Additions In Adhaan

[Ghadeer_14]

Assalamalekum,

 

While I was working on my new journal I wanted to add a topic regarding the additions in Adhaan.

 

As per my knowledge, the addition of "Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah" was added in Adhaan by Umar bin Abdul aziz (please rectify me if wrong) which was a political act against the propaganda of cursing Imam Ali (AS) from the mosques.

 

My point is, if "Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm" could be be added later on (after the death of Prophet (SAW) in Adhaan by Umar bin khattab (please rectify me if wrong), so it should be permissible also to call Ali's (AS) name after adhaan.

 

Your contributions would be highly apprecaited on this regard.

 

Ameen

[Skanderbeg]

Salam, 

However,

If Umar bin Abdul Aziz added it to Adhan then it would have undermined the validity of his own authority so I think this 'Umayyad invented iyt' story is just a made-up argument by probably some nasibis to ridicule this addition.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[Irfani313]

Dear brother -

 

Proclaiming the Wilaya of Ameer ul Momineen Ali was NOT added by Umer bin Abdulaziz. Only thing Umer bin Az did was discontinued the cursing on Imam Ali from the Juma' khutba that his forefathers namely Muawiah instituted and later was continued by the rest of the despots from the line of Ummayad and Marwan.

 

As far as procaliming the wilaya of Ali in Adhan, among Shia, this is only a mustahib (not obligatiry but preferable to proclaim) part of Adhan. From fiqh point of view, this is NOT the part of Adhan among Shia.

 

For sunnah people, saying the As Sala o Khair ul minal Nawm is Wajib (obligatory) part of their Adhan which was instituted by Umer and not by the Prophet.

 

Anything anyone add in the religion as wajib (obligatory) which was not made wajib by the Prophet; or declare haram (forbidden) not delared haram by Prophet is called Biddah or even worst, transgression against the law of Allah swt. Umer did both.

 

I would encourage to re-do your research dear brother before writing a journal whcih you may propagate to people and inadvertently mislead them and earn enormous sins of misinformation as a result.  

[Ghadeer_14]

Dear brother -

Proclaiming the Wilaya of Ameer ul Momineen Ali was NOT added by Umer bin Abdulaziz. Only thing Umer bin Az did was discontinued the cursing on Imam Ali from the Juma' khutba that his forefathers namely Muawiah instituted and later was continued by the rest of the despots from the line of Ummayad and Marwan.

As far as procaliming the wilaya of Ali in Adhan, among Shia, this is only a mustahib (not obligatiry but preferable to proclaim) part of Adhan. From fiqh point of view, this is NOT the part of Adhan among Shia.

For sunnah people, saying the As Sala o Khair ul minal Nawm is Wajib (obligatory) part of their Adhan which was instituted by Umer and not by the Prophet.

Anything anyone add in the religion as wajib (obligatory) which was not made wajib by the Prophet; or declare haram (forbidden) not delared haram by Prophet is called Biddah or even worst, transgression against the law of Allah swt. Umer did both.

I would encourage to re-do your research dear brother before writing a journal whcih you may propagate to people and inadvertently mislead them and earn enormous sins of misinformation as a result.

Mashallah brother, thank you for sharing. Would appreciate if you could contribute a bit more which might help my work furthermore

[tendersoul]

Salam,

What brother Irfan313 said Is absolutely correct.

But I would like to add the wisdom as to why the addition in shia is not innovation verses it is innovation in sunni.

Here is brief audio about the wisdom of azan by my teacher:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235032080-irfan-knowing-Allah/#entry2846750

The original azan which is mentioned by Imam sadiq does not consist of Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah,

However saying it does not invalidate the azan by stating it.

But stating As Sala o Khair ul minal Nawm is a total innovation.

Why? Because Angels do not sleep !

When you listen to the audio you will understand a lot better and will DEFINITELY help you in your research

All the best Insha Allah

Edited November 4, 2015 by tendersoul

[Irfani313]

Dear Brother - please refer to Shia online library www.al-islam.org for further reading.

[Ramis Khan]

Assalamalekum,

 

While I was working on my new journal I wanted to add a topic regarding the additions in Adhaan.

 

As per my knowledge, the addition of "Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah" was added in Adhaan by Umar bin Abdul aziz (please rectify me if wrong) which was a political act against the propaganda of cursing Imam Ali (as) from the mosques.

 

My point is, if "Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm" could be be added later on (after the death of Prophet (SAW) in Adhaan by Umar bin khattab (please rectify me if wrong), so it should be permissible also to call Ali's (as) name after adhaan.

 

Your contributions would be highly apprecaited on this regard.

 

Ameen

As salatu khairun minan naum was NOT added later on, it was added as per Rasoolullah SAW command.

 

These ahadith include the following: 

1 – It was narrated that Abu Mahdhoorah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I used to give the adhaan for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in the first adhaan of Fajr I used to say: “Hayya ‘ala al-falaah, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, Allaahu akbar Allaahu akbar, laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (come to prosperity, prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep, Allaah is Most Great, Allaah is Most Great, there is no god but Allaah).” 

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 500; al-Nasaa’i, 647; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. 

2 – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: In the first adhaan after the word al-falaah it said: Al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm (prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep).

 Shaykh al-Albaani said: 

It was narrated by al-Tahhaawi (1/82) with a hasan isnaad as al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees (3/169). 

Al-Thamr al-Mustataab, p. 131

Detailed answer http://islamqa.info/en/45518

 

[Skanderbeg]

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the muadhdhin came to Umar ibn al-Khattab to call him to the subh prayer and found him sleeping, so he said, "Prayer is better than sleep," and Umar ordered him to put that in the adhan for subh. 

Muwatta of Imam Malik

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=3&translator=4&start=0&number=3.1.8#3.1.8

Edited November 5, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[Ramis Khan]

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the muadhdhin came to Umar ibn al-Khattab to call him to the subh prayer and found him sleeping, so he said, "Prayer is better than sleep," and Umar ordered him to put that in the adhan for subh. 

Muwatta of Imam Malik

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=3&translator=4&start=0&number=3.1.8#3.1.8

 

I have provided the answer with more than one hadith proving that this phrase is Sunnah, not Bida'h, care to read the detailed answer.

[iraqi_shia]

the real issue is why do the shia not go back to the Athan in our books? How can we say the sunni have bidah athan, when we admit the athan in 99% of shia mosques is also bidah...

[ShiaMan14]

the real issue is why do the shia not go back to the Athan in our books? How can we say the sunni have bidah athan, when we admit the athan in 99% of shia mosques is also bidah...

but according to Caliph Umar - there is good bidah and there is bad bidah. And zikr-e-ali is ibadh not bidah per the hadith of our beloved Prophet saw 

[tendersoul]

the real issue is why do the shia not go back to the Athan in our books? How can we say the sunni have bidah athan, when we admit the athan in 99% of shia mosques is also bidah...

Salam,

 

The answer is in the fantastic audio link, about the wisdom, behind Azan and Salah :)

Anyone who really wants an answer to this can listen to the audio, I also provided above in Ghadeer's post.

If I explain it, it will definitely loose its charm.

 

http://www.shiachat....h/#entry2846750

 

Wasalam

Edited November 5, 2015 by tendersoul

[Skanderbeg]

I have provided the answer with more than one hadith proving that this phrase is Sunnah, not Bida'h, care to read the detailed answer.

Why the contradiction?

Edited November 6, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[Abu_Rumaysah]

As far as procaliming the wilaya of Ali in Adhan, among Shia, this is only a mustahib (not obligatiry but preferable to proclaim) part of Adhan. From fiqh point of view, this is NOT the part of Adhan among Shia.

 

 

 

I personally always loved this part. 

Make such and such innovation is not obligatory, just recommended. 

 

Guys, honestly if you added something on the base that it is not obligation, can we add some more? For example why to limit yourself with one Imam, if you have 12? Why not to add all of them? But for sure it will be only preferable, not obligation.

 

Taking into consideration that you last Imam has not been seen for ages, you should indicate who is person in charge now. My suggestion add: Ashhadu anna Khamenie Wilayatul Faqeeh. Just make sure everybody understood it is not obligation. Just recommended. 

 

 

For sunnah people, saying the As Sala o Khair ul minal Nawm is Wajib (obligatory) part of their Adhan which was instituted by Umer and not by the Prophet.

 

 

 

Imam Muhammad ibn Hasan ash-Shaybani, the student of Imam Abu Haneefa said: as-Salatu Khayrun min an Nawm - place for this in the azan at Subh, AFTER FINISHING THE CALL. IT IS NOT necessary to add to the call anything that is not part of it".

Source: Muwatta li Imam Malik fi riwayat Muhammad ibn Hasan chapter 29, p 78 

 

So at least in accordance to Ahnaaf, this addition is not even part of azan. 

 

And now I have question to you, What force you lie upon sunni Muslims by speaking without knowledge?

 

 

Anything anyone add in the religion as wajib (obligatory) which was not made wajib by the Prophet; or declare haram (forbidden) not delared haram by Prophet is called Biddah or even worst, transgression against the law of Allah swt. Umer did both.

 

 

 

Hater makes you blind.

 

First - show me single place where Umar (may Allah be pleased with him, and upon his haters what they deserve) said that this addition is wajib. 

 

Just one sound proof to shut up all sahaba haters: 

It was narrated that Abu Mahdhoorah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I used to give the adhaan for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in the first adhaan of Fajr I used to say: “Hayya ‘ala al-falaah, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, Allaahu akbar Allaahu akbar, laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (come to prosperity, prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep, Allaah is Most Great, Allaah is Most Great, there is no god but Allaah).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 500; al-Nasaa’i, 647; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

 

But Allah loves justice.

 

Main problem with shias, that you and your religion involved in continuous evolution.  You just never stop changing. What was bidah for your forefathers, became sunnah for you, what is sunnah for you, will be obligation for your grandchildren.

 

Your Truthul sheikh - as Saduq said in Man Laa YaHduruh Al-Faqeeh, vol. 1, pg. 290 – 291:

 

‘This is the authentic (Sahih) Adhan, nothing is to be added or subtracted from it. The Mufawwidah’s (form of Ghulat/extremists), may Allah curse them, have fabricated traditions and have added to the Adhan مُحَمَّدٌ وَ آلُ مُحَمَّدٍ خَيْرُ الْبَرِيَّةِ (Muhammad and the family of Muhammad are the best of mankind) twice. In some of their traditions, after saying أَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّداً رَسُولُ اللَّهِ (I bear witness that Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah) (they add) أَشْهَدُ أَنَّ عَلِيّاً وَلِيُّ اللَّهِ (I bear witness that ‘Ali is the Wali of Allah) twice. Among them there are others who narrate thisأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ عَلِيّاً أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ (I bear witness that ‘Ali is the commander of the faithfull) twice. There is no doubt that ‘Ali is the Wali of Allah and that he is the true commander of the faithful and that Muhammad and his family, peace be upon them, are the best of creatures. However, that is not [part] of the original Adhan. I have mentioned this so that those who have been accused of concocting tafwid and have insulated themselves in our ranks should be known.“

 

 

Here is what Al-Toosi (d. 460 AH) had to say about the 3rd testimony in the adhaan.

و أمّا ما روي في شواذّ الأخبار من قول: «أشهد انّ عليا وليّ اللّه و آل محمّد خير البريّة» فممّا لا يعمل عليه في الأذان و الإقامة. فمن عمل بها كان مخطئا

Translation: “The are some odd (shaadh) reports of saying أشهد انّ عليا وليّ اللّه and آل محمّد خير البريّة. You must NOT do it in the Adhaan and Iqaamah. And whoever does this action is in mukhTi (error)“

Source:

 Al-Toosi, Al-Nihaayah fee Mujarrad Al-Fiqh wa Al-Fataawaa, pg. 69

 

 

Shaheed Al-Thaanee said about 3rd testimony in Adhaan & Iqaamah

و أمّا إضافة «أنّ عليّاً وليّ اللّه»، و «آل محمّد خير البريّة» و نحو ذلك فبدعة، و أخبارها موضوعة

Translation: “And addition (to the adhaan & iqaamah) of عليّاً وليّ اللّه and آل محمّد خير البريّة is a bid’ah and the narrations regarding it (3rd testimony) is mawDoo’ (fabricated).”

Source:

 Shaheed Al-Thaanee, Al-RawDah Al-Jinaan fee sharH Irshaad Al-Adhhaan, vol. 2, pg. 646

 

Here is what Al-Muhaqqiq Al-Sabzawaaree (d. 1090 AH) had to say about the 3rd testimony in Adhaan.

و أمّا إضافة أنّ عليّا وليّ اللَّه و آل محمّد خير البريّة و أمثال ذلك فقد صرّح الأصحاب بكونها بدعة و إن كان حقّا صحيحا إذ الكلام في دخولها في الأذان و هو موقوف على التوقيف الشرعي و لم يثب

Translation: “And about adding the أنّ عليّا وليّ اللَّه and آل محمّد خير البريّة , the jurists have clearly stated that this is a bid’ah. And the statement is true. But adding it to the adhaan is dependent upon its divine ordainment. (al-tawqeef al-shar’ee)”

Source:

Al-Sabzawaareee (d. 1090), Dhakheerah Al-Ma’aad fee sharH Al-Irshaad, vol. 2, pg. 244

 

Seems only Nader here reading your own books.

 

Cheers!

 

 

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the muadhdhin came to Umar ibn al-Khattab to call him to the subh prayer and found him sleeping, so he said, "Prayer is better than sleep," and Umar ordered him to put that in the adhan for subh. 

Muwatta of Imam Malik

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=3&translator=4&start=0&number=3.1.8#3.1.8

 

Report narrated in /balaghane/ form. Yane`e without any chain. Mursal=Weak, especially taking into consideration sound, connected reports that this was taught by our beloved prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam).

See how hypocrite this attack upon commander of faithful, seems to us - simple sunnis?!!

 

Shias: Umar added to azan - as Salatu khayrun min nawm! This is bidah! He is mubtadi! 

 

But we do add Ashhadu anna alian waliullah. This addition is fine, because it is not part of azan! WHAT THE HECK? 

Edited November 10, 2015 by Abu_Rumaysah

[iraqi_shia]

 Abu_Rumaysah,

 

That is pretty much what we are saying. Im not disagreeing with you, and neither will anyone else, as these are facts.

 

I think the reality is that those who know, eg the educated would say the original athan, and the lay people, or the masses will just stick to what they heard over time regardless of its source.

 

What is irritating is that the educated seem happy for the lay to continue in ignorance. Eg the matter is clear, why is it that the athan is not clearly laid out by the Marjas  so the lay people will know what is right ? They simply say the extra words must not be read with the intention of athan, thats just a play on words and we all know it.

[tendersoul]

Abu_Rumaysah,

That is pretty much what we are saying. Im not disagreeing with you, and neither will anyone else, as these are facts.

I think the reality is that those who know, eg the educated would say the original athan, and the lay people, or the masses will just stick to what they heard over time regardless of its source.

What is irritating is that the educated seem happy for the lay to continue in ignorance. Eg the matter is clear, why is it that the athan is not clearly laid out by the Marjas so the lay people will know what is right ? They simply say the extra words must not be read with the intention of athan, thats just a play on words and we all know it.

Salam,

Your question has been amazingIy answered now that you require proof.

The answer is in the fantastic audio link, about the wisdom, behind Azan and Salah :)

Anyone who really wants an answer to this can listen to the audio.

If I explain it, it will definitely loose its charm.

http://www.shiachat....h/#entry2846750

Wasalam

[iraqi_shia]

Salam,

Your question has been amazingIy answered now that you require proof.

The answer is in the fantastic audio link, about the wisdom, behind Azan and Salah :)

Anyone who really wants an answer to this can listen to the audio.

If I explain it, it will definitely loose its charm.

http://www.shiachat....h/#entry2846750

Wasalam

 

 

Tendersoul,

 

Im a little annoyed, I listened to the audio, I cant find any reference to additions in athan in it. Can you let me know at which point they discuss additions in athan?

[syed_shia]

Salaam.

 

According to the sunni school of thought, the recitation of as salaat khairal [.....] is established part of adhaan. They do not recognise that it was 'added' later.

 

The shia school of thought do acknowledge that 'aliun waliullah' isn't part of the adhan and have added it, althought with the intention it's not part of the adhan...

[Abu_Rumaysah]

Salaam.

 

According to the sunni school of thought, the recitation of as salaat khairal [.....] is established part of adhaan. They do not recognise that it was 'added' later.

 

Seems I need to repeat:

 

Imam Muhammad ibn Hasan ash-Shaybani, the student of Imam Abu Haneefa said: as-Salatu Khayrun min an Nawm - place for this in the azan at Subh, AFTER FINISHING THE CALL. IT IS NOT necessary to add to the call anything that is not part of it".

Source: Muwatta li Imam Malik fi riwayat Muhammad ibn Hasan chapter 29, p 78 

[Skanderbeg]

Salam, 

Then what is it?

The hadith from Abu Dawud that it is a practice since Rasulullah or the chainless hadith from Malik's Muawatta that it was added by Umar or the words of Muhammad ibn Hassan ash-Shaybani that it was an addition and is not obligatory.

The funny thing of sunnism is that for every hadith they have a counter-hadith or saying or whatever which contradicts the other. 

One rejoices over the fact how swift and smooth one is in hopping from one contradiction towards the other considering this an honourable skill instead of realizing that one is defending a card-house of contradictions and that people cannot distinguish the trees from the wood anymore.

 

Edited November 14, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[Abu_Rumaysah]

The funny thing of sunnism is that for every hadith they have a counter-hadith or saying or whatever which contradicts the other. 

One rejoices over the fact how swift and smooth one is in hopping from one contradiction towards the other considering this an honourable skill instead of realizing that one is defending a card-house of contradictions and that people cannot distinguish the trees from the wood anymore.

 

 

Your sheikh Abu Jafar at-Tusi said in the introduction to "Tahzib al-Ahkam":

 

 

 

إن أحاديث أصحابنا فيها من الاختلاف والتباين والمنافاة والتضاد حتى لا يكاد يتفق خبر إلا وبإزائه ما يضاده، ولا يسلم حديث إلا وفي مقابلته ما ينافيه حتي جعل مخالفونا ذلك من أعظم الطعون على مذهبنا وتطرقوا بذلك إلى إبطال معتقدنا، إلى أن قال: أنه بسبب ذلك رجع جماعة عن اعتقاد الحق ومنهم أبوالحسين الهاروني العلوي حيث كان يعتقد الحق ويدين بالإمامة فرجع عنها لما إلتبس عليه الأمر في اختلاف الأحاديث وترك المذهب ودان بغيره لما لم يتبين له وجوه المعاني فيها، وهذا يدل على أنه دخل فيه على غير بصيرة واعتقد المذهب من جهة التقليد

تهديب الأحكام،1/2

 

Translation:

And the Shaykh of the sect (Al-Ta’efa/Shiism) says in his Tahtheeb:

And among the Hadiths (narrated) by our companions (Shia scholars/companions of the Imams) are so many disparities, contrast, contravening and contradictions that you will not find a single report that we agree upon which doesn’t have another that contradicts it, and not a single Hadith is safe from another which denies it. These (contradictions) are to such an extent that our opponents (the Muslims/Ahl Al-Sunnah) have used it as the biggest accusation/attack against our school and as a proof for the falsehood of our creed.

(Until he said): ‘… and this is why a number (of Shias) have left the true creed and amongst them are the likes of Abu Al-Hassan Al-Harouni Al-Alawi, who used to be on the true creed, upon the creed of Imamah (Imamate), but he turned away from it when confusion overtook him due to the issue of the contradicting Hadiths. So he left the school (of Shiism) and attached himself to another (school), as he could not grasp the different understanding (of our text) and this is an indication that the did not embraced it (Shiism) without insight, rather based on Taqleed.

Source: Tahtheeb Al-Ahkam 1/8 by sheikh of the sect al Tusi.

[Skanderbeg]

Salam, 

There are abundant examples in the Holy Quran about leaders who were appointed by Allah.

While there is not even one example of a leader who was chosen by shura.

BTW:

There was not one Imam who cursed, killed, or waged war with another Imam while the caliphate and its succession of caliphs was full of  tragedies and contradictions. 

Try harder.



 

Edited November 14, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[tendersoul]

Tendersoul,

Im a little annoyed, I listened to the audio, I cant find any reference to additions in athan in it. Can you let me know at which point they discuss additions in athan?

Salam,

Because there isn't any Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah in the original Azan!

I don't know if you heard the full audio.

The azan as it is explained by the person in the audio file does not have Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah.

BUT if you listened to the whole part of the Azan you would understand ,

The part he explained about the prophets arrival at the fourth sky by the fourth Allah Akbar.

When prophet muhammad was at the fourth sky he had to introduce his beliefs to the Angels to enter ,

that he bears witness that he comes from the path of la ilaha illal lah ,

and bears witness the he is the prophet of God. Just like a pass code to gain access.

Now although the part of Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah is not part of the original Azan ,

if we were to bare witness to the Angels in the fourth sky that Ali is the wali of Allah, it would not disrupt the Azan.

But by adding "Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm" ,

we are saying that in that realm where the Angels are announcing to all to hurry up, sleep does not make sense!

The Angels would probably give us a confused look and say what are you talking about ? We don't sleep !

Angels do not sleep!

We pray according to the heavens timing Along with Angels, in that realm.

So an angel announcing to other Angels that prayer is better than sleep is a false statement.

But to testify and bare witness to the Angels in the fourth sky that we come from the path of la ilaha illaha ,

and mohammad is our guide and prophet and ali is the authority from Allah,

will not make the Angels stop the person entering into the fourth sky.

As Azan comes from the word Ezn meaning permission as you may know,

Angels will not stop us to gain access to the fourth sky on the basis of bareing witness ,

that  we chose to follow Imam Ali in Islam, after Mohammad (pbuh).

However the original Azan does not state that.

So it is best to stick to the original Azan by imam Jafar sadiq which did not have Ali un wali Allah.

Because that is the Azan stated by Imam Jafar Sadiq.

So if any sunni brother would have listened to the wisdom of Azan file I provided

They would understand that Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm is an addition which does not make sense in that realm,

nor would they need to say Aliun wali Allah.

 

Wasalam

Edited November 16, 2015 by tendersoul

[iraqi_shia]

Salam,

Because there isn't any Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah in the original Azan!

I don't know if you heard the full audio.

The azan as it is explained by the person in the audio file does not have Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah.

BUT if you listened to the whole part of the Azan you would understand ,

The part he explained about the prophets arrival at the fourth sky by the fourth Allah Akbar.

When prophet muhammad was at the fourth sky he had to introduce his beliefs to the Angels to enter ,

that he bears witness that he comes from the path of la ilaha illal lah ,

and bears witness the he is the prophet of God. Just like a pass code to gain access.

Now although the part of Ashahadu Ali-un Waliullah is not part of the original Azan ,

if we were to bare witness to the Angels in the fourth sky that Ali is the wali of Allah, it would not disrupt the Azan.

But by adding "Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm" ,

we are saying that in that realm where the Angels are announcing to all to hurry up, sleep does not make sense!

The Angels would probably give us a confused look and say what are you talking about ? We don't sleep !

Angels do not sleep!

We pray according to the heavens timing Along with Angels, in that realm.

So an angel announcing to other Angels that prayer is better than sleep is a false statement.

But to testify and bare witness to the Angels in the fourth sky that we come from the path of la ilaha illaha ,

and mohammad is our guide and prophet and ali is the authority from Allah,

will not make the Angels stop the person entering into the fourth sky.

As Azan comes from the word Ezn meaning permission as you may know,

Angels will not stop us to gain access to the fourth sky on the basis of bareing witness ,

that  we chose to follow Imam Ali in Islam, after Mohammad (pbuh).

However the original Azan does not state that.

So it is best to stick to the original Azan by imam Jafar sadiq which did not have Ali un wali Allah.

Because that is the Azan stated by Imam Jafar Sadiq.

So if any sunni brother would have listened to the wisdom of Azan file I provided

They would understand that Assalatu Khairal Minan Nawm is an addition which does not make sense in that realm,

nor would they need to say Aliun wali Allah.

 

Wasalam

 

 

That doesnt work for me.

 

Its a nice story, but if the Prophet SAW and the Imams AS taught us to do athan one way, then why should anyone change?

[tendersoul]

That doesnt work for me.

 

Its a nice story, but if the Prophet SAW and the Imams AS taught us to do athan one way, then why should anyone change?

Salam,

 

I understand your point of view, And mentioned it is best to stick to the original Azan,without adding to it.

 

That is what really makes a person Shia by following what has been taught.

 

As for it being a nice story, Meraj is also a very fairy tale like story or something similar to Harry potter for many rationalistic muslims .

 

Wasalam

Edited November 16, 2015 by tendersoul

[Hugo Boss]

On 11/14/2015 at 1:29 PM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

 

Your sheikh Abu Jafar at-Tusi said in the introduction to "Tahzib al-Ahkam":

 

 

 

إن أحاديث أصحابنا فيها من الاختلاف والتباين والمنافاة والتضاد حتى لا يكاد يتفق خبر إلا وبإزائه ما يضاده، ولا يسلم حديث إلا وفي مقابلته ما ينافيه حتي جعل مخالفونا ذلك من أعظم الطعون على مذهبنا وتطرقوا بذلك إلى إبطال معتقدنا، إلى أن قال: أنه بسبب ذلك رجع جماعة عن اعتقاد الحق ومنهم أبوالحسين الهاروني العلوي حيث كان يعتقد الحق ويدين بالإمامة فرجع عنها لما إلتبس عليه الأمر في اختلاف الأحاديث وترك المذهب ودان بغيره لما لم يتبين له وجوه المعاني فيها، وهذا يدل على أنه دخل فيه على غير بصيرة واعتقد المذهب من جهة التقليد

تهديب الأحكام،1/2

 

Translation:

And the Shaykh of the sect (Al-Ta’efa/Shiism) says in his Tahtheeb:

And among the Hadiths (narrated) by our companions (Shia scholars/companions of the Imams) are so many disparities, contrast, contravening and contradictions that you will not find a single report that we agree upon which doesn’t have another that contradicts it, and not a single Hadith is safe from another which denies it. These (contradictions) are to such an extent that our opponents (the Muslims/Ahl Al-Sunnah) have used it as the biggest accusation/attack against our school and as a proof for the falsehood of our creed.

(Until he said): ‘… and this is why a number (of Shias) have left the true creed and amongst them are the likes of Abu Al-Hassan Al-Harouni Al-Alawi, who used to be on the true creed, upon the creed of Imamah (Imamate), but he turned away from it when confusion overtook him due to the issue of the contradicting Hadiths. So he left the school (of Shiism) and attached himself to another (school), as he could not grasp the different understanding (of our text) and this is an indication that the did not embraced it (Shiism) without insight, rather based on Taqleed.

Source: Tahtheeb Al-Ahkam 1/8 by sheikh of the sect al Tusi.

Mashallah, I have seen this lie quoted everywhere, and it seems to be no one, not even [Edited Out], *************, youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com and many other anti-Shia sites had the audacity to look at what the Sheikh (ra) said on the next page. What Sheikh Al Tusi (ra) said was that Shia hadiths was in a big mess by giving this story - QUOTATION END". What the sheikh (ra) said on the other page, is *that now he is going to solve that problem by writing down a book called "Tadheeb al Ahkam" the very book he was taken out of context for*!!!!!
I have seen these silly lies, and boy oh boy, these are only making me more certain about Shiism. 

[Asghar Ali Karbalai]

Looks like some people are really jealous and frustrated because of Moula Ali's wilayah being in Adhaan.

This is why Rasool(saww) said to do zikr of (his brother) Moula Ali(asws) in front of a person to know whether he/she  is a munafiq or a momin.

Big Laanah on the haters/deniers of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Big Laanah on the enemies of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

[Ralvi]

14 minutes ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

Looks like some people are really jealous and frustrated because of Moula Ali's wilayah being in Adhaan.

This is why Rasool(saww) said to do zikr of (his brother) Moula Ali(asws) in front of a person to know whether he/she  is a munafiq or a momin.

Big Laanah on the haters/deniers of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Big Laanah on the enemies of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Lanaat beshumaar!!

Edited December 12, 2018 by Ralvi

[786:)]

24 minutes ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

Looks like some people are really jealous and frustrated because of Moula Ali's wilayah being in Adhaan.

This is why Rasool(saww) said to do zikr of (his brother) Moula Ali(asws) in front of a person to know whether he/she  is a munafiq or a momin.

Big Laanah on the haters/deniers of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Big Laanah on the enemies of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Lol no one is frustrated. You seem frustrated with haq. Go look at what our early scholars said about this matter. They all call it a bidah. It was just recently under Safavid rule that it became “mustahab”. Don’t let your emotions dictate haq from batil. If you must say it in your adhan, then please feel free, but do not be delusional and think that is the same adhan of Muhammad (saw) wa Ale Muhammad (as). It is simply the adhan of Shah Ismail.

[786:)]

20 minutes ago, Ralvi said:

Lanaat beshumaar!!

You just sent lanat on Ayatollah Sistani. He does not consider it apart of adhan either. Don’t let your emotions rule.

[Asghar Ali Karbalai]

1 hour ago, 786:) said:

You just sent lanat on Ayatollah Sistani. He does not consider it apart of adhan either. Don’t let your emotions rule.

I dont believe in those ullemas who deny this as a part of adhan.

I am alhamdulilah not frustrated over mentioning the merits of my beloved king my Moula Ali(asws), brother, frustrated are those whose fathers were killed as kafirs by my Moula(asws) in the battles. Those are the ruined ones.

Continuous laanah on the deniers of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Between I am saying deniers, Mr. Sistani does not deny Moula Ali(asws).

In regards to this screenshot of sistani.org then sorry I am not going to believe in it that he is saying it truly unless I do not hear it from him directly, blind taqleed is kufr.

And even if he denies it as a part of adhan face to face then also I am not going to believe in it.

For you is your aqeedah and for me is mine. 

[Ralvi]

3 hours ago, 786:) said:

You just sent lanat on Ayatollah Sistani. He does not consider it apart of adhan either. Don’t let your emotions rule.

I sent lanaat on the enemies of ahulbayt. Nice try though? 

[786:)]

@Ralvi hmm if you look at the context of the post from @Asghar Ali Karbalai In which you said “beshumar lanat”, he implied that those who question or deny the zikr of Ali (as) are deniers and enemies of Aal Muhammad (saw). So according to Ayatollah Sistani, Imam Ali (as) is not apart of the adhan. So if you follow that context, you are sending lanah on Ayatollah Sistani.

I hope that helps.

 

[786:)]

2 hours ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

I dont believe in those ullemas who deny this as a part of adhan.

I am alhamdulilah not frustrated over mentioning the merits of my beloved king my Moula Ali(asws), brother, frustrated are those whose fathers were killed as kafirs by my Moula(asws) in the battles. Those are the ruined ones.

Continuous laanah on the deniers of Aal(asws) e Mohammad(saww).

Between I am saying deniers, Mr. Sistani does not deny Moula Ali(asws).

In regards to this screenshot of sistani.org then sorry I am not going to believe in it that he is saying it truly unless I do not hear it from him directly, blind taqleed is kufr.

And even if he denies it as a part of adhan face to face then also I am not going to believe in it.

For you is your aqeedah and for me is mine. 

You are contradicting yourself. You first said, you would not believe it UNLESS you heard it directly from him. Then later you go on to say even if he tells you, you won’t believe it. So which one is it? Lol

I agree with the last part. Just keep in mind, you are responsible for any innovation you accept—especially if there is undeniable proof in front of you.

[Asghar Ali Karbalai]

11 minutes ago, 786:) said:

You are contradicting yourself. You first said, you would not believe it UNLESS you heard it directly from him. Then later you go on to say even if he tells you, you won’t believe it. So which one is it? Lol

I agree with the last part. Just keep in mind, you are responsible for any innovation you accept—especially if there is undeniable proof in front of you.

I will make my statement more clear for you respected brother.

I said I will not believe in it (the fact) that he is literally saying it untill he does not say it in front of me that is when I will believe that he is saying it, I never said I will believe in it if he says it in front of me.