British-Afghan Wars And Your Opinons On Them

[lover]

Three wars were carried out by Britain on Afghanistan and Afghans-

What do you think on them, their impact on today. Is Britains influence on Afghanistan and the Pashtun region overrated?

The last war ended with the Durand agreement, which is over now but still Pakistan denies to keept its part of the agreement?

Was it a clever game by the British or are Pakistan and Afghanistan too pig-headed to get an agreement and therefore have lasting peace.

Here is a detailed story for those who have never heard or read of those wars.

http://www.britishbattles.com/first-afghan-war/kabul-gandamak.htm

http://www.britishbattles.com/second-afghan-war/ali-masjid.htm

[hasanhh]

(salam)

 

Kyber Rifles and other movies still carried the British hype about the importance of the British in India.

 

Probably their biggest mistake was the creation of Afghanistan out of Persia and what is now Pakistan, and the Durrand Line.

[The Green Knight]

Not a mistake rather it was their incapacity to control the region. Pathans never succumbed to British tactics, ate shrubs, animal skin and lived atop mountains. From there they would snipe British cavalry in such a way that the shot would be heard a few seconds after the sipahi's corpse would have hit the ground from horse back. It is only now well after the Western cultural and economic manipulation and massive ignorance and corruption of the hearts that they are able to find and hire key figures they need in Afghanistan to do their bidding. And the Pathan now has been made hedonistic enough that they can't do what their forefathers did to fight the West.

[Wahdat]

Three wars were carried out by Britain on Afghanistan and Afghans-

What do you think on them, their impact on today. Is Britains influence on Afghanistan and the Pashtun region overrated?

The last war ended with the Durand agreement, which is over now but still Pakistan denies to keept its part of the agreement?

Was it a clever game by the British or are Pakistan and Afghanistan too pig-headed to get an agreement and therefore have lasting peace.

Here is a detailed story for those who have never heard or read of those wars.

http://www.britishbattles.com/first-afghan-war/kabul-gandamak.htm

http://www.britishbattles.com/second-afghan-war/ali-masjid.htm

 

Afghanistan was the only country who voted against the creation of Pakistan in the UN as it lays claim on 20% of Pakistan's territory. I was working at this policy center couple of years ago at the dept of regional cooperation and was asked by Asia Foundation to come up with a policy for the region. What we found out was that the entire ills of the region goes back to British politics of last century. Afghanistan lays claim on Pakistani territory but yet is unable to manage its own territory. Addition of the claimed territory would further double the population. So if Afghanistan is unable to manage its own population today and is dependent on foreign help....how would it manage a population twice the size? This is not to mention how Pakistani Pashtuns view Afg or Pakistan.

Pakistan further lays claim on Indian territory. And same arguments apply on Pakistan as well. Thus Indian govt tries to counter Pakistani claim by adding fuel to Afghan claims...which gives us our today's miserable state of affairs. The conclusion was that since states would not let go of their territory willfully, the only other option remains military means. Afghanistan's army is inferior to Pakistan's and Pakistan's to India. That no military adventure could solve this problem. Thus it would only be logical for all 3 countries to let go of their unattainable claims and open the region for free flow of goods and services which would create such a magnificent tide that would lift the ship of all 3 states in the region in addition to countries like Bangladesh, and Central Asian Republics.

Not a mistake rather it was their incapacity to control the region. Pathans never succumbed to British tactics, ate shrubs, animal skin and lived atop mountains. From there they would snipe British cavalry in such a way that the shot would be heard a few seconds after the sipahi's corpse would have hit the ground from horse back. It is only now well after the Western cultural and economic manipulation and massive ignorance and corruption of the hearts that they are able to find and hire key figures they need in Afghanistan to do their bidding. And the Pathan now has been made hedonistic enough that they can't do what their forefathers did to fight the West.

 

Pashtun chivalry is overrated and magnified. Without Pashtuns the British could not get to Afghanistan in the first place.  Afghanistan, a country thats at the bottom of womens right today, was the first Islamic country to have a female MP and created first school for women in mid 1920s by the then King Amanullah who the British could not buy. He further made it compulsory for govt clerks to pass literacy tests and not work cause they belonged to certain sect or ethnicity etc etc What the British did was bribed the conservative Pashtuns  and non-Pashtuns to rise against him and make Afghanistan more conducive to British politics....the rest is history.

Back to the OP-

Yes the Brits could be blamed for creating the problem. But regional military folks are to be blamed for not wanting to solve it.

[Invoker]

 

Yes the Brits could be blamed for creating the problem. But regional military folks are to be blamed for not wanting to solve it.

 

 

Those who created it must solve it.You dont expect others to clean out the mess YOU made. This is what the westerns are good at. They invade, implement the rule & divide formula & than leave. Their time is near InshAllah.

[hasanhh]

(salam)

 

Rhetorically, lnvoker, would you call in the Devil to do an exorcism ?

[Wahdat]

Those who created it must solve it.You dont expect others to clean out the mess YOU made. This is what the westerns are good at. They invade, implement the rule & divide formula & than leave. Their time is near InshAllah.

 

so someone burns your house down...instead of putting the fire out you say 'those who started the fire should come and put it out.'.....what if they dont come? would you let your house burn to ashes? I am sure for your house you'd have a different idea than for your country.

 

Nietzche's wisdom applies here- 'Madness, something rare in individuals, but in groups its the rule.' 

[Panzerwaffe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_of_a_King

excellent book on this subject

[DnA]

Afghanistan was the only country who voted against the creation of Pakistan in the UN as it lays claim on 20% of Pakistan's territory. I was working at this policy center couple of years ago at the dept of regional cooperation and was asked by Asia Foundation to come up with a policy for the region. What we found out was that the entire ills of the region goes back to British politics of last century. Afghanistan lays claim on Pakistani territory but yet is unable to manage its own territory. Addition of the claimed territory would further double the population. So if Afghanistan is unable to manage its own population today and is dependent on foreign help....how would it manage a population twice the size? This is not to mention how Pakistani Pashtuns view Afg or Pakistan.

Pakistan further lays claim on Indian territory. And same arguments apply on Pakistan as well. Thus Indian govt tries to counter Pakistani claim by adding fuel to Afghan claims...which gives us our today's miserable state of affairs. The conclusion was that since states would not let go of their territory willfully, the only other option remains military means. Afghanistan's army is inferior to Pakistan's and Pakistan's to India. That no military adventure could solve this problem. Thus it would only be logical for all 3 countries to let go of their unattainable claims and open the region for free flow of goods and services which would create such a magnificent tide that would lift the ship of all 3 states in the region in addition to countries like Bangladesh, and Central Asian Republics.

 

Pashtun chivalry is overrated and magnified. Without Pashtuns the British could not get to Afghanistan in the first place.  Afghanistan, a country thats at the bottom of womens right today, was the first Islamic country to have a female MP and created first school for women in mid 1920s by the then King Amanullah who the British could not buy. He further made it compulsory for govt clerks to pass literacy tests and not work cause they belonged to certain sect or ethnicity etc etc What the British did was bribed the conservative Pashtuns  and non-Pashtuns to rise against him and make Afghanistan more conducive to British politics....the rest is history.

Back to the OP-

Yes the Brits could be blamed for creating the problem. But regional military folks are to be blamed for not wanting to solve it.

When I saw this post I thought you were Pakistan, then I saw Kabul,?