Iran Nuclear Deal: Historic Agreement In Vienna

[Ibn al-Hussain]

(salam)

 

Agreement to end 12-year standoff over Iran’s nuclear programme expected to be unveiled imminently in Vienna.

 

Follow the latest developments live: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-talks-deal-historic-vienna-live-updates

 

Zarif hails win-win deal

 

Zarif describes the agreement as a “win-win” solution but not perfect. He says the deal would open new horizons for dealing with serious problems that affect our international community. He added: “I believe this is a historic moment. We are reaching an agreement that is not perfect for anybody but is what we could accomplish. Today could have been the end of hope, but now we are starting a new chapter of hope.”

 

Mogharini said the agreements would “open the way to a new chapter in international relations” and show that diplomacy can overcome decades of tension. “This is a sign of hope for the entire world,” she said.

 

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"With this deal, Iran will become the first country in the history of the United Nations to exit Chapter 7 sanctions through diplomacy rather than war." 

 

BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-33509809

 

 

 

Wasslam

Edited July 14, 2015 by Ibn al-Hussain

[sayedzeeshan]

Good news. Congratulations are in order.

[repenter-gone4awhile]

When imam Ali's own shia put a sword on his throat and told Malik to retreat the entire Muslim Ummah cheered that today a good deal was made. 1400 years later we sit in a corner and cry that our Shia forced the hand of Imam into a deal he did not want to make.

Now a muslim nation is making a deal that shouldn't be there in the first place, and people are cheering instead of realizing that if Ulama actually had any guts, Rahbar would never agree to even speaking to these offsprings of muawiya. May Allah withold his mercy from the traitors. It almost feels like 598 all over again.

Imam Khomeini:

به مناسبت روز جهانی قدس اقشاری از مردم با امام خمینی دیدار کردند. امام خمینی در سخنانی به حاضران فرمودند: «... من از ملت ها و دولت هایی که در این ندای اسلامی با ما موافقت کردند و لبیک به ندای اسلام دادند، تشکر می کنم... روز قدس یک روز اسلامی است... امیدوارم که این امر مقدمه باشد برای یک «حزب مستضعفین»... ما از جمع مستضعفین عالم دعوت می کنیم که با هم در «حزب مستضعفین» وارد بشوند و مشکلات خودشان را با دست جمع و اراده مصمم عمومی رفع کنند». امام ضمن اظهار تأسف از کوتاهی دولت های عرب در برابر اسرائیل، آن را اشتباهی از سوی اعراب دانستند. امام در ادامه بحث فرمودند: «... و اما اشتباهی که ما کردیم این بود که به طور انقلابی عمل نکردیم... اگر ما از اول... انقلابی عمل کرده بودیم، قلم تمام مطبوعات را شکسته بودیم و ... رؤسای آنها را به محاکمه کشیده بودیم و چوبه های دار را در میدان های بزرگ برپا کرده بودیم... این زحمت ها پیش نمی آمد... دولت ما انقلابی نیست، ارتش ما انقلابی نیستند،... من هم انقلابی نیستم. اگر ما انقلابی بودیم، اجازه نمی دادیم اینها اظهار وجود کنند. تمام احزاب را ممنوع اعلام می کردیم... من توبه می کنم از این اشتباهی که کردم، و من اعلام می کنم به این قشرهای فاسد در سر تا سر ایران که اگر سر جای خود ننشینند، ما به طور انقلابی با آنها عمل می کنیم». امام در سخنان شدیداللحنی از دولت و ا

Rough translation from part of the speech:

But the mistake we made was that we(scholars and leaders of the revolution) did not act revolutionary, if we from the beginning had acted revolutionary, if we had broken the pens of corrupt press, if we had prosecuted their leaders, and if we had risen the gallows in the streets, we wouldn't have all these problems today(reffering to munafeqeen, liberals, communists, corrupt parties etc). Our government is not revolutionary, our military is not revolutionary, i am not revolutionary either. If we were revolutionary, we wouldn't allow these groups and people to grow. If we were revolutionary we would declare all parties illegal. I regret(tawbah) that i made this mistake, i declare to these corrupt parties that if they don't sit down in their place, we will act revolutionary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4-8NmWLSkM

[mina]

'Former UN weapons inspectors Scott Ritter, who had warned that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction in the runup to the Iraq war, says Iran has been right to resist “no notice” inspections.

Writing in the London Review of Books he says:

“Iran has been put in the impossible position of having to prove a negative. If it accepts inspections based on allegations it knows to be baseless, then it’s opening itself up to an endless cycle of foreign intrusion into its military and security infrastructure, and the inability of inspectors to discover something of relevance will only reinforce the belief that something is being hidden. We saw this happen before in Iraq, and the end result was a war based on flawed intelligence and baseless accusations that left many thousands dead and a region in turmoil.”'

Wise man.

[mina]

It would be good if one of the set conditions was that all countries should destroy their nuclear weapons and bombs...that would be a real 'start of a new hope era'.

[Ethics]

^^except it is a tragic and sad reality and impossible, because some may hide some or make some even then :(

[Zendegi]

1. Khodaro shokr
Deal finally reached!
Most important thing is Iran is first country in UN history to have UNSC resolutions lifted without warfare.
May it bring good things for the people of Iran

And guess who is the most pissed off countries in the world right now
Israel and Saudi Arabia. Well they can go to hell, who cares!

 

 

 

2. http://lenziran.com/2015/07/12/engli...ostage-taking/

Lol. What the hell is is wrong with these people?
 

Clearly IRGC doesn't want any change, let alone a rapprochement or agreement

You can be sure if there is an agreement, the first people to be hit are the IRGC who made fortunes in smuggling goods and whatnot. Not to mention all the commissions off gov't contracts in the vacuum of foreign companies.

So one would like to see an agreement arrived at, but the problem is if an agreement is reached and the money is released, nearly NONE of it will be spent inside Iran, none for any infrastructure or industry. Almost entirely will be sent to Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, ... etc.

So it's not good either case, if an agreement is reached or not reached!!!

 

3. I guess Kerry and Zarif knew all the scenarios involving the congress before they went ahead with this negotiating process, I believe they knew what they were doing.

 

There is some politics involved that mimic eachother:

Obama/Rouhani with Kerry/Zarif pushing for a deal.

vs

Republicans in US/Hardliners in Iran criticising a deal.

I am not surprised that these different signals are somehow coordinated. Republcians must "seemingly" not upset Israel and Saudi Arabia while IR must "seemingly" not upset hardliners...

So the whole thing is to keep the balance. who knows what really is being discussed behind the closed doors!
Be sure when Kerry and Zarif are alone, they discuss much more other things than the deal, which is used as a tool for a probable re-alliance!

Again interesting development

Edited July 14, 2015 by Zendegi

[Ethics]

^^What is brother? The deal? I dont know what to think to be honest. I am both happy and sad. Happy that it may help the people, sad that they must be subjected to an unjust agreement in the first place... Do you not feel like, in these times now, they need economic growth? I feel like no matter what happens, Allah swt is behind them. I dunno..

[repenter-gone4awhile]

^^What is brother? The deal? I dont know what to think to be honest. I am both happy and sad. Happy that it may help the people, sad that they must be subjected to an unjust agreement in the first place... Do you not feel like, in these times now, they need economic growth? I feel like no matter what happens, Allah swt is behind them. I dunno..

Being happy about an oppressor agreeing to not oppress if you give him something is never something to be happy about. There ia no honor in that.

[strength=Abbas]

Finally........after 12 years...

[Chaotic Muslem]

I'm having mixed feelings regarding this.

First we will lose the greatest satan slogan. Then we have to start blaming others for creating daesh.

The other side of this situation is the hope that the killing madness in Middle East stops. If this deal will ensure a sort of peace then I'm for it. If it only will make everyone holds others by throat or if it only will benefit few capitalists from here and there then it is a rubbish.

Us and Europe are in bad shape economically. Militarly they can be accused of things close to war crimes considering the blood bath of Syria and Iraq .

If this deal will help to bring Islamic banking to stage or Islamic leadership ethics to universities then it is good but if it is only to promote few cultural things like Persian dishes and American music then it is trash.

I belive that it is all in the eyes of Allah and we should witness always the best if we kept holding tight on ahlulbayt , so I'm hoping that goodness will come , otherwise Middle East will turn to a place that has no likeness in history before.

[Ethics]

Being happy about an oppressor agreeing to not oppress if you give him something is never something to be happy about. There ia no honor in that.

 

I dont think anyone without a doubt is happy over it, from that perspective. Honor in what sense though? Being able to help your people drastically? Influencing others around you? Promoting your cause? Easing tensions? I think there are arguments that can be implied that this deal isnt necessarily losing any honor. Its not like Iran's ideals are changed LOL, every single western country knows how Iran feels about everything...

[mina]

I believe this deal serves only the petro fiat $$ and nothing else...cuz Iran sells oil for gold or goods and this is a clear dilemma for petro $$$ as leading currency,hence the interest in making 'a deal'...the hostility against Iran started long before the atomic program..it's always about petro $$,the financial system and power over ressources plus markets.

Edited July 14, 2015 by mina313

[repenter-gone4awhile]

400 000- 1 000 000 martyrs and dozen nuclear scientists later, this is what we end up with. Can i change my nationality to Lebanese?

[Abu Nasr]

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this part of the deal:

 

If there are allegations that Iran has not met its obligations, a joint commission will seek to resolve the dispute for 30 days. If that effort fails it would be referred to the UN security council, which would have to vote to continue sanctions relief. A veto by a permanent member would mean that sanctions are reimposed. The whole process would take 65 days.

 

Isn't this basically the permit US needs to act like a baby whenever Israel lobbies and asks for the reimposing of sanctions? I mean the part that says: "A veto by a permanent member would mean that sanctions are reimposed." Isn't Israel's foremost servant a permanent member?

 

As Netanyahu always says no matter what: "This seems like a really bad deal to me."

[Haydar Husayn]

I fear there will be no good outcome to this. Either sanctions will be reimposed on some dodgy pretext, or this deal will pave to way to the further Westernisation of Iran. Personally, I think that is why the West want to do a deal. They know that the more 'open' a society is to the 'outside world' (i.e. the West), the easier it is to influence, and from our point of view, corrupt.

I'm just hoping that the Iranian government know what they are doing, and have a very specific plan in place, because they are playing with fire here.

[repenter-gone4awhile]

I fear there will be no good outcome to this. Either sanctions will be reimposed on some dodgy pretext, or this deal will pave to way to the further Westernisation of Iran. Personally, I think that is why the West want to do a deal. They know that the more 'open' a society is to the 'outside world' (i.e. the West), the easier it is to influence, and from our point of view, corrupt.

I'm just hoping that the Iranian government know what they are doing, and have a very specific plan in place, because they are playing with fire here.

The government doesnt know what they are doing. Or rather they know perfectly well what they are doing. The current government is funded by a mafia family, everyone knows that, they just don't seem to care because the price of cuccumber will be cheaper.

[Zendegi]

Obama: I will veto any legislation that prevents implementation of this deal. Not time for politics or posturing. #IranDeal

Btw Rouhani's speech was very good. There was more truth coming from him about the deal than from Obama.

No disrespect to Obama, but he had to make it look like ''the west made this happen, and Iran is under control now'', but this is not the truth. He's only saying it to keep the opposition satisfied about the deal.

Remember guys, this deal is MUTUAL.

[mina]

If Obama is supporting smthg then truly this is the best sign for failure and falsehood.

[Zendegi]

What do you guys think about this? Finally a good place for all those iranians who just love to swear and mock at someone publicly...!
 

The backlash was very funny. This fool thinks just because someone doesn't like IR they'll love him and his boogeyman arguments.

 

He can like shut the hell up.

 

https://twitter.com/israelipm_farsi

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07...gage-iranians/

Netanyahu launches Farsi Twitter account to engage Iranians

JERUSALEM – Israel's prime minister opened a Twitter account in Farsi on Monday, seeking to reach out to the Iranian public as world powers were getting closer to a nuclear deal with the Islamic Republic.

Benjamin Netanyahu strongly opposes the emerging deal, and he used his inaugural tweet to criticize it and what he described as Iranian hypocrisy.

His first tweet included an image of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and said Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei "has said Iran should fight the U.S. regardless of the agreement, while Rouhani leads demonstrations expressing hatred."

Netanyahu's office said the Farsi account will publish content similar to his English and Hebrew accounts to engage the Iranian people directly. Netanyahu has a popular following on Twitter and often tweets videos and photos with messages critical of the Iranian government and nuclear negotiations.

Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-born Israeli analyst, said Netanyahu's aggressive rhetoric could backfire with his Iranian audience.

"I'm worried ... Netanyahu is going to cause more damage if he continues with the same messages," he said.

The account quickly gained more than 600 followers, with many users mocking him and saying there was a grammatical mistake.

Twitter, Facebook, and other popular social media sites are technically banned in Iran but Iranians are active on Twitter through proxy servers.

Key leaders, including Khameini, Rouhani, and Foreign Minister Jared Zarif, all have large followings and tweet official statements.

Netanyahu's office said it has not decided whether to interact with politicians on the new Twitter feed.

Netanyahu has lobbied against the emerging deal, saying it would leave too much of Iran's nuclear infrastructure intact. On Monday, he complained in Jerusalem that world powers are ready to make an agreement "at any price."

Earlier Monday, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said the deal with Iran will force the Jewish state to "defend itself, by itself."

Yaalon said Israel's assumption was that a "bad nuclear deal" was imminent -- one that would not succeed in closing a single reactor or destroy a single centrifuge in Iran.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Zendegi

[Zendegi]

Can i change my nationality to Lebanese?

Go ahead. You rather have your country bombed and invaded, and end up like Iraq and other places. This is the best deal the world could offer to an incompetent and untrustworthy regime. I care more about the safety and wellbeing of Iranians, than about the removal of this regime in case of an invasion. I don't plan to go into any more detail, this is it.

[mina]

Nobody asked you for details brother.

[Zendegi]

And nobody asked you to respond

[AnaAmmar1]

honestly, from the moment of winning elections, i knew this day is coming. 

i hope the price they are going to pay is worth it.

 

this is not a win-win situation for iran and it can never be, any one who thinks that America will let Islamic Republic of Iran prosper is a fool.

[mina]

I'm referring to your sentence 'I don't plan to go in any details.This is it!' As if someone forced u to give details...chill brother and blessed rest ramazan.

[Reza]

Stop being rude Zendegi.  Anyone can respond whenever they want. 

[Zendegi]

Sure they can

[repenter-gone4awhile]

Go ahead. You rather have your country bombed and invaded, and end up like Iraq and other places. This is the best deal the world could offer to an incompetent and untrustworthy regime. I care more about the safety and wellbeing of Iranians, than about the removal of this regime in case of an invasion. I don't plan to go into any more detail, this is it.

If they could bomb and invade they would have already. You are just to naive too see it. And so what if they did, did the lebanese shia abandon their honor because they were threatened? Go dig into every detail you want, you wont gain basirat or honor from that.

Here enjoy how we sold our rights to obtain what was our right in the first place:

http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Documents/1394/04/23/13940423000657.pdf

Enjoy your cheaper tomato prices in exchange for your rights on prime technology. And yeah, anytime Iran does something that they don't like, they will put sanctions back up again.

[Martyrdom]

If they could bomb and invade they would have already. You are just to naive too see it. And so what if they did, did the lebanese shia abandon their honor because they were threatened? Go dig into every detail you want, you wont gain basirat or honor from that.

Here enjoy how we sold our rights to obtain what was our right in the first place:http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Documents/1394/04/23/13940423000657.pdf

Enjoy your cheaper tomato prices in exchange for your rights on prime technology. And yeah, anytime Iran does something that they don't like, they will put sanctions back up again.

bro I see where you coming from but why can't you see it as the Americans came begging on their knees to Iran after 30 years of trying to bullying them and failing. Billions of dollars will be released which was taking wrongfully in the first place and now it's giving back to its rightfully owner. What part of the deal don't you like specially? Their has to be something good when all Iran's enemies like Saudi, Israel are extremely upset. Now Israel cannot use the excuse of Iran nuclear program to start a war. Israel is litterly suffocating now.

[repenter-gone4awhile]

bro I see where you coming from but why can't you see it as the Americans came begging on their knees to Iran after 30 years of trying to bullying them and failing. Billions of dollars will be released which was taking wrongfully in the first place and now it's giving back to its rightfully owner. What part of the deal don't you like specially? Their has to be something good when all Iran's enemies like Saudi, Israel are extremely upset. Now Israel cannot use the excuse of Iran nuclear program to start a war. Israel is litterly suffocating now.

Let's wait and see, it's not like the Americans have broken any deals before.

Am i speaking greek? I don't know how to explain this any better. I don't care about the deal. Here is the situation. Someone has forced you to not be allowed to shop, go to school, have visitors, buy stuff etc. Then you have spent 30+ years trying to fight this person that is forcing you on your knees, having lost all your kids and friends in the process. Now this someone is saying, ok if you stop learning how to do stuff on your own i'll let you go to the mall to shop, but only in some stores, not all of them.

Do i really need to point out the shame and problem here? It's like the story of Imam Hussein is just a fairy tale. I don't know what to say.

And finally, if you really believe that this deal was even close to being signed without the Israellis seeing the benefit in it, then i'm sorry. The media is a show for you too think they are upset. Now all their companies can freely sell Iran their products, destroying iranian made produce, while at the same time having Irans nuclear program in check, and they can pull the plug whenever they want.

[ChattingwithShias]

Won't there be a lifting of the arms embargo though which will allow Iran to updated it's weaponry?

[peace seeker II]

whatever the situation is, im sure there is something coming up in the future that we can not imagine right now. for both sides this is simply a stepping stone to their own benefits. This is not the end ..

[mina]

Just examples of the nonsense of the 'deal'...

'Iran acknowledge that the NPT remains the cornerstone of the nuclear non-proliferation regime and the essential foundation for the pursuit of nuclear disarmament and for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy.'

Iran signed the NPT long time ago what did they get in exchange? Sanctions.

Then the 'investment'-part in the pdf br.rep has posted. 'Investment' means robbery and exploitation of the country. SWIFT means submission to the international crisis torn US $$. Selling state bonds,do guys see what happens in Europe specially Greece due to the sale out of state bonds?Greece no longer belongs to the Greeks...the banks are closed and decide that nobody gets more than 60€....fools call that freedom or independance.

And I won't mention the part with Natanz,Arak and Fordow because I need to read it again to believe it.

In short,it's an absolute catastrophe for Iran and its ppl. Inshallah the deal will be broken.

Edited July 14, 2015 by mina313

[Highflyer]

most of the people who are disagreeing with this deal are either sitting in London or typing from US, but actual people who are in Iran are really happy now they can live their live and grow economically with time. dont mind much about those who calls US and British oppressors yet can't leave those places and wants to live there all their life.

 

Masalaam.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Highflyer

[peace seeker II]

i am confident that Ayatullah Khamenei (ra) and his team are aware of what they are doing. even if it's just a quick win to gain strategic benefits, while playing along.

If netanyahu is right in his press conference, then Iran will get hundreds of billions of dollars as a "jackpot" .. so maybe that is what Iran is aiming for .. quick financial freedom in a world where contries are still within the same financial system. i dont think any country can suddenly go to barter system, or moneyless system. even for iran to make a new gold standard would be impossible. with that money they can feed their people and prepare for the years to come. in sha Allah