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Haji 2003

Bin Laden Killing - Seymour Hersh Version

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That is 19 pages at size 12 font. Will read this as soon as I sit down. InshaAllah :)

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You don't need to be a genius nor do you need the endorsements of names to figure out the whole stupid sickening drama. There was a "OBL is dead" thread here on SC back when they lied. It should prove to be an amusing read.

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In all fairness this could be all fiction as well. Seymour H has been wrong before and his source is anonymous. Another reporter said he contacted Durrani as well and got a completely different response.

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As I said in another thread, I think he was under house arrest. 

 

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234989230-osama-bin-laden-watching-himself/

 

I wrote the above four years ago, so on that basis I agree with at least some of what Hersh says.

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(salam)

 

Having generally followed-in-the-media UBL since the Fisk interview in Sudan, and a recruitment target by AQ in 1996 (I thought it was a put-on, but they accurately did tell me where they got their money, and there were other reasons I wasn't interested in going); I was one of the people who really thought UBL was dead and had several reasons "why" until the Attoabad raid.

 

What angered my was that UBL was murdered rather than a capture-by-gas operation. Obviously, to shut him up.

 

And something that perturbed me was: in January 2001 I was watching ABC and the nutwork said something that jogged my memory of the above because it dove tailed. So I wrote it up and sent it to the Feds and no one ever came by to ask any questions or look at any pictures --even though in 2002 l recognized one on TV.  Then in 2011(?) l came across a USArmy report about their recruiting stations in Texas(2), Arizona and Brooklyn.

 

Go figure.

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http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234989230-osama-bin-laden-watching-himself/

 

I wrote the above four years ago, so on that basis I agree with at least some of what Hersh says.

 

Given where OBL was found it is inconceivable that he managed to hide for half a decade without the knowledge of the agencies. Hersh confirms this. The only other conclusion, apart from denying his existence, was that he was kept in a safe house with a plan to use him in some way at a future date.

 

I have a hard time believing Hersh when he gives the impression that Americans were clueless about the OBL's whereabouts till a defecting Pakistani intel officer told them. My theory is that America knew all along, but waited for the time when it most suited them to take OBL out. To what extent did Pakistanis and Americans collaborated on this one is a matter of guesswork. Hersh claims that OBL's location had been in the knowledge of Saudis right from the start, in 2006. So the collaboration seems to be more widespread.

 

In the end, each party wanted him dead than captured alive.

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I have a hard time believing Hersh when he gives the impression that Americans were clueless about the OBL's whereabouts till a defecting Pakistani intel officer told them. My theory is that America knew all along, but waited for the time when it most suited them to take OBL out. 

 

The ISI put him there, at least with American knowledge, more likely with their agreement. The question is why the killing was such a mess and to explain that I think it's likely something in the US/ISI deal went awry.

 

There may well have been a defecting ISI officer, but more likely he leaked plans of what the ISI or rogue elements within it wanted to do. The Americans could not risk leaving him there.

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You guys should watch Zero Dark Thirty. You will love the movie, I would too but I don't believe in the OBL thing so properly. I always wanted to believe like everyone else. But they had to throw his body in the sea and not even take a DNA sample or any proof aaaand just leave us to rely on the official word, as usual.

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You guys should watch Zero Dark Thirty. You will love the movie, I would too but I don't believe in the OBL thing so properly. I always wanted to believe like everyone else. But they had to throw his body in the sea and not even take a DNA sample or any proof aaaand just leave us to rely on the official word, as usual.

 

I forgot the references, but a few months after the fiasco a report was published in a reputable newspaper/magazine citing an anonymous American military man who revealed that OBL's body was first flown to Afghanistan and from there to a military facility in the US, where DNA testing and other things were done on his body. It also claimed that his body was saved in a big deep freezer. I don't remember if it claimed whether the body was thrown in the sea afterwords. But the initial story of his having "buried" in the sea right after the raid is an obvious lie. Moreover, Pakistanis would never have accepted if the whole raid was a drama and OBL had not been there or dead before. It doesn't add up to all the hype and controversy, which made Pak military look like sitting ducks. Every party had a lot of things to hide and Hersh with his report only manages to scratch the surface.

 

PS: I'd never watch that porcine excrement of a movie on OBL raid.

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This guy just made something up to sell books.  Does anyone really think that Bush would've let OBL live had he known his whereabouts?  Or that this could've really been kept a secret for so long, between so many levels?  Pakistani military that was made to look like fools, ISI, CIA, loads of US government officials, the SEALs, the people on the air craft carrier that were responsible for the burial at sea, all were able to keep this a secret until random anonymous officials decided to spill the beans?  But everyone loves a good conspiracy theory I suppose.

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On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2015 at 2:04 PM, guest050817 said:

That won't get much coverage on mainstream media. If it does, then i will happily be corrected.

2 1/2 years later and you proved "correct". The news this 02Nov is dominated by some "lone idiot" driving over people in NYC yesterday( nearly 8 minutes on a foreign broadcast)  and a Walmart shooting, and assorted sex acandals (following H. Weinstien for the last 2 weeks, ad nauseum)

BUT: 01Nov17  Most of the files, "470,000" of them from the Abbottabad Raid in 2011 have been released. Did anyone hear any radio or TV coverage?

The DNI site: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/features/bin-laden-s-bookshelf 

For a link to the ClA's press release: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41840864 

This is the 4th release of data.

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