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As Salaamu Alaykum
 
I wrote this document entitled: SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTION that exposes the Shia sectarian school of thought.  You have the choice to download the document in English or Arabic.  I guarantee you that the greatest Shia scholars, shaykhs, muftis, ulama cannot meet these questions head on. 
To download either click on the link or copy and paste the link in a browser.
 
SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTIONS (English)
https://app.box.com/s/ycavzcgbbwvp4ke7xrqzrlxsb6e543yi
 
SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTIONS (Arabic)
https://app.box.com/s/b42mddiog507syphrrm30jf3015fm5rx
 
Salaam,
 
Al Khidr

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On Page 23 you say that every prophet has been black. Lol. Then you refer to Qur'an which in your translation says "black mud". You are probably a Qur'anist because not even Sunnis believe this.

 

You only refer to Qur'an. Muslims must follow two, one is incomplete without the other. Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt.

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I CHALLENGE THE SHI'ITE SECT TO PRODUCE A VERSE IN THE QUR'AAN WHERE Allah MENTIONS YOUR HADIYTH WRITTERS BY NAME?

 

Dude... do you even know what hadeeth is and how it works?

 

11B. PROVE IN THE QUR'AAN THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD USED THE HADIYTH TO JUDGE, RULE, LEGISTLATE OVER US?

 

Nope I guess not.

 

1B. PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN THE QUR'AAN WHERE Allah MENTIONS ANY ONE OF YOUR IMAMS BY NAME?

 

There are 124k Prophets but only a few mentioned. Who said that every name must be mentioned.

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[MOD NOTE: WARNING! DO NOT DOWNLOAD anything that can harm your device.]

As Salaamu Alaykum

 

I wrote this document entitled: SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTION that exposes the Shia sectarian school of thought.  You have the choice to download the document in English or Arabic.  I guarantee you that the greatest Shia scholars, shaykhs, muftis, ulama cannot meet these questions head on. To download either click on the link or copy and paste the link in a browser.

 SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTIONS (English)https://app.box.com/s/ycavzcgbbwvp4ke7xrqzrlxsb6e543yi

 SHIA CHALLENGING QUESTIONS (Arabic)https://app.box.com/s/b42mddiog507syphrrm30jf3015fm5rx

 Salaam,

 Al Khidr

I think I know who this is from the Qur'anist forum, I don't know. Seems familiar to me.

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I have compiled a list of CHALLENGING QUESTIONS that the Shi'ite Ulama cannot answer or meet head on. For those Muslims who are sincerely seeking truth, one thing that you will notice about these sects in Islaam: (Sunni, Shi’ite, Ahmadiyya, Madhab Hanafi, Wahhabi, Sufi, Salafi, Tajani, Baha'i, Muhammadiyah, Nahdatul Ulamah) is that they will try to BUCK DANCE or SHUFFLE their way out of proving their arguments or school of thought in the Qur'aan which they cannot do. In True Islaam we have to prove our arguments in the Qur'aan and there is no way of escaping this!!!!

Apparently, you are not even a sunni, who are you?

 

Off topic: Is Baha'i regarded as a Islamic sect?

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1B. PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN THE QUR'AAN WHERE Allah MENTIONS ANY ONE OF YOUR IMAMS BY NAME?

 

as salamu alaykum, al khidr,

 

this is abu Muhammad,

 

every basamallhi has the name of Muhammad and ali asj. Muhammad sawa is the rahmat of Allah dat ul dat to all the people of the 100 trillion star systems in milkway, plus clusteres, plus spirals, plus the vast 300 million multiverse, and the many plans some that intersect this reality, and those that don't. imam ali as is the rahimat or special mercy, he is the disgunisher mentioned in Tariq 13.

 

also although some anabiya were black others where Chinese (you find a story almost like buddas in naim of saduq)  arab isarli etc. they are not all black, black nationalist please stop trying to make everyone black, you are killing the efforts to teach the depreived black americans real black history

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As Salaamu Alaykum To All

 

I noticed that that moderated highlighted in red above my post stating "WARNING! DO NOT DOWNLOAD anything that can harm your device" I WANT TO ENSURE EVERY ONE IN HERE THAT THE LINKS AND THE UPLOAD OR CLOWD IS 100% SAFE.  When you click on the link, you will be taken to a professional site and you can again safety download the pdf documents.

 

I also got a chance to read the comments in this post and I noticed thus far no one has been able to answer any of the CHALLENGING QUESTIONS that I brought forth.  I see people only responding back with EMPTY STATEMENTS, OPINIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, QUESTIONS but no direct answers/evidence in Al Qur'aan to refute any of my CHALLENGING QUESTIONS TO THE SHIA SCHOOL OF THOUGHT. 

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On Page 23 you say that every prophet has been black. Lol. Then you refer to Qur'an which in your translation says "black mud". You are probably a Qur'anist because not even Sunnis believe this.

 

You only refer to Qur'an. Muslims must follow two, one is incomplete without the other. Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt.

 

Salaam Sayed

 

You got to me kidding when you indicated that Sunni Muslims do not believe HAMAA in Qur'aan 15:26 & 28 means BLACK.  In addition to this, your response shows your lack of knowledge of basic Arabic.  It is common knowledge that HAMAA in those verses means BLACK.  Let me give you a reference from Lane Lexicon to prove to you that HAMAA means BLACK:

 

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Hamaa as you can see means BLACK.  Salsal means MUD or CLAY.  Allah tells us in Qur'aan 15:26 that He created the original human race from BLACK MUD and in Qur'aan 15:28 Allah tells us that He created the original man (Adam) from BLACK MUD.  There are a lot of English translations of the Qur'aan that has accurately translated this verse so I do not know what you are talking about or perhaps its you who is struggling with this deep down inside because you cannot accept the fact that your origins is from Africa.  I also tied these verses with Qur'aan 3:33-34 where Allah says that Adam and his descendants belong to the SAME PROGENY which means they are all from the same race, bloodline, lineage which makes them all Black and not White or any other race.  I went into details about this in my document, all you have to do is read it with an open mind but when we are dealing with the facts from the Qur'aan without the man-made innovations this is something you cannot reckon with.

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Apparently, you are not even a sunni, who are you?

 

Off topic: Is Baha'i regarded as a Islamic sect?

 

John Algar

 

To respond to your question, I am not a Sunni Muslim.  I'm not a part of any of these sects: Sunni, Salafi, Wahhabi, Sufi, Hanif Madhab, Ahmadiyya, just to name a few which are not mentioned in the Qur'aan, they were created after the death of Prophet Muhammad.  I am the type of Muslim that is described in the Qur'aan 2:2-4.  I believe in the 5 Pillars of Faith, 6 Articles of Iman.  To make things simple, I am a Muslim that seeks to follow and practice Pure Islaam which emanates from the Qur'aan alone which also means that I reject all these false sect schools of thought which are infested with bida (man-made innovations).

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Salaam Sayed

 

You got to me kidding when you indicated that Sunni Muslims do not believe HAMAA in Qur'aan 15:26 & 28 means BLACK.  In addition to this, your response shows your lack of knowledge of basic Arabic.  It is common knowledge that HAMAA in those verses means BLACK.  Let me give you a reference from Lane Lexicon to prove to you that HAMAA means BLACK:

 

Lane%20Lexicon.jpg?t=1445730952

 

Hamaa as you can see means BLACK.  Salsal means MUD or CLAY.  Allah tells us in Qur'aan 15:26 that He created the original human race from BLACK MUD and in Qur'aan 15:28 Allah tells us that He created the original man (Adam) from BLACK MUD.  There are a lot of English translations of the Qur'aan that has accurately translated this verse so I do not know what you are talking about or perhaps its you who is struggling with this deep down inside because you cannot accept the fact that your origins is from Africa.  I also tied these verses with Qur'aan 3:33-34 where Allah says that Adam and his descendants belong to the SAME PROGENY which means they are all from the same race, bloodline, lineage which makes them all Black and not White or any other race.  I went into details about this in my document, all you have to do is read it with an open mind but when we are dealing with the facts from the Qur'aan without the man-made innovations this is something you cannot reckon with.

Has resonance of Nation of Islam, So much wrong with this post i really dont know where to start. However a simple example for the simple minded.

 

Have you ever seen am egg from a Hen it can be brown or white. When the chick is born its yellow and when it grows it has many colors and shades. 

It doesnt matter what colour a Prophet is . He is a prophet and Allah has said he has sent prophets to all nations.

 

Allah has also said He has created as nations and tribes so that we may know each other better (paraphrasing and I hope its a verse and not a hadith)

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Allah tells us in Qur'aan 15:26 that He created the original human race from BLACK MUD and in Qur'aan 15:28 Allah tells us that He created the original man (Adam) from BLACK MUD. There are a lot of English translations of the Qur'aan that has accurately translated this verse so I do not know what you are talking about or perhaps its you who is struggling with this deep down inside because you cannot accept the fact that your origins is from Africa. I also tied these verses with Qur'aan 3:33-34 where Allah says that Adam and his descendants belong to the SAME PROGENY which means they are all from the same race, bloodline, lineage which makes them all Black and not White or any other race.

We all descended from Adam (as). By this reasoning we are all black. I'm OK with that. Are you?

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A True Sunni

 

I read your post, but you have responded blindly and why do I say that, it is because you are not considering the proper context of my post addressing Hamaa in Qur'aan 15:26 & 28.  You see I'm responding to another post by this guy: Sayed or Repentant who is in total denial about the fact that Allah created the original race and man from Black Mud.  I also would advise you to download my document because I also addressed the false pictures the Shia sect or ulama has created about Ali and the 12 Imams portraying them as white men, which is totally impossible.  I am dealing with racism in Islaam long before you and I was born.  So The True Sunni don't sit here and say to me it does not matter what color the Prophets are like that was my point.  That was not my point at all and you know this, I'm just exposing the racism and lies in Islaam perpetrated by racist Muslims but what you should have done was go back to your Sunni sect and tell them that it does not matter what color the Prophets are since they have created false hadiyths stating the Prophet Muhammad is a white man which would be impossible.

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We all descended from Adam (as). By this reasoning we are all black. I'm OK with that. Are you?

 

Yes we are descendant from Prophet Adam which will make us all Black.  I am in agreement with you.

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Pick the most "challenging one" and inshallah we will discuss it.

 

StrugglingForTheLight

 

You have said "Pick the most challenging one".  In my document, all of them are Challenging questions that I know you cannot meet any of them head on but let me pick one of them for you so we all can see you buck dance and shuffle your way out of answering it with evidence in the Qur'aan.  Lets see you answer this challenging question below with evidence in the Qur'aan???:

 

THE SHI'ITE MYTH 3:

The Shi'ite and the Sunni sect both have fabricated two separate sets of hadiyth that they teach are authentic.  Below is the list of the Shi'ite and Sunni set of hadiyth:

 

Shi’ite accept:

Kafi of Abu Ja'fa Muhammad

Man la Yastuhdirahul Fiqah of Shaikh Ali

Tahdhib of Shaikh abu Jafar Muhammad

Najhu’l Balaghah of Sayyid Radi

 

Sunni accept:

Muwatta of Malik ibn Ans

Jamu’us Sahih of Bukhari

Sahih of Muslim

Sunan of Abu Daoud Sulaiman

Jami of Tirmidhi

Kitabus Sunan of Muhammad ibn Yazid ibn Majah of Qazwani

 

How could this be when Prophet Muhammad was ONE man.  How could one man have two separate, conflicting sets of hadiyth????  This right here let you know that there is a game that is being played on the Mumineen (The Believers) and those who are sincerely seeking truth by the Shi'ite and Sunni Ulama. The Shi'ite rejects the Sunni hadiyth as authentic and the Sunni rejects the Shi'ite hadiyth as authentic.  In due time by the will of Allah Ta'ala the Shi'ite and Sunni sect will realize that both of their schools of thought are false and unfounded in the Holy Qur'aan.

 

3A.  SINCE THE SHI'ITE SECT BELIEVES THAT THEIR SET OF HADIYTH ARE AUTHENTIC THEN I CHALLENGE YOU TO PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN THE QUR'AAN WHERE Allah USES THE WORD HADIYTH ÿ AND SAY ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

 

(1) We are suppose to believe in hadiyth or

 

(2) We are suppose to follow hadiyth or

 

(3) We will get guidance from hadiyth or

 

(4) Hadiyth was revealed or sent down (nazzala) to   Muhammad or

 

(5) Hadiyth is the sunna of Muhammad

 

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Salam

 

 

There are some verses that show the need of hadiths.

 

1) We are told obey the Ulil-Amr - context, it's with flow with a people compared to the family of Ibrahim, the great authority of the family of Ibrahim is emphasized with benefit to those who believed in it, and hell fire for those who turned away from it. In this connection, there is emphasis to disbelieve in Ayatallah resulting in hell, and those who believe being in paradise. Then right after a reminder of judging and ruling between people by justice - we are told to obey God and obey the Messenger and those possess the authority from us. The emphasis on obedience to God is to emphasize that the great authority of the family of Ibrahim was obedience to God, who obeyed them obeyed God. Now the context clearly shows they are divinely appointed authorities. As for the contention they should be said to be referred for disputes, I've replied to that here: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235033096-the-case-for-ulil-amr/. We need hadiths to designate who these leaders exactly are.

 

2) The Quran talks about chosen families of Ibrahim, Nuh, Imran, Musa and Harun, and emphasizes that the wage of the message is to love al-Qurba. Upon sincere reflection and flow with respect to rest of Quran, it is known that al-Qurba are his chosen near kin, and not everyone related to him by blood, and so we need hadiths to explain who they are.

 

3) Quran talks about a certain message that had to be revealed by Mohammad or else he would not have conveyed the message. That message could only be known through hadiths, exactly, what was stated can only be known through hadiths. The interpretation that it means something like "jump, if you didn't jump, then you didn't jump" goes against all eloquence expected from the lord of the worlds to make such a meaningless statement. "covey what you have been revealed if you haven't, then you didn't convey the message" doesn't make sense to be referred to such a phrase, but rather is about a specific thing revealed to Mohammad (saw). This is perhaps saying although the wilayah of Ahlulbayt (as) is clear to the sincere in Quran, and Salah, and many of your hadiths, you have to convey it in a way that the masses will convey a message tot he masses, generation to generation, and that while there is room for denial so that the masses who deny the true meaning will convey it, the true meaning will be known as well as no doubt to the incident.  The emphasis that God doesn't guide the disbelieving people suggests people who disbelieve in clear proofs as opposed to believing in his ayat and submitting to them, will not accept this message.

 

4) Harun was emphasized to be more better in speech and at better at conveying or more eloquent, this was all to emphasize that bani-israel were to be taught knowledge of a higher kind that needed a certain type of tongue, aside from the revelation of God which is God's tongue that doesn't need any person to be more "better or more eloquent in speech". Likewise the Quran emphasized on this for a reason repeatedly, because, the Quran is to be complimented by eloquent tongues. Suratal alam nashrah..has a similar structure to Musa's prayer answered in suratal Taha and also goes well wtih Musa being the highest in the people's eyes at a certain point. It seems to compliment Suratal Taha and allude to it by structure, that his remembrance/mention has been raised as well. This alludes to someone in the position of Harun to Musa, to him, except in Prophethood which we know Quran says Mohammad is the seal of.

 

5) Salah was done with Mohammad during his lifetime, in groups, with one structure. We cannot know this structure except through the hadiths. This includes the wisdom of having Salawat in Salah, and including the family of Mohammad in that remembrance. Without that, the connection is incomplete, because we aren't recognizing the successors of Mohammad along side his position as Messenger. Although the wisdom of Quran shows why Salawat upon the family of Mohammad occurs in Salah, it would not be automatically known to the masses without the help of hadiths. The other dimensions of Salah while have a wisdom in Quran also cannot be known to masses without hadiths.

 

 

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Yes we are descendant from Prophet Adam which will make us all Black.  I am in agreement with you.

 

So if we are all black, saying that all the prophets were black is meaningless.  It only says they are descended from Adam (as).

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So if we are all black, saying that all the prophets were black is meaningless.  It only says they are descended from Adam (as).

 

Notme

 

You need to look at the post the and comment that I was responding to about this subject.  The person again who I was responding to indicated that Hamma does not mean Black, when it clearly does.  Second, the Shia sect has fabricated false images of Ali and the 12 Imams as European or White people.  I would advise you to read my document where I have addressed this issue.   When I was agreeing with you about all people who are descendants of Adam and are Black since this is their origin, I was not talking about in the sense that Chinese people can be considered Black who are descendants of Adam vs. the original Black race such as Adam and the Prophets.  All the Prophets on earth were on race and not of different races.  Their bloodline was pure, undiluted, they belonged to the same progeny as the Qur'aan states.  I believe you are intelligent enough to know the difference and between being original Black and descendant of the Black race.

 

Now I have a question for you, the Shia sect fabricated images of Ali and the 12 imams as white people and I want to know if you believe this was the correct image, race of Ali and the 12 Imams?  I hope you are not the type of person that expects all people to keep their mouths quiet about this form of racism in Islaam.

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