a pure good God that is omni conscious

 

Quran has NO contradictions, and if you think you can prove me wrong open a new thread and we will discuss every one of your claims 

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1 hour ago, Christianlady said:

Salam/Shalom/Peace Mightymask,

Critics of the Qur'an can most definitely find contradictions in the Qur'an. Most Muslims who know the Qur'an can explain those contradictions based on context. 

In the same way, Christians who know the Bible can explain contradictions based on context:

How is the above a contradiction? Do you believe that anyone in Noah's sons and daughter-in-laws could not contain any DNA that produces bigger people (giants)?

While I don't agree with everything the gentleman teaches, I do think the following video is interesting concerning giants. I love the Bible, and how he studies the Bible for answers! :)

Please remember that the Canaanites were enemies of the Children of Israel. They scared most of the Children of Israel during the time of Moses because they were so tall and huge, much bigger than the Children of Israel. Moses, Joshua and Caleb weren't scared of them though, but rather trusted in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). :)

The speaker makes the important point that "They were called giants in height" compared to the Israelites of that time.

Peace and God bless you
 

Interesting subject, the Biblical accounts of giants always fascinated me. Obviously, these weren't normal "people" that were taller than the ancient Israelite. The Nephilim survived through their descendants, the sons of Anak (Numbers 13:33) This narrative is unique to the chapter Numbers only, but still, why does Numbers say the giants survived and other accounts say that they all perished? God inspired does not equal infallibility.

Edited by Gaius I. Caesar

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24 minutes ago, Christianlady said:

Salam Mightymask,

LeftCoastMom is not stupid at all. She is a wonderful Christian lady who is highly intelligent and is an awesome sister in Christ. While I disagree with her in some areas, I have utmost respect for her. Please do not insult her. Thanks.

Peace and God bless you

Thank you. I don't think I'm stupid, either...some of the time, anyway.

I think the people who throw these things up on Google are often ignorant of all Scriptures , have no knowledge of languages,and rip things out of context. That's why I put it up. Not because I care to attack the Quran. I don't.

He got that regarding the Quran, not the Bible...lol.

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15 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Thank you. I don't think I'm stupid, either...some of the time, anyway.

I think the people who throw these things up on Google are often ignorant of all Scriptures , have no knowledge of languages,and rip things out of context. That's why I put it up. Not because I care to attack the Quran. I don't.

He got that regarding the Quran, not the Bible...lol.

I agree, one shouldn't attack Scriptures and ignorantly take them out of context but he does raises valid concerns about the seemly explicit contradictions within the Bible, the contradictions were too much for me, so I left Christianity. Still he is wrong for taking his anger out on you guys.

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^ Since I have a different vision of Scripture from CL , I will let her go through and explain all of them if she cares to. I could do so and have with some before, but I don't like to deal with brick walls and moving goalposts. Thank you for your kindness. :)

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1 hour ago, mightymask said:

No it is not what you claim it is, it is actually a CONTRADICTION just like the other hundred thousands of them 

its no wonder Christians are leaving Christianity, if i were a Christian i would leave too  

it is riddled with contradictions , and the ones i listed are not even all of them!!! 
 

One has to wonder how many people in the Muslim countries where it is against the rules to leave Islam or convert to another faith would do so if given a choice.

in the US, when I check into interfaith sites, the Muslim leaders are always talking about the high rate of apostasy among converts ( reverts,whatever the correct term is) and how the youth and young adults are not living as practicing Muslims. Then there are reports recently of the two million converts from Islam to Orthodox Christianity in ...Russia? Way to go @Servidor

Even sharing some of the same issues, numerically ,Christians and Muslims are doing well on this planet and will be living together for a looong time to come...assuming any of us has a long time. :grin:

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I've studied the Quran - there are no contradictions.

We have to understand that these verses all came from one Man - Muhammed s.a.w through revelation. People during his life would recite them. Had there been any clear-cut contradiction it would have been enough to reject him. Therefore people who may feel they see contradictions lack context - which people then knew.

The bible on the other hand, many authors we don't know who they are. There were many books from all over the region compiled together into the cannocial work , and so it only makes sense for there to be contradictions. Contradictions on things such as 2000 or 3000. Grandfather or father etc. Clear-cut things like that, which nobody can explain away no matter how fluid  their intepretation.

I've seen and heard some christians admit there are contradictions in the Bible - but say it isn't literalist.

I do love christians though. In paticular i have had so much joy after reading and learning works from William Lane Craig with regards to the existence of God. I don't accept everything - but there is a lot of common ground.

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I just want to say that the Bible in comparison to the Islamic scriptures is more equivalent of Hadith in Islam but with far less information on its authors, and chain of narrators etc

The bible authors of the various books are people who put together various information that they had in their time, from hearsay and from other texts that the few who could read, have observed 

There is truth in the Bible i dont deny that, there are certain things in the Bible that were indeed passed down vocally from people that Jesus said or from the old scriptures from the time of Moses and other Prophets which they taught 

People dont realise this but during the time of Jesus and afterwards there were many people on the street giving lectures" talking about God and other beliefs they had , kind of like street preachers of today, some quoted verses from old scriptures and the laws of Torah etc , others quoted their own "inspirations" and others yet made up things just to make money , an it was from this and in the style of this that many books were discovered such as the old manuscripts from which the books of the bible were constructed, and other sources like the dead sea scrolls and other various sources, over time that was discovered archaeologically, that was how the bible was made which we have today, and over the years revised and changed and manipulated when compared to others archaeological findings , with the first English version put together by King James from the Greek translations(the oldest would be the Aramaic)

However the Quran came to one man i.e Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) throughout a certain period of his life by revelation, and hadith came also during his life and afterwards

But we in Islam make the distinction , we have hadiths and we also have even biographies of the narrators, we know who they are about their lives, whether they were trustworthy and honest people , and we study their lives and based on that we study the hadiths from them , as there were MANY thousands hadiths written by instruction of the Prophet himself during his life,  who instructed people to write down everything he said and to pass it on , but not only to write down what was said but who said it and who heard it 

and if you look at hadith it has this header part which describes the chain of narrators 

But the point i have to make is that Bible doesn't have this luxury, it just has books by UNKNOWN authors that were compiled, and you dont know who said it, who wrote it, and who passed it on, and it has a mix of peoples personal thoughts, peoples opinions, and also does contain excerpts from the old Holy Books as well , it has dreams that people experienced, it has words spoken by street preachers, and so on and so forth and if we look at some of the known narrators of the Bible they say things like "Since everyone was writing these books, i thought myself fit enough to also give my two cents" not in those words, but Peter the physician wrote in this "inspiration"

SO the Bible is a mix of everything, like a Museum, it has nonsense, rubbish, opinions and even Gods words in it from the actual Books that God did reveal to his Prophets, but the problem Christians have is to make that distinction, as there is no indication where starts this and where starts that and from what it came from, its al just mixed up into one big heap and throw at you

but the main difference is that what you call God's word, is not God's word but a mix of everything, there is some good in it, its not all evil and false, there is wisdom sayings, there is scripture, there is parables, there is dreams, there is opinions, there is inspiration from various people, difference of opinions  , and stories of culture and tradition and tales that people told around eh camp site , and so on, its a book where everything was mashed up together that was from that era and era's relating to Jesus  prior and after

Hence why the carious things contradict themselves, because one guy quotes one story from some source , and another guy quotes another story from some other source , but the question which is truth? neither could be truth, or one of them could be truth, and how much of that one is truth, is the main problem with the Bible, its all lump summed with everything without and proof checking or any confirmation of sources or authors

But we in Islam have hadith which is not the word of God, and we have Quran which is direct word of God through revelation via Gabriel without ANY contradictions 

for example Hadith has this style:
H 103, Ch. 11, h9
Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from Yunus from Dawud
ibn Farqad from one he narrated from ibn Shubruma (a judge in al-Kufa during
the rule of al-Mansur) who has said the following:
“I never heard anything like a statement I heard from Imam
abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, and it
almost pierced my heart. The Imam, recipient of divine supreme
covenant, said, ‘My father narrated from my great-great-great-
great grandfather, the Holy Prophet, recipient of divine supreme
covenant, who said, “Those who act on the basis of analogy will
face their destruction and lead others to their destruction. Those
who give fatwas (legal opinions) without knowing the
abrogating and the abrogated (texts of the law), the clear text and
that which requires interpretation, they will face destruction and
lead others to their destruction.’”

But we distinguish God's word and Hadith, and some Hadith are fabricated and unaccepted 

and the problem with Christians is that they claim Bible is all truth, when clearly just by looking at its many contradictory statements you can see it contains falsehood also from people 

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We love Jesus pbuh, and we affirm many of the things in the Bible in terms of events (though many things we reject).
We simply believe not all of it really did come from him - the bible is a corrupted version of its true original self.

The Quran on the other hand, without doubt can be traced back to Muhammed s.a.w.

I'll repeat my point - if i had hundreds of books compiled together by different authors who we don't know their true identity, ofcourse we'll get differeing views on the same event, mistakes in numbers.

But muhammed s.a.w not only had the Quran memorized as did his followers. They knew it all and recited it frequently. When a new verse they knew the old one. Any 'contradictions' therefore, are likely to be ones that are only so in the subjective eye of one who lacks context. Think about it logisitcally.

This is something so profound, before even getting into this discussion one must ponder over.

 

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4 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

We love Jesus pbuh, and we affirm many of the things in the Bible in terms of events (though many things we reject).
We simply believe not all of it really did come from him - the bible is a corrupted version of its true original self.

The Quran on the other hand, without doubt can be traced back to Muhammed s.a.w.

I'll repeat my point - if i had hundreds of books compiled together by different authors who we don't know their true identity, ofcourse we'll get differeing views on the same event, mistakes in numbers.

But muhammed s.a.w not only had the Quran memorized as did his followers. They knew it all and recited it frequently. When a new verse they knew the old one. Any 'contradictions' therefore, are likely to be ones that are only so in the subjective eye of one who lacks context. Think about it logisitcally.

This is something so profound, before even getting into this discussion one must ponder over.

 

you just pretty much repeated what i said above you 

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