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Umar Burnt Fatima's House According To Bukhari ?

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JazakAllah Khair I forget to add that part

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It is narrated in many shia books I will mention a few

1) Ibn Qawlawayh narrated in his book ‘Kamilul Ziyarat’ in a reliable hadith from Hammad Bin ‘Uthman from Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s.): On the night of the Prophet’s ascension, it was said to him (the Prophet): “Allah will test you in three things” and he started counting them… then he said “as for your daughter, she will be oppressed and deprived (of her right) and her right (to Fadak) that you will give to her will be seized from her and she will be hit while she is pregnant, and her house (and privacy of her family) will be entered without permission, then weakness and humiliation will be inflicted upon her and she will not be able to prevent it, and she will miscarry her baby from all the hits she will suffer, and she will die as a result of those hits … and the murder of Muhassan bin Ali will be the first crime that the killer (Umar) will be accountable, and then Qunfuth, so they will both attend (the judgement).” (Kamilul Ziyarat 232)

2) Yunus bin Ya’qub has narrated from Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s.) that the Imam said: O Yunus! My grandfather the Messenger of Allah said “Cursed is the one who will oppress my daughter Fatima after I die, and seize her right and kill her!” (Kanzul Fawa-id 1:149)

3) Al-Kulayni has narrated from Abi Basir from Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s.) who said: Amir Al-mumineen (i.e. Imam Ali) said: “Your miscarried babies whom you do not name before they die, will meet you on the Day of Judgement, and the baby will ask it’s father “Did you not give me a name?” Verily the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) named Muhassan before he was to be born.” (Al-Kafi 6:18)

4) Muhammad bin Harun Al-Talakbari has narrated in a reliable narration from Abi Basir from Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s.) who said: Fatima was born on the twentieth day of Jamadil-akhira, forty-five years after the birth of the Prophet. And the cause of her death was that Qunfuth, the slave of the man (i.e. Abu Bakr), by the command of his master (Abu Bakr), hit her with his sword, from which she miscarried Muhassan, and she became severely ill from this event. And she did not allow anyone of those whom harmed her to enter her house. There were two of the companions of the Prophet (i.e. Umar and Abu Bakr) who asked Amir Al-mumineen (Imam Ali) to intercede on their behalf (and ask Fatima to allow them to enter). He (Imam Ali) asked her and she permitted (for them to enter). When they entered, they remarked “How are you O daughter of the Messenger of Allah?” She replied “I am well, praise to Allah”. Then she told them both, “Have you not heard the Prophet say “Fatima is a part of me, whosoever hurts her has in fact hurt me, and whoever hurts me has in fact hurt Allah”?” They both affirmed that. She said “I swear by Allah that you have both hurt me.” So they both left the house and she was displeased with them. (Dala-il Al-Imamah 45)

5) Sayyed Bin Tawoos has narrated in his book Al-Turaf on the authority of Imam Al-Kathim (a.s.) who said: When the Messenger of Allah was in the last stages of his life, he summoned people of the Ansar and told them “Verily Fatima’s door is my door and her house is my house, whosoever violates it has in fact violated the sanctity of Allah.” The Imam cried for a while and could not continue his words, then he said: “I swear by Allah, the sanctity of Allah has been violated! I swear by Allah, the sanctity of Allah has been violated! I swear by Allah, the sanctity of Allah has been violated! O my mother, blessings of Allah upon her!” (Bihar Al-Anwar 22:476).

As for it being in Bukhari and Muslim I already said that i have never came across it and another member said it wasn't there so if one members say its then you don't have to attribute to everyone as being a liar

 

so just because everyone starts telling a lie, it becomes true by default ??? all the five references you showed above in your posts are from books written in 8th-9th century (one in the 18th century) which copied this incident from the book of Sulaym bin Qays al Hilali because he or ibn Abban was the first to mention it in their book so it doesn`t matter how many latter references you show because they are simply taken from people narrated it from Sulaym bin Qays book.

 

it all starts from the book of Sulaym bin Qays al hilali about which nobody is even sure if he himself wrote it or not and it is believed that Abban ibn abi Ayyash had fabricated his work and credited it to Sulaym. everyone including shia scholars say Abban had a weak memory and his narrations cannot be trusted. many of his contemporaries even said that he was a liar. you should know this better than me because you take your beliefs from these books.

 

i don`t know what you were saying at the end of your post because i didn`t called anyone a liar, perhaps it was not directed on me.

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so just because everyone starts telling a lie, it becomes true by default ??? all the five references you showed above in your posts are from books written in 8th-9th century (one in the 18th century) which copied this incident from the book of Sulaym bin Qays al Hilali because he or ibn Abban was the first to mention it in their book so it doesn`t matter how many latter references you show because they are simply taken from people narrated it from Sulaym bin Qays book.

it all starts from the book of Sulaym bin Qays al hilali about which nobody is even sure if he himself wrote it or not and it is believed that Abban ibn abi Ayyash had fabricated his work and credited it to Sulaym. everyone including shia scholars say Abban had a weak memory and his narrations cannot be trusted. many of his contemporaries even said that he was a liar. you should know this better than me because you take your beliefs from these books.

i don`t know what you were saying at the end of your post because i didn`t called anyone a liar, perhaps it was not directed on me.

Please then go ahead and tell how Fatima (A) died so young . I was once told by a sunni she cried so much that she became weak and died. I would to know how do sunnis think she died so young?

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People died young all the time back in those days ...esp women and children

(Salam)

Yes they would die young from disease, starvation and murder(like the time of jahiliya)

Fatima did not have a disease, wasn't facing death from starvation. Thanks brother you helped me concluded that Fatima ( A) was murdered.

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(salam)

Yes they would die young from disease, starvation and murder(like the time of jahiliya)

Fatima did not have a disease, wasn't facing death from starvation. Thanks brother you helped me concluded that Fatima ( A) was murdered.

 

you came to this conclusion based on what ??? on your speculations ??? you have no firm evidence to support this yet you want to accuse someone of murderer, you will be held accountable for this if your allegations are not true, where they are, false fabricated lies from a book authored by  Abban ibn abi Ayyash.

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(salam)

Yes they would die young from disease, starvation and murder(like the time of jahiliya)

Fatima did not have a disease, wasn't facing death from starvation. Thanks brother you helped me concluded that Fatima ( A) was murdered.

 

you are accusing someone of murder based on your speculations, what are you going to say in front Allah subhana watala when he asks you about this ??? what proof do you have that she (May Allah be well pleased with her) was murdered other than that fabricated work of Abban ibn abi Ayyash the liar ??? 

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you are accusing someone of murder based on your speculations, what are you going to say in front Allah subhana watala when he asks you about this ??? what proof do you have that she (May Allah be well pleased with her) was murdered other than that fabricated work of Abban ibn abi Ayyash the liar ???

Many sunnis report this such as tabari. So you accusing tabari of lying.

Please I have answered this question a millon times just from now on use this website

http://www.askthesheikh.com/can-you-provide-reliable-shiasunni-sources-on-martyrdom-of-lady-fatima-al-zahra-a-s/

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Many sunnis report this such as tabari. So you accusing tabari of lying.

Please I have answered this question a millon times just from now on use this website

http://www.askthesheikh.com/can-you-provide-reliable-shiasunni-sources-on-martyrdom-of-lady-fatima-al-zahra-a-s/

 

so just because tabari was a Sunni he cannot make any mistake in his history book ??? and just because someone degrees with you on something does it mean he/she is calling you a liar ??? what kind of reasoning is this brother ?

 

scholars have disagreed with each other since the start, it`s not something uncommon as i can show you many of the Shiite Scholars disagreeing with each other on various religious issues. i hope i won`t be asked to show examples as there are plenty of those on every corner.

 

your arguments is weak from the start because history books are not Hadith books, they don`t have a strong chain of narratiors for most of the things mentioned in them. so just because Tabari or anyone in the world writes something that happened hundreds of years before they lived, doesn`t makes it true by default just because they wrote it in their books. 

 

i again ask you to do some research and try to find this incident in the early shia books, i`m telling you brother you won`t find it anywhere else before it was fabricated in the Book of Sulaym bin Qays al Hilali  by the liar Abban ibn abi Ayyash. 

 

and just to get you started here`s a Shia scholar explaining the real reason why Umar Al Farooq (RA) is hated so much in Iran.

 

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and just to get you started here`s a Shia scholar explaining the real reason why Umar Al Farooq (ra) is hated so much in Iran.

 

 

This man is not a Muslim. He insults the Allah, the Qur'an, Islam etc...

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As for the marriage that you say happened between Umm Khalthoom and Umar it has already been disproved by using only sunni sources:

http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/books/encyclopedia/chapter5a/9.html

As for sunnis always calling Imam Ali(A) a coward I have already answered it in an earlier post:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235027487-thinking-to-be-shia/page-2#entry2789561

Hmm... you just outmatched the narrations of kulayni, Tusi, Mufid, Murtaza, Amili, Majlisi, Shostri, the mighty scholars with your tiny calculator by selective date picking. There has always been differences in dates of important Islamic events... i believe that people don't even know exactly the day when Fatima (as) passed away. 

 

Read again...your link is irrelevant.

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so just because tabari was a Sunni he cannot make any mistake in his history book ??? and just because someone degrees with you on something does it mean he/she is calling you a liar ??? what kind of reasoning is this brother ?

scholars have disagreed with each other since the start, it`s not something uncommon as i can show you many of the Shiite Scholars disagreeing with each other on various religious issues. i hope i won`t be asked to show examples as there are plenty of those on every corner.

your arguments is weak from the start because history books are not Hadith books, they don`t have a strong chain of narratiors for most of the things mentioned in them. so just because Tabari or anyone in the world writes something that happened hundreds of years before they lived, doesn`t makes it true by default just because they wrote it in their books.

i again ask you to do some research and try to find this incident in the early shia books, i`m telling you brother you won`t find it anywhere else before it was fabricated in the Book of Sulaym bin Qays al Hilali by the liar Abban ibn abi Ayyash.

and just to get you started here`s a Shia scholar explaining the real reason why Umar Al Farooq (RA) is hated so much in Iran.

(Salam)

Brother you are really funny you said just because tabari said something doesn't make it true, but when ONE shia scholar says something it suddenly becomes the pilars of the shia faith. You still haven't answered my question why did Fatima die so young?

Once someone answers that question with sources from ANY book maybe we can discuss this properly

Hmm... you just outmatched the narrations of kulayni, Tusi, Mufid, Murtaza, Amili, Majlisi, Shostri, the mighty scholars with your tiny calculator by selective date picking. There has always been differences in dates of important Islamic events... i believe that people don't even know exactly the day when Fatima (as) passed away.

Read again...your link is irrelevant.

(Salam)

Please quote these references from Tutsi and others so we can actually debating rather than saying "if" this hadith exist and so on

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(Salam)

Yes they would die young from disease, starvation and murder(like the time of jahiliya)

Fatima did not have a disease, wasn't facing death from starvation. Thanks brother you helped me concluded that Fatima ( A) was murdered.

How about diabetesDKA ? Pulmonary embolism ? Postpartum hemorrhage? Lots of causes of preventable disease which would be undetectable at thst time

I think you need to look at the bigger picture here

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How about diabetesDKA ? Pulmonary embolism ? Postpartum hemorrhage? Lots of causes of preventable disease which would be undetectable at thst time

I think you need to look at the bigger picture here

If she died from some disease there would at least be a hadith about it and they would of know she had a disease as she would of shown some signs of pain. The only thing I'm asking is how she died so young it's a simple question that every Muslim should know about Fatima (A) and be able to back up with hadiths

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You think there are hadith for every historical detail ? Unfortunately there are not esp when it comes to private lives and of female companions

(Salam)

If the death of The most beloved women to Prophet Muhammad (S) isn't in hadith i dont know what to say.

it only takes a baby to realize that either you hate Fatima or someone is hiding something from you thus making you confused

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