Moderator Election Campaign Week

**Chaotic Muslem** · November 7, 2015

In my opinion, Shiachat is the religious community of those who don't have a religious community. If you live in an area without a strong Shia community, you need that chance for socialising with mumineen- naturally, this is one of the best ways of spiritual progression- as the hadiths mentions that "man is on the religion of his friend".

I was blessed to communicate with mumineen in previous times. I was suffering because I lived in a place where I pretty much had no contact with religious brothers and sisters and it really meant that I was lost. Alhamdullilah, I started using this site and through keeping contact with the dear brothers and sisters I have met here I was able to gradually improve. Of course, I'm not a spiritual person but what I am saying is that I would probably be very lost religiously if I had not used this site.

This site taught me a lot and gave me great encouragement to try and practice Islam properly. This is the best thing about this site. It is a lifeline for so many lost teenagers and young adults (I was among them) so it is essential that we develop this community, and make it the Islamic community of those without one

For example, we could have a weekly message in an article written by some members. A resident alim I know of always sends a Friday message to those on a mailing list of the centre that he leads prayers in. We can get together and create our own "Friday prayer sermon" but in a written, digital format. The contents would be checked either by one of our knowledgeable and trustworthy brothers/sisters or by a trustworthy religious scholar.

We really need to model this site as a sort of Islamic centre. As I mentioned before, the site is often just a mud-slinging festival- x cursing y because he does/doesn't do such and such practice, or have such and such belief. We are a community of believers, not a group of enemies who are out there to win the latest debate on whatever topic.

Therefore, this site needs to be the community of whoever is community-less. I hope that (even if I am not successful) this will set a precedent for a new focus of this website. Whoever is in a position of authority on this site needs to start working for this purpose.

God-willing our efforts will be accepted.

+5 for this post Silasun!

I think you are Londoner too? that would be +1

**hasanhh** · November 7, 2015

Well, who ever gets elected, Hameedeh will be a "hard act to follow", to match her performance.

**baradar_jackson** · November 7, 2015

why do you think bradar is campaigning for you ? :lol:

If you think it has anything to do with tribalism then you, my friend, are all kinds of wrong.

I will sum up my support for magma in a short statement:

I probably know magma better than most of the fine members of this interwebsite. And because of this, there may be certain peculiarities which I am aware of which the rest of you may not be.

I won't go into details and I will try not to embarrass him, but here are the characteristics he brings to the table:

- He is highly intelligent. I don't mean in the sense that he has read stacks of books and converted to a dead madhab. I mean he is sharp. He understands logic and strategy and analysis. He doesn't make long posts that often anymore, but when he does long posts, you can see these characteristics shine through. I always value people who understand strategic thinking. They are needed in our societies and needed on our websites.

- He is surgically precise. For those of you who follow Murican football, tell me what's the difference between Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford? The former, even when he was young, had very limited physical abilities. The latter has a cannon for an arm. Which of these two individuals is more successful? Manning's brain isn't human; Manning's brain is a computer programmed to dissect football, football, and more football. I think magma can be our Peyton Manning. (Also, he's a Chiefs fan so I'm sorry for comparing him to Peyton Manning... but it's better than being compared to that butt-chinned cheater Tom Brady).

- He is akhlaqi but not to the extent of exaggeration. Meaning: he is not afraid to say things bluntly (if it ever comes to criticism), and I think this is a good characteristic.

- He has a unique sense of humor. Certain individuals (whose name rhymes with starlight) want to make this into a negative thing. But I think if more members incorporated some humor into their posts every now and then, the site would be more interesting, more pleasant, and it would remove bad blood between us. For example: I have made fun of Marbles more times than I care to mention. And guess what? I made fun of him so much that I ended up feeling bad for making fun of him so much, and this removed a layer of murderous rage I had towards him (not all of it though). There is nothing wrong with incorporating humor even if you are making a serious point. Magma raised a ton of serious points in this topic; there is no sense to dismiss them simply because he is using some snazzy slogans.

And more stuff, probably. I'm tired of writing. I think that's enough for now. The point being: Vote for Magma.

Also: Khadim is a Zionist. He told me this himself. Do you really think a Zionist should be a moderator of shiachat?

Well, who ever gets elected, Hameedeh will be a "hard act to follow", to match her performance.

Hmmmmm.... I wonder who was the one who originally suggested this idea of hameedeh being a mod HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

**Chaotic Muslem** · November 7, 2015

If you think it has anything to do with tribalism then you, my friend, are all kinds of wrong.

I will sum up my support for magma in a short statement:

I probably know magma better than most of the fine members of this interwebsite. And because of this, there may be certain peculiarities which I am aware of which the rest of you may not be.

I won't go into details and I will try not to embarrass him, but here are the characteristics he brings to the table:

- He is highly intelligent. I don't mean in the sense that he has read stacks of books and converted to a dead madhab. I mean he is sharp. He understands logic and strategy and analysis. He doesn't make long posts that often anymore, but when he does long posts, you can see these characteristics shine through. I always value people who understand strategic thinking. They are needed in our societies and needed on our websites.

- He is surgically precise. For those of you who follow Murican football, tell me what's the difference between Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford? The former, even when he was young, had very limited physical abilities. The latter has a cannon for an arm. Which of these two individuals is more successful? Manning's brain isn't human; Manning's brain is a computer programmed to dissect football, football, and more football. I think magma can be our Peyton Manning. (Also, he's a Chiefs fan so I'm sorry for comparing him to Peyton Manning... but it's better than being compared to that butt-chinned cheater Tom Brady).

- He is akhlaqi but not to the extent of exaggeration. Meaning: he is not afraid to say things bluntly (if it ever comes to criticism), and I think this is a good characteristic.

- He has a unique sense of humor. Certain individuals (whose name rhymes with starlight) want to make this into a negative thing. But I think if more members incorporated some humor into their posts every now and then, the site would be more interesting, more pleasant, and it would remove bad blood between us. For example: I have made fun of Marbles more times than I care to mention. And guess what? I made fun of him so much that I ended up feeling bad for making fun of him so much, and this removed a layer of murderous rage I had towards him (not all of it though). There is nothing wrong with incorporating humor even if you are making a serious point. Magma raised a ton of serious points in this topic; there is no sense to dismiss them simply because he is using some snazzy slogans.

And more stuff, probably. I'm tired of writing. I think that's enough for now. The point being: Vote for Magma.

Also: Khadim is a Zionist. He told me this himself. Do you really think a Zionist should be a moderator of shiachat?

Hmmmmm.... I wonder who was the one who originally suggested this idea of hameedeh being a mod HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Well, to prove his strategic sharpness, we need an online chess match! That's the only way to prove it.

Khadim, are you a Zionist?

apofomysback · November 7, 2015

If you think it has anything to do with tribalism then you, my friend, are all kinds of wrong.

I will sum up my support for magma in a short statement:

I probably know magma better than most of the fine members of this interwebsite. And because of this, there may be certain peculiarities which I am aware of which the rest of you may not be.

I won't go into details and I will try not to embarrass him, but here are the characteristics he brings to the table:

- He is highly intelligent. I don't mean in the sense that he has read stacks of books and converted to a dead madhab. I mean he is sharp. He understands logic and strategy and analysis. He doesn't make long posts that often anymore, but when he does long posts, you can see these characteristics shine through. I always value people who understand strategic thinking. They are needed in our societies and needed on our websites.

- He is surgically precise. For those of you who follow Murican football, tell me what's the difference between Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford? The former, even when he was young, had very limited physical abilities. The latter has a cannon for an arm. Which of these two individuals is more successful? Manning's brain isn't human; Manning's brain is a computer programmed to dissect football, football, and more football. I think magma can be our Peyton Manning. (Also, he's a Chiefs fan so I'm sorry for comparing him to Peyton Manning... but it's better than being compared to that butt-chinned cheater Tom Brady).

- He is akhlaqi but not to the extent of exaggeration. Meaning: he is not afraid to say things bluntly (if it ever comes to criticism), and I think this is a good characteristic.

- He has a unique sense of humor. Certain individuals (whose name rhymes with starlight) want to make this into a negative thing. But I think if more members incorporated some humor into their posts every now and then, the site would be more interesting, more pleasant, and it would remove bad blood between us. For example: I have made fun of Marbles more times than I care to mention. And guess what? I made fun of him so much that I ended up feeling bad for making fun of him so much, and this removed a layer of murderous rage I had towards him (not all of it though). There is nothing wrong with incorporating humor even if you are making a serious point. Magma raised a ton of serious points in this topic; there is no sense to dismiss them simply because he is using some snazzy slogans.

And more stuff, probably. I'm tired of writing. I think that's enough for now. The point being: Vote for Magma.

Also: Khadim is a Zionist. He told me this himself. Do you really think a Zionist should be a moderator of shiachat?

Hmmmmm.... I wonder who was the one who originally suggested this idea of hameedeh being a mod HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I don't know magma, but at the moment, and from what I've judged from his posts, he just seems to be the right pick at the moment. and right now, he actually seems to be the most enthusiastic without pointing fingers at the others as such

November 7, 2015

Silasun: You said that you will try to bring in a group of scholars. This is not an easy task. In fact from our last effort which was very recent, we realised that majority of them are unavailable or unwilling. So how exactly do you plan to bring them on board?

Br. Abbas, it's just one of my suggestions. If you guys can't then I probably can't. But I mentioned an idea of some sort of integration with Q and A sites such as askthesheikh Sh. Leghaei and askthealim by World Federation. Of course, it's up to them but that would be something nice.

I wonder if a reason why scholars don't want to use this site is because it is maybe a bit controversial? I once talked to a brother at a wedding-contract party and someone mentioned Shiachat and he made a comment linking the site to the all-too common phrase in my opinion that is haraam... Perhaps the scholars need convincing that it isn't a battle ground between Wilayatis and Shirazis/ forum of mutah sob-stories/ pro-blood letting and anti. Maybe we need to act in a way that doesn't ruin the reputation of the site.

I wonder if there is anything that the moderators can do to try and focus our efforts away from these things. I'm all ears as to what the other candidates would like.

I do hope that whoever wins really tries to improve this site by listening to the members here. Without listening to the members, there will never be improvement. I'll be honest, I have never really looked at the development sub-forum so I don't know how much input lay-members have but a high degree of this is needed to succeed

+5 for this post Silasun!
I think you are Londoner too? that would be +1

Not from London, some other place in GB

Edited November 7, 2015 by silasun

Tonks · November 7, 2015

Well, to prove his strategic sharpness, we need an online chess match! That's the only way to prove it.

Khadim, are you a Zionist?

Checkers would be the halal way forward lol.

Sumerian · November 7, 2015

The fact that there's no Iraqi mod is alarming.

Vote for Silasun.

No fire worshippers should be given right to mod.

laithAlIRAQI · November 7, 2015

^ I agree

**Khadim uz Zahra** · November 7, 2015

Khadim, are you a Zionist?

No.

laithAlIRAQI · November 7, 2015

Yes.

**Ali-F** · November 7, 2015

What a match! Magma leading with two votes - starlight just behind him!!

apofomysback · November 7, 2015

Magma! Magma! Magma!

:D

Jaafar al-Shibli · November 7, 2015

The fact that there's no Iraqi mod is alarming.

Excuse me? I am Born and raised my friend.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Jaafar Al-Shibli

Sumerian · November 7, 2015

Excuse me? I am Born and raised my friend.

Lol...................

What a fail.

Jaafar al-Shibli · November 7, 2015

^If you need a Wāṣṭah (intermediary), you know who to come to....hey? My fellow ‘Iraqīs.

Sumerian · November 7, 2015

^If you need a Wāṣṭah (intermediary), you know who to come to....hey? My fellow ‘Iraqīs.

Iraqis are an oppressed minority here. Some people might be jealous of our golden history.

True Jaafar?

apofomysback · November 7, 2015

^ This should be posted in the poor jokes (pjs) thread.....

**Muslim2010** · November 7, 2015

The following can also be asked from the potential Mods:

If a warning is issued to some member then he is not allowed to make it public. He may be banned if he does so.

On the other hand if during the discussion in the threads some one from SC mentions that warnings have been issued to few members to avoid the de-railing of the thread.

What is your opinion in the light of SC rules and a public representative Mod?

Wasalam

Edited November 7, 2015 by skamran110

repenter-gone4awhile · November 7, 2015

The fact that there's no Iraqi mod is alarming.
Vote for Silasun.
No fire worshippers should be given right to mod.

Hey maaaan!

Send any complaints you have have to Allah@islam.com

He picked us as the cool ones!!!

November 7, 2015

The following can also be asked from the potential Mods:

If a warning is issued to some member then he is not allowed to make it public. He may be banned if he does so.

On the other hand if during the discussion in the threads some one from SC mentions that warnings have been issued to few members to avoid the de-railing of the thread.

What is your opinion in the light of SC rules and a public representative Mod?

Wasalam

I apologize, I didn't understand your question completely. By 'someone from SC' did you mean a mod or another member??

Handling problems is an issue which sometimes requires diplomatic sensitivity. When a problem appears its best to handle it as quietly and efficiently as possible. If someone from the members isn't happy with a way the problem had been dealt with then it should be solved through clear and open communication with that person.

**The Green Knight** · November 7, 2015

My only hope is that whoever the new moderator he or she is also a tad moderate in his dealing towards Shias having different set of religious and political beliefs than his own... . .

November 7, 2015

My only hope is that whoever the new moderator he or she is also a tad moderate in his dealing towards Shias having different set of religious and political beliefs than his own... . .

I totally agree with you DV.Moderators who are immoderate and partial can be very damaging to a forum.You can lose a lot of core/good members if a mod gets patronising/personal or is editing in a partial or biased way.

Even though it can be difficult to be impartial to some situations but I think moderators need to control their emotions at all times and stay unbiased when dealing with an issue.

mina · November 7, 2015

I think being neutral is a myth...no one is neutral.

StarryNight · November 7, 2015

I've been following this thread without participation but I like yall's efforts :)

Can someone enlighten me and tell me the benefits of a chatroom?

Magma said it was like the thoughts thread in instant mode which I totally agree, therefore, why should a mod waste their efforts in improve the chat room? what would be the purpose of it?

**The Green Knight** · November 7, 2015

I think being neutral is a myth...no one is neutral.

Its all stemming from taqleed. To create balance, we need to have a couple of moderators in taqleed of Sistani, Al-Khoie and even Shirazi. Without balance and moderation of this sort, this place will not "be great again".

As for myths, even this election being an election could be incorrect. Why we can't see the names of the voters? As far as I know, all manner of multiple accounts will be in use for voting. And admins and mods should not even vote on this particular mod who is supposed to be elected by Shiachatters. Seriously. You guys have already tailored the mod team all along. This one should be the peoples' turn?

**Ruq** · November 7, 2015

Call me soppy, but cant we make all the candidates who clearly have a passion for modship mods? maybe give them all a test run and see who takes to the responsibilities the best and then allow the most eager to stay on.

**Cake** · November 7, 2015

9 pages? Sheesh...

Cake, as chat mod, what is your assessment of the chatroom activity, content, and general value in the forum?

I think a chatroom is important as it allows easier dialogue than that in the forum. It also allows people to adjust their positions and communicate more effectively (in some ways) due to its real time nature. We've had some good discussions in the chatroom.

Cake doesn't look like he is interested in this position. Unless he is acting as the silent observer which he normally does even on the chatroom. Cake what will you do differently to what you already are doing if you were a mod?

Differently? I'll be myself. I'm not about to make a dozen promises after having disappeared for months/years like some others :P

Unrelated guys, but can we have another catagory, namely 'rijalists' and 'translators'? It would really help to signal those guys out. The rijalists obviously need to be proven rijalists, not scholars but still head and shoulders above the rest of us to introduce us , and the translators so we know maybe who to pester in PM's for translations.

I think that's a really bad idea. Sorry. Just because a person translates on the forums, it doesn't mean that they actually know Arabic well enough to have some kind of official title. The same applies with people posting on rijal.

There was only 1 way i could settle it, yes, a good old fashioned Cannellini bean lottery. This was the result:

I object to being materialised in bean form. I am made from flour and eggs, not halal gelatine.

Mr. Magma, what are your thoughts on having shiachat "blogs," and trying to "pull" shiachatters who have blogs hosted on other websites (like tumblr or blogger) to bring their blogs here so we have a sort of integrated blog network?

Yes, I even mean terrible, terrible blogs like "Reviving al-Islam."

Do you think this sort of network can strengthen the "academic" side of shiachat while also generating more activity amongst users?

Also: do you consider it a priority to try and bring back classic members?

Why did you stop with your amusing poems, Baradar?

I want to add to this. Many times members complain about things not being fixed and not improving. Please remember that the mods and many of the admins do not have access to areas that would allow for this to happen. Prospective mods should also take this into consideration. Only a few have the ability to change the way that the site looks and works. We can't do much at all.

How about organising a petition outside of Ali's house heh?

Abu'l Khattab · November 7, 2015

Ja'far Shibli (Majhool) narrated to me from Qa'im (Thiqa) from Abu Tufayl (Thiqa) from a man who said to a group of people:

"Do you see this sun?"

They said yes.

He continued: "Do you doubt in its rise every morning?"

They said no.

He said: "Shall I inform you of something which is more certain?"

They said: "Please, may we be sacrified for you."

He said: "The right of Cake for modship is more certain than the rising of the sun every morning."

In another narration with a same tradition, from Darth Vader (Thiqa) who said:

"I was sitting with Cake when a man entered upon him and started insulting him. I stood up to refute him but Cake held me back and said:

"Leave the man be."

So the man continued insulting until he became furious with the lack of response from us and left.

Cake said to me: "Do you know who that man was?"

I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"

Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said: "That was Iblees. Verily, Iblees runs from me faster than the flapping of a hummingbird's wing."

So what will you deny now from not making Cake a mod?

Edited November 7, 2015 by Abu'l Khattab

**Khadim uz Zahra** · November 7, 2015

Differently? I'll be myself. I'm not about to make a dozen promises after having disappeared for months/years like some others :P

You finally replied!

And, best campaign slogan.

In another narration with a same tradition, from Darth Vader (Thiqah) who said:

I concur that the first Hadith is sahih without a doubt but the second? Seriously? A man who is named after the most brutal man in some galaxy far, far away is Thiqa? Which rijal books are you consulting? Rijal al-Palpatine? Sahifa Jar Jar Binks?

Edited November 7, 2015 by Khadim uz Zahra

November 7, 2015

In another narration with a same tradition, from Darth Vader (Thiqah) who said:
"I was sitting with Cake when a man entered upon him and started insulting him. I stood up to refute him but Cake held me back and said:
"Leave the man be."
So the man continued insulting until he became furious with the lack of response from us and left.
Cake said to me: "Do you know who that man was?"
I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said: "That was Iblees. Verily, Iblees runs from me faster than the flapping of a hummingbird's wing."
So what will you deny now from not making Cake a mod?

Lol,

After

"I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said...."

When i reached here I was almost certain you were going to put a candidate's name. :P :D

Tonks · November 7, 2015

Ja'far Shibli (Majhool) narrated to me from Qa'im (Thiqa) from Abu Tufayl (Thiqa) from a man who said to a group of people:
"Do you see this sun?"
They said yes.
He continued: "Do you doubt in its rise every morning?"
They said no.
He said: "Shall I inform you of something which is more certain?"

They said: "Please, may we be sacrified for you."
He said: "The right of Cake for modship is more certain than the rising of the sun every morning."

In another narration with a same tradition, from Darth Vader (Thiqa) who said:

"I was sitting with Cake when a man entered upon him and started insulting him. I stood up to refute him but Cake held me back and said:

"Leave the man be."
So the man continued insulting until he became furious with the lack of response from us and left.
Cake said to me: "Do you know who that man was?"
I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"
Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said: "That was Iblees. Verily, Iblees runs from me faster than the flapping of a hummingbird's wing."
So what will you deny now from not making Cake a mod?

This post wins it for Cake.

**Bakir** · November 7, 2015

Ja'far Shibli (Majhool) narrated to me from Qa'im (Thiqa) from Abu Tufayl (Thiqa) from a man who said to a group of people:
"Do you see this sun?"
They said yes.
He continued: "Do you doubt in its rise every morning?"
They said no.
He said: "Shall I inform you of something which is more certain?"
They said: "Please, may we be sacrified for you."
He said: "The right of Cake for modship is more certain than the rising of the sun every morning."
In another narration with a same tradition, from Darth Vader (Thiqa) who said:
"I was sitting with Cake when a man entered upon him and started insulting him. I stood up to refute him but Cake held me back and said:
"Leave the man be."
So the man continued insulting until he became furious with the lack of response from us and left.
Cake said to me: "Do you know who that man was?"
I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"
Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said: "That was Iblees. Verily, Iblees runs from me faster than the flapping of a hummingbird's wing."
So what will you deny now from not making Cake a mod?

This is probably the best post of all this thread xD!

Abu'l Khattab · November 7, 2015

Lol,
After
"I said: "No, may I be sacrified for you, who is it?"Cake looked at me from under his glasses and said...."
When i reached here I was almost certain you were going to put a candidate's name. :P :D

No that would put me under the ban hammer surely.

November 7, 2015

I am so glad Cake made a post :)

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