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Salam, 

 

There is breaking news tonight about comments made by Donald Trump regarding Muslims in the United States. Donald Trump has apparently talked about a "Muslim" database and how all Muslims should be forced to register. In other words, something to single out Muslims. This has me scared in a way because the holocaust started in the same manner with Hitler forcing the jews to identify themselves. 

 

What is some advice you all would give to fellow Muslims about this? Would you try and leave the country you were born in? 

 

There was also a narration I read somewhere that before the Zahoor of Imam Al Mahdi(ATFS), a lot of Muslims will run away from Islam or be in hiding? If any one has information regarding that can you please explain? 

 

 

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With how things are going in the Western countries it seems it won't be long before "reverse migration" becomes a reality for Muslims. 

 

What's your address again?

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With how things are going in the Western countries it seems it won't be long before "reverse migration" becomes a reality for Muslims. 

 

Actually this is coming true for Mexicans.

 

This past year, for the first time in what I am assuming is a very long time, more Mexicans went back to Mexico, than they moved here.

 

 

Murica is fallin' apart, yo.

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This video? Really ambiguous, IMHO.

http://youtu.be/BkLiA8P1Fyg

Unconstitutional. Will be taken to court and trounced. Our two Muslim CongressCritters will make sure of that if no one else does. Maybe in some even more grossly dystopian America in the far future this could happen ( if Muslims haven't " taken over" like the wingnuts rant on about...lol!) , but not during Trumpo the Clown's lifetime. Anyway, he doesn't care about religion. He'll say anything to get votes, but he's not going to follow through with anything that is going to pull him into a constitutional battle and away from the other stuff he'd like to do more than pick on Muslims. And if we don't want to keep being used as a political punching bag, we need to get our groups out there en mass and vote and make some noise. Some well-placed and legal campaign contribution dollars can help, too. The worst politicians pick on the perceived weak, like any other predator. Just my two pences.

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On 11/20/2015, 12:52:29, baradar_jackson said:

Actually this is coming true for Mexicans.

 

This past year, for the first time in what I am assuming is a very long time, more Mexicans went back to Mexico, than they moved here.

 

 

Murica is fallin' apart, yo.

 

More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.

 

Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

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Donald Trump is a performer, like a circus clown. 

He's a narcissist and an ego maniac. 

 

If he gets the Republican nomination, which I highly doubt, 

He has zero chance in the general election. 

 

The Democrats could run Mickey Mouse in the general election and he would beat Trump. 

 

The only way he would have any chance is if there is some very big incident, which will be labeled as a terrorist attack, right before the general election. 

It would have to be very big though, like 9/11 or more. 

 

Also, btw, almost all muslims (and non muslims also) in the US are already in a government database.

It's called FaceBook. 

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This makes me very nervous, I hope that Donald Trump does not become president.

Brother, this is when we need to learn from what happened in the third reich and be vocal in our opposition to this nonsense.  Had the Jews stood up against the Nazis in the early years, the holocaust never would have happened, because Hitler would have been exposed as the lying hate-monger that he was.  It's the same principle: the wealthiest create a vague "other" to point all the anger and malcontent at; it keeps them from flipping the table over on the 1% and demanding a more just society, not only for us but for the world.  Given the military and economic power of the United States, it's on the Muslims here to demand change and to say that we are here; we aren't afraid, and as sure as Allah subhana wa ta'ala has put us here, we are not going anywhere. 

 

We need the Islamic community to stand up.  We should be so vocal and visible that there need be no database.

 

Even if he doesn't become president, the fact that these statements are being made shows that there is a segment of the populace that holds these opinions.  We have to stand up to this.  This is not the time to blend in or to hope it will get better.  It won't.  May Allah Subhana wa ta'ala be with the Ummah, especially those who have borne oppression already for so long. And may He withhold His mercy from all who oppress and who support them, in shaa Allah.

 

R

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Brother, this is when we need to learn from what happened in the third reich and be vocal in our opposition to this nonsense.  Had the Jews stood up against the Nazis in the early years, the holocaust never would have happened, because Hitler would have been exposed as the lying hate-monger that he was.  It's the same principle: the wealthiest create a vague "other" to point all the anger and malcontent at; it keeps them from flipping the table over on the 1% and demanding a more just society, not only for us but for the world.  Given the military and economic power of the United States, it's on the Muslims here to demand change and to say that we are here; we aren't afraid, and as sure as Allah subhana wa ta'ala has put us here, we are not going anywhere. 

 

We need the Islamic community to stand up.  We should be so vocal and visible that there need be no database.

 

Even if he doesn't become president, the fact that these statements are being made shows that there is a segment of the populace that holds these opinions.  We have to stand up to this.  This is not the time to blend in or to hope it will get better.  It won't.  May Allah Subhana wa ta'ala be with the Ummah, especially those who have borne oppression already for so long. And may He withhold His mercy from all who oppress and who support them, in shaa Allah.

 

R

 

Nice post brother. 

 

The reason why this doesn't happen is because most muslims who live here do not know or understand the law, when it comes to this topic. 

 

Most muslims here are afraid of one thing, and that is that their immigration status will be revoked and they will be sent back to the country they left from. 

 

While it is possible for this to happen for someone on a temp visa, someone with a permanent visa or citizenship (which is more than 90% who are here) they government needs to show cause and in the case of a citizen (more than 80%), they need to show that this person committed treason (very difficult to prove) in order to revoke citizenship of a naturalized citizen. For someone who was born here, not a naturalized citizen, there is no straightforward legal way to do this. If they want to deport me, I don't know where they would send me back to, since my family has been in this country for at least 9 generations. Also, whenever I engage in political activities, I make sure I do so within the law, so there would be nothing to charge me with. 

 

So for those on a temp visa, I don't blame them, their situation is very difficult. But for the rest, the vast majority, (this is millions of people) they have no excuse. When you see your brothers and sisters in Islam being oppressed all over the world, how could you not speak up ? The least you can do is speak up. And if more started speaking up, the policies of the US Government would change, and thus the world would change. The only reason it is not changing is because people, and especially muslims, are not speaking up. The ones that do are less than 1%. And that is why the world is in the shape that it is in. 

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This makes me very nervous, I hope that Donald Trump does not become president.

 

Salam/Shalom/Peace Gaius I. Caesar,

 

I hope he won't either. I wish there was a candidate that is more effective in bringing people together instead of dividing them. We need a candidate who loves all people - no matter their religion, ethnicity, and any other difference. Bernie Sanders is closer to this ideal than any Republican candidates in my opinion. However, Sanders does seem to be too "socialist" for many Americans.

 

The USA was not built on socialism, and many elderly people I know who have worked very hard for what they have earned do not trust the government with the power that a scialist government has over people and businesses. My Papaw (grandfather) is very anti-socialism and anti-communism. He's not rich by any means; he worked very hard to get what he earned and is currently enjoying the retirement he earned by the sweat of his brow.

 

Bernie Sanders is an automatic "no" for him and for many older Americans who have gone through the Cold War. They have no desire to leave a socialist country to their grandchildren. My Papaw is generous in helping charities that he trusts, but he doesn't trust the government to be a good charity. He believes a socialist government breeds dependencey and weakness, not the "American pioneering spirit." My Papaw served in the Navy and saw the harmful effects of communism, and he believes socialism is too close to communism to be healthy for the USA.

 

So, I won't be voting for Bernie Sanders, out of respect for the patriarch of my family. Maybe I will change my mind later, but as of now I don't think I will vote, cause I don't support any candidate: either on the Republican or Democratic side. My friends say I should vote for the "lesser evil" lol. I don't know yet who that is lol.

 

Who do you think would be the best president of the candidates running for office? Just curious.

 

Peace and God bless you

Salam, 

 

There is breaking news tonight about comments made by Donald Trump regarding Muslims in the United States. Donald Trump has apparently talked about a "Muslim" database and how all Muslims should be forced to register. In other words, something to single out Muslims. This has me scared in a way because the holocaust started in the same manner with Hitler forcing the jews to identify themselves. 

 

What is some advice you all would give to fellow Muslims about this? Would you try and leave the country you were born in? 

 

There was also a narration I read somewhere that before the Zahoor of Imam Al Mahdi(ATFS), a lot of Muslims will run away from Islam or be in hiding? If any one has information regarding that can you please explain? 

 

Salam/Shalom/Peace Waffles,

 

If Donald Trump gets elected, rest assured that many Christians will protest and vote against any attempt to discriminate against Muslims.

 

Freedom of religion is a huge part of what makes the USA a good country, and many Christians understand that this goes for Muslims and people of other beliefs same as for Christians. We are all free to believe what we believe without discrimination for our beliefs, as long as we are not hurting each other!!!

 

After all, Jesus Christ said, "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31 (NIV)  Jesus also said to love neighbors as oneself, and Muslims are our neighbors!!! :) 

 

I pray that Donald Trump doesn't get elected, and that God will open the eyes of his supporters to see that Donald Trump would not be a good president. I can't understand why he has supporters, frankly.

 

Peace and God bless you

Edited by Christianlady

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Oh yea I read this early today, and Marco Rubio wants to shut down not only mosques but anything that "inspires" terrorists, freaking idiots. I hope people are smarter than these idiots because otherwise the US will become a very unbearable place to live. 

Imagine these 2 want to be presidents and don't even know how to get out of their ignorance. 

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Salam/Shalom/Peace Gaius I. Caesar,

I hope he won't either. I wish there was a candidate that is more effective in bringing people together instead of dividing them. We need a candidate who loves all people - no matter their religion, ethnicity, and any other difference. Bernie Sanders is closer to this ideal than any Republican candidates in my opinion. However, Sanders does seem to be too "socialist" for many Americans.

The USA was not built on socialism, and many elderly people I know who have worked very hard for what they have earned do not trust the government with the power that a scialist government has over people and businesses. My Papaw (grandfather) is very anti-socialism and anti-communism. He's not rich by any means; he worked very hard to get what he earned and is currently enjoying the retirement he earned by the sweat of his brow.

Bernie Sanders is an automatic "no" for him and for many older Americans who have gone through the Cold War. They have no desire to leave a socialist country to their grandchildren. My Papaw is generous in helping charities that he trusts, but he doesn't trust the government to be a good charity. He believes a socialist government breeds dependencey and weakness, not the "American pioneering spirit." My Papaw served in the Navy and saw the harmful effects of communism, and he believes socialism is too close to communism to be healthy for the USA.

So, I won't be voting for Bernie Sanders, out of respect for the patriarch of my family. Maybe I will change my mind later, but as of now I don't think I will vote, cause I don't support any candidate: either on the Republican or Democratic side. My friends say I should vote for the "lesser evil" lol. I don't know yet who that is lol.

Who do you think would be the best president of the candidates running for office?

Sanders. Failing that, Clinton. Or I'll write somebody in.

I always vote. Not matter what folks think about the corruption of the national office campaigns in corporate America, it makes a difference in local and regional elections.

If your "pawpaw ' was in the Navy ( as many of my family were as well as other branches) you know that the US military is as " socialist" an organization as it gets. People have "free ' room, board, education,and healthcare. My young nephew is a Marine , a socialist himself, and just wants the rest of the citizens of the US to have some of the benefits he gets as a soldier. He thinks the corporations get " socialism" here in America ( bailouts,handouts, etc) so why not the American people? There are plenty of countries with democratic socialism of the kind Bernie Sanders wants doing as well as the US. Their standards of living are consistently higher than ours. I hope your Pawpaw doesn't collect Social Security or use Medicare or any of his Veterans benefits if he dislikes socialism. That isn't his money he is using,it's the current taxpayers money...mostly my kids', who are working, at this point. He might feel he has " earned it", but it's still not his money from his own job. It wasn't, in most cases, " saved" for him out of his own earnings.

In your family you may do as you choose, but Since I'm an adult and neither my dad nor grandfather has paid any of my bills since I was 17, I have never consulted with either on anything I put on a secret ballot. Voting is a right I will not give up of my own free will nor let anyone take from me. While I do not believe the wars America has fought in recently are " for our freedom", I do know people in my own family fought for the right of my ethnicity to cast votes locally without interference. And they fought for our continued existence even against the " pioneering spirit" of the settlers . Voting in the local elections can often be advantageous for us. That's why the settlers are trying to prevent expansions of some reservations so as to prevent the native people returning to their reservations to vote and challenge the power structure of the entrenched dominant culture in the area.

Lastly, my own family actually does get some sovereign tribal " socialism"...some free healthcare, assistance with education, and some income each month for being tribal citizens ...because our tribe isn't stupid and believes in treaty rights and sharing what there is of collective tribal "wealth". It hasn't fostered dependency that I can see in this case and won't if used correctly. All of my kids are in school and working,too.

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Americans love their Constitution. These comments have lost him the candidacy.

I don't know, I think it matters very little whether the American people love the Constitution or not when it is a known fact that the US government has violated the Constitution numerous times. Who's to say that someone will find a loophole to ok this lunacy and give Trump the green light for his clearly unconstitutional ideas?

Glad to see so many folks know we have a Constitution. And that it actually has more power than any gibbering candidate trawling for votes.

Any gibbering candidate trawling for votes can win with billionaire dollars, lobbies with unconstitutional and unsustainable foreign policies, says what a loud and substantial minority want to hear and fits perfectly with the agenda of the Powers-That-Be. Only way to stop it is a plan like Bernie Sanders', I know it sounds like I'm advertising for him but I am not, it's just that if billionaire money stays out of political parties and elections, less people like Trump and Bush run for office. Right now, my faith in this country is very low, I definitely see a storm coming. Sorry for being pessimistic but it is not looking good right now. Edited by Gaius I. Caesar

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Oh yea I read this early today, and Marco Rubio wants to shut down not only mosques but anything that "inspires" terrorists, freaking idiots. I hope people are smarter than these idiots because otherwise the US will become a very unbearable place to live. 

Imagine these 2 want to be presidents and don't even know how to get out of their ignorance. 

 

I just read your post and then remembered that this is the same country who voted for Bush twice :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I just read your post and then remembered that this is the same country who voted for Bush twice :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Considering half or less of the voting -eligible population bothers to do so,our Presidents are being picked by a fraction of the people of the country. Lol! Guess I should start hoping it's " my" fraction. :-)

I don't know, I think it matters very little whether the American people love the Constitution or not when it is a known fact that the US government has violated the Constitution numerous times. Who's to say that someone will find a loophole to ok this lunacy and give Trump the green light for his clearly unconstitutional ideas?

Any gibbering candidate trawling for votes can win with billionaire dollars, lobbies with unconstitutional and unsustainable foreign policies, says what a loud and substantial minority want to hear and fits perfectly with the agenda of the Powers-That-Be. Only way to stop it is a plan like Bernie Sanders', I know it sounds like I'm advertising for him but I am not, it's just that if billionaire money stays out of political parties and elections, less people like Trump and Bush run for office. Right now, my faith in this country is very low, I definitely see a storm coming. Sorry for being pessimistic but it is not looking good right now.

The Constitution can still win against billionaire dollars, but I agree with you that things need to change. Perhaps I'm more hopeful because I live on the Lefty Coast where being a Democrat or Progressive is a religion in many areas and where even small towns told Bush to shove his " Homeland Security " money and that their law enforcement personnel would not be used for any nefarious activities. And where Citizens United is a dirty phrase.

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I know some people would view it as unislamic and bribing but do Muslims have any lobbies in the United States? I know the Armenian community has a very strong lobby. Of course there is the Aipac lobby. The NRA.  Please don't mention the Arab lobby because we all know who leads that.

 

Perhaps a movement should be started for a Shi'a lobby? What do our Maraja E Taqleed think about this issue? :)

 

Money buys Candidates. Individuals, Groups, and Corporations that have the money contribute to campaigns. When their candidate gets elected, he takes their interests into account.

 

The Indian Community has a very strong presence in this Country. Indians have come here and progressed so much. The Chinese as well. One can go to California or Vancouver and see how well their community is doing. It is truly amazing. I know those are Nations and Nationalities but why not Pan Islamism or Islamic Nationalism? I know nationalism is shunned but like were all Muslims and over 1 Billion strong.

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 Right now, my faith in this country is very low, I definitely see a storm coming. Sorry for being pessimistic but it is not looking good right now.

Salam,

 

Quran

 

For every nation is an appointed time.

When their time has come,

they cannot delay it by one hour, nor can they advance it. (7:34)

 

Wasalam

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I just read your post and then remembered that this is the same country who voted for Bush twice :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

oh man... dark days.  The Republic was finally dead, and the Empire born.  /shudder

 

I don't know if voted is the right word for what happened, but Allah knows best.

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Good grief, I never understood why they voted for Bush again. He's the reason we are in this fine mess that is 2015-2016.

 

Not really. To find the real story behind this mess you have to go way back to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. 

 

That assassination triggered World War 1. 

Which resulted in the Treaty of Versailles.

Which placed harsh conditions and economic hardship on Germany.

Which lead to Nationalism and Adolf Hitler rising to power.

Which lead to World War 2 :lol:

Which lead to Nazi Germany's defeat and the USSR/US and its allies prevailing.

Which lead to the Cold War :lol: This just keeps getting better and better haha

Which lead to the Korean and Vietnam Wars and huge expenditures.

Which lead to the US going off the Gold Standard and on the Oil Standard.

Which lead to the US being dependent on the Middle East.

Which lead to the Iran-US tensions after the Shah was overthrown.

Which lead to Saddam rising to power and the Iran Iraq war.

Which lead to Iraq producing and using chemical weapons. 

Which lead to Saddam invading Kuwait.

Which lead to the first Persian Gulf War.

Which lead to the US military bases in the Middle East.

Which lead to Sanctions being placed on Iraq for chemical weapons

Which lead to Saddam eventually selling Iraqi oil in Euros(Threat to the dollar System)

Which lead to the US invading Iraq again removing Saddam(Under the guise of weapons of mass destruction)

Which lead to a Shiite government with the US paying off Sunnis and others who didn't want Shiite rule.

Which lead to Iraq tilting toward Iran and Syria and having good relations.

Which lead to the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline 

Which lead to Syria rejecting the Qatar proposal for the Qatar-Saudi-Jordan-Syria-Turkey pipeline

Which lead to Democracy protests against Bashar Al Assad

Which lead to the US getting involved because they could kill 3 birds with one stone. (Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah)

Which lead to Assad giving up his chemical weapons stockpile.

Which lead to ISIS(US couldn't get militarily involved through the front door because of lack of public support so tries the backdoor)

Which lead to Russia getting involved because Assads downfall would result in the gas pipeline to Europe(Russia wants the Monopoly)

 

*Conflict in Yemen(reason its impoverished is because Saudi Arabia and their clout)* 

 

Which all brings us to where we are now. :D

 

I love history soooo much! :D :D :D 

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Trump is only in the campaign because he is a publicity hog which drives attention toward his business ventures. Some people think that Trump is in the race only to make Hillary look more viable as a candidate.

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I wouldnt take it personally. Trump is shameless, he will say anything to test the water and if he gets a response he likes he runs with it, if not he back tracks. Whats more concerning is that his approval ratings sometimes go up after he makes ignorant and offensive statements. Americans are better off knowing that a % of their population are receptive to these kind of ignorant remarks though. Hopefully an educational drive will take place and that % will decrease.

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Trump might help to break down the Republican party and rigid two party orthodoxy from within, which may be the ultimate effect of his candidacy. Perhaps in a perverse way, things are opening up and he's revealing more of the rotten core that's usually obfuscated by political correctness. A wolf in a race of foxes.

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