Sunni's Are Not Our Brothers

guest050817 · March 27, 2015

they are ourselves.

Ayatullah Sistani (may Allah swt prolong his life!) on the participation of sunni muslims in government: “participate and work with them , and don’t call them ‘our brothers’ but say “ourselves” and work with them through this path”

Edited March 27, 2015 by Tawheed313

myGod · March 27, 2015

In His Name

Such thoughtful Marja we ask Allah to prolong his life

Sumerian · March 27, 2015

May Allah bless him. Words of wisdom.

Edited March 27, 2015 by al-Ibrahimi

repenter-gone4awhile · March 27, 2015

May Allah bless him. Words of wisdom.

not sure if serious......

**Khadim uz Zahra** · March 27, 2015

Maybe you should change the title. When I read, "Sunnis are not our brothers", I came in expecting an attack on Shia-Sunni unity but, instead, the actual content promotes coexistence among the two to a supreme level.

Sumerian · March 27, 2015

not sure if serious......

100% serious, by Allah.

**Akbar673** · March 27, 2015

Beautiful words from him.

Too bad Sunni don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Even worse is that have any of their leading scholars made such a statement? Good luck finding one because I don't know of any.

Like I mentioned in the other thread...a peaceful coexistence is the best we can hope for.

Zaydif74 · March 27, 2015

_{I just posted this very comment on one of the other posts but seems like a very genuine reply for this post as well.}

_{Sunnis are not the problem. We have/had our differences between Sunni and Shia, but have lived together for 1400+ years. So personally I don't consider Sunnis to be an issue. They are Muslims and are free to follow the Khulufa if they think that is the correct path to Nabi (pbuh).The problem is the disease that exists within Sunnis and yes it is from Sunnis, comes out of Sunnis and Sunnis are the ones that get it. Its called TAKFIRISM and it raises its head every now and then where normal Sunnis mutate into animals called Takfiris and declare us Shia Kafir and start killing us brutally. They will kill us, our women, our children, everyone. Now a days they are backed by Petro dollars by Aale-pigs.}

_{Our enemies were/are not Sunnis but were/are and will always be Takfiris and if I had my way, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever join hands with Takfiris. There is only one remedy to this non-reversible disease and that is to exterminate them completely OR they can stay away from us and leave us alone COMPLETELY.}

_REMEMBER:

_{NOT EVERY SUNNI IS A TAKFIRI BUT EVERY TAKFIRI IS A SUNNI - Similarly}

_{NOT EVERY SUNNI IS AN ISIS/LeJ/TTP BUT EVERY ISIS/LeJ/TTP IS A SUNNI}

Edited March 27, 2015 by Zaydif74

Hussain Abbas. · March 27, 2015

Are you all serious?!

This word is controversial!!

**Muhammed Ali** · March 27, 2015

According to YH, "they are ourselves" is probably in reference to shia. Meaning: Don't call them (sunnis) our brothers, rather say they (the brothers) are ourselves (the shia).

maes · March 27, 2015

View of true Shias about Ahlul Sunnah is the view of their Imams.

From the book of Kafi.

تنظرون إلى أئمتكم الذين تقتدون بهم فتصنعون ما يصنعون،
فوالله إنهم ليعودون مرضاهم ، ويشهدون جنائزهم ، ويقيمون الشهادة لهم وعليهم ، ويؤدو الأمانة إليهم
الكافي - الشيخ الكليني، ج2، ص636

Imam Jafar ibn Muhammad says : Regarding Ahlul Sunnah do what your Imams do, swear to God your Imams would go to visit them when they are ill, they attend their funerals and ..........

صلوا عشائركم و اشهدوا جنائزهم و عودوا مرضاهم و أدوا حقوقهم فان الرجل منكم اذا ورع فى دينه و صدق الحديث و أدّى الامانة و حسن خلقه مع الناس قيل هذا جعفرى فيسرّنى ذلك .
الكافي - الشيخ الكليني ج2، ص 636

Imam Jafar ibn Muhammad says : Regarding Ahlul-Sunnah go visit their ill people, and preserve their rights, and be kind to the people .....
this is what makes me happy and this is a true Jafari.

Edited March 27, 2015 by maes

strength=Abbas · March 27, 2015

According to YH, "they are ourselves" is probably in reference to shia. Meaning: Don't call them (sunnis) our brothers, rather say they (the brothers) are ourselves (the shia).

Ok. But why?! It s not usual!!!

Mohammed72 · March 27, 2015

I think we have to take these hadiths in to consideration aswell

[297] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب، عن محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن صفوان بن يحيى، عن العلاء بن رزين، عن محمد بن مسلم قال: سمعت أبا جعفر ( عليه السلام ) يقول: كل من دان الله عز وجل بعبادة يجهد فيها نفسه ولا إمام له من الله فسعيه غير مقبول، وهو ضال متحير، والله شانئ لأعماله ـ إلى أن قال ـ وإن مات على هذه الحال مات ميتة كفر ونفاق، واعلم يا محمد، أن أئمة الجور وأتباعهم لمعزولون عن دين الله، قد ضلوا وأضلوا، فأعمالهم التي يعملونها كرماد اشتدت به الريح في يوم عاصف، لا يقدرون مما كسبوا على شيء، ذلك هو الضلال البعيد.

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Muhammad b. al-Husayn from Safwan b. Yahya from al-`Ala b. Razin from Muhammad b. Muslim. He said: I heard Abu Ja`far عليه السلام saying: Everyone who professes (belief in) Allah عزوجل with worship in which he himself strives, but he has no Imam from Allah, then his effort is not accepted, and he is astray and confused, and Allah hates his acts – until he said: And if he died upon this state, he died a death of kufr and hypocrisy. And know, O Muhammad, that the imams of tyranny and their followers are expelled from the religion of Allah. They have gone astray and have led astray, so their acts which they performed are as ash that the wind disperses in a stormy day; no power have they over aught that they have earned. That is the far straying.

[298] 2 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه وعن عبدالله بن الصلت جميعا، عن حماد بن عيسى، عن حريز بن عبدالله، عن زرارة، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) ـ في حديث ـ قال: ذروة الأمر، وسنامه، ومفتاحه، وباب الأشياء، ورضى الرحمن، الطاعة للامام بعد معرفته، أما لو أن رجلا قام ليله، وصام نهاره، وتصدق بجميع ماله، وحج جميع دهره، ولم يعرف ولاية ولي الله فيواليه، ويكون جميع أعماله بدلالته إليه، ما كان له على الله حق في ثوابه، ولا كان من أهل الإيمان.

ورواه البرقي في ( المحاسن ) عن عبدالله بن الصلت بالإسناد .

2 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father, and from `Abdullah b. as-Salt, all from Hammad b. `Isa from Hariz b. `Abdullah from Zurara from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: The summit of the affair, its hump, its key, the gate of things, and the satisfaction of the Rahman, is the obedience to the Imam after his recognition. Were a man to rise up (in) his night, fast (in) his day, give charity by all of his property, do hajj all of his age, and he did not recognize the walaya of the Wali of Allah and give loyalty to him, and that all of his acts be by his guidance to him, he has no right upon Allah in regards to his reward, and he is not from the people of Iman.

And al-Barqi narrated it in al-Mahasin from `Abdullah b. as-Salt by the isnad.

[299] 3 ـ وعن عدة من أصحابنا، عن سهل بن زياد، عن محمد بن سليمان، عن أبيه، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) ـ في حديث ـ قال: من لم يأت الله عز وجل يوم القيامة بما أنتم عليه لم تقبل منه حسنة، ولم يتجاوز له عن سيئة.

3 – And from a number of our companions from Sahl b. Ziyad from Muhammad b. Sulayman from his father from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: One who does not come to Allah عزوجل on the Day of the Resurrection with what you (pl.) are upon, not a good deed is accepted from him, and not a bad deed is overlooked for him.

[300] 4 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد، عن يونس ـ في حديث ـ قال أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) لعباد بن كثير: إعلم أنه لا يتقبل الله منك شيئا حتى تقول قولأ عدلا.

4 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa b. `Ubayd from Yunus in a hadith wherein he said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said to `Abbad b. Kathir: Know that Allah does not accept anything from you until you say a just saying (i.e. profess a just doctrine).

[301] 5 ـ وعن محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، وعن عدة من أصحابنا، عن سهل بن زياد جميعا، عن الحسن بن محبوب، عن هشام بن سالم، عن عبد الحميد بن أبي العلاء، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) ـ في حديث ـ قال: والله لو أن إبليس سجد لله بعد المعصية والتكبر عمر الدنيا ما نفعه ذلك، ولا قبله الله عز وجل، ما لم يسجد لآدم كما أمره الله عز وجل أن يسجد له، وكذلك هذه الأمة العاصية، المفتونة (1) بعد نبيها ( صلى الله عليه وآله )، وبعد تركهم الإمام الذي نصبه نبيهم ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) لهم، فلن يقبل الله لهم عملا، ولن يرفع لهم حسنة، حتى يأتوا الله من حيث أمرهم، ويتولوا الامام الذي أمروا بولايته، ويدخلوا من الباب الذي فتحه الله ورسوله لهم.

5 – And from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad, and from number of our companions from Sahl b. Ziyad, all from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Hisham b. Salim from `Abd al-Hamid b. Abi ‘l-A`la from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: By Allah, were Iblis to have prostrated to Allah after the sin and arrogance (for) the lifespan of the world that would not have benefited him, and Allah عزوجل would not have accepted him, so long as he had not prostrated to Adam as Allah عزوجل had commanded him to prostrate to him. And likewise is this rebellious Umma, in fitna (al-maftuna) after its Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله, and after their abandonment of the Imam whom their Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله had appointed for them. So Allah will never accept an act from them, and never raise up a good deed for them, until they come to Allah from whence He commanded them, and give loyalty to the Imam by whose walaya they were commanded, and enter from the gate that Allah and His Messenger opened for them.

[302] 6 ـ وعنه، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن محبوب، عن عمرو بن أبي المقدام، عن جابر، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) ـ فى حديث ـ قال: من لا يعرف الله، وما يعرف الإمام منا أهل البيت، فإنما يعرف ويعبد غير الله، هكذا والله ضلالا.

6 – And from him from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from `Amr b. Abi ‘l-Miqdam from Jabir from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: One who does not recognize Allah, and does not recognize the Imam from us, the Ahl al-Bayt, then he has only recognized and worshiped other than Allah. Such, by Allah, is a straying.

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/preliminaries/chapter-29

**Muhammed Ali** · March 27, 2015

Are you all serious?!
This word is controversial!!

Are you Life=Abbas?

Edited March 27, 2015 by Muhammed Ali

**Khadim uz Zahra** · March 27, 2015

^ @ Muhammad Ali, I didn't quite understand the quote from YH (I'm assuming Yassir Habib). Can you please explain?

@ Others

Exactly what is so controversial about this? He's telling people to get along, especially Iraqi people because they can't afford to be divided over sectarian lines today, and they are one. Because they are one group (Shias and Sunnis) fighting against ISIS, working to create a new and better government for themselves. As such, they, the Iraqis, are not brothers and brothers but, instead, one group itself.

Even if you interpret these words in a general context, outside of Iraq, exactly what's so bad about it? Obviously we have our differences and, as one of the most conservative of our Maraja, he is obviously not going that we disregard them but getting along, acting like one entity for the sake of the betterment of Muslims, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, even if the others were non-Muslims and Christians or Jews or Hindus or what not, acting as one group to work toward the betterment of all humans, learning to coexist is a fundamental message in Islam so exactly what is so controversial about it?

Mohammed72 · March 27, 2015

@ Others
Exactly what is so controversial about this? He's telling people to get along, especially Iraqi people because they can't afford to be divided over sectarian lines today, and they are one. Because they are one group (Shias and Sunnis) fighting against ISIS, working to create a new and better government for themselves. As such, they, the Iraqis, are not brothers and brothers but, instead, one group itself.
Even if you interpret these words in a general context, outside of Iraq, exactly what's so bad about it? Obviously we have our differences and, as one of the most conservative of our Maraja, he is obviously not going that we disregard them but getting along, acting like one entity for the sake of the betterment of Muslims, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, even if the others were non-Muslims and Christians or Jews or Hindus or what not, acting as one group to work toward the betterment of all humans, learning to coexist is a fundamental message in Islam so exactly what is so controversial about it?

I am not trying to make a problem I just wanted to know the place of these hadiths can someone please clarify them

mina · March 27, 2015

According to YH, "they are ourselves" is probably in reference to shia. Meaning: Don't call them (sunnis) our brothers, rather say they (the brothers) are ourselves (the shia).

I didn't understand that as well.Would you mind to explain it again please?

StrugglingForTheLight · March 27, 2015

I always respect it when our leaders try to do unity, but, I'm out on this one. I am no longer in the pro unity stance. We should work with those willing to work with us, but, I am not going to confuse those few people with the general populace which from the time of Ali till now, are anything but just.

Al-Englisi · March 27, 2015

YH is saying that what Sayyid Sistani (h) actually meant was "Sunni are not our brothers (do not consider them as such), our (only and real) brothers our ourselves, the Shiite". - He is claiming that Sayyid Sistani used Tawriyyah in his wording.

**Akbar673** · March 27, 2015

Unity = Not possible.

Peaceful Coexistence = Extremely possible

The point I'm trying to make is that Shia Sunni unity is a thing which Shia dream of, and to a degree crave, however Sunni do not want this nor do they desire it. Lets not fool ourselves here.

Which era of history do we need to look at? You'll find the same result at all times. Sunni slaughter of Shia. The reasons as to why are a debate all unto themselves. Politics? Yes. Monetary gain? Yes. Power? Yes. Even today's events involving Yemen are all for Saudi's economic benefit. However, there's always been a reason for Sunni to attack Shia and its always been for their own benefit in some way.

Why should we unite with those that have had so little disregard for us that they would watch our blood flow? I'm quite certain that throughout history Shia have always wanted unity. I'm certain there is also a number of Sunni that have wanted it as well, but to be honest they have always been, continue to be, and will remain the silent minority. The Sunni powers, regardless of Ottoman, Abbasid, Ummayad, Saudi, etc...have always had a commonality and that is the supression of Shia, and they will always do that.

While I believe and follow the words of Ayat. Sistani, I will however consider Sunni my brothers in Humanity the same way I consider any other human. But will I want unity with a known enemy? Never. Because I know that they have slaughtered Shia from the days of Imam Husain (as) and they will continue to slaughter Shia until the days of Imam Mehdi (as).

Leave them in their place and we will remain in ours. If they attack us then we will respond in kind. If they leave us the hell alone we won't bother them.

muslim720 · March 27, 2015

May Allah [swt] preserve and bless him and all our ulama who call for cooperation, understanding and respect.

Since someone moaned that no one listens to a word he says, I'm not a Shia but two of my most important teachers are Shia. One of my friends that I look up to, whom I consider to be a better Muslim than me, is Shia.

I have no qualms to be at the feet of Ayatollah Sistani, even Ayatollah Khamenei, to benefit from his knowledge and wisdom.

Edited March 27, 2015 by muslim720

Jaafar al-Shibli · March 28, 2015

(bismillah)

View of true Shias about Ahlul Sunnah is the view of their Imams.

From the book of Kafi.

تنظرون إلى أئمتكم الذين تقتدون بهم فتصنعون ما يصنعون،
فوالله إنهم ليعودون مرضاهم ، ويشهدون جنائزهم ، ويقيمون الشهادة لهم وعليهم ، ويؤدو الأمانة إليهم
الكافي - الشيخ الكليني، ج2، ص636
Imam Jafar ibn Muhammad says : Regarding Ahlul Sunnah do what your Imams do, swear to God your Imams would go to visit them when they are ill, they attend their funerals and ..........

صلوا عشائركم و اشهدوا جنائزهم و عودوا مرضاهم و أدوا حقوقهم فان الرجل منكم اذا ورع فى دينه و صدق الحديث و أدّى الامانة و حسن خلقه مع الناس قيل هذا جعفرى فيسرّنى ذلك .
الكافي - الشيخ الكليني ج2، ص 636
Imam Jafar ibn Muhammad says : Regarding Ahlul-Sunnah go visit their ill people, and preserve their rights, and be kind to the people .....
this is what makes me happy and this is a true Jafari.

Lovely Hadīth brother! Here is a more accurate translation with their chain grading:

محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن علي بن الحكم ، عن معاوية بن وهب قال قلت له كيف ينبغي لنا أن نصنع فيما بيننا وبين قومنا وبين خلطائنا من الناس ممن ليسوا على أمرنا قال تنظرون إلى أئمتكم الذين تقتدون بهم فتصنعون ما يصنعون فو الله إنهم ليعودون مرضاهم ويشهدون جنائزهم ويقيمون الشهادة لهم وعليهم ويؤدون الأمانة إليهم.

4-Muḥammad b. Yaḥya, from Aḥmad b. Muḥammad, from `Alī b. al-Ḥakam, Mu’āwiyah b. Wahab, said: I said to him [as]: how are we supposed to act with those among us, and from our clans, and from our associates from the people who are not upon our affair (i.e. Shias)? He [as] said: look at your Imams whom you follow, and do the like of what they do, for by Allah - they visit their sick, and they accompany their dead, and they give witness for and against them, and they return the trust to them.

Grading:

al-Majlisī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic).
--> Mir’āt al-`Uqūl, vol. 12, pg. 528.
Hādī al-Najafī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ al-Isnād (Authentic Chain of narrators).
--> Mawsū`ah Aḥādīth Ahl al-Bayt , vol. 1, pg. 424, Narration #915.
al-Bahbūdī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic).
--> Ṣaḥīḥ al-Kāfī, vol. 1, pg. 160.
`Āṣif al-Muḥsinī: He said the ḥadīth is Mu`tabar (Authentic).
--> Mu‘jam al-aḥādīth al-Mu‘tabarah, vol. 3, pg. 241.

أبو علي الأشعري ، عن محمد بن عبد الجبار ومحمد بن إسماعيل ، عن الفضل بن شاذان جميعا ، عن صفوان بن يحيى ، عن أبي أسامة زيد الشحام قال قال لي أبو عبد الله عليه‌السلام اقرأ على من ترى أنه يطيعني منهم ويأخذ بقولي السلام وأوصيكم بتقوى الله عز وجل والورع في دينكم والاجتهاد لله وصدق الحديث وأداء الأمانة وطول السجود وحسن الجوار فبهذا جاء محمد صلى‌الله‌عليه‌وآله أدوا الأمانة إلى من ائتمنكم عليها برا أو فاجرا فإن رسول الله صلى‌الله‌عليه‌وآله كان يأمر بأداء الخيط والمخيط ـ صلوا عشائركم واشهدوا جنائزهم وعودوا مرضاهم وأدوا حقوقهم فإن الرجل منكم إذا ورع في دينه وصدق الحديث وأدى الأمانة وحسن خلقه مع الناس قيل هذا جعفري فيسرني ذلك ويدخل علي منه السرور وقيل هذا أدب جعفر وإذا كان على غير ذلك دخل علي بلاؤه وعاره وقيل هذا أدب جعفر فو الله لحدثني أبي عليه‌السلام أن الرجل كان يكون في القبيلة من شيعة علي عليه‌السلام فيكون زينها آداهم للأمانة وأقضاهم للحقوق وأصدقهم للحديث إليه وصاياهم وودائعهم تسأل العشيرة عنه فتقول من مثل فلان إنه لآدانا للأمانة وأصدقنا للحديث.

5- Abū Alī al-Ash'arī, from Muḥammad b. `Abd al-Jabār and Muḥammad b. Ismā'īl, from Faḍḍāl b. Shāth'ān, all together from Sufwān b. Yaḥya, from Abī Usāmah Zayd al-Shaḥḥām said: Said to me Abū `Abd Allāh (عليه السلام): "give on my behalf my Salaams (greetings) to the one whom you think follows me and accepts my words from among the people, and I enjoin upon you the Taqwā of Allāh, and uprightness in your Deen, and struggle in the way of Allāh, and truth in speech, and returning of the trust, and good neighbourliness, for upon this did Muḥammad come, return back the trust to whomever trusted you be he good or evil, for verily the messenger of Allāh commanded the return of the trust even if it be a strand of rope or a needle, pray upon your tribal relatives (who die), and come out for their funeral rites, and visit their sick, and fulfill their rights, for if a man from among you is upright in his Deen, and is truthful in speech, and returns the trust, and has good behaviour with the people such that it is said: this one is a Ja'fariy, so it pleases me that, and it enters me due to him serenity, and it is said: these are the manners of Ja'far; and if one of you is upon other than this, it enters me his trouble and shame, and it is said: these are the manners of Ja'far, for by Allah my father narrated to me that a man used to be the Shia of Ali in a tribe - so he used to be the most dignified of them all, and the most trustworthy in trust, and the most fulfiller of rights, and the most truthful in speech, and it falls to him their wills and deposits, you ask the tribe about him so they say: who is like Fulan, he is the most trustworthy of us in returning trust and the msot truthful of us in speech".

Grading:

al-Majlisī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic).
--> Mir’āt al-`Uqūl, vol. 12, pg. 528-529.
Hādī al-Najafī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ al-Isnād (Authentic Chain of narrators).
--> Mawsū`ah Aḥādīth Ahl al-Bayt , vol. 1, pg. 424, Narration #916.
al-Bahbūdī: He said this ḥadīth is Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic).
--> Ṣaḥīḥ al-Kāfī, vol. 1, pg. 160.
`Āṣif al-Muḥsinī: He said the ḥadīth is Mu`tabar (Authentic).
--> Mu‘jam al-aḥādīth al-Mu‘tabarah, vol. 3, pg. 241-242.

Source:

al-Kulaynī, al-Kāfī, vol. 2, Chapter: What is loved from Social relations (ما يجب من المعاشرة).

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(wasalam)

Edited March 28, 2015 by Jaafar Al-Shibli

StrugglingForTheLight · March 28, 2015

Look how much help and support shias have given to Hamas and Palestine, and then look at those backstabbing .., supporting Saudi Arabia attacks on the Houthis.

Wallah, it's a cursed nation, an unjust nation, and we are caught up in the middle of it.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Muhammed Ali

Spicen · March 28, 2015

@struggling- meh, Saudi Arabia are Yehudi Arabia. Al saud family are donmeh jews.

As for hamas, they are in a bad position and cant do anything they want. They get a lot of money from Qatar and finally they are only against the Alawites. From what i hear the imami shias are also against them.

Anyway we gotta work together. Theres a far more danger to islam from jews, atheists(rushdie type), radicle feminism, rightwing US christians, etc. As a non-sectarian Muslim Nationalist, i can see what is being done to the muslims by foreigners. If we begin pointing fingers, we are doing the Jews' work for them.

Finder · March 28, 2015

May Allah [swt] preserve and bless him and all our ulama who call for cooperation, understanding and respect.
Since someone moaned that no one listens to a word he says, I'm not a Shia but two of my most important teachers are Shia. One of my friends that I look up to, whom I consider to be a better Muslim than me, is Shia.
I have no qualms to be at the feet of Ayatollah Sistani, even Ayatollah Khamenei, to benefit from his knowledge and wisdom.

(Salam)

Why do you believe that you are correct and not your teacher or friend?

**mesbah** · March 28, 2015

Wallah, it's a cursed nation, an unjust nation, and we are caught up in the middle of it.

exactly like the situation of the Ahlulbayt (as)

but look at how they reacted to this unjust situation.

it is a test for everyone.

Edited March 28, 2015 by mesbah

**Khadim uz Zahra** · March 28, 2015

I am not trying to make a problem I just wanted to know the place of these hadiths can someone please clarify them

Hadith?

**The Green Knight** · March 28, 2015

The real true and orthodox Sunni are a peaceful and peace loving minority and are living in oppression like ourselves. The Salafi Wahabi wrongly identifying themselves as "Sunni" are the real culprit and the problem causing sectarianism.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Darth Vader

**Khadim uz Zahra** · March 28, 2015

The real true and orthodox Sunni are a peaceful and peace loving minority and are living in oppression like ourselves. The Salafi Wahabi wrongly identifying themselves as "Sunni" are the real culprit and the problem causing sectarianism.

Just one thing, the 'real and true orthodox Sunnis' are the majority, not the minority. The crazies - even Salafi is too broad a term because there do exist Salafis who are extremely peace loving - are just more vocal.

And, to the person who posted 'Unity is impossible, coexistence is the best we can hope for,' exactly how do you define unity?

Mohammed72 · March 28, 2015

Hadith?

Yeah, the hadiths I post earlier from Imam Jafer Sadeq (A)

I was wondering if anyone could clarify there position, no has answered yet

These hadiths make it seem that we shouldn't even call non-shias Muslims (especially in numer 1,5,6)

I'll just post them again

Hopefully someone can clarify who the Imam (A) is talking about