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Cia, Khomeini, & Secrets Of The Islamic Revolution

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Salams to all,

 

I know very little about the Iranian revolution, so i'd be interested in reading any counter arguments or rebuttals to the version of history given in the following interview. Which points are pretty much established facts and which are pure conjecture?

 

 

 

Here's whats pasted under the vid:

 

How Iran’s Islamic Revolution and the Ayatollah Khomeini were helped into power by the CIA, plus the conspiracy to co-opt the people’s movement and turn it into a religious one is discussed with author Margot White. Lies from ARGO, George H.W. Bush and the CIA’s influence on Iran, the political price that Jimmy Carter paid for stopping payments to the Iran’s religious authorities, and the real reason that the hostage crisis happened is all revealed in a discussion that shatters long-held assumptions about Iran’s relationship with the US, here on Buzzsaw hosted by Sean Stone.

GUEST BIO:
Margot Lachlan White is a writer and the author of the memoir Waking Up in Tehran: The Untold Story of Iran's Revolution. She is also a freelance book editor and a human rights activist who advocates for Iran’s independence and the right of Iranians to self-determination. She has a law degree from the University of Virginia and is a former faculty member of the University of Virginia Medical School. She lives in Los Angeles. She is a graduate of Brown University.

EPISODE BREAKDOWN:
00:01 Welcoming Margot White to Buzzsaw.
00:53 What brought Margot to Iran?
06:05 How the uprisings started, and the strange ascendancy of the Ayatollah Khomeini.
09:30 Religion-the only acceptable cover for a political revolution.
10:49 Khomeini’s ties to the CIA.
12:10 How the revolution went from genuine, to a corrupted CIA “Islamic Republic.”
14:17 The shift from a reform movement, to the super-right wing religious groups.
20:01 An agent repent: accounts of the CIA cooperation with the Islamic republic.
22:37 The hostage crisis--a manipulated student protest?
29:05 Chase Manhattan bank and possible looting of finances in Iran.
34:15 Guns, oil and drugs, and the collapse of Carter after he stopped paying.
37:15 How a coup really works, and how Argo was wrong.
39:33 Thanks and goodbye.

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The answer can be found by answering this question. If the supreme leader of IRI made a fatwa against an ordinary and unknown person claiming to be Imam Mahdi, do you think the Iranians will investigate about this person to learn the truth or if they will just trust their leader's word for it.

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There's always 2 sides to a story..look at both sides objectively & then come to a conclusion. I wouldn't be surprised if the theory were true.

 

Someone comes to me and say "Al-Hussayni is a dog rapist."

 

I respond: "There's always two sides to a story. I need to look at both sides 'objectively' (whatever the cats that means) and then I will come to a conclusion. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's true and he is a dog rapist."

 

Would it be out of line if someone asked me what is my line of reasoning for "not being surprised" if this particular allegation is true???

 

So, I ask you: why is it that you "wouldn't be surprised" if this were true when there is a mountain of evidence, if one has any semblance of common sense, which suggests the opposite?

 

The answer can be found by answering this question. If the supreme leader of IRI made a fatwa against an ordinary and unknown person claiming to be Imam Mahdi, do you think the Iranians will investigate about this person to learn the truth or if they will just trust their leader's word for it.

 

How does that question answer the OP's question?

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I can't comment on the video , but i hope this is of some relevance, i have non-muslim sources, reliable ones, who knew the shah's (had witnessed that family, though not aides of them) who have stated they were dictators, oppresive, evil, there was poverty and corruption among the shah's, and the people rose up.

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Punch line of all this is:

They call over their #1 customer, who also happens to be a Class A donkey. His name: Reza Pahlavi

 

Look around the GCC and you will find many more braying all the way from Pakistan to Jordan and beyond into North Africa.

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Salams to all,

 

I know very little about the Iranian revolution, so i'd be interested in reading any counter arguments or rebuttals to the version of history given in the following interview. Which points are pretty much established facts and which are pure conjecture?

 

 

 

Here's whats pasted under the vid:

 

How Iran’s Islamic Revolution and the Ayatollah Khomeini were helped into power by the CIA, plus the conspiracy to co-opt the people’s movement and turn it into a religious one is discussed with author Margot White. Lies from ARGO, George H.W. Bush and the CIA’s influence on Iran, the political price that Jimmy Carter paid for stopping payments to the Iran’s religious authorities, and the real reason that the hostage crisis happened is all revealed in a discussion that shatters long-held assumptions about Iran’s relationship with the US, here on Buzzsaw hosted by Sean Stone.

GUEST BIO:

Margot Lachlan White is a writer and the author of the memoir Waking Up in Tehran: The Untold Story of Iran's Revolution. She is also a freelance book editor and a human rights activist who advocates for Iran’s independence and the right of Iranians to self-determination. She has a law degree from the University of Virginia and is a former faculty member of the University of Virginia Medical School. She lives in Los Angeles. She is a graduate of Brown University.

EPISODE BREAKDOWN:

00:01 Welcoming Margot White to Buzzsaw.

00:53 What brought Margot to Iran?

06:05 How the uprisings started, and the strange ascendancy of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

09:30 Religion-the only acceptable cover for a political revolution.

10:49 Khomeini’s ties to the CIA.

12:10 How the revolution went from genuine, to a corrupted CIA “Islamic Republic.”

14:17 The shift from a reform movement, to the super-right wing religious groups.

20:01 An agent repent: accounts of the CIA cooperation with the Islamic republic.

22:37 The hostage crisis--a manipulated student protest?

29:05 Chase Manhattan bank and possible looting of finances in Iran.

34:15 Guns, oil and drugs, and the collapse of Carter after he stopped paying.

37:15 How a coup really works, and how Argo was wrong.

39:33 Thanks and goodbye.

 

Salam,

 

Now this is how one makes a thread without pointing fingers and making statements. Kudos Ruq, much better than then last time you made a thread and made me upset! Remember?

 

This is perfectly fine and valid. 

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Salam,

 

I could bring up arguments to why this is false.

But I think the best answers to questions are the ones we find out ourselves.

And the answer to this lies in history. If you study what happened before the Islamic revolution, furthermore what happened before the shahs entering of power, then you will find why a statement such as CIA helping Khomeini would be absurd and clearly untrue.

 

Here is a good starting point for your investigation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

 

And Allah(SWT) knows best.

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'Well, really, Khomeini didn't have any confidantes, not even among Iranians. But I was the European, the non-believer, who got closest to him -- and whom he trusted...'http://www.dw.com/en/german-journalist-peter-scholl-latour-khomeini-trusted-me/a-3998514

The only foreigner who was close to the Imam q was the German journalist Peter Scholl Latour.He wrote a lot about the time before and after the revolution.

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Reminds me of one guy comment in Internet where he said that Isis are Iranian trained talibans. 

LOL! One Turk I know claimed they're from Assad.

Probably just some stuff fabricated by Salafis and Wahabbis to distract the public from their ties with Imperialist Powers, Gulf-States and Zionism so they can point at us.

 

Edited by Skanderbeg

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I am sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, please do not go on if you're weak of heart or at your own risk! 

 

 

This is very much possible considering Khomeni is not even Persian. He is british-indian. His father was British and mother was an Indian Kashmiri. 

By now we should be aware how the Global Elites work, they create a situation i.e thesis (in this scenario the uprise against shah) to bring into effect their desired plan i.e antithesis (appointing khomeini incharge) to execute what the masses wouldnt otherwise let them do i.e synthesis (control on iran's oil and grow opium there). 

 

See how the Syrians now can't stop chanting Bashar al assad is a dictator, EVERY POLITICAL LEADER IN THE WORLD IS A DICTATOT NO MATTER HE WAS ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY OR OTHERWISE.  Shah was a nationalist and wouldn't follow instructions from WEST on oil related issues. Also Sha wouldn't allow British to grow and then export opium from Iran. 

 

 

Imam  Musa Sadr who was lebanese Shia Ayatullah was widely respected among Shias in the world and he never accepted Khomeini as Ayatollah and in 1979 Imam Musa Sadr was magically gone, disappeared, body not found. Khomeini was given the title of ayatullah to save execution. 

 

Khomeini's father (william richard williamson aka Haji)  had worked at British petroleum as a political officer in Iran so Khomeini has a family hsitory of being in the business. 

Edited by FromShiaSunniBrotherhood

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I am sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, please do not go on if you're weak of heart or at your own risk! 

 

 

This is very much possible considering Khomeni is not even Persian. He is british-indian. His father was British and mother was an Indian Kashmiri. 

By now we should be aware how the Global Elites work, they create a situation i.e thesis (in this scenario the uprise against shah) to bring into effect their desired plan i.e antithesis (appointing khomeini incharge) to execute what the masses wouldnt otherwise let them do i.e synthesis (control on iran's oil and grow opium there). 

 

See how the Syrians now can't stop chanting Bashar al assad is a dictator, EVERY POLITICAL LEADER IN THE WORLD IS A DICTATOT NO MATTER HE WAS ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY OR OTHERWISE.  Shah was a nationalist and wouldn't follow instructions from WEST on oil related issues. Also Sha wouldn't allow British to grow and then export opium from Iran. 

 

 

Imam  Musa Sadr who was lebanese Shia Ayatullah was widely respected among Shias in the world and he never accepted Khomeini as Ayatollah and in 1979 Imam Musa Sadr was magically gone, disappeared, body not found. Khomeini was given the title of ayatullah to save execution. 

 

Khomeini's father (william richard williamson aka Haji)  had worked at British petroleum as a political officer in Iran so Khomeini has a family hsitory of being in the business.

Is this satire?

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The Zionists control the Western Media. 

 

If they don't like someone, i.e. Imam Khomeni, they will accuse them of everything under the sun, and then try to twist facts, fabricate facts, and take things out of context and use their bully pulpit (i.e. the media) to continue to broadcast this until the person is the devil himself in the eyes of most Westerners, who don't realize they are being brainwashed. 

 

Because most Westerners have no access to any facts to the contrary, i.e. the only news and information outlets they listen to are controlled by the same handful of individuals (Rubert Murdoch, Ted Turner, Bob Iger, etc), they believe that these twisted and fabricated stories are agreed upon by a wide consensus of organizations and individuals and basically a world wide opinion (since they don't speak farsi or arabic and thus don't have access to those sources which are much more varied and detailed regarding these stories)

 

When in fact, these are only stories made up by a few people, very powerful people and spread by their agents, some paid and some just completely brainwashed. 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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This is not anti Iranian. It's anti USA to be accurate. 

 

I have read these things somewhere, which you might call a salafi website but this woman here is not a salafi , i do not see/understand her interest in writing this book. Facts become relative when it's two/three sets of them out there. You can relax since i am not the one who came up with the conspiracy it's already out there.

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This is not anti Iranian. It's anti USA to be accurate. 

 

I have read these things somewhere, which you might call a salafi website but this woman here is not a salafi , i do not see/understand her interest in writing this book. Facts become relative when it's two/three sets of them out there. You can relax since i am not the one who came up with the conspiracy it's already out there.

What is the difference (in terms of causing damage) between coming up with this theory or spreading it?

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 His father was British 

 

Khomeini's father (william richard williamson aka Haji)  had worked at British petroleum as a political officer in Iran so Khomeini has a family hsitory of being in the business. 

 

Imam Khomeni's father was not BRITISH. That is a clear fact. If you are not willing to admit you made a mistake in this and detract this statement, I will regard you as just another troll. There are many here so you should be in good company. 

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What is the difference (in terms of causing damage) between coming up with this theory or spreading it?

 

 

There is no damage if it's not true. Since truth has a way of finding itself at the top always. I am not spreading it, i read it somewhere i found it relevant, i shared it. 

Imam Khomeni's father was not BRITISH. That is a clear fact. If you are not willing to admit you made a mistake in this and detract this statement, I will regard you as just another troll. There are many here so you should be in good company. 

 

 

Is this a threat?? Why, i can not share things i have read without being threatened??

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This is not anti Iranian. It's anti USA to be accurate. 

 

I have read these things somewhere, which you might call a salafi website but this woman here is not a salafi , i do not see/understand her interest in writing this book. Facts become relative when it's two/three sets of them out there. You can relax since i am not the one who came up with the conspiracy it's already out there.

You know how strong the ties of KSA with USA are. You know that the Imperialist powers want to get rid of Assad and that their tools are mainly people who consider themselves Sunni. 

Now, what should one do to distract (Sunni) people from those facts and rumours that suggest the Sunni 'muhajidin' and extremist millitant groups are actually puppets from the West?

Exactly! You accuse your enemies of that you are to be blamed yourself of. 

The Shah had friendly relations with the Imperalists powers and was one of the first leaders of countries with a muslim majority who recognized Israel. 

When the IRI came into existence the Israeli embassy was closed immediately and a delegation from the PLO was invited so te IRI could handle over the keys to them to open their own Palestinian embassy.

There are so many examples that the IRI is not in favour by Imperialist powers and Israel that indeed this whole theory is more ridiculous than the belief in Santa Claus.

 

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There is no damage if it's not true. Since truth has a way of finding itself at the top always. I am not spreading it, i read it somewhere i found it relevant, i shared it. 

 

 

Is this a threat?? Why, i can not share things i have read without being threatened??

 

To say someone is a troll is not a threat. Trolls are those who deliberately spread misinformation even after they know it to be untrue. It is simply a statement regarding their behavior. 

 

Maybe try dictionary.com 

 

threat·en
ˈTHretn/
verb
 
  1. state one's intention to take hostile action against someone in retribution for something done or not done.
    "the unions threatened a general strike"
    synonyms: menaceintimidatebrowbeatbullyblackmailterrorize
    make/issue threats to
    "how dare you threaten me?"
    • express one's intention to harm or kill (someone).
      "the men threatened the customers with a handgun"
    • cause (someone or something) to be vulnerable or at risk; endanger.
      "a broken finger threatened his career"
      synonyms: endanger, be a danger to, be a threat to, jeopardizeimperil, put at risk, put in jeopardy
      "these events could threaten the stability of Europe"
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There is no damage if it's not true. Since truth has a way of finding itself at the top always. I am not spreading it, i read it somewhere i found it relevant, i shared it.

Yes truth finds its way but how many ppl get misguided and never find the truth bcoz of such and other propaganda.

U read smthg somewhere,didn't research it and post it here...that's spreading cuz it's a public forum.

Edited by mina313

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To say someone is a troll is not a threat. Trolls are those who deliberately spread misinformation even after they know it to be untrue. It is simply a statement regarding their behavior. 

 

Maybe try dictionary.com 

 

threat·en
ˈTHretn/
verb
 
  1. state one's intention to take hostile action against someone in retribution for something done or not done.
    "the unions threatened a general strike"
    synonyms: menaceintimidatebrowbeatbullyblackmailterrorize
    make/issue threats to
    "how dare you threaten me?"
    • express one's intention to harm or kill (someone).
      "the men threatened the customers with a handgun"
    • cause (someone or something) to be vulnerable or at risk; endanger.
      "a broken finger threatened his career"
      synonyms: endanger, be a danger to, be a threat to, jeopardizeimperil, put at risk, put in jeopardy
      "these events could threaten the stability of Europe"

 

 

 

Better. You are welcome to consider me anything you like, i however wouldn't call sharing what i have read a mistake on grounds of morality or authenticity. 

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Yes truth finds its way but how many ppl get misguided and never find the truth bcoz of such and other propaganda.

U read smthg somewhere,didn't research it and post it here...that's spreading cuz it's a public forum.

 

 

UGHHH It is NOT propaganda. I have shared what i have read which happened to hurt your sentiments and was given a name. EVERYONE IS MOST WELCOME TO MAKE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO OF IT. 

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This is not anti Iranian. It's anti USA to be accurate. 

 

I have read these things somewhere, which you might call a salafi website but this woman here is not a salafi , i do not see/understand her interest in writing this book. Facts become relative when it's two/three sets of them out there. You can relax since i am not the one who came up with the conspiracy it's already out there.

i looked up this weird theory of khomaini-sadr, i found it only in salafi/saudi sites. A book called the miserable revolution is attributed to musa sadr.

 

if this claim is true, shia sites would report it because the disagreement and arguments between shia groups are all public and pretty much heated topics.

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