Why Cheese Is Makruh ?

[Mohammadi_follower]

Salam aleykoum ,

 

I saw that on a website but i didnt have an explication about that.

Could you explain to me ?

 

Thanks for your help.

[Chaotic Muslem]

It makes you stupid

[mina]

To eat cheese is makruh when u don't eat along with walnuts.

[Bakir]

Lol CM... I have read narrations in which it is said there is no harm if you eat it at night. At day you should eat it with nuts.

[Chaotic Muslem]

Lol CM... I have read narrations in which it is said there is no harm if you eat it at night. At day you should eat it with nuts.

I am serious. I have not read that ( Or i might) but what i know that it is disliked because it affects memory negatively.

[dawudansari2]

Salam Alaikum

As you know God is very kindness and merciful, he obliged, recommended, prohibited, discouraged his servants. All of forementioned items (compulsion, recommendation, prohibition…) revolve around advantage and disadvantage.

some Ahadith  shows  that the infallibles discourage people from eating cheese , for example,  Imam Al-sadeq said ‘’  tow things are harmful dried meat and cheese’’ ‘’cheese is harmful’’.

Today in the light of of knowledge it’s proved that cheese contain a substance which lead to imbecility

[Haji 2003]

Lol CM... I have read narrations in which it is said there is no harm if you eat it at night. 

 

Don't you get nightmares if you eat cheese at night?

[UnknownShia]

Are you serious? Cheese is makroh  :mellow: ?

[Ali_Hussain]

wa 'alaykum assalam,

 

Looking through sayed Sistani's site, I can't find him saying that this is makruh, anyone have a fatwa?

 

Having a quick glance, I think that the two narrations about this in al-Kafi have some issues with their chains of narration (?).

 

2 - محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن محبوب، عن عبد العزيز العبدي قال:
قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: الجبن والجوز إذا اجتمعا في كل واحد منهما شفاء وإن افترقا كان في كل واحد منهما داء

 

2 - Muhammad bin Yayha, from Ahmad bin Muhammad, from Ibn Mahbub, from 'Abd al-'Aziz al-'Abdi, he said: Abu 'Abd Allah [a] said: Cheese and the walnut, when they are combined, their is healing in each one, and if they are separated, there is disease in each of them.

 

3 - محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن إدريس بن الحسن، عن عبيد بن زرارة، عن أبيه، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: إن الجوز والجبن إذا اجتمعا كانا دواء وإذا افترقا كانا داء

 

Muhammad bin Yayha, from Ahmad bin Muhammad, from Idriss bin al-Hasan, from 'Abid bin Zurara, from his father, from Abi 'Abd Allah [a], he said: that cheese and the walnut, when they are combined they are medicine, and when they are separated they are a disease.

 

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Edited October 30, 2015 by Ali_Hussain

[Guest]

No, no, NOOOOOOOOoo

This can't be true, what is life without the simple goodness of cheese toast??

[Chaotic Muslem]

No, no, NOOOOOOOOoo

This can't be true, what is life without the simple goodness of cheese toast??

I gave up on cheese. It is hard at the beginning but as time pass, you learn to forget about it.

[Noor al Batul]

I gave up on cheese. It is hard at the beginning but as time pass, you learn to forget about it.

No pizza, ever? Not even once in a time? :o

I don't like cheese much, anyway. Never have. Never will.

[Mohammadi_follower]

But is it well known among some scientifics that cheese is not good for health ?

[Chaotic Muslem]

No pizza, ever? Not even once in a time? :o

I don't like cheese much, anyway. Never have. Never will.

i am not into pizza, its base is huge chuck of bread. i'd rather have a shawarma over a pizza.

But is it well known among some scientifics that cheese is not good for health ?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25681666

search for mind diet

[Ruq]

Maybe theyre saying that its makruh if you cant be sure the rennet is from a halal source. You can get vegetarian cheeses though.

[Ali_Hussain]

This was in the press recently:

 

Cheese contains a chemical found in addictive drugs, scientists have found.

 

The team behind the study set out to pin-point why certain foods are more addictive than others.

 

Using the Yale Food Addiction Scale, designed to measure a person’s dependence on, scientists found that cheese is particularly potent because it contains casein. 

 

The substance, which is present in all dairy products, can trigger the brain’s opioid receptors which are linked to addiction.

 

read more:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/cheese-triggers-the-same-part-of-brain-as-hard-drugs-study-finds-a6707011.html

[apofomysback]

so I've been eating makruh all my life? 

 

i'll just pretend i didn't read this

 

heck i had a cheese omelette today :/

[Guest silasun]

Question:

Is it true that if you eat too much cheese or cheese without walnuts, it’s not good for your memory?

Answer:

Yes, eating cheese or walnuts alone is Makrooh (un-recommended).

Imam Sadiq (a.s): “Cheese and walnuts heal if they are consumed together, but cause illness if eaten separately.”

According to other Ahadeeth, it is also Mustahab (recommended) to have them at night time.

Cheese is rich with Calcium, and walnut is rich with phosphorus. Our body needs phosphorus to absorb the calcium.

Answered by: Sheikh Mansour Leghaei

 

Don't worry guys! You can be the first to have walnuts on pizza...

[hafiz]

i use it in fettuccine alfredo and lasagna. 

 

you guys dont eat mac and cheese?

 

 

i think i shud try mac, cheese and walnuts. 

 

[Ali-F]

Maybe the hadiths shouldn't be taken literally? God knows best.

[~ThePond~]

Oh. No. I love cheese  :wacko:

[AnaAmmar1]

My whole life is a lie. 

 

 

i wish i hadnt come to shiachat today :'(

[Chaotic Muslem]

This thread should be retitled : The cheese revelation lol 

[Noor al Batul]

i am not into pizza, its base is huge chuck of bread. i'd rather have a shawarma over a pizza.

 

 

That's pretty tasty, too - I will give you that ^_^ But really, cheese affects our memory negatively? That explains why my sister has such a bad memory, lol!

 

Thank God, I'm not a cheese-fan, anyway. As for those who are:

 

[Mohammadi_follower]

But why walnuts in particular ?

[mina]

Walnuts are good for the brain...so they neutralize the effect of the cheese,I guess.

Allah knows better.

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim  In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.  As salaamu alaykum  The Peace Be Upon You.

 

 

I've been eating cheese for years.  I used to buy two pound blocks of Extra Sharpe (maybe N.Y. Extra Sharpe) about once a month. Recently however, after I moved to a new area, I found that the cheese I bought would not keep well. I had the same problem with the four ounce sizes. I have seen some improvement though.  The only problem I've had with cheese, is oily skin, I suspect. But that may be caused by other oil containing foods as well.  Wassalaam.   Faithfully999

[blu115]

aside from being fatty, cheese is quite acidic.

[Sumerian]

I don't know why you people are angry. I bet half of you cut loafs of bread with a knife. Or peel off the skin of fruits that are normally eaten with their skin (apples).

Edited October 31, 2015 by The Batman

[Jaafar al-Shibli]

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْهَاشِمِيِّ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْفَضْلِ النَّيْسَابُورِيِّ عَنْ بَعْضِ رِجَالِهِ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ سَأَلَهُ رَجُلٌ عَنِ الْجُبُنِّ فَقَالَ دَاءٌ لَا دَوَاءَ فِيهِ فَلَمَّا كَانَ بِالْعَشِيِّ دَخَلَ الرَّجُلُ عَلَى أَبِي عَبْدِ الله ( عليه السلام ) فَنَظَرَ إِلَى الْجُبُنِّ عَلَى الْخِوَانِ فَقَالَ جُعِلْتُ فِدَاكَ سَأَلْتُكَ بِالْغَدَاةِ عَنِ الْجُبُنِّ فَقُلْتَ لِي إِنَّهُ هُوَ الدَّاءُ الَّذِي لَا دَوَاءَ لَهُ وَ السَّاعَةَ أَرَاهُ عَلَى الْخِوَانِ قَالَ فَقَالَ لِي هُوَ ضَارٌّ بِالْغَدَاةِ نَافِعٌ بِالْعَشِيِّ وَ يَزِيدُ فِي مَاءِ الظَّهْرِ .

 

3- Muḥammad b. Yaḥyā, from Alī b. Ibrāhīm al-Hāshimī, from his father, from Muḥammad b. al-Faḍl al-Nīsābūrī, from some of his men, from Abī ‘Abd Allāh [a.s], said: a man asked him about cheese. So he [a.s] said: 'ailment, no cure in it'. So then, when it was the evening [meal], the man entered upon Abī ‘Abd Allāh [a.s], and saw cheese on al-Khiwān (table spread for meals). So he said: may I be made your ransom, I asked you about cheese during the early mourning [lunch], so you said it is the ailment, that has no cure for it, and in this hour I see it is on your table? Said: he [a.s] said to me: 'it is harmful in the early mourning [lunch], but beneficial in the evening [meal], and it increases fluid in the back (vertebral column).

 

Source:

• al-Kulaynī, al-Kāfī, vol. 12, Book. 24, Ch. 89, N. 3, pg. 511.

Grading:

• al-Majlisī said this ḥadīth is Majhūl (unknown).
  → Mir’āt al-`Uqūl, vol. 22, pg. 173.

 

wa 'alaykum assalam,

 

Looking through sayed Sistani's site, I can't find him saying that this is makruh, anyone have a fatwa?

Having a quick glance, I think that the two narrations about this in al-Kafi have some issues with their chains of narration (?).

 

لسؤال: ما حكم الجبن؟ حيث اني سمعت في التلفاز ان اكل الجبن مكروه ؟ الجواب: يجوز اكله وقيل بكراهته الا مع الجوز.

 

Question: What is the ruling on cheese? Whereby I heard on television that eating cheese is Makrūh (disliked)? Answer: It is permissible to eat, and it was said, about its Karāhīyatih dislike(ness), except if it was with walnuts.

 

al-Sistānī's verdict: [link].

 

 

The aḥādīth concerning the matter are ḍa‘īf (weak).

Edited November 7, 2015 by Jaafar Al-Shibli

[Chaotic Muslem]

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1-  ل، ]الخصال[ عن أبيه عن سعد عن اليقطيني عن الدهقان عن درست عن عبد الحميد عن أبي الحسن الأول ع قال تسعة يورثن النسيان أكل التفاح يعني الحامض و الكزبرة و الجبن و أكل سؤر الفأر و البول في الماء الواقف و قراءة كتابة القبور و المشي بين امرأتين و إلقاء القملة و الحجامة في النقر

Edited October 31, 2015 by Jaafar Al-Shibli
Quoting the above.

[mina]

Since there are maraji' who say it's makruh to eat cheese without walnuts there are different opinions on the grading of those ahadith.

It would be interesting to know other gradings than al-Majlisis r.

[Jaafar al-Shibli]

السلام عليكم

 

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1-  ل، ]الخصال[ عن أبيه عن سعد عن اليقطيني عن الدهقان عن درست عن عبد الحميد عن أبي الحسن الأول ع قال تسعة يورثن النسيان أكل التفاح يعني الحامض و الكزبرة و الجبن و أكل سؤر الفأر و البول في الماء الواقف و قراءة كتابة القبور و المشي بين امرأتين و إلقاء القملة و الحجامة في النقر

 

The only unfortunate deficiency in the chain of the narrative (see: al-Sadūq's al-Khisāl, pg. 422) is the Taḍ‘īf (weakening) of ‘Ubayd Allāh b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Dahqān al-Wāṣiṭī, weakend by al-Najāshī (see: al-Najāshī, al-Rijāl, pg. 231, person. 614), which is later acknowledged by al-Khū’ī (see: al-Jawāhirī's al Mufīd, pg. 364, person. 7494). Hence, the ḥadīth would be classed ḍa‘īf (weak). However, reconciliation is possible. If you revise the chapter on cheese in al-Kāfī, the Imams [a.s] themselves had no problem with consuming it during specific times (e.i., later evening lunch). Thus it can been assumed walnuts were already served with/on cheese, and ailment is possible outside those conditions implied by these narrations.

 

Since there are maraji' who say it's makruh to eat cheese without walnuts there are different opinions on the grading of those ahadith.
It would be interesting to know other gradings than al-Majlisis r.

 

The aḥādīth concerning the matter are ḍa‘īf (weak) per Shīʿah standards. Karāh‘īyah [dislike(ness)] does necessarily require explicit evidence, however some scholars vary in their standards of ḥadīth, some are more lenient than others.

 

Wa `al-salam 

Edited October 31, 2015 by Jaafar Al-Shibli

[ultra]

At first I thought it was chess

I'm in shock :O

Edited November 3, 2015 by ultra

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim  In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful.  As salaamu alaykum  The Peace Be Upon You.  

I should have mentioned that there are halal cheese's. That, is all that I buy. Most Supermarkets (in Florida, anyway) carry them, stored in the cooler case's. Walmart also carries them.  Wassalaam.  Faithfully999