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0307 EST Turkey shoots down jet

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Putin:

 

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This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.

Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.

Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.

We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.

 

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Another message to Russia. Back-off or there will be consequences.

I thought Turkey, especially erdogan, had a chance. Now I know that their establishment is completely enslaved. Or was it already enslaved?

Does it mean that the 2010 deal between iran, brazil and turkey and the russian-turkish pipeline was kind of a controlled opposition op by the ICC*?

My only hope is that Russia becomes all fired up and they alongwith the other axes of resistance, including China give a powerful response. 

 

*International Criminal Cabal (Hardcore Satanists)

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Let us put all the recent related happenings in context-

It started off with the Paris 'attacks'. (Injured/dead victims photos are rarely available on the net.)

The Russians stole the show by claiming/admitting/declaring that the russian aircraft was downed in a terrorist act. Airstrikes in Syria intensified by Russia.

Additional attacks by cruise mssiles from the mediterranean and caspian seas + Russian long range bombers using previously classified types of bombs (probably more lethal).

Blackout in Crimea due to sabotage in Ukrainian power supplies. The Ukrainian govt refuses to repair, citing fear of violence from the Ukrainian nationalists and tatars.

Russia threatens to block coal supplies to ukraine in return.

Syrian army is about to reach the Turkish borders. Taking over the borders again would mean no more new supplies to the militants. 

The Russian warplanes were clearing the way for the syrian army, by intelligence gathering and/or striking the militants.

Taking over the Syrian border = an end to the insurgency. USraeli Arabia would have lost. They wanted to delay the inevitable. They ask their puppet to shoot down the plane.

They(ICC*) are well prepared. This is not some shoot-in-the-dark. It is well-thought out plan, most probably prepared very much in advance.

It will be difficult for Russia to retaliate alone. But then, they have joined the resistance. It was never supposed to be an easy path. May they act in a true God-fearing manner.

Expect more attacks on Russia and anyone who tries to help the resistance. Expect false flags attacks, possibly on the Turkish or some other cannon fodder army and the blame put on any one of the resistance countries. Most likely, Russia will retaliate by deploying some S400s in syria and further intensifying and finishing off the ICC*'s mercenaries. 

 

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13 hours ago, notme said:

US media is giving very little, almost no attention to this event. I find that very suspicious.

I'm watching DeutscheWelle at 1000GMT has Mali, Paris-Hollande and Obuma meeting and France wants ground troops other than French troops, and at 1007 DW gets to the Turkish shoot-down of an Su-24.

 

Update:

At 1020hrs GMT, DW carried a story on the "tense" state of Russian-Ukrainian gas dispute and how this may affect the EU. The Ukrainian (fronting for Western Energy companies via Western Gov'ts) interference with Russian contracts. (Mentioned the electric sabotage by "Ukrainian nationalists")

We all know why and how this ISIL sick-in-the-head stuff got started. So we await the public promotion of a "more secure" gas supply from the GCC through a Syrian-transiting pipeline.

OPine: except for the crimes against humanity, the region is still back at the starting-blocks.

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48 minutes ago, Servidor said:

Other analysts have already noted the most likely response will be to arm the Kurdish rebels with modernised Russian assault rifles, mobile missile systems capable of hitting Turkish jets, probably a few other assorted deadly toys as well as advice and intelligence.

I highly doubt it as this is more of a American/Western MO and Russia is doing its best to do away with such a policy as it undermines the very basic tenets of international relations. While America is defended by two giant oceans on each side, Russian border spans two continents. And a breakdown of current international law would be highly detrimental to Russia.

Furthermore, if Russia is to supply dangerous arms to PKK who is to say that CIA wont buy it back and use it against Russian forces?

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1 minute ago, Wahdat said:

I highly doubt it as this is more of a American/Western MO and Russia is doing its best to do away with such a policy as it undermines the very basic tenets of international relations. While America is defended by two giant oceans on each side, Russian border spans two continents. And a breakdown of current international law would be highly detrimental to Russia.

Furthermore, if Russia is to supply dangerous arms to PKK who is to say that CIA wont buy it back and use it against Russian forces?

RF isn't above proxy wars. The best thing would be to secure peace-keeping priorities as in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but Kurdish territories are too far from home for comfort.

Anyway, it's my friend (FB variety) and fellow contributor over at Oriental Review Andrew Korybko who said so last night. He's pretty high up in terms of foreign policy assessment and analysis and is living in the beating heart of the Russian Federation, Moscow. He's quite on the pulse most of the time.

Like I said. We'll see.

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Assalamallikum.

Servidor:  1100GMT BBC reported anti-aircraft deployment in Syria, but didn't say which system. Also, Russians now have travel-to-Turkey restrictions. Erdogan was shown trying to "calm" the situation".

1200GMT BBC quoted Putin as saying the shoot-down by F-16s was a "timed provocation".

Has anyone checked RT.com or Xinhua?

 

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Rescued Russian Pilot Denies Turkish Claims of Warning His Plane

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=241228&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=45&s1=1

Erdogan Denies Intention to Escalate, Stresses Defending His "Brothers" in Syria

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=241085&cid=22&fromval=1&frid=22&seccatid=55&s1=1

Lavrov Rules out War Action on Turkey, Says Downing Su24 pre-Planned Provocation

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=241173&cid=22&fromval=1&frid=22&seccatid=45&s1=1

What Is Fort Rocketry System Which Russia Will Send to Syria?

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=241195&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=20&s1=1

 

 

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Not much has changed.

The pilot who was murdered, Oleg Anatolievich Peshkov, has been posthumously made Hero of the Russian Federation—the highest honorary title in Russia.

The pilot who survived, his name is Konstantin Murakhtin, has categorically denied that they entered Turkish airspace. The claim is silly enough as stated by it's strongest and most interested exponent—the Turkish government itself.

17 seconds. In 17 seconds they issued 10 warnings, manned a jet, got it off the ground, caught up the Russian pilots, decided to shoot them down and managed to organise a television crew on the scene plus besides.

A very odd development is that U.S military sources have come out to confirm the Russian account that the jets did not enter Turkish airspace. Much analysis and speculation has been touched off by this prodigy of honesty relative to Russia by the United States.

Russian government is still thinking about it's response. Russian people are on fire—calling to take back Constantinople, saying Russian tourists for 2016 to Turkey should come in tanks, making themselves heard out the front of the Turkish embassy in Moscow. This is natural.

Putin himself has made some more recent remarks that nod toward future migration restrictions for Turks coming into RF, citing Turkey's policy of funding aggressive proselytizing Muslims trying their hardest to convert Russians to Wahabism and influencing the Muslims already living in Russia to a turn to the fanatical. These restrictions may broaden wide enough to become punitive in nature to Turkish business and students.

It seems clear that a military retaliation is not coming. RF has the moral high-ground here—and the world knows it. Declaring war and invading Turkey would be seen to be excessive.

But by the same token, something has to be done. The Russian sense of honor has been offended and it is important for Vladimir Vladimirovich's government's public approval in Russia itself as well for the Russian reputation internationally that somehow Turkey pay. You can't get away with killing Russian citizens with impunity.

We'll see what they come with.

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5 minutes ago, Servidor said:

 

17 seconds. In 17 seconds they issued 10 warnings, manned a jet, got it off the ground, caught up the Russian pilots, decided to shoot them down 

 

This was the part I found absurd from the start.

 Especially between two nations not formally hostile.

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5 hours ago, Servidor said:

Not much has changed.

The pilot who was murdered, Oleg Anatolievich Peshkov, has been posthumously made Hero of the Russian Federation—the highest honorary title in Russia.

The pilot who survived, his name is Konstantin Murakhtin, has categorically denied that they entered Turkish airspace. The claim is silly enough as stated by it's strongest and most interested exponent—the Turkish government itself.

17 seconds. In 17 seconds they issued 10 warnings, manned a jet, got it off the ground, caught up the Russian pilots, decided to shoot them down and managed to organise a television crew on the scene plus besides.

A very odd development is that U.S military sources have come out to confirm the Russian account that the jets did not enter Turkish airspace. Much analysis and speculation has been touched off by this prodigy of honesty relative to Russia by the United States.

Russian government is still thinking about it's response. Russian people are on fire—calling to take back Constantinople, saying Russian tourists for 2016 to Turkey should come in tanks, making themselves heard out the front of the Turkish embassy in Moscow. This is natural.

Putin himself has made some more recent remarks that nod toward future migration restrictions for Turks coming into RF, citing Turkey's policy of funding aggressive proselytizing Muslims trying their hardest to convert Russians to Wahabism and influencing the Muslims already living in Russia to a turn to the fanatical. These restrictions may broaden wide enough to become punitive in nature to Turkish business and students.

It seems clear that a military retaliation is not coming. RF has the moral high-ground here—and the world knows it. Declaring war and invading Turkey would be seen to be excessive.

But by the same token, something has to be done. The Russian sense of honor has been offended and it is important for Vladimir Vladimirovich's government's public approval in Russia itself as well for the Russian reputation internationally that somehow Turkey pay. You can't get away with killing Russian citizens with impunity.

We'll see what they come with.

Knowing turkey, they'll probably do it again. 

Turkey is apart of NATO. Turkey wants to join the EU.

Both those organizations ask turkey to jump, Turkey asks how high. 

But Nato will never defend Turkey in the case of a war. No way. Neither will the EU admit Turkey. Because Turkey is filled with Muzzies haha. 

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On ‎25‎/‎11‎/‎2015‎ ‎11‎:‎10‎:‎57‎, hasanhh said:

Assalamallikum.

Servidor:  1100GMT BBC reported anti-aircraft deployment in Syria, but didn't say which system.

It's an S-400.

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What these can do just awes one. I've seen them hit things out of the sky that couldn't be seen by the eye alone from the ground.

More jets have been committed to Syria and now flights will have shadows. That is, additional jets flying with them whose sole purpose will be to repel any "ally" jets who decide to arbitrarily move their borders several kilometres forward into Syria.

The battle-ship off the coast is probably equipped with a Topol-M or two as well. They fire warheads up to 10,000+ kilometres.

If a Russian jet goes down again—someone shall be very sorry.

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Turkey has suspended all flights of a military nature over Syria or in Iraq via Syria. Apparently afraid of Russian retaliation.

RF has pulled back operations near the Turkish border for the time being as well. Their talking of establishing a "hotline" between Russian and Turkish jets. I've also heard such a hotline already existed and that the Turkish pilots claimed they were using it while the Russian pilots claim not have received anything. So much for hotlines.

Lavrov has been quoted at TASS as saying that Hollande had mentioned the possibility of closing the Syrian border along Turkey. He thinks Russia should implement it. This is interesting because it is close to the scenario that I had earlier pointed out as being best case—peace-keeper status for RF in Syria.

Such a development would permit a permanent Russian troop presence. Allow RF to monitor the borders and prevent the inflow of aid, arms, adherents and ectera from Turkey to IS. And finally give RF the legitimate right and even duty to reply immediately in kind with the full-force involved in an internationally recognised mandate to protect the sovereignty of Syria and the Kurdish population. RF could intervene to protect them from Turkey in the same way it defended the South Ossetians from Georgia.

It's a clever suggestion. If hitting IS oil convoys is what piqued them into downing a jet, what would closing off all movement in and out along the whole of the border do? And what would Turkey's response be when it was not 2 jets with oblivious pilots not knowing in the least of any hostile intent on Turkey's part—but rather prepared, combat-ready units with air-support and anti-aircraft armaments?

All things go well, IS loses it's main source of revenue. Worst case, Turkey does something silly and gets a thorough punishing for it for the world to see. Like Saakashvili's Georgia.

We'll see, we'll see.

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Now I may be wrong, but this is just a theory.

There is a possibility that Erdogan was blackmailed into this provocation. He might have been threatened with a terrorist attack on Turkey or an exposition by the MSM about his support for isis. Imagine the MSM exploding with images and videos of Turkish military personnel helping the isis.

It would lead to the fall of turkey- immediate and heavy sanctions and 'moral outrage' by the sheeple. Is Erdogan in an abyss? Damned if you do and if you dont?

The ultimate intention might be to isolate Russia. Cause, as you can see, Russia is being encircled with artificial enemies. Artifical because, they are not naturally against Russia, but, due to political maneuverings, became against Russia- Ukraine, Georgia, Poland etc. Now because of this one decision(the downing), Russia loses one of the strategic window to the middle-east- Turkey. 

If this really is true, then russia should fight back not by hurting turkey/Turkish businesses and people, but hurting the masters of Turkey- economically, militarily and politically.

And Allah knows best.

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Ehm, Erdogan is part of a big criminal family and he has been placed in power by the west. Just like the Zardaris or Sharifs of Pakistan. I have always supported the opinion that this whole selective and sham democracy enforcement has existed precisely to bring characterless crook lordlings into power so uncle sam can buy them and puppet the country through them.

Before each general election you will notice these maggots visiting 'Merica, have you ever wondered why? They pledge their oaths of fealty and beg for power. They do not need "blackmailing" to do the master's bidding, they are obligated by contract to do so.

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