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Who Are Khoja Shi'as?


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(bismillah)

 

(salam) everyone,

 

Can someone please explain who the group that are called Khoja Shia are, where they can be found and what their specific beliefs are, that set them apart from other Shi'as.

 

Thank you.

 

(wasalam)

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The few one's I've met are really nice and generous. 

Walaikum Salam,   Khoja's, just like say lebanese or Iraqi's, are a race. They comprise of mainly indians. They are shia twelvers, spread across the UK and the world, influential, and like any other c

I'm Khoja. Basically we're a group of Shias originating from India, specifically from Gujarat/Kutch, we were formerly Hindu, some then converted to Ismaili and then to twelver Shia Islam, some are Ism

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Wsalam,

 

Here I've found one http://www.shiachat.com/forum/user/72366-the-samz/.

 

There was a recently a documentary released about the Khojas and their origin and history, I don't think it's on YouTube yet although the trailer is:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-08bqh-IRnc

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Wsalam,

 

Here I've found one http://www.shiachat.com/forum/user/72366-the-samz/.

 

There was a recently a documentary released about the Khojas and their origin and history, I don't think it's on YouTube yet although the trailer is:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-08bqh-IRnc

 

 looool! Yes that dude is one of many! btw u know who this is ;)

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Khojas have very good business acumen. In general, they excel in their fields/area of expertise. You would be lucky to have one of them as your employee.(my current organization has about 5000 employees, and, as per my information, none of them khoja, whether shia or ismaili).

They are not very good at socializing and tend to create awkward situations. So please consider this as normal, in case you come across such a situation.

They spend a lot for religious activities and perform religious activities in a manner more organized as compared to other muslims.

They tend to have less religious knowledge, but they try to make the best use of what they know. (pray a lot of salat, recite duas, perform relevant amal etc.)

 

But then again, I am generalizing and every individual is different.

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Khoja's mainly started as Hindu's, until many in the group decided to embrace Islam. They went from ismaili or agha-khan(unsure) until they came to the shia twelver path. I would argue Khoja's probably have the greatest western presence of shia's, but the thing is, shia islam is not something we segregate into races. We are all one ummah, one people, one group, we  must integrete.

 

If we do not, act proudly, segregate, then we are arrogant.

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Bismillah,

 

Could you please provide hadith for your claim.

 

The claim is self-substantiating young grasshopper, you must open your eyes. 

 

Do they have an own language?

 

Mostly they speak Gujrati, Sawhili or Kachi, but usually they are very good at picking up other languages and accents. The ones in Pakistan and India obviously also speak the local language of course. 

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Bismillah

 

They're the next best thing after being Sayyid

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Next best thing after syeds. 

 

Dearest, are you saying what I understand, if not then I think you might have said more than you realize.

 

I am sorry but I couldn’t resist.

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Dawud plz can u help me...

I hve an issue about marriage ..

I m Syed shia girl and my father is Shia but my Mother is Sunni non syed n i want to marry a boy who is non syed sunni ..my father dnt get agree to let me marry that guy ...plz tell ms the solution and plz tell me tht is it allow in islam to get marry tht guy or not ?

Can i marry a sunni boy even i am divorcee and he is unmarried ?

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21 minutes ago, Syeda Urooba said:

Dawud plz can u help me...

I hve an issue about marriage ..

I m Syed shia girl and my father is Shia but my Mother is Sunni non syed n i want to marry a boy who is non syed sunni ..my father dnt get agree to let me marry that guy ...plz tell ms the solution and plz tell me tht is it allow in islam to get marry tht guy or not ?

Can i marry a sunni boy even i am divorcee and he is unmarried ?

If you're a virgin that sunni boy needs your father's permission to marry you, unless you're desperately in need of marriage and there is no other qualified man to ask for your hand.

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I'm Khoja. Basically we're a group of Shias originating from India, specifically from Gujarat/Kutch, we were formerly Hindu, some then converted to Ismaili and then to twelver Shia Islam, some are Ismaili, they're called Khoja Ismaili. Many Khojas some point moved from India to Tanzania/Kenya/Uganda, with me, my great great grandparents moved to Tanzania for more lucrative business opportunities, which is the reason most Khojas moved. Many khojas are now spread across the world, having moved from East Africa to UK, US, Canada. There are huge Khoja communities in Toronto, Stanmore (London), Orlando. We usually know Swahili, Kutchi, Gujarati. We don't usually speak Urdu or Hindi at home, but we can usually converse in it because of being exposed to Urdu/Hindi lecturers and Marsiya/Matam/Nawhas. 

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I'm a Khoja, my grandparents migrated from India to Pakistan (or maybe they just lived in the pre-Pakistan part of India before they split, I forget), but my mother says that our early ancestors were Hindus. My grandparents and father speak Gujarati. I'm kind of biased, but I think we're pretty nice, though some say we are kind of nosy :) 

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15 minutes ago, Syeda Urooba said:

I m not virgin m divorcee ... 

Than the sunni boy does not need to obtain your father's permission to marry you. However to be on the safe side, send the marjas your question in detail and they will answer it based on your situation.

Sayed Ali Khamenei - http://leader.ir/en/istifta (answers within 4-8 days)

Sayed Sistani - http://www.sistani.org/english/send-question/ (answers within 7+ days)

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15 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

Than the sunni boy does not need to obtain your father's permission to marry you. However to be on the safe side, send the marjas your question in detail and they will answer it based on your situation.

Sayed Ali Khamenei - http://leader.ir/en/istifta (answers within 4-8 days)

Sayed Sistani - http://www.sistani.org/english/send-question/ (answers within 7+ days)

Thnks #Hassan :-) 

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You will find many Khojas on this forum and one among all is myself. My Grandfather's grandfather was Hindu. I do not live in Gujarat but I can speak Gujarati. I'm more comfortable in local language i.e. Hindi/Urdu.

Someone here said that khojas are less religious, less knowledgeable, etc...I would rather say that it depends upon individual and the society as to how much religious he is.

Khojas are more of a race/cultural thing and has nothing to do with religion.

Be it Iraqi, Irani, lebanese, sayyed, khoja, etc. we all are shia and united on Wilayat-e-Ali (a.s.). Any other difference doesn't matter.

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Man we've been praised too much on this forum! Care to hear some negatives about us, of course no ill intent just some light-hearted honesty? I could write a book but I'll keep it brief if you're interested, you might have a little laugh too. 

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I am not Khoja, I have always found the Khoja community to be the most charming and charitable Shia communities.

Incredibly well organised Shia events timed to the minute. Under the leadeship of the late Mullah Asghar ( God bless his soul and raise him to the highest station) the Khoja community has gone from strength to strength establishing Imambargahs and Madrassahs where ever there is a sizeable Shia community.

It is reported that they were originally Hindu and converted to Sunni Islam under the influence of Muslim Sufi saints whose names are still revered in their books.

The British gave their area to the Agha Khan ( at that time) who converted them to Ismaili ( while it was still fairly mainstream Islam). From their a group split off enduring financial and social boycotting to become Shia Ithna Asheria  

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4 hours ago, A true Sunni said:

I am not Khoja, I have always found the Khoja community to be the most charming and charitable Shia communities.

Incredibly well organised Shia events timed to the minute. Under the leadeship of the late Mullah Asghar ( God bless his soul and raise him to the highest station) the Khoja community has gone from strength to strength establishing Imambargahs and Madrassahs where ever there is a sizeable Shia community.

It is reported that they were originally Hindu and converted to Sunni Islam under the influence of Muslim Sufi saints whose names are still revered in their books.

The British gave their area to the Agha Khan ( at that time) who converted them to Ismaili ( while it was still fairly mainstream Islam). From their a group split off enduring financial and social boycotting to become Shia Ithna Asheria  

Most converted from Hindu to Khoja Ismaili to Khoja Itnasheri. I don't recall my ancestors ever being sunni, at least not that my parents have ever told me. They mostly converted because Ismailis no longer mourned for Imam Hussein and my great great grandparents were put off by that and decided that any religion where they don't commemorate Kerbala, is not right. We are generous with wealth in donating to good causes, but we are also very spendthrift I think. Khoja weddings are too much man.

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