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Following is the situation:

  • Iran has been under sanctions from a host of hostile enemies and their puppets/cronies.
  • Iran is trying to get rid of the sanctions through the p5+1 talks. Even though everyone knows it is nothing about nukes.
  • iran's economy has been under pressure due to the unjust sanctions.
  • The Western govts, through their puppets/cronies in the Middle east, are trying to bait the iranians to get involved in attacking its allies/puppets/cronies, being involved directly.
  • Iran is not responding, instead using various manoeuvres, such as supporting the regional resistance forces like hezb, hamas, iraqi army+popular forces.
  • Unfortunately, the methods used to bait Iran into being directly involved are getting extreme. Without a doubt, how these people sleep at night is a good question. Probably by using intoxicants. But the result has been that we are witnessing a situation where a Yemeni official states that they have fuel supply left worth 24 hrs' use.
  • Also, if the current geo-political situation continues, then there are significant chances that the dollar hegemony will fall in the next few years. (Think- AIIB, BRIICS bank, Yuan as a reserve currency, selling and converting of russian oil money in non-dollar currencies etc.)
  • The iran baiting, along with the baiting russia in Ukraine, is being used as trying to kick the can down the road concerning the collapse of the dollar hegemony.

 

My question is-

Should Iran continue to increase its strength, but watch muslims die at the hands of the west, its allies and its well-equipped shadow forces like Isis?

Or

Should we go all out to finish off the hegemonists and their regional allies from the region and risk a WMD attack again? Not to mention extreme sanctions. - (Going all out means liberating Bahrain, Oil-rich and shia-dominated east Saudi, Yemen etc?)

This will risk direct confrontation with the west. Is iran prepared to knock down the US and British warships?

 

Or are there any other possibilities?

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^ I had heard some people regard US as God ,And now I am witnessing it .

 

As it has been experienced US and its allies just can handle defend-less groups .Just take a look at the wars ,in the past 3-4 decades , in which US was involved ,whether directly or indirectly .

 

As for so called crippling sanctions , they haven't the effects US was pursuing and it cant work for them anymore .It was a blessing so that Iranians can realize they shouldn't rely on oil and Alhamdulilah day by day Iran dependence on natural resources is decreasing .

 

As for war I am not going to talk about it from an Islamic point of view here which sadly it seems it doesn't make sense for some of us .But as I mentioned If we look at the history ,US and its allies in the region in all wars against Iran and resistance groups faced nothing but a fiasco .

 

US and former Soviet Union plus tens of country helped Saddam in his 8 years war against Iran but they failed to reach their goals ,that was during the time Iran had no notable power compared to the today .

 

They failed during their 33 days war against Hezbollah .They failed in their wars against Palestinian groups and couldn't reach their goals and the same goes for Syria and Iraq . 

 

They even couldn't handle terrorist groups in Iraq and Afghanistan and after losing thousands of soldiers they were forced to return to home .

 

So its better for US army to rest in home .

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Military strength is not only about how big or good equipped an army is.See Israel vs hezb in 2006.

The US couldn't attack Syria directly because there was no support from the US ctizens and some high military personal showed their worries about such an attack.

So it's not about only the bigger,better equipped army can"wipe out" other countries.Key word is assymmetric warfare.#one on this field is not the US and friends.That's why they failed.

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But then, should we risk multiple WMD attacks by the psychopaths, by attacking 'their interests' right now?

 

or should we wait till we, our allies and the free world become stronger and the West weaker? Meanwhile letting them kill more muslims?

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Starting a war is not allowd but we have to resist and defend us.This can be done in different ways.

What WMD attacks do you mean? It's not wise to poison the world for decades and destroy lives and environment.

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Starting a war is not allowd but we have to resist and defend us.This can be done in different ways.

What WMD attacks do you mean? It's not wise to poison the world for decades and destroy lives and environment.

WMD attacks on iran by the western military.

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WMD attacks on iran by the western military.

Ah,ok.Don't worry brother,that won't happen,bi iznillah. And if Israel would dare that,it would be war everywhere.But we are no to allowed to make "pre-emtive strikes" like our enemies.

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USA can completely wipe out Iran with its military. Iran has been and will continue to play it safe.

 

I really dislike it when people bring up this "point."

 

Logistically speaking... the US could conquer Moscow in a nuclear war. Logistically speaking it's possible, and yet what does it mean in the real world? Absolutely nothing. 

 

And then there are those retards who say: the US never lost a battle throughout the entire Vietnam war. Yeah who cares, they still lost the war.

 

It's all pedantic nonsense. 

 

 

 

Let's take the DPRK, for example. Overall, the DPRK is weaker than Iran because it's strategic situation in the world is far less favorable. It has less natural wealth, no natural fortifications, no political influence in other countries, etc...

 

And yet, in the early 1990s and mid 1990s when the potential for war between the US and the DPRK was higher than it had been since the armistice, the Pentagon's war simulations all had American and South Korean defences withering away in the face of the KPA. And again this is a country who although it is militarily strong, it has no other "points" in its favor, strategically speaking.

 

 

 

And no I am not saying Iran should not continue to play it safe. Obviously, it is best to seek one's aims without causing bloodshed. Iran's commitment to peace is very important. I just don't buy into all this nonsense of the US being invincible. If it were all so easy, why wouldn't the US invade Iran already? What are they waiting for?

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And no I am not saying Iran should not continue to play it safe. Obviously, it is best to seek one's aims without causing bloodshed. Iran's commitment to peace is very important. I just don't buy into all this nonsense of the US being invincible. If it were all so easy, why wouldn't the US invade Iran already? What are they waiting for?

 

Well USA did kind of destroy Iraq... It is probably a matter of time before an Iranian war begins.

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Here is an article about an USraeli attempt of a war on Iran. What the article doesn't 't mention is the fact that if Israel would do that,they immediately would get attacked from hezb in the north and from Golan heights and Palestinian resistance in the country itsself.So the fire would directly spread to Israel and they know this.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-israel-wage-war-on-iran-in-syria/5440763

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One time some one asked Ahmadinejad "Aren't you worried about US army bases in your neighborhood "?

Ahmadinejad replied "Why should we be worried when they are at our target ? ".

 

The point is that US bases as well as Zionist entity will be wiped off the map before they can wipe a small city of Iran .And that is just one of the answers to the question "why US government is just saying All options is on the table including military action  for decades and haven't do any damn thing toward Iran ?"

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I think it's time to go all out for establishing peace between the west & Iran. This will be in the best interest of both sides. It will also be good for the islam imho.

 

The president of the US wants to establish peace between Iran & the west. They say many harsh things because they must do so to appease hawks in the US but some say that Obama has a passion for solving this crisis that began before his presidency. 

It's obvious that the US is run by different spheres of power as the congress wants to derail the deal while the US presidency has a different policy altogether. While there will be hostilities for a long time between Iran & the US, a deal between them will mean that Europe can have better relations with Iran at least

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The US still has by a long margin the strongest military in the world, any all out conflict with them is utter suicide.  Iran's military capabilities are mostly defensive, and that too to withstand a calculated assault for sometime, till diplomatic means can be undertaken.

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The US still has by a long margin the strongest military in the world, any all out conflict with them is utter suicide.  Iran's military capabilities are mostly defensive, and that too to withstand a calculated assault for sometime, till diplomatic means can be undertaken.

 

Actually Iranian military capabilities are aimed at destroying everything within arms reach that is America/Israelli. It is way too costly for the US to close down all its embassies, military bases, docks, evacuate israel, etc etc in order to go to war safely. 

Basically the strategy has been: Iran knows that a face to face war with US would be foolish, so it has made sure a direct war never happens by adopting a strategy that hinders US military action. 

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∆ Yes but the scenario the OP is envisioning is most likely suicide, only the Russians or the Chinese can even begin dreaming of such scenarios.

Edited by King

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Following is the situation:

  • Iran has been under sanctions from a host of hostile enemies and their puppets/cronies.
  • Iran is trying to get rid of the sanctions through the p5+1 talks. Even though everyone knows it is nothing about nukes.
  • iran's economy has been under pressure due to the unjust sanctions.
  • The Western govts, through their puppets/cronies in the Middle east, are trying to bait the iranians to get involved in attacking its allies/puppets/cronies, being involved directly.
  • Iran is not responding, instead using various manoeuvres, such as supporting the regional resistance forces like hezb, hamas, iraqi army+popular forces.
  • Unfortunately, the methods used to bait Iran into being directly involved are getting extreme. Without a doubt, how these people sleep at night is a good question. Probably by using intoxicants. But the result has been that we are witnessing a situation where a Yemeni official states that they have fuel supply left worth 24 hrs' use.
  • Also, if the current geo-political situation continues, then there are significant chances that the dollar hegemony will fall in the next few years. (Think- AIIB, BRIICS bank, Yuan as a reserve currency, selling and converting of russian oil money in non-dollar currencies etc.)
  • The iran baiting, along with the baiting russia in Ukraine, is being used as trying to kick the can down the road concerning the collapse of the dollar hegemony.

 

My question is-

Should Iran continue to increase its strength, but watch muslims die at the hands of the west, its allies and its well-equipped shadow forces like Isis?

Or

Should we go all out to finish off the hegemonists and their regional allies from the region and risk a WMD attack again? Not to mention extreme sanctions. - (Going all out means liberating Bahrain, Oil-rich and shia-dominated east Saudi, Yemen etc?)

This will risk direct confrontation with the west. Is iran prepared to knock down the US and British warships?

 

Or are there any other possibilities?

 

It may or may not be effective, but for sure there would be millions of dead muslims, mostly in Iran. 

There are many in power in the US, such as Sheldon Adelson,John McCain, AIPAC, Neocons, etc, who are waiting for 

some sort of provocation so that they can carpet bomb or nuke Tehran. They talk about this openly. 

That is why the leadership is being very wise and playing it safe. The only thing you can do in this situation. 

The Imams of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) taught us the act rationally and cautiously (ihtiyyat) in most situations. 

This is one of those situations. 

 

The way that we can defeat these plans is, 

 

1) Do the wajibat and avoid that haramat and do as much of the mutahabat as we can. 

2) Try our best to build unity and love between followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) and muslims in general

3) Be informed and aware of the various plots and plans of the enemies of Islam so that we don't deliberately or out of ignorance participate in these plots. 

4) Follow and Support our marjaa' and authentic leadership. 

5) Continously do media and outreach to muslims and non muslims to get our points and positions understood as widely as possible. 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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^Hello,

 

Please provide proof of this,

 

 

It may or may not be effective, but for sure there would be millions of dead muslims, mostly in Iran. 

There are many in power in the US, such as Sheldon Adelson,John McCain, AIPAC, Neocons, etc, who are waiting for 

some sort of provocation so that they can carpet bomb or nuke Tehran. They talk about this openly. 

That is why the leadership is being very wise and playing it safe. The only thing you can do in this situation. 

The Imams of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) taught us the act rationally and cautiously (ihtiyyat) in most situations. 

This is one of those situations. 

 

 

All the Best,

David

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^Hello,

 

Please provide proof of this,

 

 

 

All the Best,

David

Sometimes the proof is in the actions, in the tones in the small things that indicate.

If you were to walk alone in an alley, and a dude was walking sneakingly behind you holding something that looked like a sharp object whilst wearing a skimask, i would not ask you to provide proof if you were to tirn around and suckerpunch him before he stabbed you and robbed you.

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^ Hello,

 

Abu Hadi states Sheldon Adelson, John McCain, AIPAC, Neocons and others OPENLY call for the "carpet bombing" and "nuke" of Tehran.  If so many do as Abu Hadi claims, posting a few examples should be no problem.

 

But, he can't because what Abu Hadi claims has not occurred. 

 

It is disinformation in it's purest form posted on Shia Chat to create fear and hate. 

 

Moderators on Shia Chat should be held to a higher standard in my opinion. 

 

All the Best,

David

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What does "All options is on the table including military action" mean ?

 

It has been said ,over and over, by Democrats including Obama (President and Commander-in-chief ), not to mention fanatic Republicans .

 

 

Although military action can include nuclear attack ,but if you are seeking specially for the nuclear attack threat ,Here you are :

 

Adelson says Obama should fire ‘atomic weapon’ at Iran, not negotiate .

 

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/adelson-nuclear-negotiate

 

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These all statements have been made in the 21st century .

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^ Hello,

 

Abu Hadi states Sheldon Adelson, John McCain, AIPAC, Neocons and others OPENLY call for the "carpet bombing" and "nuke" of Tehran.  If so many do as Abu Hadi claims, posting a few examples should be no problem.

 

But, he can't because what Abu Hadi claims has not occurred. 

 

It is disinformation in it's purest form posted on Shia Chat to create fear and hate. 

 

Moderators on Shia Chat should be held to a higher standard in my opinion. 

 

All the Best,

David

Hello 

 

 

at 6:00 

Sheldon says to send a nuke to Iran in the desert to begin with and then say the next one will be towards Tehran.

 

All the best 

Sami !!

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^Hello,

 

Please provide proof of this,

 

 

 

All the Best,

David

 

Adelson then imagined what might happen if an American official were to call up an Iranian official, say “watch this,” and subsequently drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Iranian desert.

"Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development. 

 

This article is from the Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

 

Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson told a crowd at Yeshiva University in New York on Tuesday that the only proper negotiating tactic with Iran would be fire a nuclear missile at the country and threaten to wipe out the entire population of Tehran, the nation's capital.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/sheldon-adelson-nuke-iran_n_4150237.html

 

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran

 

- John McCain

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

 

(BTW read the comments under the video)

 

 

Bomb, Bomb Iran

- John Bolton

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html?_r=0

 

 

These are not merely a few toothless meth heads sitting in a trailer park. Sheldon Adleson is the largest donor to, and subsequently the most influential member of the Republican party. 

 

John McCain is an influential Senator and former Presidential candidate, who came close to winning in 2008

 

John Bolton was US Ambassador to the United Nations and still and influential media figure. 

 

 

 

Keep asking for more evidence. I will post more. There is a lot more. 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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There is something so relieving about truth and proof.

And what concerns nuking Tehran .. You think they aren't ready for that? I'm pretty sure that in the past 35 years of Islamic revolution a military expert brought up that 'what if' question, while being asked for a solution.

Wasn't it Imam Khomeini who said 'let Iran burn to the ground for Islam to succeed' ???

Those are the kind of people they're dealing with .. Masha Allah.

No threats or bullying will work there

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For 36 years not only Iran government but also its people are chanting slogans against US government ,They apparently call US government Great Satan and pray for its falling .Iranians in many battlefields ,whatever it is , opposed US government agendas .

 

So why US government which has attacked many countries hasn't attacked Iran directly ? Specially when they call Iran axis of evil and had it on its list of State Sponsor of Terrorism.

 

Where is that military option on US presidents table or at least " where is that table " !?

 

the post above is one of the answers to these questions " US govt knows Iran and the consequence of any war against Iran " .

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If the US decided to wipe out Iran and slaughter its citizens it would really spell the end for the US and beckon world-war three imho. It's impossible. Iran has forged far too strong links and ties with other nations.

 

Not to mention, if there is even one fatwah calling into action the 1.5B muslims globally, i'm pretty sure as sunni's also reside in Iran, an attack or war on Iran will backfire on whoever carries it out in the most spectacular way.

 

The days of violence are over. If violence is used it will just cause global chaos.

 

Their false-flags , lies, deceit, support for Israel, the global community is imho waking up day by day. So their last attempt is now secterian drama in the middle-east, this is their ace in the deck.

 

 

They can't attack Iran directly, nor can israel, so they'll try to use secterian drama, ISIS, terrorists , saudi-arabia to cause blood-shed and instability and do it for them.

 

We have entered the era of proxy wars.

 

I condemn all terrorism, murder, crime, and am for peace.

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USA can completely wipe out Iran with its military. Iran has been and will continue to play it safe.

 

Hello Repentant,

 

Not attacking is not playing it "safe" but is rather a smart and good move on the part of Iran.

 

God will judge the USA for attacking other nations. Why would Iran want to bring on herself such a judgement?

 

Two of the greatest sins the USA is guilty of is not trusting in God but instead trusting in weapons of mass destruction, inventing them and killing thousands of sons and daughters, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas. :( (The USA has a bloody history, including with how the European immigrants treated the Native Americans.) Not cool, and most definitely not obeying Jesus Christ's commands to love. :( 

 

As for inventing and using weapons of mass destruction, David did not invent a gun when he killed Goliath. Rather, he trusted in God and with a stone and sling killed the giant that was attacking Israel. However, David - the 2nd king of Israel - lived before Jesus Christ's command to love enemies, not afterwards. Thus, he was not responsible or accountable to obey Jesus Christ's commands, since he lived before Jesus Christ came.

 

Anyways, I hope my beloved country the USA does not attack Iran. I wish she had not attacked other nations either. The world would be a much better place if the USA and every nation would obey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself and love enemies. There would be a lot less enemies, if people loved them instead of try to kill them.

 

Peace and God bless you

For 36 years not only Iran government but also its people are chanting slogans against US government ,They apparently call US government Great Satan and pray for its falling .Iranians in many battlefields ,whatever it is , opposed US government agendas .

 

So why US government which has attacked many countries hasn't attacked Iran directly ? Specially when they call Iran axis of evil and had it on its list of State Sponsor of Terrorism.

 

Where is that military option on US presidents table or at least " where is that table " !?

 

the post above is one of the answers to these questions " US govt knows Iran and the consequence of any war against Iran " .

 

Hello Kamyar,

 

The reason the USA has not attacked Iran with military is because many Americans do not believe that is necessary or good to do. I am glad. I'm one of them. Again, I wish the USA did not attack other nations too.

 

Peace and God bless you

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Hello Repentant,

 

Not attacking is not playing it "safe" but is rather a smart and good move on the part of Iran.

 

God will judge the USA for attacking other nations. Why would Iran want to bring on herself such a judgement?

 

Two of the greatest sins the USA is guilty of is not trusting in God but instead trusting in weapons of mass destruction, inventing them and killing thousands of sons and daughters, Moms and Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas. :( (The USA has a bloody history, including with how the European immigrants treated the Native Americans.) Not cool, and most definitely not obeying Jesus Christ's commands to love. :( 

 

As for inventing and using weapons of mass destruction, David did not invent a gun when he killed Goliath. Rather, he trusted in God and with a stone and sling killed the giant that was attacking Israel. However, David - the 2nd king of Israel - lived before Jesus Christ's command to love enemies, not afterwards. Thus, he was not responsible or accountable to obey Jesus Christ's commands, since he lived before Jesus Christ came.

 

Anyways, I hope my beloved country the USA does not attack Iran. I wish she had not attacked other nations either. The world would be a much better place if the USA and every nation would obey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself and love enemies. There would be a lot less enemies, if people loved them instead of try to kill them.

 

Peace and God bless you

 

Hello Kamyar,

 

The reason the USA has not attacked Iran with military is because many Americans do not believe that is necessary or good to do. I am glad. I'm one of them. Again, I wish the USA did not attack other nations too.

 

Peace and God bless you

You actually believe that "americans" as in the people, are the deciding factor for what their government does?

Actually, if that was true then "americans" have a lot of genocide to answer for.

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You actually believe that "americans" as in the people, are the deciding factor for what their government does?

Actually, if that was true then "americans" have a lot of genocide to answer for.

(salam)

How I wish I could believe that the American people in some way had a voice against this hijacked plutocracy.  Sadly, you are right Repenter.  The Americans are fooled into thinking that the US is the only country in the world that is "free."  Here are the factors working against us:

 

  • All of the media outlets in the United States are owned by 1 of 6 conglomerates: message control
  • Massive stratification of wealth has less than 1% of the population of the United States controlling 40% of the wealth; the bottom 80% controlling 7% (Kristof, Nicholas An Idiot's Guide to Inequality 2014, New York Times)
  • A hijacked and corrupt campaign finance system whereby the wealthiest are literally buying elections, disasterous decisions like FEC vs McCutcheon and Citizens United have opened the door to unlimited funds from shadowy PACs. 
  • A persistent and systemic attenpt to disenfranchise voters who tend to be poor or racial minorities (and tend to vote for progressive candidates) through voter ID laws (even though electoral fraud is negligible at worst.

These factors all lead to the same thing, which is an overwhelming bias in favor of the Republican party which is massively hawkish, generally characterized by a rather myopic and Eurocentric world view, massively pro israel, anti social safety net, and in cozied up with big business.  Make no mistake about it, the United States is not a democracy and we are not free as a people.  Where they can't buy elections, the silence people through endless distractions, unconstitutional surveillance programs, repeated and syetematic attempts to destroy net neutrality (control information and you control perception.  If you control perception, you dictate "reality."

 

Many of us see it.  There is a huge anti war movement here.  The vast majority of Americans want peace with Iran.  Even if it's simply because the misguided imperialistic policies of the bush years and the repeated and incessant obstructionism of the GOP through the Obama administration has this country's military depleted, we can see plain as day that people like the Koch brothers are willing to spend billions in campaign contributions.  Why?  Are they super citizens? No.  They want a government that they can control.  God forbid the GOP "wins" the White House, they have it. 

 

As I see it, we are running out of options in terms of protests, political campaigns. petitions, grass roots organizing, etc.  The battle right now is David vs Goliath.  But we are seeing change.  Hundreds of thousands of signatures have been gathered to demand that the peace process with Iran move forward and in good faith.  We agree that Iran should not be humiliated or treated like a vanquished enemy.  For whatever flaws it may have, and I say that with all respect to the Islamic Republic and to it's great people, we respect you as a sovereign nation with a long and noble history, a vibrant culture, and we thank you for the many contributions that have been made by your people to human civilization.  But you see the disconnect between that and these warmongers who lie and lie and bargain in bad faith.

And t there is something about the evil things that have been done by the American government at the behest of corporate interest, wars for oil, countries destroyed, people murdered, resources stolen, and on and on, and they have the NERVE to act like the US is somehow morally superior and that the people of this country are free. 

 

So while I know that history will judge us harshly, the American people have zero control over things that matter.  The corporate cancer is everywhere.  Their influence is everywhere.  So many of us see it and we hate it, and I promise that we will never accept it.  We are just powerless in the face of it. The last righteous battle the US fought ended 70 years ago today.  SInce then it's been pretty much nonstop power grabs.  But I believe that in 2013 when the supposed red line was crossed on chemical weapons in Syria and the US did nothing, well we just saw America's Suez Crisis.  That was the day the US started to become irrelevent.

 

I don't say any of this proudly or happily.  I love where I'm from, but I hate the people in charge.

 

(wasalam)

 

PS I am not a self loather by any means.  In fact, I would only say this to anyone who believes me to be a self loather: who loves their country more? The person who wraps themselves in a flag and sticks their fingers in their ears or the person who says "we have problems and we need to fix them?"

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Hello,

 

Sorry for the delayed response.  I have been trying to find the definition of "trollicious."  :)   But seriously, I have been out of town and very busy.

 

Abu Hadi, below is an excerpt from your post #34 on the "They Are Not Muslims! Disgusting!" thread,

 

"I don't know.  But if that is not the point of the that video.....what is the point exactly ?

Giving a microphone to the opinion of .0001% of the muslims and plastering it all over the internet

as if it has any meaning or news value.

It is at the least of misepresentation, and at the most propaganda.

Since this is a Murdoch production, I'm making an educated guess it is the later."

 

Please allow me to do a little word substitution of the bold type.

 

"Giving a microphone to the opinion of a .0001% of the (Neocons, AIPAC, McCain, Adelson, post your own buzz word here)  and plastering it on Shia Chat as if it has any meaning or news value.

It is at the least a misrepresentation and at most propaganda.

Since this is an Abu Hadi post, I am making an educated guess it is the latter."

 

Abu Hadi, you live in the West and I think you know your comments are an exaggeration.  mina313, Kamyar and others live in Iran.  They have no way of knowing you are exaggerating facts.  They see your comments and take them as corroborating evidence of what they are told in Iran.  I think this amounts to fear mongering and is a disservice to both Iranians and Americans regardless of their religion.

 

 

You actually believe that "americans" as in the people, are the deciding factor for what their government does?
Actually, if that was true then "americans" have a lot of genocide to answer for.

 

Why can't you just accept the fact that Christian Lady is a nice, deeply religious American?  Yes, her views are different from yours.  Yes, as I mentioned, she is an American.  I know you hate those things.  But, do you really need to constantly nit pick her post and twist her words?  If you have something substantive to say by all means do so.  But, your smug quips that follow so many of her post really leave you looking like a bully in my opinion.

 

All the Best,

David

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