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Nakshawani Admits That He Has Done Sword-Tatbir

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You would have better reviews from some of the posters above if you posted about a Sufi speaker giving a lecture about how to fake akhlaq instead. 

 

What does this even mean?

 

Who is Sufi?

 

Who is teaching about how to fake akhlaq?

 

What world does Al-Afasy live in, seriously?

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What does this even mean?

 

Who is Sufi?

 

Who is teaching about how to fake akhlaq?

 

What world does Al-Afasy live in, seriously?

 

There are no Sufis in the world, just idiots defending them.

No one's trying to teach fake akhlaq, because they didn't have any in the first place. 

I've been outside of my mother's basement, maybe you should give it a try some day. 

The problem lies further than al-Englisi or Ali_Hussain having inclinations to listening to deviant Sufi speakers (and then be surprised when they're not how they imaged) or an inferiority complex, my comment was more general than that. 

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No one's trying to teach fake akhlaq, because they didn't have any in the first place. 

I've been outside of my mother's basement, maybe you should give it a try some day. 

 

Yes as you have shown countless times on shiachat, you are the exemplar of akhlaq, innit.

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Yes as you have shown countless times on shiachat, you are the exemplar of akhlaq, innit.

You're not one to defend yourself after 2 comments are you?

It's my fault for using vocabulary you might not have understood. Maybe next time. 

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^ I don't even know what you're talking about, dude. You make no sense.

 

Also, who are you to tell me about mother's basements? Firstly, I'm older than you. Secondly, you don't even know me. Thirdly, how is that even relevant? 

 

 

 

Most of the things you say make no sense or are cryptic. 

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Salam

I haven't watched the video but the last two or three years I've found the brother Ammar became much more of an extreme shii preacher, while he was more of a sunni friendly in the past...

He came to our area a while back and my cousin invited him to dinner and when he showed up he came with bodyguards when he asked him what's up with the bodyguards he told us that back in London they burned his house and I think his car too if I recall correctly. And he gets a lot of death threats. So maybe that has something to do with it.
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Salam,

I may not have used the right words.

He has become somehow arrogant as has been put, but he also become much more sectarian than in the past, one should at least admit that.

Openly criticizing sunni symbols, dedicating whole ramadhan lectures series -that's 30 hours- to Imam Ali, or Imam Mahdi (AS) and barely speaking of our Prophet (SAWAS), praising the Shirazis and other stuff of his made me feel less and less inspired by his speeches.

At first he was using sabr to debunk misonceptions about shiism (by sunnis AND shiis), now he is much more openly critical of sunnis and 100% hardcore shii. That's the word I should have used I guess.

May Allah and the ones I offended forgive me.

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Salaam.

It is not right to call him arrogant. The hadith narrated from the prophet says that the sin of backbiting is to mention your brother in a way that he would detest. God will consider that insult greatly, whilst mentioning something like him being arrogant has no basis and is seemingly based on accusation without evidence. God forbid if we were to be treated as backbiters for insulting Shia speakers.

To criticise constructively is different and that isn't something that anybody, including almost certainly the Sayed, is against. What you have said however is simply a baseless insult

He is not a fasiq and he does not promote sinful behaviour (though I disagree strongly with his speaking well of tatbir as I am follower of Ayatollah Khamenei). He has helped many deviated youth and grown adults begin following true Islamic teachings. He does not promote Shia vs Shia hatred.

I also attach a screenshot as food for thought.

Also, I do not like how you talk about the "shirazis". As mumineen, we are against what the likes of Mujtaba Shirazi stanx. But who can deny the scholarly success of many members of Sayed Muhammed Shirazi's family, though we disagree with certain actions by some of them. It is wrong to blacklist people becauss they are "shirazis". (No matter how pious a follower of sayed shirazi is, some people will still hate him because they chose him as marja). this is something that has no basis in religion and only causes enemies of Ahlulbayt to grow stronger.

Wa salaam

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Salaam, 

You guys have to understand that even Dr. Nakshawani knows about Taqiyyah and how extreme "Shias" can be against those who disagree or have different views, thus he may change what he says. If you have followed him for the past few years, you'll see how he changes his stances, and in private, he sometimes says something to the contrary. I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with him at this time, because I don't think people care, to be honest. I just want you guys to understand that he also knows about how many of you act towards him. 

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Salam,

I may not have used the right words.

He has become somehow arrogant as has been put, but he also become much more sectarian than in the past, one should at least admit that.

Openly criticizing sunni symbols, dedicating whole ramadhan lectures series -that's 30 hours- to Imam Ali, or Imam Mahdi (AS) and barely speaking of our Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã, praising the Shirazis and other stuff of his made me feel less and less inspired by his speeches.

At first he was using sabr to debunk misonceptions about shiism (by sunnis AND shiis), now he is much more openly critical of sunnis and 100% hardcore shii. That's the word I should have used I guess.

May Allah and the ones I offended forgive me.

Well, I won't say he has become arrogant....but, yes....this man's style has changed. He has become more aggressive in his lectures towards sunnis.

But then, he also has respect for other schools and their beliefs even though he doesn't agree with them. He's trying to preach truth.

Forget other schools even about tatbir, he doesn't agree with this act, but he respects those who perform tatbir.

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Personally, when I said arrogant, I spoke about his tone when speaking about certain controversial topics. I didnt imply he is an arrogant individual.

Salam,

Same here. He is just hyper self confident due to his weight in the islamic landscape.

That does not mean hr is arrogant towards Allah because that would be a great accusation.

Salaam.

It is not right to call him arrogant. The hadith narrated from the prophet says that the sin of backbiting is to mention your brother in a way that he would detest. God will consider that insult greatly, whilst mentioning something like him being arrogant has no basis and is seemingly based on accusation without evidence. God forbid if we were to be treated as backbiters for insulting Shia speakers.

To criticise constructively is different and that isn't something that anybody, including almost certainly the Sayed, is against. What you have said however is simply a baseless insult

He is not a fasiq and he does not promote sinful behaviour (though I disagree strongly with his speaking well of tatbir as I am follower of Ayatollah Khamenei). He has helped many deviated youth and grown adults begin following true Islamic teachings. He does not promote Shia vs Shia hatred.

I also attach a screenshot as food for thought.

Also, I do not like how you talk about the "shirazis". As mumineen, we are against what the likes of Mujtaba Shirazi stanx. But who can deny the scholarly success of many members of Sayed Muhammed Shirazi's family, though we disagree with certain actions by some of them. It is wrong to blacklist people becauss they are "shirazis". (No matter how pious a follower of sayed shirazi is, some people will still hate him because they chose him as marja). this is something that has no basis in religion and only causes enemies of Ahlulbayt to grow stronger.

Wa salaam

Again, a bad wording from me. By "Shirazis" I meant the ones that recently gave bad reputation to their Name.

Anyway I will not go further in the discussion because it seems these days my tongue is playing against me.

I was expressing a general feeling I have had while listening to his lecture, and sometimes it is hard to put words on feelings without being misunderstood.

Apologies again.

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Dear OP

I'm not a worshipper of Nakshwani but the title of this thread is sort of Fox News or Sky Network like. Kind of catchy and twisty!

Other than Allah swt, every thing else is transient, changing, liquid.

Nakshwani is a speaker, not an alim, he still has a lot to learn same as the rest of us do, and he changes and will change his views and stances as time goes. Some views are also shaped by environment we live in, so you may see that he may preach some thing now, oppose it two years down the road, and then preach it again the third year and so on.

Just give the guy some break. The best utility I've found of Nakshwani is that he has brought the Ashura Night basketball playing youth back to the mosque halls, and I admire him for that. Once at Nakshwani, these kids can graduate to Hilli or Sodagar as they mature and outgrow Nakshwani.

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Br. Hayder, I do not see why you feel the need to criticise Sh. Hill- the brother has done a lot of excellent work for the community in England for many years. I have not heard him doing anything that puts the faith into disrepute. Even if you might not feel his style suits you (everyone has different tastes and goals), I don't think it is useful to open discussions to completely shoot down a scholar.

By the way I should also clarify my first post on the page... the Sayed doesn't really praise tatbir but he just says he used to do it.

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