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I agree with you Pyroturban313.  Additionally, I have yet to see any evidence that Imam Ali reversed Umar's ruling while Imam Ali was the caliph.  If Umar had made that ruling in error, or out of misguidedness, then Imam Ali should have publicaly reversed it.  As far as I can tell, he never did that.  The argument I've heard instead is that "why would he need to reverse it when Umar had no authority to change it in the first place."  That's a pretty lame argument, because if someone changes the law, and people start following the new law regardless of if that person had the authority to change the law, they're going to continue following that law until the law is publically changed again.   I've seen some weak arguments stating the Imam Ali did partake in mutah, but I don't know how reliable they are. 
 
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On 5/8/2015 at 12:00 AM, Pyroturban313 said:

Good read - 

Of course it was. It already conforms with what you want to believe and it's confirming a conclusion you've already reached. Since when do Shia Muslims take their religion from Salafi blogs? Is it only when it conforms to what we want to believe and accept? 

On 5/8/2015 at 12:00 AM, Pyroturban313 said:

Oh and one more point to those that claim scholars and clerics know much more than we could possibly ever learn in a lifetime, therefore we must acknowledge their rulings on Mutah, they are not infallible! 

But someone with significantly less qualifications than actual Shii jurists has somehow figured it out whilst the rest of them for over the past ten centuries weren't able too, and then has the audacity to say: "they are not infallible!"? 

Since you've already made up your mind there is little that can come from discussing this issue. I recommend giving the following a read:

https://archive.org/details/NikahMutahCOMPLETED

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Mutah is like a saint compared to nikah jihad and misyar. If the latter are criminals on the loose then mutah is the innocent rotting in jail. Since it involves ( :o :o :o OMG bad bad thing) sex (!!!!) it was guilty right from the start. Even the mullah could not risk appear dirty or "hedonistic" to the jury else none will pray behind his imamate.

So poor forgotten and buried thing, its between you, God and the mullah.

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On 5/8/2015 at 12:00 AM, Pyroturban313 said:

Mutah = Pleasure. Its premise is hedonistic in nature. Therefore no matter what "answer" you give me I will never believe Mutah as being "morally correct"

To think that something as Haraam as Zina (non-marital sex) can be made halal by such a simple ritual is disgusting. To say this is fine and "halal" would be foolish.

I, among others, believe the Prophet had banned Mutah in stages, as he had banned Wine in stages. It was pronounced prohibited on the day of Khaybar.

I don't know how to convince anyone otherwise. Maybe our awaited Imam will clear this up for us? 

Oh and one more point to those that claim scholars and clerics know much more than we could possibly ever learn in a lifetime, therefore we must acknowledge their rulings on Mutah, they are not infallible! 

You really have no shame, do you? You say you've been shown the various hadiths of the Ma'sumeen (as) about the permissibility of Mut'a and you claim to be a Shi'a, yet you openly say what they allowed is tantamount to fornication (a sin so terrible that the Imams said the genitals of the fornicator will emit a stench so terrible on Qiyama that they won't be able to breath, and Allah will curse them along with the angels). Nikkah Mut'ah is a rahmah from Allah (jalla jalaluh) so that his servants never do an action which he has forbidden like commit zina or masturbate, and so that we may get to know women without doing what Allah has forbidden.

And if you seriously believe that Rasul Allah (saww) had banned Nikah Mut'ah on the day of Khaybar, then you should also think that your Imams were all liars (Na'udhu Billah) for allowing Nikkah Mut'ah and encouraging it as a Sunnah.

Finally, no doubt that the Ulama are fallible, but was Rasul Allah (saww)? Because this was from his Sunnah and the Sunnah which the Imams had encouraged people to do:

.(وروى بكر بن محمد عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: (سألته عن المتعة فقال: إني لاكره للرجل المسلم أن يخرج من الدنيا وقد بقيت عليه خلة من خلال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله لم يقضها
 
And narrated Bakr ibn Muhammad from Abi Abdillah (as) (Imam Sadiq), he (Bakr ibn Muhammad) said: "I asked him about Mut'a." So He (Imam Al-Sadiq (as)) said: "I dislike that a Muslim man leaves the world and and there remains an action upon him from the actions of Rasul Allah (saww) which he has not carried out.
 
Man La Yahdharahu Al-Faqeeh volume 3 page 463
 
Sheikh Murtadha Ali Al-Basha: "The Chain: Sahih (Authentic)" (سند الحديث : صحيح)

 

وقال الصادق عليه السلام: إني لاكره للرجل أن يموت وقد بقيت عليه خلة من خلال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله وسلم لم يأتها، فقلت له: فهل تمتع رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله وسلم قال: نعم وقرأ هذه الآية: وإذ أسر النبي إلى بعض أزواجه حديثا إلى قوله تعالى: ثيبات وأبكارا

 

And Al-Sadiq (as) said: "I dislike that a man may die, and upon him there remained the actions from the actions of the Messenger of Allah (saww) [which he] did not do." So I said to him: "So did the Messenger of Allah (saww) do Mut'ah?" He (as) said: "Yes", and read this verse: "And when the Prophet (saww) confided to one of his wives" until [the] statement of the Almighty: "widows and virgins".
 
Man La Yahdharahu Al-Faqeeh volume 3 page 466
 
Sheikh Murtadha Ali Al-Basha: "The chain of the Hadith is Mu'tabar (established in reliability) in the view of some scholars" (سند الحديث معتبر على رأي بعض العلماء)
 
 
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Dear OP:

If you are actually asking questions to seek answers, why are you coming in here with your guns blazing?

If some part of the religion is hard for you to swallow, do you really think the best approach is to just rip into it? Isn't it better to be cautious?

This is something the Prophet instituted, something which was apparently so important that imam Sadiq said it was the only issue he could not do taqiyya on. Something which has been universally agreed upon by all of our scholars as to its permissibility.

If you truly want answers then you need to be a little more open minded and a lot less confrontational. 

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To think that something as Haraam as Zina (non-marital sex) can be made halal by such a simple ritual is disgusting. To say this is fine and "halal" would be foolish.

It's a simple ritual in your opinion but it's a contract between man and a woman.There are boundaries for both and it also needs some conditions.
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Salam,

I have arrived at the conclusion that we Muslims must follow what Quran and the prophet Pbuh and his Ahlulbayt a.s say. We should not refuse to follow what Islam says, instead we should accept (and follow) it's teachings and then think about the reason why Islam has wanted the believers to do so.

Mut'aa is also something halal in Shari'aa and we MUST accept it, but we may want not to do it. Yet we cannot say it's haram. Because by saying that we are going against Islam.

Islam means submition. Let's submit ourselves to what Islam says/wants.

Your brother,

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FYI, the Arabs of pre-Islamic Arabia did practice temporary marriages it seems, as well as other forms of marriages, like incestuous marriages between the son and his mother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#Marriage_practices

Moreover, the prohibition of Mut'ah is shared* by the other two Shia sects: Ismailiah and Zaidiah.

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We don't care about what other sects in Islam say. According to the teachings of Twelver Shia, Mut'aa is halal.

Wassalam

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Sexual relations outside of marriage has existed in all cultures & civilizations. It's often said that prostitution is the oldest occupation in the world. That you think it's a crime equal to violent assault, theft or murder doesn't make a difference as its your own ideological inclinations. Besides, how many relations between man & women lack any form of give & take? A wife usually expects certain things to be provided to her & a man usually expects to provide certain things for his wife & vice versa. When only 1 side gives or takes, it usually ends in divorce. Is that a transaction? Where is the line drawn?

I think it's a sign of the wisdom of Islam that it's permitted & made halal if the right procedures & course of action is followed.

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On 5/3/2015 at 3:44 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

It is not just a cultural/personal objection. There are psychological and other significant implications to temporary relationships.

Often when people have a negative or positive attitude about something, there are underlying factors for the attitude. The factors may be so subtle, that even the subject cannot articulate what they are unless they give it some thought.

Some reasons why people may dislike mutah:

1, It cheapens marriage.

2, The danger of attachment.

3, More likelihood of spreading diseases.

4, Pregnancy.

There are some circumstances where things like the above are not going to occur, but in some other circumstances they will occur.

One should perhaps remember that in the older and more traditional Shi'i societies, mu'tah was only practiced by men with certain classes of women.

There was never any fear that of most of the things you mentioned because in most cases, the woman with whom you contracted mu'tah with was either

A. Going to be your permanent spouse eventually due to some arrangement

or

B. Was considered of a certain repute or occupation that she could only ever expect to contract temporary marriage.

In traditional Shi'ite societies, mu'tah was usually done by women who could never expect to have a permanent marriage. Most of the time, the women that wealthy merchants and nobles performed mu'tah with were courtesans, prostitutes, dancing girls, poor peasants, etc. Sometimes, noblemen and even village folk would recruit such women to sexually initiate their young boys. But these weren't exactly women you were expected to get too attached to. Your permanent wife was usually going to be someone who was of the same social class as yourself and from amongst the families of your friends and associates or was going to be a close relation like a cousin who would help keep wealth and property within the tribe. The idea of marrying one of these women permanently would be very odd and possibly frowned upon by your friends and family, regardless of whether or not it was religiously permissible, unless you were a peasant, in which case you and said woman were likely of equal standing anyway.

Usually, these "mutah women" performed mutah contracts so that rest of society's more high standing women didn't have to, so there was never any fear of marriage being cheapened.

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do 12er shia believe there is blessing in doing muta?

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Twelver Shia believes there is blessing in any halal.

I can remember a Hadith in which someone asked the prophet Pbu him and his family that is there any blessing in sleeping with our wifes (doing sexual intercourse)?

The prophet answered the question by asking a question: is it haram to sleep with a non-mahram? He answered yes. And then the prophet said so that's why there is blessings in halal things.

I tried to say the concept of the Hadith and don't remember the exact Hadith itself.

Wassalam

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On 5/8/2015 at 12:00 AM, Pyroturban313 said:

Mutah = Pleasure. Its premise is hedonistic in nature. Therefore no matter what "answer" you give me I will never believe Mutah as being "morally correct"

To think that something as Haraam as Zina (non-marital sex) can be made halal by such a simple ritual is disgusting. 

Brother repenter has already given a sufficient answer...

But...

You understand that actually performing a nikah doesn't take all that much longer than mutah?

You've seen people get married before, correct? 

I'm not talking about the pomp and pageantry, I'm talking about the actual nikah, which is what makes a man and a woman married and what makes them halal to each other (so long as they meet certain criteria). 

So are people who are permanently married, also committing zina? All that separates them from zina is a minute or two of Arabic phrases and some witnesses. Is this sufficient for you, or no?

Non-marital sex is made halal by marriage, which makes it marital sex. So I don't understand your point about non-marital sex. Mutah is marriage. 

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I found nothing intresting in this thread except the OP is using

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He is either Itna Ashari bcoz his father told him " we are ithna Ashari " , or he is very much living in Anti-Shia people.

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Twelver Shia believes there is blessing in any halal.

I can remember a Hadith in which someone asked the prophet Pbu him and his family that is there any blessing in sleeping with our wifes (doing sexual intercourse)?

The prophet answered the question by asking a question: is it haram to sleep with a non-mahram? He answered yes. And then the prophet said so that's why there is blessings in halal things.

I tried to say the concept of the Hadith and don't remember the exact Hadith itself.

Wassalam

Salaam, well yes there is blessing in everything halal.  However in the case of muta I think it depends on which position your heart inclines towards.  As a sunni naturally I have a few questions.  1) Do the male and female involved in muta blessed for their act? 2) If it is a blessed act, to 12er shia encourage their daughters/sons to part-take in it?  

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On 5/9/2015 at 6:11 AM, abu-khadijah said:

Salaam, well yes there is blessing in everything halal.  However in the case of muta I think it depends on which position your heart inclines towards.  As a sunni naturally I have a few questions.  1) Do the male and female involved in muta blessed for their act? 2) If it is a blessed act, to 12er shia encourage their daughters/sons to part-take in it?  

I think I know where this is going. Brother, I believe you are making a tentative assumption, implying that we "encourage" temporary marriage. This is completely invalid. What is indeed encouraged, is "Complete Marriage". Temporary marriage applies when certain issues arise, depending on the circumstances that the individual faces. It is simply an alternative course of action that has its own rulings, if the primary course of action is difficult to take due to circumstances.

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On 5/9/2015 at 6:11 AM, abu-khadijah said:

Salaam, well yes there is blessing in everything halal. However in the case of muta I think it depends on which position your heart inclines towards. As a sunni naturally I have a few questions. 1) Do the male and female involved in muta blessed for their act? 2) If it is a blessed act, to 12er shia encourage their daughters/sons to part-take in it?

Salamun Alaykom,

As I said, there is blessing in any halal including Mut'aa for both sides (male and female).

According to the teachings of Shia Islam,

Mut'aa is allowed but is not the best solution to address the sexual desire. Permanent marriage is the solution. Temporary marriage is for certain situations (like a married man being on a long Mission or something like war yet away from his own wife).

People courage their daughters /sons to engage in permanent marriage. Also please note that an act which is blessed doesn't mean it is Wajib (mandatory). For the same reason many people don't do many Mustahab Salat and many other blessed acts, they may choose not to involve in Mut'aa, because it's not mandatory.

And married women are not allowed to involve in Mut'aa even if their husband is far from them.

Mut'aa has been well defined and characterized in our great faith.

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On 5/9/2015 at 6:11 AM, abu-khadijah said:

Salaam, well yes there is blessing in everything halal.  However in the case of muta I think it depends on which position your heart inclines towards.  As a sunni naturally I have a few questions.  1) Do the male and female involved in muta blessed for their act? 2) If it is a blessed act, to 12er shia encourage their daughters/sons to part-take in it?  

Sayyid Ammar Nakshwani gave a proper response for such kind of question. I am not his fan , but i am listening everyone and his point on this issue makes me satisifed.

Ammar said " When ever Mutah will get discussed , they (Major sect of Islam) will all of sudden pops a Question ... Marry your sister with me in Mutah. Ammar added .. yes , offcourse if she is also willing to marry with you in Mutah, go ahead. Take her permission and go ahead. And if she is virgin take her father's permission too and do. What's wrong in it , it permissible for humans who are practicing Islam.

Ammar said .. Actually they want to make you angry by raising such question. Bcoz for them Mutah is like Prostitution. They are not able to consider Mutah for 99 years. For them it is just like 1 night.

Many humans are not able to digest some rules bcoz of there upbringing. Like for an athiest it is not easy to digest concept of God , and specially  everywhere .. he will feel uneasy. He never want a God is watching him while he is toilet, or in bedroom or in Cinema Hall. So for him God is  something either limited like himself or have no existence, bcoz for him if God exists, will lock his many bad desire. So for him he will never like to  consider God anything so that he will not get Bound in rules.

Same way Major sect is not able to understand many concepts of Islam due to there Upbringing, its not there fault. If they will remove the Grudge  from there brain and do comparative studies .. they will understand many Concepts. Its easy like crystal clear water, but that Grudge in brain is polluting that water.

Even our many Scholars said .. Mutah is Makrooh with Virgin.

Major sect is ignoring that particular line " Makrooh with Virgin " that is why there sense always stuck and treat girl as virgin.

If Allah gave permission to eat something special , that doesn't mean eat only that particular thing and leave everything else, Usually muslims are famous as " Meat Lovers " by non-muslims. Sometimes i feel like in there dream Muslim means a Person having a Leg piece of Goat with a AK 47 moving here there :lol: . Allah granted permission for Mutah , that doesn't mean Ahle Tashio is doing only Mutah and left Nikah.

Give Wahabism little break.

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On 5/8/2015 at 2:52 AM, Ibn Al-Ja said:

And Al-Sadiq (as) said: "I dislike that a man may die, and upon him there remained the actions from the actions of the Messenger of Allah (saww) [which he] did not do." So I said to him: "So did the Messenger of Allah (saww) do Mut'ah?" He (as) said: "Yes", and read this verse: "And when the Prophet (saww) confided to one of his wives" until [the] statement of the Almighty: "widows and virgins".

Man La Yahdharahu Al-Faqeeh volume 3 page 466
 
Sheikh Murtadha Ali Al-Basha: "The chain of the Hadith is Mu'tabar (established in reliability) in the view of some scholars" (سند الحديث معتبر على رأي بعض العلماء)

This ḥadīth technically is not Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic) or Mu`tabar (reliable) in terms of an indicating source of origin, that is it does not have a chain (Isnād) of narrators, and lacks of any narrator in fact. The primary reason for why some scholars have taken this as Mu`tabar (reliable), is due to "Jazm al-Sadūq (certainty in absolute origination [of the narration])", whereby the al-Sadūq for instance would say: "Said (qāl) the Imam al-Sadiq [a.s]...." which indicates al-Sadūq's absolute certainty in the origin of the ḥadīth, otherwise he has no right in attributing the saying to the Imām [a.s]. Some scholars have accepted this, however it can be argued against. Firstly, what al-Sadūq has attributed was due to a sense or intuition, and by authenticating the sense (without a chain of narrators), then thus it must have originated from a sense, that is due to the copying of the meaning (content of the narration) attributed to the Imāms [a.s] repetitiously or with high frequency (Muttiwātir). Therefore for that reason it  would be considered as a ḥujja (established evidence) upon us.

However, what refutes this, arguably is that the description from the phrase "Said (qāl)", if we assumed that it really was "Jazm al-Sadūq", it is not restrained to this one possibility of the narration being deduced from multiple routs or narrated in high frequency, thus this would be weak. This is because if truly there was a repetitious or high frequency of copying/narrating the narration, al-Sadūq would have automatically copied down these narrations and different routs, and possibly al-Sadūq might have had his own Qarā`in (contextual evidence) confined to him, which we have no access or evidence of, and therefore what the narration holds is discarded (If the narration is taken on its own, however if supported, then it is taken as a "Supportive" narration).

It is Important to note down, that what al-Sadūq considers "Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic) or reliable" (assuming he considers it) is not really a ḥujja (established evidence) upon us, if there was an apparent evident deficiency in the chain of narrators.

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Religious reason:

Mutah is allowed according to Quran (Open up Part 5 of 30 and see first page). And during the time of Prophet S.A.W.W it was practiced and then only during 2nd Caliphate it was prohibited (not by Prophet S.A.W.W himself).

Social and Common sense reason:

Mutah is allowed because Zina is not allowed at all. Nobody is forcing to do Mutah and it is for pious people who want themselves to be saved from even the slightest of the sins. So, with consent of the two (man and woman) it is done and is same like Nikah (Permanent) beside the two of them agrees to ending time. This is practiced to save yourself from sins. If people want to misuse anything, the same way they are bound not to misuse permanent marriage accord. Hope you get the point!

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On 5/9/2015 at 6:30 AM, Jaafar Al-Shibli said:

I think I know where this is going. Brother, I believe you are making a tentative assumption, implying that we "encourage" temporary marriage. This is completely invalid. What is indeed encouraged, is "Complete Marriage". Temporary marriage applies when certain issues arise, depending on the circumstances that the individual faces. It is simply an alternative course of action that has its own rulings, if the primary course of action is difficult to take due to circumstances.

Wa`aslam 

I agree that mutah is the alternative, not the primary, but these days I think Shi'i scholars and laity kind of downplay the social role that mutah played in Shi'i communities of the past. There's this kind of bashfulness about it and even if they continue to say it's halal, they imply we shouldn't like it.

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Mutah, if used properly, is a benefit and a blessing for all mankind. If a man and a woman commit adultery, the fear in their hearts will affect their souls and if they do not regret it at that time, they would definitely regret it later on. When a man and woman get married (nikah or mutah), the fear is gone. Those people who think mutah is prostitution or giving the green light for men and women to be promiscuous are sadly mistaken. Mutah is a practice that Allah SWT has provided for those who need it, and it is not good to hate a provision that Allah SWT created for a few people, because you think you will never need mutah. For all those who have done mutah or will need to do mutah, I wonder what those who have slandered them (using the word prostitution) will feel like in Yaum al-Qiyama.

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It’s lawful because the Quran says so, sunnis use their hadiths over the Quran when it’s comes to abrogation or use a verse that’s before the verse that made mutah lawful, mutah was also in the previous scriptures such as Christianity. There is no verse that abrogates mutah at all, Sunni’s also admit that mutah was allowed even during some of their caliphates time until Omar prohibited it and people fabricated hadiths saying prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prohibited mutah when there was no verse that abrogated mutah. Mutah was used when Prophet Muhammad’s companions wore travelling and needed temporary wife’s. Mutah is an mutual agreement between two people and both can put rules within the contract and if one go’s against these rules without the their spouses consent it’s considered a sin. People now a days use mutah to know each other at a personal level, go out on dates and etc or use it as an Why to be engaged and go out with each other without suffering the burned of sin. 

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It is allowed because Allah(s.w.a) knows human nature. 

It is extremely difficult or impossible for a man(men will generally admit this) or a women(women will not generally admit this), once they are mature (baligh and rushd) to go for long periods of time(months and years) without having an intimate relationship with someone from the opposite sex. This is a need like the need for food and water. At the same time, there are many people who are in a situation where non fixed term marriage (zawaj tul nikah) is very difficult or impossible. So Allah(s.w.a) has allowed mutah in order to fulfill the need that people have. When this need is not fulfilled in a halal way (i.e. mutah or zawaj nikah), most people will attempt to fill this need with haram, just like the person who is starving will put anything in their belly just to fill it. And so you see haram going on all around you. I'm wondering what it will take to wake the muslim communities up regarding this issue. 

The muslim society today (in almost every community) is heavily influenced by culture and greed, and not Islam, when it comes to the issue of marriage. Many cultures have a culturally constructed idea of 'honor' and 'dignity' which mutah will go against. But instead of questioning this culturally constructed idea of 'honor' and 'dignity' which has nothing to do with Islam, they question Islam, because mutah is part of Islam(as has been proven earlier in this thread). They would rather second guess Allah(s.w.a) than second guess this man made system of cultural 'honor' and 'dignity' which most communities buy into. This is the root of the problem, IMHO, not mutah. Brothers and Sisters should remember, that the main reason Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h) came was to fight the culturally constructed idea of 'honor' and 'dignity' that existed in the Jahiliyyah (this included burying their daughters alive which they thought of as 'honorable') and replace this with the Islamic idea of 'honor' and 'dignity' which is doing the halal and not doing the haram. 

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