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Adultery In The Mind Will Make Your Child Gay

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I am sick of constantly listening about these dumb and educated, IR brainwashed Clerics who are no different to those Wahabi preachers in Saudi Arabia who constantly come up with weird theories to claim the Earth is still flat. Its sad these uneducated morons are being allowed to openly preach their propaganda and backward ideas in public. Reading this article makes me sick.
 

16 April 2015- Daily Mail

An Iranian cleric is teaching his followers that thinking about another woman while having sex with your wife will make your children gay.

Ayatollah Hossein Dehnavi, a celebrity preacher in Iran, made the speech to a packed auditorium of men and women in his home country.

It is the latest controversial teaching put forward by Dehnavi, who also warned that if women did not wear the hijab - the veil covering the hair and chest - properly, they could inadvertently cause some men to become homosexual.

 

On past occasions He has preached that women must provide sex to their husbands at all times - and said women who are better educated or are financially independent 'harm men's authority'.

'One of the other duties of women in regard to their men is to take care of their men’s instinctive needs [sexual drive]', the cleric said in a report by The Clarion Project, an organisation against extremism.

'Do not break their pride and [you must] be more sensitive toward them'

During another speech, the ayatollah explain that it is not a sin for a man to think about another woman while he is having sex with his partner, but if she becomes pregnant as a result the child will be gay.

Dehavni is a celebrated cleric in Iran, whose speeches on family life and marital affairs are shown on state TV and who people queue up for tickets to see him speak live, according to Iran Wire.

The 53-year-old grandfather has himself been married for 30 years

In other speeches he warns Iranian couples not to have too much sex: '.. only once or twice a week, not every day. Otherwise the wan will become saturated.'

He also suggests paler women wear black underwear and show off the most attractive parts of their bodies - their armpits and chest - to entice their husbands.

By perfecting the art of lovemaking, he suggests, couples will have bigger families with strong Muslim values which will ultimately lead to peace on earth.

 

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Part of the problem is they are only educated in religion and don't understand anything else (science, math, social studies, etc).  But there is a demand for them to apply a religion that was formed over 1400 years ago to modern life.  So they make stuff up based on their rudimentary understanding of things that they know nothing about (science, etc.).  Have you seen the video of the Saudi cleric using "logic" to disprove that the Earth rotates?  It's embarrassing.

 

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It is called fantasizing. Spouses should never think of another person when they are together. It is definitely haram to fantasize.

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Since when it is allowed to think of another woman.... especially when you are with your wife ? i don't know about making children gay.. but it'll definitely bring displeasure of Allah and mercy of Allah may be lifted. So if Allah's mercy is lifted then Satan overtakes from there it has effect on one way or another... 

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religious speakers should stick to religion just as a scientist should stick to science. When someone wanders outside their field, they will speak about things they have no knowledge of. If an ayaltullah or any religious authority starts speaking scientific nonsense, it will be hard to follow them even in religious rulings because obviously the person did not use any logic when speaking about non-religious issues.

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Please provide an audio + video recording of the ayatollah.

The specific issue about being born with a gay child I think he mentions is in part 3 of the 4 episode lecture about sex and marriage which is on Youtube. Besides that he talks about heaps of other ridiculous/hillarious issues and I am surprised people would even attend his lectures as you can understand he seems quite backward and uneducated. He openly lectures on Iranian TV and is employed by the IR regime. If you are interested in his lectures, I have added all of the episodes for you to watch.   

 

 

 

 

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I think you are forgetting that being a religious preacher makes you an expert on all social/political/economic issues in life, and it is obligatory upon you to boast of such vast array of knowledge in your "lectures".


In any case, this is rather common around the world, Iran is not some special case, neither is it exclusive to islamic preachers.

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I personally consider this as lack of respect for knowledge itself.

People who respect knowledge are deadly serious and precisa about it, and asks professionals and professors of different fields and specializations when they are not 100% sure about a specific matter.

So these lecturers are either great experts in all matters in life or just show no proper respect for knowledge, in my opinion.

Each one is free to believe in what they say and follow them, though.

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He is only trying to fool the lay people into doing good things

 

Still immodesty leads to homosexuality, when people see women so much and see sexual tapes and then it all becomes boring for him and then he starts getting interested in homosexuality and sodomy, its logical. 

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Someone with no knowledge considers a knowlegdeable one as a wiseacre. Someone lazy with inferiority complexes considers a diligent person as a boring nerd. An extremist considers the moderate as looser and the blind are not able to see anything.

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He is only trying to fool the lay people into doing good things

Still immodesty leads to homosexuality, when people see women so much and see sexual tapes and then it all becomes boring for him and then he starts getting interested in homosexuality and sodomy, its logical.

It is still lying to people.

In the second hand, please don't use the word 'logic' with what you just said. Logic is universal. Has nothing to do with beliefs and personal views on something. What you said is what you believe, not a logical truth.

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religious speakers should stick to religion just as a scientist should stick to science. When someone wanders outside their field, they will speak about things they have no knowledge of. If an ayaltullah or any religious authority starts speaking scientific nonsense, it will be hard to follow them even in religious rulings because obviously the person did not use any logic when speaking about non-religious issues.

What are the fields of religion and where is the limit?

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There are a number of separate issues going on here.

 

The first is that, in my opinion, Muslim clerics and those from other religions may well associate 'bad outcomes' for actions that are considered sinful. There may be no established cause and effect relationship, but I just take it that the association is meant to signify how bad the action is.

 

The second is clerics making claims outside their area of direct knowledge. That, I think, is just to do with people not correcting them. 

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religious speakers should stick to religion just as a scientist should stick to science. When someone wanders outside their field, they will speak about things they have no knowledge of. If an ayaltullah or any religious authority starts speaking scientific nonsense, it will be hard to follow them even in religious rulings because obviously the person did not use any logic when speaking about non-religious issues.

One may judge your point that you mean religion and science contradict each other which is absolutely false .

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He is only trying to fool the lay people into doing good things

 

Still immodesty leads to homosexuality, when people see women so much and see sexual tapes and then it all becomes boring for him and then he starts getting interested in homosexuality and sodomy, its logical. 

There are books that state the same thing. People who consume a lot of pornography have usually ended watching child porn because the usual stuff no  longer works for them. Fantasizing is a bit like porn in some way...

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What are the fields of religion and where is the limit?

 

If someone wanted to know the shape, size, distance from x, etc. of the earth they would not go to a religious figure but an astronomist. If I wanted to know how my soul reacts with my body I wouldn't go to a physician but to a religious figure. This is one example.

There are books that state the same thing. People who consume a lot of pornography have usually ended watching child porn because the usual stuff no  longer works for them. Fantasizing is a bit like porn in some way...

 

That is not the same thing as a child being born homosexual.

 

One may judge your point that you mean religion and science contradict each other which is absolutely false .

 

 

Who ever gets that from my point is way off the actual point I was trying to make

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Science is starting to prove that the brain does react to pornography similar to drugs - your pleasure center and reward center in the brain get rewired and desensitized to it, causing you to seek stronger and stronger drugs (in this case, pornography).  However suggesting that turns someone gay is a stretch in my opinion.  It may make them seek out things that may essentially make them bisexual, and commit acts associated with homosexuality, but it may very well also make them cheat on their spouses due to the excitement/rush of doing something scandalous.  People equate homosexuality with men a lot, but what about women?  If a woman thought about another man, would it make their child gay?

 

Like Repentant said, stick to your field of expertise.  If you want to offer your opinion on another matter, that's fine, but you need to ensure that it's always followed by a qualifiying statement that it is just your opinion and not based on science/religion/etc.  I'm no religious expert, which is why I often make postings on here saying "in my opinion."  However, one of my expertise is in the area of engineering, and I will often qualify my statements that "based off the math/mechanics" _____ is what needs to be done.

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Zendegi, on 17 Apr 2015 - 9:02 PM, said:Zendegi, on 17 Apr 2015 - 9:02 PM, said:Zendegi, on 17 Apr 2015 - 9:02 PM, said:

I am sick of constantly listening about these dumb and educated, IR brainwashed Clerics who are no different to those Wahabi preachers in Saudi Arabia who constantly come up with weird theories to claim the Earth is still flat. Its sad these uneducated morons are being allowed to openly preach their propaganda and backward ideas in public. Reading this article makes me sick.

 

16 April 2015- Daily Mail

An Iranian cleric is teaching his followers that thinking about another woman while having sex with your wife will make your children gay.

Ayatollah Hossein Dehnavi, a celebrity preacher in Iran, made the speech to a packed auditorium of men and women in his home country.

It is the latest controversial teaching put forward by Dehnavi, who also warned that if women did not wear the hijab - the veil covering the hair and chest - properly, they could inadvertently cause some men to become homosexual.

 

On past occasions He has preached that women must provide sex to their husbands at all times - and said women who are better educated or are financially independent 'harm men's authority'.

'One of the other duties of women in regard to their men is to take care of their men’s instinctive needs [sexual drive]', the cleric said in a report by The Clarion Project, an organisation against extremism.

'Do not break their pride and [you must] be more sensitive toward them'

During another speech, the ayatollah explain that it is not a sin for a man to think about another woman while he is having sex with his partner, but if she becomes pregnant as a result the child will be gay.

Dehavni is a celebrated cleric in Iran, whose speeches on family life and marital affairs are shown on state TV and who people queue up for tickets to see him speak live, according to Iran Wire.

The 53-year-old grandfather has himself been married for 30 years

In other speeches he warns Iranian couples not to have too much sex: '.. only once or twice a week, not every day. Otherwise the wan will become saturated.'

He also suggests paler women wear black underwear and show off the most attractive parts of their bodies - their armpits and chest - to entice their husbands.

By perfecting the art of lovemaking, he suggests, couples will have bigger families with strong Muslim values which will ultimately lead to peace on earth.

 

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I don't understand what your problem is.

 

I've never heard one of his lectures but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I came across a hadith in al kafi that's in agreement to what he is saying and what's the harm of listening to the man even if said consequences aren't scientifically proven.

 

besides I kinda like what he says. Especially in regards to marriage and the spouses obligations toward each other.

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I don't understand what your problem is.

 

I've never heard one of his lectures but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I came across a hadith in al kafi that's in agreement to what he is saying and what's the harm of listening to the man even if said consequences aren't scientifically proven.

 

besides I kinda like what he says. Especially in regards to marriage and the spouses obligations toward each other.

 

 

Because we shouldn't accept false things and lies just because they might side with our own beliefs. We should not allow nonsense in the religion.

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So my dear doubtful brothers and sisters, you totally ignore the spiritual effects of a corrupted soul trying to conceive a baby?

Seriously!!

And half of you, most respectfully claim (or will claim) their significant other 'soul mate' at one point in life.

Do you see how shallow some of the SC'rs knowledge is on matter of spiritual effects on material and environment? This includes me among the ignorant ones as well.

I neither have time, energy, or the will to cite literally hundred of examples where a corrupted soul can effect matter. If interested look around and you will find many on your own.

As far as this Hadith, and others such, yes they do have profound and visible effects on babies as they grow into humans, of what their parents did during, and immediately before and after the conception of a baby.

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Irfani313, on 03 Sept 2015 - 7:00 PM, said:

So my dear doubtful brothers and sisters, you totally ignore the spiritual effects of a corrupted soul trying to conceive a baby?

Seriously!!

And half of you, most respectfully claim (or will claim) their significant other 'soul mate' at one point in life.

Do you see how shallow some of the SC'rs knowledge is on matter of spiritual effects on material and environment? This includes me among the ignorant ones as well.

I neither have time, energy, or the will to cite literally hundred of examples where a corrupted soul can effect matter. If interested look around and you will find many on your own.

As far as this Hadith, and others such, yes they do have profound and visible effects on babies as they grow into humans, of what their parents did during, and immediately before and after the conception of a baby.

 

THANK YOU.

Because we shouldn't accept false things and lies just because they might side with our own beliefs. We should not allow nonsense in the religion.

 

How are they lies many things like eating haram have spiritual affects on us as Muslims this in turn has physical affects just like Irfani313 said.

 

now your right we should not construct religion in a bias way and in our image but there is no problem in what the man says in terms of the hadiths of ahlulbayt(as) and the prophets(saw).

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The whole belief is so controversial and potentially offensive that is not worth believing in it if it is not proven. In any other field of knowledge, any person making such claims would have to disappear from the scene for years.

But now some food for thought on how bigoted these ideas are. Why would God condemn someone to live a whole life as a homosexual for a sinful mind on his parents. In the one hand, the punishment seems to fall in an innocent person, in the second hand, the sin of the parent/s is not a sin by itself until committed.

Also from my perspective, considering and defending issues like this with absolutely no ground but the hate speech of a cleric or a group of them can only have one source or motivation: internalized homophobia. When it comes to non solid knowledge that has no utility nor helps in any way, it is just better to ignore it. Not even worth the debate. It is not the first cleric nor the last one who will find casual interest in a topic different from theology, maybe out of boredom or whatever. Maybe I should leave videogames from time to time to throw pointless religious speechs (because what he is doing is exactly as ridiculous as what I have just said, if not worse sadly he actually have people who would listen seriously to him).

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The whole belief is so controversial and potentially offensive that is not worth believing in it if it is not proven. In any other field of knowledge, any person making such claims would have to disappear from the scene for years.

But now some food for thought on how bigoted these ideas are. Why would God condemn someone to live a whole life as a homosexual for a sinful mind on his parents. In the one hand, the punishment seems to fall in an innocent person, in the second hand, the sin of the parent/s is not a sin by itself until committed.

Also from my perspective, considering and defending issues like this with absolutely no ground but the hate speech of a cleric or a group of them can only have one source or motivation: internalized homophobia. When it comes to non solid knowledge that has no utility nor helps in any way, it is just better to ignore it. Not even worth the debate. It is not the first cleric nor the last one who will find casual interest in a topic different from theology, maybe out of boredom or whatever. Maybe I should leave videogames from time to time to throw pointless religious speechs (because what he is doing is exactly as ridiculous as what I have just said, if not worse sadly he actually have people who would listen seriously to him).

 

True. I believe somewhere in the Qur'an states that each person is responsible for themselves. So why would the actions of a parent pass down to the children. Otherwise if the child sins because of homosexuality, all he or she needs to do is blame the parents and won't be held responsible.

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The whole thing is incoherent. Since when "turning your son gay" is a punishment from God? I mean seriously, it is evident this is just a product from ignorance and from the fear men seem to have to the "terrible" idea of having a gay son (and how "insulting and shameful" this would be for his family in a social sense). God doesn't play in social dramas.

As I said in my first rwply to this topic, this person has zero respect for knowledge as a whole, when he allows for himself to speak like this. The academic profile comes with certain characteristics and strictness, when he lose them, he deserves no more respect and consideration in an academic sense, regardless of the amount of turbans he puts on his head.

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The whole thing is incoherent. Since when "turning your son gay" is a punishment from God? I mean seriously, it is evident this is just a product from ignorance and from the fear men seem to have to the "terrible" idea of having a gay son (and how "insulting and shameful" this would be for his family in a social sense). God doesn't play in social dramas.

As I said in my first rwply to this topic, this person has zero respect for knowledge as a whole, when he allows for himself to speak like this. The academic profile comes with certain characteristics and strictness, when he lose them, he deserves no more respect and consideration in an academic sense, regardless of the amount of turbans he puts on his head.

Did you actually listen to and understand the lecture? Or are you just going by what OP has written here?

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By the sources published, repenter, which I can contextualize and understand the biased message.

I know Dehnevi's field is not homosexuality but sexual and marital healthy lifestyle, and I applaud him for that, but inclusinf homosexuality in the message is just out of place, for the political and social message it sends. Maybe in Iran is not harmful (I don't knkw how it is seen in Iran), but for the rest of the muslim world it is a harmful message, as it condemns and links the conditiin of homosexuality as something as despisable as adultery. I condemn such links, that are in the first place harmful, and in the second not proven. I can guess his exact words and the context was not the same the article quoted presents, but I can believe he mentioned homosexuality and related it to adultery. This, and only this over anything else, is what I condemn.

What I defend is that the condition, and not the act, of homosexuality shouldn't be demonized nor linked to the bad behaviour of others.

Anyway, forgive my temper, it's a touchy subject for me and overly reacted wrongly (probably because I watched Yasser Habib lecture prior to this one already). The person may be a nice academic and scholar. It is just the topic of homosexuality what I consider he has no ability to address. Heh, I actually re-read my post and tell to myself I must have been really upset while typing :S. Gosh, I should abstain from this type of threads.

Anyway, in order to reaffirm or retract my words and be just, i would appreciate a link to his actual lecture. I took for granted the lecture linked homosexuality to adultery, and I may actually be wrong but didn't think about it due to an emotional stupid reaction (again, touchy subject and past bad experience watching Yasser Habib).

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Heheh, I will make sure to get to understand it as I have spoke unjustly. To be honest, ironically I committed the error I criticized, which was judging without knowledge, showing no respect for it :/. My public apologies to this person, and may God and him forgive my temperament and overall my words.

Another example of how weak some of us are, that allow our emotions to take over our principles. No words for the regret I feel :/. Again, thanks for pointing this out repenter, at least acknowledging it is better than nothing :p

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