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What The Hell Did Muawiyyah Mean?

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I think she meant:

In what way could it ever be meant to let the Quran be the judge. Maybe it was the way Arabs expressed things in that time I don't know but I can't understand how someone can claim to respect Quran by torning it apart and put its pages on the spears of his soldiers.


what do u expect from someone like muawiya?

 

 

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Basically imam Ali (as) and his army were killing muawiyas men, muawiya told his men to put the Quran on their spears to fool imam Alis men.

 

Unfortunately, the deceitful strategy of Muaviyah (lt) had an impact on Imam Ali (as)  soldiers, because they did fall into Muaviayah (lt) trap, Even though Imam Ali (as) had said don't be fooled by  Muaviyah (lt) deceitful plan.

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When he put Quran pages on the spears of his soldiers?

 

 

It was NOT Muawiyyah RA but Khuwarij who put the Quran pages on the spares.

 

Wikipedia:

In the Battle of Siffin, Ali acceded to Muawiyah's suggestion to stop the fighting and resort to negotiation. A large portion of Ali's troops (who later became the first Kharijites) refused to concede to that agreement, and they considered that Ali had breached a Qur'anic verse which states that The decision is only for Allah (Qur'an 6:57), which the Kharijites interpreted to mean that the outcome of a conflict can only be decided in battle (by God) and not in negotiations (by human beings).

 

Assassination attempts

Among the surviving Kharijites, three of them gathered in Mecca to plot a tripartite assassination attempt on Muʿāwiyah ibn ʾAbī Sufyān, 'Amr ibn al-'As and Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib. The assassination attempts were to occur simultaneously as the three leaders came to lead the morning prayer (Faj'r) in their respective cities of Damascus, Fustat and Kufa. The method was to come out of the prayer ranks and strike the targets with a sword dipped in poison.[9]

Muawiya escaped the assassination attempt with only minor injuries. While Amr was sick and the deputy leading the prayers in his stead was martyred. However, the strike on Ali by the assassin, Abdur-Rahmaan ibn-Muljim, proved to be a fatal one. Ali was gravely injured with a head wound and succumbed to his injuries a few days later.

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But isn't it blasphemous by itself to torn the Quran apart and put its pages on spears?

Well it depends on who does it. If some ordinary folk does it then it's blasphemous. But if a Sahabi does it or orders it then.... I guess it's a different story.

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It was NOT Muawiyyah RA but Khuwarij who put the Quran pages on the spares.

Wikipedia:

In the Battle of Siffin, Ali acceded to Muawiyah's suggestion to stop the fighting and resort to negotiation. A large portion of Ali's troops (who later became the first Kharijites) refused to concede to that agreement, and they considered that Ali had breached a Qur'anic verse which states that The decision is only for Allah (Qur'an 6:57), which the Kharijites interpreted to mean that the outcome of a conflict can only be decided in battle (by God) and not in negotiations (by human beings).

Assassination attempts

Among the surviving Kharijites, three of them gathered in Mecca to plot a tripartite assassination attempt on Muʿāwiyah ibn ʾAbī Sufyān, 'Amr ibn al-'As and Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib. The assassination attempts were to occur simultaneously as the three leaders came to lead the morning prayer (Faj'r) in their respective cities of Damascus, Fustat and Kufa. The method was to come out of the prayer ranks and strike the targets with a sword dipped in poison.[9]

Muawiya escaped the assassination attempt with only minor injuries. While Amr was sick and the deputy leading the prayers in his stead was martyred. However, the strike on Ali by the assassin, Abdur-Rahmaan ibn-Muljim, proved to be a fatal one. Ali was gravely injured with a head wound and succumbed to his injuries a few days later.

Where does it say from your "proof" you just posted from Wikipedia that it was the khwarij that placed the pages of the quran on the spears?

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Where does it say from your "proof" you just posted from Wikipedia that it was the khwarij that placed the pages of the quran on the spears?

 

Those were Khuwarij who said that it is Quran that will decide among us.

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From the same link of wikipedia (battle of Siffin) it is quite obvious that Mawiya ordered to tie the quran to spears.

 

"Then, Nasr b Muzahim says people looked at Muawiya who said "He is right, by the Lord. If we meet tomorrow the Byzantines will attack our women and children and the people of Persia will attack the women and children of Iraq. Those with forebearance and intelligence see this. Tie the copies of the Quran to the ends of the spears." So the fighting stopped.[26]"

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