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Why Shia do matam for Husain RA only?

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Ramis Khan

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Have you clarified ALL that is Fundamental to our Faith and after having full clarity in differences in Fundamental of Faith, afterwards seeking clarification on Furu-e-Deen, obligatory Islamic acts and have clarified the differences ? that you are moving on to non obligatory issues?

 

If you are of the opinion, that “just answer the question”, as posed. I still seek clarification.

 

Do you approve of Matam?

If not, I don’t see what will be the purpose of explaining an action which is not approved by you, for one person or the other.

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We do perform mourning ceremonies for all of the Ahlulbayt AS- matam may or may not be a part of it. The main, and sometimes, the only portion is the sermon/majlis.

However, in the case of Imam Hussain AS, the tragedy was immense. Hence, the 2.5 months.

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13 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

Actually I had a similar question. Why don't we do matam or hold majalis for the holy Prophet peace be upon him who was also martyred (by you know who)?

AFAIK, there is absolutely no authentic hadiths or narrations stating that Aisha, the wife of Rasullah s.a.w killed him. The narrations given to me are all weak. To accuse someone of something like murder, let alone one of the worst acts of all time in killing Rasullah s.a.w means you'd better have some pretty good evidence. Stringing up weak theories is not evidence. And there is and has not been evidence. Because imagine if you were wrong in the accusation.

Some of our greatest classical scholars believe he was poisioned.

So this issue is far from a foregone conclusion, it's best if we leave this matter to Allah swt.

When i disagree with the likes of Yassir Habib, i am not performing taqqiyah, i just choose to be a moral and ethical human being and not accuse people of murder without authentic evidences just because i may dislike their other acts and what they have done:

Quran: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do."

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Lol.. where did I mention Ayesha, are you okay bro? He was poisoned and all 14 of them are martyrs. Don't think God would deprive him of the great gift of martyrdom. But probably you won't understand.

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2 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

Lol.. where did I mention Ayesha, are you okay bro? He was poisoned and all 14 of them are martyrs. Don't think God would deprive him of the great gift of martyrdom. But probably you won't understand.

My bad. I thought you meant the wives of rasullah s.a.w killed him by saying 'you know who'. Apologies if you did not mean this.

I'm not disputing he was martyred in one way or another (it could be possible).

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Yes, thank you. Now with that out of the way, the demonic spawn of the Jewess who poisoned him (I forget her name is why I wrote "you know who") should be cursed same as Yazid, right? And we should hold majalis and azadari for him. But we don't. I wanted to ask why?

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Islam was revealed for peace and mercy, because The Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said I came as a messenger for bringing morality. but in Ashura those people who were against Imam Husain, they were as a Muslim but didn't have any fundamental moral behavior. they killed innocent babys and slaughtered Martyrs and did every wild actions. Hence we should have matam for Imam Husain every day when we remember Ashura.   

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4 hours ago, Ramis Khan said:

Why not for Ali RA and Hassan RA? They did not die natural deaths. They were also martyred. If they do matam, why not for 2.5 months? Why matam of Husain RA ends at 9th Rabi ul Awal?

I do matam for all Masomeen.

Why do you think we only do it for Imam Husain (as)? You haven't heard of Imam Ali (as) majlis in Ramadan? Haven't you ever heard a majlis for the other Imams (as) outside of Muharram/Safar ?

:confused:

You need to do better research before asking a question like this. You could have had your answer already.

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6 hours ago, Ramis Khan said:

Why not for Ali RA and Hassan RA? They did not die natural deaths. They were also martyred. If they do matam, why not for 2.5 months? Why matam of Husain RA ends at 9th Rabi ul Awal?

Often it is portrayed as if Shias one day woke up and formed a congregation and decided to adopt the practice of 'Matam'

That's far from the truth.

The first person to offer Majalis for Hussain (a.s) was his own Sister, the Lady of the Household of Muhammad (PBUH), Bibi Zaynab (sa). Matam was not absent then, nor is it absent today. Emphasis; 'absent then' - it sure wasn't a beginning. For Hussain (as) Matam was not absent in the time of the Prophet (pbuh) either.

'For what had not befallen, just ensuing words from Jibril to Muhammad (pbuh), the hands took to the laps and tears took to the soils. For those whose hearts befriended (understood) Kerbala and made Ashura a day of their own, surely they would fathom and not question why'

 

 

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June 8, 632 A.D., he died of fever as I understand it although some hadiths state and mention that he was poisoned but they are very weak from what I know.

 

Here's an article on Muhammad's (saws) death:

www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/death-muhammad-messenger-god

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The mourning for hussain starts with the tawwabun a glorious chapter in the history of Iraqi muslims which shia don't remember so much today and that is what's being alluded to here 

What other leader other can hussain can boast of a diehard following AFTER his and death ? People abandoned ibn zubair too shud we blame the hijazi for killing abdullah b zubair? His movement is forgotten a few years after his death ....

 

Yes Iraqi followers of hussain abandoned him in Karbala but they atoned for their sin in ayn alwarda ...and they met their lord who was pleased with them.

 

Karbala centrism ..in today's Imami shiasm has skewed the historical prespective of this event 

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On 12/29/2015 at 1:01 PM, sunnilove2hussain said:

Yeah,a good question but lots of dodgy answers, why not matam for Imam Ali (as) he was martyred,why not for Imam Musa al kadhim (as) or other imams?

No one was killed in such a state of utter helplessness as hussain....plus nawabs and safavis rulers made it a state religion and propogated it throughout their empire 

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There are plenty of events round the year where matam events take place for other members of the Ahlulbayt. The reason focus is put on the event for Imam Husayn (as) is because of the degree of suffering they went through before martyrdom and the severity of the circumstances which lead to their final breath. Also, the number of people who went through the problem all together. There was also the meaning behind his sacrifice at that particularly crucial time in history.

A lot more can be added to what I mentioned.

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