Hamas & Israel Support Saudi Invasion Of Yemen

[Noah-]

New Declarations supporting Saudi Arabia's illegal war! Hamas in Gaza, Abbas in WestBank, Israel, USA, Great Britain are the latest countries who support Saudi Arabia's invasion of Yemen in last few days!

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The Palestinian movement sends tacit message of support for Saudi-led military campaign against Houthi militia in Yemen

 

Hamas supports military operation for political legitimacy in Yemen

 

Arab News & middleeasteye- Hamas extended support for Kingdom-led operation “Decisive Storm,” aimed at restoring the legitimate government in Yemen, as also to save its people from rampaging Houthi militants.

The Palestinian organization said in a statement issued on Saturday that it supports self-determination of the Yemeni people and opposes any actions that would put Yemen’s security- and independence at risk.

Hamas said it supports “political legitimacy” in Yemen and backs its “unity, security- and independence.”

The statement assumes significance as it comes shortly after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas joined the array of leaders from the Muslim world who strongly supported the joint military operation by coalition forces.

 

 

[shiasoldier786]

No more sympathy for these back-stabbing ungrateful palestinians. No matter how much we support them, they will always consider us the enemy.

[Al Hashmi]

Its western policy, they are also helping iraq & its revolutionaries with nearly 55 nations what i know ! Only showoff what they did in iraq till now. May Allah have mercy on the ummah of Muhammad s.a.w

[guest050817]

Guys, do not be fooled, hamas is split into two groups , one that is on Irans side, another that isn't!

 

Do not let this deceive you into not supporting the cause of the palestinians.

Edited March 30, 2015 by Tawheed313

[The Green Knight]

So another hadith proves itself true, that all with even a speck of love for Uthman bin Affan will be in Dajjal's army. So much for day dreaming about unity and "ummah".

[guest050817]

We few who support the cause of justice against tyranny , terrorism, and opression, we happy few, we band of brothers/sisters. And all those who sell themselves from the truth shall think themselves accursed on that day, and hold their souls cheap. We bear witness in supporting the truth even in our minority.

[mina]

"....Hamas said in a statement."

Hamas is not a person.Why don't they mention the source?

Only the idiot wing of hamas will side in a coalition with Egypt,which just marked them as terrorists.They are too stupid.The coalition of the stupid can't do anything but bombing a refugee-camp in Yemen.

Edited March 30, 2015 by mina313

[Sisters In Islam]

We support the oppressed Palestinian forever.. Ignore the confused one. Just stick to our principle. remember Imam Husayn.. who tried his best to guide people (including Shimr) to the right path..

[mayf321d]

Expect no less from Sunnis.

No matter how much help you give them, they will always gravitate to anti-Shia sentiment.

 

Iran, a Shia Muslim country, has given them so much. Money, training, weapons, fierce vocal and political support, yet Palestinians pronounce takfir on Shia Muslims very easily; the ONLY people that have given them real help. 

When ISIS took over Mosul, Iraq in June 2014 it was the Palestinians that came out in vocal support of ISIS. 

A lot of the terrorists in Iraq, bombing and killing innocent SHIA MUSLIM CIVILIANS are Palestinian. 

They supported the insurgency in Syria, typical low-level thinking from these sunnis, given that the military support/weapons Iran gives them goes THROUGH Syria. Basically cutting off the hand thats feeding you.

They even passed on Hezbollah tactics to their FSA/Takfiri sunni brethren in Syria

Without the Shia Muslims they would be NOTHING

And now they are supporting the Sunni-Wahabi led bombing on Yemen because they are Shia Muslim.

 

Why should we support these Sunni scum? Personally I don't care for Palestine after all the backstabbing. If Israel is ever defeated (extremely unlikely) then the government that would take over would very likely be takfiri-Sunni and would then cause problems for the Shia Muslim south of Lebanon. Sunnis have killed far more Shia Muslims than Zionist Jews have, they are immeasurably the bigger threat

 

It is OK for Sunnis/Saudis to attack/quash Shia Muslims (remember Bahrain?) but when Shia Muslims support their Shia Muslim brothers, it's all a Persian/Iranian/Safavid conspiracy to create discord in the middle east.

Edited March 30, 2015 by mayf321d

[Noah-]

^Well said.

 

And for all those splits amongst Hamas and other excuses that ppl here make for them, while Hamas group never made such excuses for itself..

 

They should bring evidence to show us that a single split from the movement supports the oppressed ppl of Yemen against Saudi-Israeli alliance? That any single split from them support the people of Bahrain against a Zionist puppet? That a single or even an individual from the group support the Syrian government against the Takfiri terrorists? That a single person from the movement support Iraqis against terrorist attack in the last 10 years?

 

These are fake claims, simple excuses...

 

And LETS SAY if it was true that there are splits and divisions, anyone can give a good reason or at LEAST A REASON to tell us why any branch or any split from the movement or even from Palestine side with Saudi-Gulf-Sisi's Egypt, western- states, PLUS Israel against people of Yemen? These are the states and parties who actively participated in the massacre and oppression of Palestine, the entire Palestine for last 65 years.

 

Enough said!!!!!!!!!

 

It is like me going around and finding excuses to support ISIS, Qaida, Taliban and claim, we should support these ppl because they are oppressed and their are branches and splits and what not.

 

Let the entire Shias across the world die in the hands of these evil Muhawiya followers, but we should say nothing because there are splits and Israel wants to make fitna between Shia and Sunni unity... a unity that beautifully existed for the last 14 centuries... 

 

A falls notion that kept our hands always tie and we became so simplistic and don't know our enemies and friends, and as young man, I was a victim of these notions for many years believing in such things propagated by our scholars and Shia personalities throughout to world.

 

May God forgive me for all the years that felt so bad, prayed and stressed out for these Yazeed followers... didn't know or cared much for any Shia community as much as I did for these ppl whom with I have no relation whatsoever.

 

mina313, sister, I hope one day you wake up just like brother Shiasoldier above. I remember it was my first years on Shiachat around 2008 that I always had this problem with him, it was my first time knowing fully about this useless cult and political prostitutes when I closely monitored their ideas on Shias, on Saddam and how much hatreds they reserved for us, and I had hard times speaking about the truth on Hamas and other Palestinian groups with him (Shiasoldier) in Private messaging or on forums... I am glade he sees some of the things now and most of our Shia communities live or online started to face the reality.

 

Go search anyone, there are statements from Hizb accusing Hamas of showing their own tactics to Syrian terrorists to use against Hizb.. the above user is absolutely right.

 

 

 

 

[Abu Nur]

We support the oppressed Palestinian forever.. Ignore the confused one. Just stick to our principle. remember Imam Husayn.. who tried his best to guide people (including Shimr) to the right path..

It is important to support the oppressed Muslims, but how do you do that in such a situation? Do you think Supporting Hamas is something that helps the oppressed Muslims in Palestine? How it does help them, all in news i hear Hamas do this and that, then suddenly Israel Attacks and kills thousands Palestinians. What is worse is that recently they have attacked our Shias.

 

Also if people say Hamas have two faces, how can we trust a group with two faces?

Edited March 31, 2015 by Dhulfikar

[mina]

There is a split you can deny that,that's up to you.

Islamic Jihad,too is pro Iran.There are groups who side with Hezb and Iran and one of them is a part of Hamas.Emad al-Alami is the military leader of that group.

There are even Palestinians who became shia.I myself know whole families who are shia.

You are overestimating the power of "Hamas" over the Palestinians.Most of them do not support them anymore in Gaza.The ran put of money.Their time is up.People leave Hamas and attain other groups since the war in Syria.I can't close my eyes about these fact . That's all.

Most active in the war last summer were the fighters of Islamic Jihad and the Gazans know that.Gazans also know which name was on the nutrition packages.Abandoning mio because of a few thousand retarded Hamas guys sounds not logical to me.

And by the way the Palestinian cause is not a matter of sunni or shia it's a fight against Zionism.

Edited March 31, 2015 by mina313

[alirex]

These slogans presenting " Hamas is supporting Saudi Invasion " is popped intentionally to break the news which rest media is running against Saudi. The rest media continuously running Slogans " Saudi's never attack israel for Palestine "  .. So to divert everyone's brain from these slogans , they are popping Hamas is also supporting Saudi invasion.

 

Now if you will talk , Why Saudi never attack israel for Palestine. Majority innocent stupids will say .. Hamas is also supporting such act. That's it.

 

This is Dajjali era , beaware .. your brain can get diluted by false propagandas. When rest media started raising finger on Saudis action .. why they never attack israel. Such kind of statements are always coming to protect Aale Saud family prestige. 

 

One very good sentence Maulana Jawwad Naqvi said .. When a religious person offer you to pray namaz , then its a normal offer. But if iblees offer you for Namaz , then for sure there is problem.

 

So Noah buddy , don't go against things. Calculate everything and make sure yourself before passing any statement in public.

[Noah-]

mina, why do you want to ignore all the questions I had regarding your split and if any of you had any reason for a single split or a single faction or a single oppressed Palestinians to support Israel or Saudi in any case? Please don't repeat the same stuffs under every post, we all got that.

 

Those who became Shia have nothing to do with this case. I know myself too about Shia Palestinians... The Shias even faced jail time and brutal attacks back in 2010 during Muharram at the hands of Hamas  where Shia practices were declared illegal by the group and no group condemned their attacks on Shia worshipers be it Jihad or anybody else around inside or outside, except some Iranian clerics in Iran...... and I was the one to post the news on this forum at the time, so I know all about Shias of Palestine.. Read reply #8 again, if you don't answer those questions plz don't make the same statements and do not repeat yourself under every single topic on Hamas or Palestine.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Noah-

[FalconofMisk]

Hey, I'm new here and stumbled upon this forum after viewing topics related to the Mahdi. Interesting forum section. I also realize there is political section and would like to clarify some things here as I happen to be Palestinian.

 

Hamas's message in Arabic states two things:

 

1. Support the 'Shar3iyah', meaning legal government and choice of Yemeni people. This is broad statement and doesn't imply support of military coalition.

2. Opposition to harming of Yemen's security. Probaby meaning no military use by all sides. This is good position.

 

Don't expect Hamas to take controversial positions in support of one side or another in a dirty regional war. Just because you have different perspective of this regional war, doesn't mean the other few hundred million Sunni Arabs share it. And we are not going to upset them in this case. I'd like to correct some misinformation here as well as I happen to be from Gaza. We have a very small number of Shia's. Our society as whole doesn't follow Shia madhab, they follow Shafiyah madhab. We don't have Husseynats either, we have mosques. Nothing more.

 

Hamas is not split into two camps, its position is clear. It wants ties with all nations as it is a government and needs this to support the Palestinian cause. It does not want to sit exclusively in one camp. If this upsets some people, then move on with your life and leave Hamas alone. Hamas has many sources and knows what it's doing. It has been managing on its own for past 4 years. Mahmoud Zahar is a public figure, he is not involved in major decision making of party. Recently there was an attempt for reconcilation process but it went downhill once again. Because Iran wants Hamas as a proxy. Hamas will not play that role, Hezbollah can. Iran also wants Hamas to adopt its regional positions, this is not possible either. And finally, Iran wants ideologica influence on our people. Our people reject this, we don't like anyone interfering in our personal religious affairs.

 

No offense to member 'mina33', but your information is wrong. Starting with the war, no, it's actually the armed wing of Hamas which did most of fighting on ground. Whether in Rafah or Shajajiyah or coast of Gaza city. Islamic Jihad didn't capture any soldiers or send forces across border. It was all done by Hamas. Secondly, they(Islamic Jihad) had one senior member become Shia. He left Islamic Jihad and formed his own group called Harakat Husn. It is small group and will not get big.

 

And anyone thinking they will try supporting Islamic Jihad to stage coup in Gaza is living in a delusional world. Hamas is the strongest and will always remain. And their popular support by far exceeds any other group. Any coup attempt will end Islamic Jihad movement for eternity, just by peoples rejection not military means. Some people say PRC and IJ will do it, PRC is largely Nassar Salah Al Din Brigades which gets weapons and is trained by Hamas. Ideologically they're very close as well. PRC will never do that. The whole Resistance in Palestine will never break apart.

 

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Now, ties with Iran should be political. If ideology gets in the way than we all have to move on. Past ties were past, future will be different. We can't accept situation where it is expected from us to support exclusively one axis which has a bad image in Arab world. And ethiically we can't take these positions. We aren't close ideologically, we relate politically and it should remain this way. If it doesn't then there will be no renewal of ties. Supporting Islamic Jihad won't change anything, event he support they get is small from military perspective. If people from Shia community don't like Hamas then stop mentioning Hamas and move on with your other concerns. The issue is that you keep clinging to us and claiming you still support us, but right now reality is different. I know the facts on the ground.

 

I don't mind reconcilation if based on mutual interests and able to understand our differences on some positions, this is welcomed but leadership in Iran wants otherwise.

 

If people need any more clarifications you're welcome to tag me.

[kamyar]

It is true and undeniable that some of Palestinian leaders( including Hamas) actions is disgusting ,but i think we should pay attention to some points:

 

 

1. All of the Palestinian leaders are not the same ,for example in this case Mahmoud Zahar ,one of Hamas senior leaders , clearly declared his opposition to Saudi invasion .

 

2. Let assume all of this leaders and groups are backstabber ,but we have no other option (at least at the moment ) to fight Israel and defend Palestinian people .

 

3. By halting support for Palestine ,the only one which can benefit most is Israel .

 

Ya Ali

[mina]

Assad about Palestinians and some members of Hamas.

"And there were those who came to us from the sons of Hamas who were faithful to Syrian lands to tell us what the Movement was doing against Syria..."

"...what has happened and is happening; that the target is the “regime” is a lie and a falsehood. The aim is to destroy Syria as a victory for Israel. This is the view of the Palestinians. They are right. And, with immense pride, I say that the Palestinian people outstripped all others, even the Syrians themselves, in understanding that.”

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.de/2014/12/dr-assads-statements-to-palestinian.html

and Palestinians who side with the Syrian Army against takfiris

Maybe you can search youself for more evidence of non backstabbing Palestinians...They are there and don't deserve to get abandoned or mixed up with the traitors.

Edited March 31, 2015 by mina313

[mina]

@Falcon

We will see what will happen with hamas and if they are as strong as you claim.

[FalconofMisk]

@mina313

Nothing will happen to Hamas. You however are only driving wedge between us. The more you do it the greater likelyhood the Palestinian will reject you. Do not confuse for us Syrians. Anyone that interferes in our internal affairs and tries destroying Hamas(having same objective of Israel) will be thrown of 15 story floor to his death.

Meanwhile you're showing true hostility of Iranians towards our people. Because Hamas didn't become Shia and proxy of Iran now you want the worst of them. So much for having a mabdah. Iranians press is already threatening Hamas, as if we care. Stop leeching on to us like bugs.

[shiasoldier786]

Mina, im sure there are quite a few decent palestinians. The issue is with the leadership. How can you forget haniyahs speech in al azhar where people were chanting against iran and hezbollah. The iranians and syrians were the only ones to offer support to these people when their own sunni arab brothers were against them. These very people mourned saddam, bin laden, supported syrian rebels, attacked ashura gatherings in gaza, refused to offer support to bahraini revolutionaries and instead supported the khalifa regime, and now this. I have always been a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause, but if they consider us the enemy, than nothing we can do.

[FalconofMisk]

By the way Iran and its allies just recently assassinated Hamas official in Syria. So much for standing up for Palestine. You don't fool anyone, it's all about Iranian imperaliast agenda.

[kamyar]

^ Brother , so you say Shias ,specially the Person on your banner, should stop supporting for Palestine cause ?

[guest102317]

(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

Shiasoldier

 

You can abandon the Palestinian cause for the sake of Shi'a blood and honour if you want. 

Your prerogative.

But those doing most to defend Shi'a blood and honour are also the ones doing most for the Palestinian cause and the maximisation of Shi'a-Sunni coexistence.

From Sayyed Khamenei in Iran to Sayyed Sistani in Iraq, from Sayyed Nasrallah in Lebanon to... here you have it... Sayyed al-Houthi in Yemen (who is also for defending Shi'a blood and honour, for the Palestinian cause, and for inter-sect peace).

So, if you as a ShiaChatter, or anybody else, wishes to be outside the fold of these mighty political currents that flow to achieving great things, then at least have the courage to see that you are excluding yourself from the powerful axis of resistance that is shaping before our eyes in the Middle East - because every river that runs into this sea, every movement that makes up the fabric of this resistance, is pro-Palestine pro-unity, and they are also at the forefront of defending Shi'i honour and blood.

And, let's not forget, they are bleeding for these aims, staking their reputation and their security.

Unlike me. I don't know about you.

 

(Wasalam)

[StrugglingForTheLight]

Why don't we call unity with the Zionist. If it's all about unity, then being united with all people is good. What does it do a difference if you hold the name "Muslim" or not. They being unjust and oppressive towards us is obvious. Why should we unite with people who are oppressive against us. If they stop their hostility, then we have a peaceful existence. Same with people of other faiths. I don't know why Sunni-Shia unity means anything when it's obvious Sunnis hate Shias more then any other faith.

[Guest silasun]

There are some people in Palestine who are corrupt but most are innocent people who want freedom from oppression. It is wrong to taint "them" under the banner of some extremist individuals. To say "The Palestinians" commit X crime is a vile statement against our Muslim brothers. To accuse an entire group or people of a grave sin like being nasibi or killing Shias (or supporting this) is definitely haram (slander) and has absolutely no basis.

 

Quite simply: We stand with those people who are trying to win back their rights that have been usurped, whether they happen to be Sunni or Shia or any other creed. 

 

I have always found it surprising how some Shia people side with the views of Yassir Habib and his like and abandon the views of literally every top Shia Marja concerning the Palestinian struggle. 

 

Mina, im sure there are quite a few decent palestinians. The issue is with the leadership. How can you forget haniyahs speech in al azhar where people were chanting against iran and hezbollah. The iranians and syrians were the only ones to offer support to these people when their own sunni arab brothers were against them. These very people mourned saddam, bin laden, supported syrian rebels, attacked ashura gatherings in gaza, refused to offer support to bahraini revolutionaries and instead supported the khalifa regime, and now this. I have always been a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause, but if they consider us the enemy, than nothing we can do.

 

Palestinians do not consider Shias as the enemy. In fact, this is a clear plot by the arrogant powers to cause the Shia people to disregard their Palestinian brothers. It is time that Muslims were not gullible and didn't fall into the lies of Al-Arabiya, Jazeera BBC and so on. They love to make a big deal over EVERYTHING which can cause Shias to hate Sunnis and Sunnis to hate Shias. Yet they never care about oppressed brothers in China, Burma, Egypt (mainly our oppressed Sunni brothers) or those in Pakistan or Iraq. Instead they spend their time spreading messages of sectarian hatred.

 

 

Why don't we call unity with the Zionist. If it's all about unity, then being united with all people is good. What does it do a difference if you hold the name "Muslim" or not. They being unjust and oppressive towards us is obvious. Why should we unite with people who are oppressive against us. If they stop their hostility, then we have a peaceful existence. Same with people of other faiths. I don't know why Sunni-Shia unity means anything when it's obvious Sunnis hate Shias more then any other faith.

 

Brother I greatly disagree. Al-Arabiya, Al-Jazeera, BBC try to make Shias think Sunnis hate them, adding fuel to a vicious cycle where everyone hates each other and the Zionist entity only grows stronger and non Muslims get scared away from islam...

 

 

It's about time Shia people started listening to what their maraji had to say about political issues and not have the arrogance to go and spread their political views which are the polar opposite of men like Ayatollah Sistani (who has managed to keep Iraq safe from civil war)...

 

 

I wonder why Shias listen to YH, Arabiya, BBC, Jazeera when they have a man like Ayatollah Sistani.

 

 

Credentials of those media sources and YH = managed to cause many Muslims to kill each other and non Muslims to hate Islam and allow USA to kill more Muslims

 

Credentials of Ayatollah Sistani= saved a fair few hundred thousand lives through his pro unity fatawi and also kicked the teeth of America when they wanted to extend their power in Iraq

 

 

 

As always though some Shia laymen seem to think they have greater political Baseerah than Ayatollah Khamenei

Edited March 31, 2015 by silasun

[Noah-]

Hamas is not split into two camps, its position is clear. It wants ties with all nations as it is a government and needs this to support the Palestinian cause. It does not want to sit exclusively in one camp. If this upsets some people, then move on with your life and leave Hamas alone.

 

 Because Iran wants Hamas as a proxy. Hamas will not play that role, Hezbollah can.

 

Iran also wants Hamas to adopt its regional positions, this is not possible either. And finally, Iran wants ideologica influence on our people. Our people reject this, we don't like anyone interfering in our personal religious affairs.

 

No offense to member 'mina33', but your information is wrong. Starting with the war, no, it's actually the armed wing of Hamas which did most of fighting on ground. Whether in Rafah or Shajajiyah or coast of Gaza city. Islamic Jihad didn't capture any soldiers or send forces across border. It was all done by Hamas. Secondly, they(Islamic Jihad) had one senior member become Shia. He left Islamic Jihad and formed his own group called Harakat Husn. It is small group and will not get big.

 

Thanks for coming, and thanks so much for all the post, especially the ones I quoted... some of our Shias here make up their own stuffs to excuse your group/country.

 

I can refute every single point of you regarding Hamas & proxy, Hamas choosing axis of monarchists/west over Iran/Syrian/Hizb, and Hamas wanting relations with them in some cases over its own ally... and you as usual, as Qassam Brigade articles online making a cheap case for Hizbullah calling it a proxy of Iran... BUT, I don't want to debate with you over any of these points... I want all other Shias to read you for themselves.

[peace seeker II]

Hey, I'm new here and stumbled upon this forum after viewing topics related to the Mahdi. Interesting forum section. I also realize there is political section and would like to clarify some things here as I happen to be Palestinian.

 

Hamas's message in Arabic states two things:

 

1. Support the 'Shar3iyah', meaning legal government and choice of Yemeni people. This is broad statement and doesn't imply support of military coalition.

2. Opposition to harming of Yemen's security. Probaby meaning no military use by all sides. This is good position.

 

 (1) Don't expect Hamas to take controversial positions in support of one side or another in a dirty regional war. Just because you have different perspective of this regional war, doesn't mean the other few hundred million Sunni Arabs share it. And we are not going to upset them in this case. I'd like to correct some misinformation here as well as I happen to be from Gaza. We have a very small number of Shia's. Our society as whole doesn't follow Shia madhab, they follow Shafiyah madhab. We don't have Husseynats either, we have mosques. Nothing more.

 

Hamas is not split into two camps, its position is clear. It wants ties with all nations as it is a government and needs this to support the Palestinian cause. It does not want to sit exclusively in one camp. If this upsets some people, then move on with your life and leave Hamas alone. Hamas has many sources and knows what it's doing. It has been managing on its own for past 4 years. Mahmoud Zahar is a public figure, he is not involved in major decision making of party. Recently there was an attempt for reconcilation process but it went downhill once again. Because Iran wants Hamas as a proxy. Hamas will not play that role, Hezbollah can. Iran also wants Hamas to adopt its regional positions, this is not possible either. And finally, Iran wants ideologica influence on our people. Our people reject this, we don't like anyone interfering in our personal religious affairs.

 

No offense to member 'mina33', but your information is wrong. Starting with the war, no, it's actually the armed wing of Hamas which did most of fighting on ground. Whether in Rafah or Shajajiyah or coast of Gaza city. Islamic Jihad didn't capture any soldiers or send forces across border. It was all done by Hamas. Secondly, they(Islamic Jihad) had one senior member become Shia. He left Islamic Jihad and formed his own group called Harakat Husn. It is small group and will not get big.

 

And anyone thinking they will try supporting Islamic Jihad to stage coup in Gaza is living in a delusional world. Hamas is the strongest and will always remain. And their popular support by far exceeds any other group. Any coup attempt will end Islamic Jihad movement for eternity, just by peoples rejection not military means. Some people say PRC and IJ will do it, PRC is largely Nassar Salah Al Din Brigades which gets weapons and is trained by Hamas. Ideologically they're very close as well. PRC will never do that. (2) The whole Resistance in Palestine will never break apart.

 

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(3) Now, ties with Iran should be political. If ideology gets in the way than we all have to move on. Past ties were past, future will be different. We can't accept situation where it is expected from us to support exclusively one axis which has a bad image in Arab world. And ethiically we can't take these positions. We aren't close ideologically, we relate politically and it should remain this way. If it doesn't then there will be no renewal of ties. Supporting Islamic Jihad won't change anything, event he support they get is small from military perspective. If people from Shia community don't like Hamas then stop mentioning Hamas and move on with your other concerns. The issue is that you keep clinging to us and claiming you still support us, but right now reality is different. I know the facts on the ground.

 

I don't mind reconcilation if based on mutual interests and able to understand our differences on some positions, this is welcomed but leadership in Iran wants otherwise.

 

If people need any more clarifications you're welcome to tag me.

 

salam alaikum,

 

i highlighted parts i would like to discuss in red:

 

1- the first two highlights contradict. First you say you wont take sides, then you say you do, in order not to upset the wahabis for instance.

 

2- if you think the resistance in palestine will "never fall apart", then you truly believe that there will be something called palestine to start with. And you are talking like your resistance is something strong, solid and permanent. Even Hamas is a new thing, which is split from the west bank palestinians, and your land is almost completely gone.

 

3- now, this is the most important one here. Saying politics and ideology is different, is the biggest illusion on earth. The whole point is to be allied with good people, and enemies with bad people. That includes the allies of your enemies, such as FSA and al Qaida, who have their sick and wounded treated in Israel. These people are allied with Israel, just like your wahabi friends, and you think that this has anything to do with shia and suni? This has to do with making friends with the devil, while letting down those who truly supported you and your resistance. Such as Bashar al Assad, who hosted the Hamas HQ. Politics and ideology are the same.

 

Now there is plenty of evidence online showing that Hamas was created by Isreal and US, to balance the Palestinian Authority. Just google "Isreal created Hamas", then it is of no surprise that Hamas takes the "political" side with zionists, who are supposedly their enemies. When we look at Hamas politically, they are in fact allied with Israel, which is shown in their alliances with FSA (who are also backed by US), wahabis (also installed by the same forces who installed zionist entity), and now of course that new cowardly alliance killing yemenis in yemen. This is the ideological fact of the matter. Somebody like Hugo Chavez was ideologically closer to Iran than Hamas. Ideology is the direction of Politics. 

 

I'm not part of the Iranian government, and i'm not sayid Khamenei, so my opinions don't matter much in this. Personally i might do different things, and treat Hamas differently than my shia brothers in Iran, but whatever decision they make, i will support ideologically. in sha Allah ..

 

But one thing i believe is true: the palestinians have to get rid and beat their own demons to get out of this, and reclaim what is theirs. Those demons happen to be Arab zionist leaders, they support. Arab leaders who have been installed by palestinian-hating forces, and act as puppets for political ideologies that only will cause further zulm to the palestinian cause ..

[FalconofMisk]

@peace seeker

1. We are not explicity cheering for either side. We are calling for end to hostilities on focus on common enemy.However, Iran and shia are purely on one side and wishing them success. While Saudi Arabia and Arab Gulf nations are on the other and portraying Shia as enemies of Arabs. Both these sides have brought a sectarian war where now people are discussing invading Saudi Arabia and causing destruction to it. That's their number one target, not Israel.

2. Hamas will never fall until we make Bayah to Imam Mahdi. Hamas has popular support and imaan. No matter what happens on military level, it will never dissappear as a movement. Nobody said we are superpower, we don't look at everything from military perspective.

3. No comment here, I'm not naive person and won't respond to irrelevant childish narratives which have no relation to topic.

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Same with your second paragraph. Hamas wasn't created by neither. It was a social movement of small group of people which was allowed to operate. Hamas is the number one enemy of Israelis. Israelis don't buy Iran's rhetoric and they've seen how Hezbollah will not attack Israel and is rather consumed in Iraq, Syria, Bahrain and in future Yemen. You need to relook your priorities. They are specific political priorities which only benefit Iranians. They're not done for Islam, otherwise Iran would have Sunni allies. Do you notice that Shia put most of their dawah effort with Arab Sunnis? That's not coincidental. If receiving Allah's acceptance is about rebuilding Persian empire than you need to ask yourself if you're really trying to achieve that. It doesn't take a genius to what Iran is trying to achieve and this is why it lost much support in Arab world.

As for Arab leaders, I'm assuming you're refering to Saudi Arabia. That's their peoples choice to decide. And trust me though, the alternative will not be embracing Iranian ideology. On contrary it will be bad for Iran.

The Palestinian cause itself is whole other discussion. I'm not here to discuss how the region should be reformed. I just wanted to clarify some things.

If Iran led axis and Palestinians part. Then there's no reason to become enemies. We had our time and things are changing, if they change forever then we move on and respect each other but remain concentrated on our causes. I will not mind that.

[Sisters In Islam]

No. 1 : No matter Sunni or Shia. We should support the truth. 

No. 2 : The truth is Saudi (along with 8 arab countries) is invading Yemen instead of Israel. 

No. 3 : Make a choice. To support Saudi or to support the oppressed nation of Palestine

 

We as Muslims have one common basic principle. That is to help the oppressed and to fight the oppressors. 

 

Those people who claim themselves to be the Syiah/follower of Aali Muhammad, they better learn from their Aimmah, the way they behave towards many kinds of people. We will see that Aimmah always view the unity of Ummah as number one. And Aimmah will tolerate many types of people instead of shunning them away.

 

Alhamdulillah great to see comments posted by some of our brothers/sisters here who give us a reminder of the enemies plot which is to create hatred among Sunni and Shia. A great reminder indeed. 

[Noah-]

Falcon, one word for you: if Hamas or anyone of you had "Imaan", you would never supported a butcher like Saddam or a brutal killer like 'Al-zarqawi' and took part in Muslim conflicts sending bombers.... YES YOU, you say you only focus on Israel... but there are hundreds of ppl coming from your side exploding bombings from Beirut to Baghdad, even suicide attacks....Until today you are grateful to the mass-murderer Saddam because he gave you some money while oppressing his own ppl, but how come the same formula does not apply to Assad?

 

And by the way, you make it sound like there are 4 sides... Zionists side, opposition to Zionists, and then Sunni vs Shia sides... THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. There is only two! You fail to see it. 1. Zionists and their puppets (most of them Sunni countries whether you like or not) and 2. Those who oppose Zionists/puppets (most of those who oppose them are Shias whether you like or not). You on the other hand, when you need Iranian/Syrian/Hizb money, weapons and political support, you come to the anti-Zionist camp... But, when there is a war of sectarian propagated by Zionist puppets like Saudi or Gulf states, you go and side within the same line as ISRAEL and western Zionists. Now, tell me, where is a good explanation to ever give us a justification that you are supposed to take side of Israel because Saudi and Egypt (who by the way declared you as terrorist groups) and attack your own allies?

 

Targeting the Syrian government has nothing to with Shias or even Alawites, they even don't make 10% of the population, and it has absolutely nothing to do with converting Sunnis to Shia Islam.. it is all about breaking up any helping aids to the ungrateful and fool masses on your side and destroy the cause of Palestinian freedom forever. If you are so pissed about Sunnis becoming Shia, why you are so quiet and act like cowards in Sunni world where millions of Sunnis in North Africa convert to Christianity?

 

I would never believe in your 'fake cause' and I would never believe anyone who follows personalities like Yazeed, Muhawiya, Wahab Al Najdi, Ibn Taimiya to fight for justice or liberate ppl from oppression.

 

After all good to have you here, you are an example of the so called "good Palestinians" where most Shias on this forum are fooled about want to advertise for their blind support for your groups.

Edited April 1, 2015 by Noah-

[peace seeker II]

@FalconofMisk ..

 

interesting that Hamas's new HQ is based in a country that is buddies with zionist Americans, isn't it?

 

 

Beginning in 1992, Qatar has built intimate military ties with the United States, and is now the location of U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center.

The following American bases currently^[when?] exist:

• Al Udeid Air Base
• As Sayliyah Army Base
• Doha International Air Base

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93United_States_relations

 

it just happens to be that Qatar is even occupied by zionist America, who have unwavering support for Israel .. check your own priorities.

 

And french foreign minister here is confessing to the true reason why the Syrian onslaught began:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2AAh06I

 

interesting that Hamas will jump boat here, and suddenly support the pro-zionist Qatar now, and take them as their new friends/protectors/waly

 

O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you ruin.  3:118

 

ironic that Hamas will take American puppets who never gave a bullet to them as friends and go to war against those that hosted them, and gave them real support. keep uttering your sectarian nonsense.

 

you said Iran is doing so much dawa in suni world. can you bring evidence for this, from non-wahabi, non-zionist gossip pages? some concrete evidence?

 

 

do you have evidence and proof that Israel did not create Hamas? Here check it out:

 

 

It also obscures Hamas's curious history. To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc

 

I wonder how many palestinian "fighter" are in Israeli field hospitals right now, or sitting in CIA offices in Qatar, taking orders .. from people who share the same ideology as Israelis .. something you see as childish and having nothing to do with politics :D you're funny man!

 

i don't know how much you fear Allah, but if you do, then better not keep talking against the truth here. Just forget and get over your obsession with shia suni issues for now. just look at it politically.

 

Politically, Hamas is allied with those who are puppets of zionists, and Hamas has chosen to neglect those who are anti zionist. Somebody like Hamas should not think beyond zionist cause, and support anybody who stands with them against it. And not go hide under the wing of their own enemies.

[FalconofMisk]

Again, two childish and immature posters vaunting off their rhetoric. And unfounded childish allegations. So not worth responding to someone who claims to be expert at politics while trolling.

[FalconofMisk]

It's hilarious that a man living in West is rambling about 'Zionist America'. The same 'Zionist America' that worked with Iran in Afghanistan and same 'Zionist America' which gave power to Shias in Iraq. And jointly openned Abu Gharib prison to torture same common enemy. Meanwhile Hezbollah has peace with Israel for 10 years now. All the rhetoric about Israel/Zionist America is for domestic consumption. Also as a strategy to take over Arab world by demonizing Arabs as collaborators and discrediting them on political basis. All we hear is rhetoric against US/Israel but only attacks against Arab Sunnis. Meanwhile Iran if given what it wants will enter strategic agreement with US and become allies. Shia have never combatted the Crusaders/Zionists as you call them. Besides Hezbollah in Lebanon. The people Shia curse (Umar Ibn Khattab, Salah Al Din) were the ones who fought the Crusaders and Zionists.

Nevertheless funny post by peaceseeker. In the end, we know the rhetoric is meaningless and true target is Mecca and Madina. Because twelver Shias oppose Islam and stand up for Persianism. It's not rocket science. Yet you have decency to brand other Arabs as collaborators because they don't engage in war with superpower right away which will easily destroy them.

[Guest silasun]

Falcon, one word for you: if Hamas or anyone of you had "Imaan", you would never supported a butcher like Saddam or a brutal killer like 'Al-zarqawi' and took part in Muslim conflicts sending bombers.... YES YOU, you say you only focus on Israel... but there are hundreds of ppl coming from your side exploding bombings from Beirut to Baghdad, even suicide attacks....Until today you are grateful to the mass-murderer Saddam because he gave you some money while oppressing his own ppl, but how come the same formula does not apply to Assad?

 

And by the way, you make it sound like there are 4 sides... Zionists side, opposition to Zionists, and then Sunni vs Shia sides... THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. There is only two! You fail to see it. 1. Zionists and their puppets (most of them Sunni countries whether you like or not) and 2. Those who oppose Zionists/puppets (most of those who oppose them are Shias whether you like or not). You on the other hand, when you need Iranian/Syrian/Hizb money, weapons and political support, you come to the anti-Zionist camp... But, when there is a war of sectarian propagated by Zionist puppets like Saudi or Gulf states, you go and side within the same line as ISRAEL and western Zionists. Now, tell me, where is a good explanation to ever give us a justification that you are supposed to take side of Israel because Saudi and Egypt (who by the way declared you as terrorist groups) and attack your own allies?

 

Targeting the Syrian government has nothing to with Shias or even Alawites, they even don't make 10% of the population, and it has absolutely nothing to do with converting Sunnis to Shia Islam.. it is all about breaking up any helping aids to the ungrateful and fool masses on your side and destroy the cause of Palestinian freedom forever. If you are so pissed about Sunnis becoming Shia, why you are so quiet and act like cowards in Sunni world where millions of Sunnis in North Africa convert to Christianity?

 

I would never believe in your 'fake cause' and I would never believe anyone who follows personalities like Yazeed, Muhawiya, Wahab Al Najdi, Ibn Taimiya to fight for justice or liberate ppl from oppression.

 

After all good to have you here, you are an example of the so called "good Palestinians" where most Shias on this forum are fooled about want to advertise for their blind support for your groups.

Dear brother Noah

 

Please stop being aggressive to those who have different views to you and are of different Islamic schools of thought. Whatever the case: we will never invite other people to our school of thought without debating with good ethics in the manner prescribed by the Prophet and Ahlulbayt (as). I highly doubt any Sunni brother will see the light of the Imams to the same degree of the Shias if we speak with them in a tone which makes them think: 

 

"oh, this is how the followers of the Ahlulbayt (as) speak with others. What dreadful Imams (auzoobillah) they must have had for this to be the akhlaaq with which they debate".

 

It is better if we take time before posting and think to ourselves:

 

• Would our Prophet (pbuh) use that language?
• How is it going to make our madhab look?
• Am I being slanderous in saying all or most individuals of a society or madhab are nasibi, murderers etc. without having real evidence to show ALL of them are like that (or am I just listening to some individuals with loud voices?) (this is not about the quoted post but about one you made earlier in the thread which i quoted).

I hope you take the time to read about and ponder on what I said.

 

 

Wasalaam

[Noah-]

^What kind of language exactly?

 

Imam Hussein (as) said "no" to humiliation, yet many Shias accept that (humiliation), always being apologetic and then name it good akhlaaq?

 

I did NOT say anything bad or in any bad tone! Did you ever read his repply (arrogantly) spreading his statements!

 

Plz... I don't welcome such statements whoever you are. You are more than welcome to use whatever type of Akhlaaq, tone or language you want for your own replies and remarks. I am responsible for my own wordings and I am not a child.

 

Thank you,

Edited April 1, 2015 by Noah-