Religious Kids Are More Harsh And Less Generous...

[StrugglingForTheLight]

http://www.oregonlive.com/faith/2015/11/religious_kids_are_harsher_and.html

 

According to that study.

[Bakir]

Religion doesn't go hand in hand with commitment to basic morals, and same happens the other way around with atheism. It is mainly prejudices.

As for the study, I honestly dislike the generalization, but if there is a meaningful difference, I would rather look at how religion is taught instead of the message of the religion itself.

One thing I have noticed in many muslims (which is mostly the community I have talked with about these issues) is that there is some sort of preference in helping and aiding their kind over strangers. An atheist holding basic morals would help anyone regardless of the faith. Thus, in such a sad reality, I can understand the results of this study. Again, these results, if we were to take them seriously, don't seem to put atheism over theism, but to address how religion is taught in many communities.

[StrugglingForTheLight]

I don't think religion has ever been taught properly in any society as of yet.

[UnknownShia]

Its been taught as you teach culture , unfortunately the two almost are one now.... meaningless and just "there"

 

which is why I see a lot of western raised Muslims completely religiousless, they shed it along with their "old fashioned" culture....

Edited November 6, 2015 by UnknownShia

[tendersoul]

Salam,

 

If we are not a prophet, nor an Imam, nor even Salman Farsi,

Nor Imam Mahdi is present so I can put my kid in Imam Mehdi day care center

I wonder why even bother having kids....

Edited November 6, 2015 by tendersoul

[Muhammed Ali]

What it is interesting, is how much attention that study has gotten. I know people who never do any research on these things, and I have seen them speaking about this study.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Muhammed Ali

[Chaotic Muslem]

can someone get the original paper?

 

 

In another part of the experiment, the researchers showed the kids a series of scenarios involving bumping, pushing or other types of “interpersonal harm.” They they asked the kids to rate the meanness of the offenders.

Muslim kids judged the offenders most harshly, followed by Christian kids and then secular kids.  Accordingly, the children from Muslim families endorsed harsher punishments than kids in the other two groups, who were essentially tied on this score, according to the study.

 

what's wrong with this?^

 

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.html

[Haji 2003]

can someone get the original paper?

 

what's wrong with this?^

 

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.html

 

Here you go:

 

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)01167-7.pdf

 

I find a number of methodological issues with this. Not least that they controlled for all socio-economic variables with one question and that was the level of education of the mother. In a multi-nation study I think differences in socio-economics can be an important independent variable. Combined with this you have cultural issues. One of the experiments was to do with kids willingness to share stickers - well stickers would have a different level of economic value and cultural meaning (IMHO), depending on where you live in the world.

 

Also the study is touted as one of examining religion (in general), but very quickly the discussion focuses on Islam, because that's what the study was really about, IMHO.

[.InshAllah.]

Its interesting how the study spins the results.  The study says: Research indicates that religiousness is directly related to increased intolerance for and punitive attitudes toward interpersonal offenses

 

That's with the negative spin.  What they should have said is:  Children from non-religious backgrounds were more accepting of injustice than religious children.  Religious children was more sensitive to injustice and more offended by it, and this is likely due to the strong emphasis on the moral value of justice within religious traditions.  

Here you go:

 

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)01167-7.pdf

 

I find a number of methodological issues with this. Not least that they controlled for all socio-economic variables with one question and that was the level of education of the mother. In a multi-nation study I think differences in socio-economics can be an important independent variable. Combined with this you have cultural issues. One of the experiments was to do with kids willingness to share stickers - well stickers would have a different level of economic value and cultural meaning (IMHO), depending on where you live in the world.

 

Also the study is touted as one of examining religion (in general), but very quickly the discussion focuses on Islam, because that's what the study was really about, IMHO.

 

Its very strange that they only used maternal education as an indicator of socio-economic status.  Why not both parents, or the dad's, or relative income?  It makes you wonder whether they ran the calculations with these other variables but didnt get any results

[StrugglingForTheLight]

Thankyou .Inshallah.. Sometimes the Data is true but it's a matter of perspective.

[Chaotic Muslem]

Its interesting how the study spins the results.  The study says: Research indicates that religiousness is directly related to increased intolerance for and punitive attitudes toward interpersonal offenses

 

That's with the negative spin.  What they should have said is:  Children from non-religious backgrounds were more accepting of injustice than religious children.  Religious children was more sensitive to injustice and more offended by it, and this is likely due to the strong emphasis on the moral value of justice within religious traditions.  

 

Its very strange that they only used maternal education as an indicator of socio-economic status.  Why not both parents, or the dad's, or relative income?  It makes you wonder whether they ran the calculations with these other variables but didnt get any results

Mother education -in other studies- was shown alone to be of value when assessing the children behaviours, not the income nor the father education.

 

 

Here you go:

 

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)01167-7.pdf

 

I find a number of methodological issues with this. Not least that they controlled for all socio-economic variables with one question and that was the level of education of the mother. In a multi-nation study I think differences in socio-economics can be an important independent variable. Combined with this you have cultural issues. One of the experiments was to do with kids willingness to share stickers - well stickers would have a different level of economic value and cultural meaning (IMHO), depending on where you live in the world.

 

Also the study is touted as one of examining religion (in general), but very quickly the discussion focuses on Islam, because that's what the study was really about, IMHO.

The link is not working for me for a reason.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Chaotic Muslem

[.InshAllah.]

 

Mother education -in other studies- was shown alone to be of value when assessing the children behaviours, not the income nor the father education.

 

 

Could you post these studies?

[Haydar Husayn]

"Kids from non-religious backgrounds conform better to non-religious notions of morality than ones from religious backgrounds shocker."

[Chaotic Muslem]

Could you post these studies?

Salam,

I think the exact examples i saw in some course by the researcher and in some studies that i can't locate now online but i found those 2 articles which might be helpful:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2729094/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3492529/