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Operation Labaik Ya Hussein

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Hello,

 

I think this makes it official.  Iraq will never again be Iraq as we knew it.  The sectarian divide is too great. 

 

"An umbrella group for mostly Shiite militia and volunteer fighters, Hashed al-Shaabi, said it had dubbed a military campaign to cut off the Islamic State group in Anbar province as "Operation Labaik ya Hussein," which roughly translates as "We are at your service, Hussein." (AFP)

 

http://news.yahoo.com/shiite-name-iraqi-operation-not-helpful-us-174108809.html

 

No one, including Sunnis, are willing to act in a manner that benefits all of Iraq.  It is all about one group dominating the other.  All that is seen by those involved is a zero sum game.

 

So, as we watch Iraq disintegrate, don't blame the United States, don't blame "neocons," don't blame Israel, blame the animosity and intolerance that everyday is exhibited in the Shia/Sunni Dialague forum and in countless other places both cyber and real all around the globe.

 

And, regardless of faith, we should all pray for the children of what once was Iraq.  They will suffer the most as this turns into an all out civil war.

 

May God look down on his creation and deliver tolerance and mercy,

David

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Heres the thing. If sunnis didnt want shia militias around their neighbourhood, they should have done a better job at protecting their areas against isis (who they know will turn it into a terror safehaven). Why are isis not found in shia dominated areas in iraq? Because they know if they set their foot in these areas they will be confronted by the masses.

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Hello,

I think this makes it official. Iraq will never again be Iraq as we knew it. The sectarian divide is too great.

"An umbrella group for mostly Shiite militia and volunteer fighters, Hashed al-Shaabi, said it had dubbed a military campaign to cut off the Islamic State group in Anbar province as "Operation Labaik ya Hussein," which roughly translates as "We are at your service, Hussein." (AFP)

http://news.yahoo.com/shiite-name-iraqi-operation-not-helpful-us-174108809.html

No one, including Sunnis, are willing to act in a manner that benefits all of Iraq. It is all about one group dominating the other. All that is seen by those involved is a zero sum game.

So, as we watch Iraq disintegrate, don't blame the United States, don't blame "neocons," don't blame Israel, blame the animosity and intolerance that everyday is exhibited in the Shia/Sunni Dialague forum and in countless other places both cyber and real all around the globe.

And, regardless of faith, we should all pray for the children of what once was Iraq. They will suffer the most as this turns into an all out civil war.

May God look down on his creation and deliver tolerance and mercy,

David

wait, the shi'ites can't defend their country because they're shi'ites? Or they can't motivate their fighters with religious teaching because it's drawn from shi'ism? But you see no problem with Sunni leaders sympathetic with other Sunni suicide & car bombers of civilian Shi'ite neighborhoods being handed weapons cache's agin & again which they immediately sell off to ISIS or just leave to them as the Sunni leaders retreat to Dubai?

The vast majority of Iraq is Shia Muslim, they've been oppressed by a Sunni Arab minority of less than 20% for over 1000 years. If you're going to invade a nation & institute democracy, you can't complain when the majority assumes power just because you hate them for their religious beliefs, despite the vast majority if not all terrorists targeting innocent civilians from the east to the west being Sunni Muslims? This reveals the hatred you have for Shia muslims that you'd rather break the country into parts than let the majority have a cultural impact.

Those that can't accept democracy & its consequences can't be reconciled with the state & should either convert or leave the country.

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Those that can't accept democracy & its consequences can't be reconciled with the state & should either convert or leave the country.

 

Convert?  Convert to what?

 

We get what we deserve.

 

All the Best,

David

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Sry for reposting ! Bcoz while posting my #7 post becomed #6 post, within seconds.

Hi David !

Dont pay tax to your goverments and protest against them, for not selling weapons to mideast, if you can ! They are selling weapons to ksa and iraq ! And selling to isil and revolutionaries too, whats this ! They are manufacturing arms from your tax and making prophit of it, but who are dying all muslims unforunately, now in this business even western soldiers are safe too, thats also a +point, what a trade ! Fact is that one group envades one town other runs there, then again another town gets on captured, they fights there. Round and round like tom and jerry show ! Nobody wins but sale of arms and its prophit is on peak. Some states are real terrorists & mafia and labeling uz as terrorists ! And i would like to ask @christian lady too, who always bring verses of bible about loving & caring neighbors, are these all teachings of your religion ! Then you people are the bigger terrorists than uz.

By the way thanks for bringing up interesting topic !

All the best to everybody.

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I'm pretty sure saying "labaik ya Hussein" is a non-issue for Sunnis.

 

For instance during the Saudi operation, you could hear people saying "labaik ya Salman."

 

Once again you demonstrated to us how little the west and the America know about Islam and Muslims.

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David, I really try my best to ignore you and do not reply to your 'fitna' topics, but let me tell you something!

 

Do you know that Sunni Arabs in Iraq live like kings compare to 15-20% Shia Arabs in Saudi? Shias in Saudi are even used to live under insults, Takfir, harassment, discrimination and often face death for demanding their rights for almost a century and even before that... Shias in Saudi are not even allowed to become head of a high school BY LAW... forget about joining the police, army, become a mayor, or a single post within the government. Saudi is an example, look at Kuwait, or Shia-majority Bahrain, Yemen where demanding their rights meant to selling Yemen to Iran and a war is declared on them... and I could go on...

 

So, the 10-15% Sunni Arabs in Iraq must face the reality, they are given more than their numbers and more than they deserve. More than any Arab or Muslim country who give to a small minority; be it the Arabs or the Sunni-Kurds who have an entire state within the state.

 

How many times you ever posted or cared for a single Shia minority across the Muslim world?

 

It is the western media and ppl like who  make 'titles' of such events and interestingly who are really worried about Shia-militias going into Sunni provinces than Sunnis themselves... it is Saudi  and monafiq Gulf states who propagate in their media...

 

So if Iraqi Shias, whatever names or slogans they use, if they don't fight their enemies (Sunni Takfiris), then I wonder who should? Fools around the world should know that, it is their land and they are the first ones affected and have the rights to fight.

 

It's like we say, oh if anything happens in Shia province of Qatif in Saudi Arabia, the Wahabi army cannot go in because of sectarian tension, the army from within the ppl should build up right away and take care of the situation. Anybody will agree? First, you, as an American who tolerate all shttt from Saudi for a few gallons of oil would say the opposite.... You and all those who single out Iraq and making all these rules...are nothing but a joke... You cannot apply it to any other Arab or Muslim country, then how come Iraq?

 

During the protests in Bahrain, 4 other Wahabi states and their armies entered Bahrain, silenced the protesters, and plus they burned all the Shia banners, destroyed graves and shrines, and even attacked Shia mosques, including the Wahabi soldiers of Saudi... how many times you or likes of you ever said anything in your media? Where was the respect for the feeling of Shias or preventing sectarianism?

 

 

 

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David,I blame the neocons for their divide et impera style which is the root for the sectarian problems we have.Of course muslims need to use their reason and see the traps of the imperialist powers but they are not the ones who set the fire.

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^^ do you know who Hussain A.S is and what he stood for? Do you know the significance of Hussain? I'm just wondering because you are easily failing to put the two and two together...

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No I dont. Looks like you are the only one who knows.


And since you know. Do you stand for what he stood?......by living a comfy life thousands of miles away, in an alien society, than where you are supposed to be. no?

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Hello,

 

I think it is interesting that not in one response has the word "Iraqi" been used.  Only descriptions such as "Sunni Arab in Iraq" and "Iraqi Shia."  Another tell tale sign I think.

 

Also, I am very sorry to hear some think I hate Shia Muslims.  This is simply not true.  I do have different views than some or even most on Shia Chat.  But, I assure you I do not hate Shia Muslims.  I can see that I may be at fault for this view.  I am more likely to speak out about something on Shia Chat I disagree with versus something on Shia Chat I agree with.  I will work on that going forward.

 

Best Regards,

David

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Hello,

I think it is interesting that not in one response has the word "Iraqi" been used. Only descriptions such as "Sunni Arab in Iraq" and "Iraqi Shia." Another tell tale sign I think.

Also, I am very sorry to hear some think I hate Shia Muslims. This is simply not true. I do have different views than some or even most on Shia Chat. But, I assure you I do not hate Shia Muslims. I can see that I may be at fault for this view. I am more likely to speak out about something on Shia Chat I disagree with versus something on Shia Chat I agree with. I will work on that going forward.

Best Regards,

David

Americans tend to hate Shi'ite Muslims & believe they're all agents of Iran that wants to wipe Israel off the map. I mean, the Americans would've never been so highly critical of the Ukrainian army trying to defeat a small minority of Russian-Ukrainians for example. The increased criticism & aversion towards the majority population of Iraq's defense of their homeland can have no other cause than a disgust for shi'ites.

In the Mideast, religious affiliation is what matters because the general populations was never converted to secularism & liberalism. Only the small elite wasmso sectarian differences, in the current situation, tells more about political goals than do liberalism or secularism or socialism.

The Sunni Arabs have been given weapons galore, they're part of the army but they themselves have surrendered territory without a fight to ISIS & left the arms cache's behind without even destroying it. In Mosul they first let ISIS take away & kill all the army members who were shi'ite in the speicher massacre. Iraqi's who are shi'ites are correct to feel suspicious. Even now, some of the Sunni media of Iraq fully denies any terrorist presence & say it's a democratic revolution against a Shi'ite tyranny. Meanwhile, tens of civilians are dying every week in car bomb- & suicide bomb attacks against civilian neighborhoods populated by shi'ites while no similar attacks occur against civilian Sunni neighborhoods.

If the iraqi's give concessions to these loud Sunni Arab leaders, Al-Anbar will be broken out of Iraq & have a nominal independence before being incorporated into Saudi Arabia.

If they see all Iraqi shi'ites as 'agents of Iran' & the Iraqi military as an 'Iranian military' (which they do thanks to Qatari & Saudi media) there really is no way to resolve this conflict without complete subjugation.

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Hello,

 

 

Americans tend to hate Shi'ite Muslims & believe they're all agents of Iran that wants to wipe Israel off the map. I mean, the Americans would've never been so highly critical of the Ukrainian army trying to defeat a small minority of Russian-Ukrainians for example. The increased criticism & aversion towards the majority population of Iraq's defense of their homeland can have no other cause than a disgust for shi'ites.
 

 

This is simply not true.  Fact is, 95 percent of Americans do not know the difference between Sunni and Shia.  So, their greater hatred toward one or the other is impossible.  I know the basic differences.  And, based on my experience, in general, Shia Muslims are exceedingly more tolerant when compared to Sunni Muslims.  For example, I have found no Sunni Muslim forum that allows me to express opinions that are not "mainstream."  I think this says a lot about Shia Muslims and Shia Chat.

 

 

The Sunni Arabs have been given weapons galore, they're part of the army but they themselves have surrendered territory without a fight to ISIS & left the arms cache's behind without even destroying it. In Mosul they first let ISIS take away & kill all the army members who were shi'ite in the speicher massacre. Iraqi's who are shi'ites are correct to feel suspicious. Even now, some of the Sunni media of Iraq fully denies any terrorist presence & say it's a democratic revolution against a Shi'ite tyranny. Meanwhile, tens of civilians are dying every week in car bomb- & suicide bomb attacks against civilian neighborhoods populated by shi'ites while no similar attacks occur against civilian Sunni neighborhoods.
 

 

I agree.  It is Shia Muslims primarily under attack in Iraq.

 

My point is calling the operation "Labaik ya Hussein" is not conducive to a unified Iraq.   It seems Moqtada Sadr agrees,

 

"Iraq Cleric Sadr criticises operation codename choice" (AFP)

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-cleric-sadr-criticises-operation-codename-choice-152031370.html

 

I think by mid-June we will know the fate of Iraq.  And, as I said, we should all pray for the children that are caught up in this mess.

 

All the Best,

David

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Loooooooool muqtada sadr is too funny.

 

Guy calls his militia the "the Mahdi army" yet gets his panties in a twist about 'labayka ya hussain' being a codename for an operation against ISIS. Maybe its his facial expressions, idk I've never took him seriously.

 

'Labayka ya salahuddin' :!!!:

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Its not a religious matter but a political one and i think thats what muqtada means. Its like when sunnis codename their operation as labayk ya omar- its bound to leave a not so good after taste among shias who are supposed to participate for or against that operation. and i am definitely not comparing the two men of 14 00 years ago but the perception of them among people today.

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"An umbrella group for mostly Shiite militia and volunteer fighters, Hashed al-Shaabi, said it had dubbed a military campaign to cut off the Islamic State group in Anbar province as "Operation Labaik ya Hussein," which roughly translates as "We are at your service, Hussein." (AFP)

 

 

This is the top fake slogan in this world which shi'ites consistently use to fool the masses. They NEVER were at the service of their imam hussain & expecting that from Iraqis is actually pretty stupid. These iraqis were the one who called imam e hussain from Madina by writing thousands of letters & than they betrayed him. Who killed Imam e Hussain? thats controversial. But one thing is for sure; these iraqis betrayed al hussain & his family & classical shia scholars admit it. Iraq is doomed from the day iraqis killed the grandson of the holy prophet [saw]. This is a fact.

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This is the top fake slogan in this world which shi'ites consistently use to fool the masses. They NEVER were at the service of their imam hussain & expecting that from Iraqis is actually pretty stupid. These iraqis were the one who called imam e hussain from Madina by writing thousands of letters & than they betrayed him. Who killed Imam e Hussain? thats controversial. But one thing is for sure; these iraqis betrayed al hussain & his family & classical shia scholars admit it. Iraq is doomed from the day iraqis killed the grandson of the holy prophet [saw]. This is a fact.

So the Iraqi Shia today are responsible for the actions taken by the Iraqi Shia 1400 years ago?

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This is the top fake slogan in this world which shi'ites consistently use to fool the masses. They NEVER were at the service of their imam hussain & expecting that from Iraqis is actually pretty stupid. These iraqis were the one who called imam e hussain from Madina by writing thousands of letters & than they betrayed him. Who killed Imam e Hussain? thats controversial. But one thing is for sure; these iraqis betrayed al hussain & his family & classical shia scholars admit it. Iraq is doomed from the day iraqis killed the grandson of the holy prophet [saw]. This is a fact.

 

That's rich.

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The Iraqis messed themselves up - they have had multiple opportunities to establish an Islamic Republic, recognizing and respecting all segments of their society - instead they waited and waited and waited and allowed a bigger shaytan to take over their nation. They will never get anywhere this way. The Islamic Republic of Iran should just get their forces together and get rid off the takfiries once and for all - and warn the Iraqis - that if they don't shape up - the IRI won't allow such security breeches in the future. 

 

Sayyid Hasan explained the meaning of labaik ya Hussain for the Americans . The sad thing is we have a peculiar Shia in Iraq ruling over many faithful Iraqis and now they decided to listen to Americans in determining what's sectarian and what's not.

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The Iraqis messed themselves up - they have had multiple opportunities to establish an Islamic Republic, recognizing and respecting all segments of their society - instead they waited and waited and waited and allowed a bigger shaytan to take over their nation. They will never get anywhere this way. The Islamic Republic of Iran should just get their forces together and get rid off the takfiries once and for all - and warn the Iraqis - that if they don't shape up - the IRI won't allow such security breeches in the future. 

 

Lol.

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And i would like to ask @christian lady too, who always bring verses of bible about loving & caring neighbors, are these all teachings of your religion !

 

 

Hello Al Hashmi,

 

The USA is not a Christian country, though there are many people who call themselves Christians in the USA. Sadly, throughout the centuries, even before the Declaration of Independence, many people who called themselves Christians disobeyed Jesus' commands to love neighbors as oneself (Matthew 22:35-40; Luke 10:25-37) and love enemies (Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-37). Instead, they stole Native Americans' land, lied to them, killed them, enslaved African people, and did other horrendous things. :(

 

Just like not everyone who calls himself or herself a Muslim obeys Muhammad and the Qur'an, so not everyone who calls himself or herself a Christian obeys Jesus Christ. While there are Americans who do obey Jesus Christ, the US government is most definitely not obedient to Jesus Christ in many areas. :(

 

Then you people are the bigger terrorists than uz.

 

 

A terrorist is literally a person who fills another with terror. Do Americans fill you with terror?

 

 

 

All the best to everybody.

 

 

Thanks. All the best to you too!

 

Peace and God bless you :)

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Hello Al Hashmi,

Hell0.

The USA is not a Christian country, though there are many people who call themselves Christians in the USA. Sadly, throughout the centuries, even before the Declaration of Independence, many people who called themselves Christians disobeyed Jesus' commands to love neighbors as oneself (Matthew 22:35-40; Luke 10:25-37) and love enemies (Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-37). Instead, they stole Native Americans' land, lied to them, killed them, enslaved African people, and did other horrendous things. :(

[indeed :-(!]

Just like not everyone who calls himself or herself a Muslim obeys Muhammad and the Qur'an, so not everyone who calls himself or herself a Christian obeys Jesus Christ. While there are Americans who do obey Jesus Christ, the US government is most definitely not obedient to Jesus Christ in many areas. :(

[sad ofcourse :-(!]

A terrorist is literally a person who fills another with terror. Do Americans fill you with terror?

[really ? Reread my post properly lady, i said some states are real terrorists and mafia too, who are smuggling weapons in mideast for their prophit ! And i forget to mention them land grabbers sry. And by that weapons terrorists are terrorizing, with the help of your disobedient slaves of mosses and jesus ! Who are much more masked terrorists than his so called terrorists.

Thanks. All the best to you too!

[Thanks]

Peace and God bless you :)

peace ! ^this is how.

And i apologize to some members of sc, who dont want me to be here or post ! Iam trying my best, as i said InshaAllah i will leave soon.

Shukran

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peace ! ^this is how.

And i apologize to some members of sc, who dont want me to be here or post ! Iam trying my best, as i said InshaAllah i will leave soon.

Shukran

i don't want you to leave & I don't think no one else wants it either!

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I'm pretty sure saying "labaik ya Hussein" is a non-issue for Sunnis.

 

For instance during the Saudi operation, you could hear people saying "labaik ya Salman."

 

Once again you demonstrated to us how little the west and the America know about Islam and Muslims.

 

Its not just David's opinion, it's also the opinion of the European governments that "Labaik ya Hussain" is a "sectarian slogan" that increases tension.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/26/us-mideast-crisis-idUSKBN0OB0K520150526

 

Once again, it seems like just being proud to be Shi'a is inflammatory.

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