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I Have Changed My Mind About Japan After Reading..

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When you watch their films, you think they are humble, kind, generous, polite, ... but after reading about the massacre of Chinese people by Japanese soldiers during 1930s.... It was terrible!

 

I know that I should not generalize. Bur the soldiers were not from another planet! They were from the same country (however, I am not sure if they were supported by their people or not).

 

Now, I cant understand why some people are so cruel!

 

Were the Japanese such violent and merciless?!

 

When you read the history, you see that it is full of massacres, genocides, invasions, .... and in most of them, women and children were assaulted and cruelly treated! But why?! Does it mean that men dont (cant or dont want to) control themselves when there is no law, no punishment, ...?

 

And if they control themselves. do they it because they are afriad of being punished or afraid of God and hell or because they dont want to show a bad image of themselves and not for humanitarian reasons??!!!

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(salam)

 

The US and the Allies did not prosecute anyone in Unit 731 after the War.

 

The rise of Japanese militarism (and what necessarily came before to precipitate it) is a study in extremism and how it gets started. Mush different than in Germany, Latin America, or Lenin-Stalinism.

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Well if you look at Japan itself, it has always been a cruel place.

 

Even the Shogunate system was unjust on the peasants, it made them slaves of the state. 

 

Then you had the Samurai, in Tokugawa's law, a Samurai could kill a peasant and he could just walk away no questions asked. 

 

Their whole history and life was based around the warrior and war, when there was no fighting the Samurai would suffer, so they would always have to have wars in which people suffer, women are raped, children are killed and the helpless is oppressed. 

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Remember the Japanese treatment of the Chinese people in the Nanking massacre stems from nationalistic pride, expansionist policies, imperialism and the idea that the Japanese were a purified race; They believed that they were all descendants of the Emperor, and he in turn was descended from Amaterasu, the sun goddess as according to the Shinto religion which was the state religion of Imperial Japan. So they were serious when they said that they were "children of the sun". Plus, Japan had been pursuing a policy of island hopping and after the success that they had, started pushing inwards towards the Mainland China; I suspect that the Japanese never forgot about Chinese stopping the Japanese attempt to invade Korea twice in 1592-1598 (Imjin War) and with the nationalistic wartime policies, all the events were like the ingredients of a perfect storm which manifested into the events of the Nanking massacre.

Now, the Japanese government still downplays it's historical role in Nanking and mainly because of image, Japan is a "shame society" and very image-oriented. Not to mention the situation was worsened because Chinese have very poor records of the population before and after the massacre, in addition to delibrate distorion of facts by the Chinese communists under Mao.

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Even if they were racist, why did their racial attitudes make them such cruel even to defenseless women and children?! This is what I cant understand! And Japanese soldiers were not the only people who committed such crimes. During the history, it occurred and repeated too many times! I mean that I cannot understand why do such crimes occur when a group of people invade another country!

 

I really wish the whole story was fabricated!

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Even if they were racist, why did their racial attitudes make them such cruel even to defenseless women and children?! This is what I cant understand! And Japanese soldiers were not the only people who committed such crimes. During the history, it occurred and repeated too many times! I mean that I cannot understand why do such crimes occur when a group of people invade another country!

I really wish the whole story was fabricated!

"In their hearts is a sickness. So Allah has increased them in sickness, and for them is a painful torment for (that) they used to lie."(2:10)

It is the evil and hate in men which leads to crimes like the Nanking massacre, Iblis loves it when women and children are killed in cold blood...

Furthermore, their racist attitudes were because they believed that they (Japanese) believed that they were the superior race which made them view the people of Nanking like they were cattle or dirt.

Edited by Gaius I. Caesar

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Yes japs were filthy animals worst criminals of Ww2 ...although jap navy guys were much better than jap army soldiers.

Just love the way US marines kicked their a $$ across the Pacific

Worst place on earth for foreigners ...

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Salaam everyone,

 

My late grandfather (may Allah be well pleased with him) was a decorated World War II veteran who fought the Japanese in the Pacific (Eniwetok). His description of their brutality against civilians just boggled my mind; to say that the Japs behaved like animals would be a gross insult to animals everywhere...

 

WS 

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Salaam,

 

Sorry for the slow response! He was actually a tank driver in the Army. I remember him telling me that the Japanese would cut the tongues out of anyone who failed to tell them what they wanted to hear during interrogations (only after enduring unspeakably sadistic torture) and also had a penchant for eating bits of their victims. After American troops came across the dismembered corpses of some Army nurses that clearly showed signs of torture and cannibalism, they were given specific instructions to take no prisoners and show no mercy; orders which they fulfilled quite successfully, I might add... 

I inherited a Japanese officers' "rising sun" battle flag my grandfather took as a trophy, complete with splattered blood and .30 caliber bullet holes. He also received a Purple Heart  for saving another tank drivers' life, but not before getting shot in the leg himself. As you might imagine, he also received permanent hearing damage from his time in the service.

 

WS

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I salute your grandfather may God rest his soul in peace and grant him eternal bliss

I think most japanease war criminals escaped justice after WW2

But I'm so glad the marines took no prisoners , thanks for sharing that it gives me some relief that justice was served.

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(salam)

 

My recently (couple of years) deceased uncle had a half page Navy article in his home town news paper with "never a dull moment" in the title. He is also one of the posted names in Chicago -Tech Museum- on the capture of U-505.

He was later sent to Pacific as an airman. They were flying when the Tokotai (vernacular: Kamikaze) were going in at Okinawa.

What horrified him was the bombing runs on the main islands. The militarist-extremist nutcases had this policy that when the air raid sirens went off, all the locals were to go to the bases "to help defend" them. So on their first run, his plane would drop everything and empty every weapon. But not all the planes would do this and many planes would "lay back". By the time the formations came around a second time over the target base, the roads and areas would be clogged with women, children and old people. Then the planes still with munitions would blow them all up. He said, except for the napalm on the wooden docks, the bombing runs had little military effect.

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al-Ibrahim -- I think it was a necessity

 

blu115 --no, it is very different today. What fundamentally made the pre-WW2 Army so extreme was: 1] back then, the "best and the brightest" for three or four generations went into Army careers; 2] officer training was prolonged throughout the teenage years and cadets were subject to daily brutality, mass punishments, starvation, (no living cadet left training), and so forth. It was Success or Seppuku -graduate or die.

This lead Japanese officers into a pitiless mindset and a total disregard for any life.

 

 

Footnote: Japanese people listened to Allied radio --even though that was a death sentence. Allied radio was a morale booster for the Japanese civilians because they thought everything was a lie. They didn't know otherwise until the service men returned home and said the same things.

Edited by hasanhh

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^ No, it was not necessary. It was cruel because many victims were innocent.

 

I agree with you on training and brainwashing.

 

As to your footnote, can you explain more? What didn't they know?


p.s: I didn't know that soldiers were brainwashed before the war/ invasion.

Edited by shadow_of_light

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First of all, I'm sorry but have you been living under a rock? (to not know about the events of WWII)

Secondly, another poster mentioned (I think hasanhh, too lazy to scroll up) that Japanese militarism needs to be viewed in the context of the time. And that's true. Because throughout Japanese history, this phenomenon was an exception, not the rule. Meaning, Japan was not an imperialistic country for most of its history. And in fact, culturally, politically, and militarily, Japan always more or less gravitated towards China.

Thirdly, in their history since the war, Japan has essentially had no military forces, whatsoever. And their people seem to be content with that.

Fourthly, if you're gonna judge Japan based on WWII, there is a long line of countries for you to dismiss and to start hating. (And some of those countries continue to commit crimes to this very day).

+1 Well said

Americans love to think of Japanese as racist. But guess what? For an almost entirely homogenous society (with one language and ethnic group), they seem to not be nearly as distrustful or prejudiced toward "different" things and "different" people, as Americans are.

The dismissing of Japanese as racist, or of Japanese culture as weird or perverse, has a very specific reason. The reason being: Japan is the only country that rivals the US in its cultural influence. Meaning, American children all grow up with Japanese TV shows and Japanese video games. So do many other children all across the world. (Arabs and Iranians grew up with Tsubasa). The Americans don't like this, so they try to paint a negative image of Japanese culture. A lot of the perverse things you hear about Japan are taken way out of context, and EVERYTHING you hear about Japanese racism is based entirely on the events of WWII. (As if the US were dropping teddy bears all over Tokyo).

Please, try to not have such kneejerk reactions.

On a side note (not intended for Baradar_Jackson)

My own people had involvement in WII, and that's just one of many, many wars. Do people hate us for that one particular war, they might; but if you count the numerous wars amongst all the nations in the world, you'd be hating pretty much (almost) everyone at some point or another.

Edited by AhlulBayt_313

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I think its irrationally to group Japan as a whole. Of course more valid reasons are their cultural/society/religious haram(s). But in general, as on every country, the majority of its people are kind and good. The majority of Japan are the elderly too. Look, there are countless Iranians, Afghans, and Pakistanis leaving there for years freely and respectfully. This in itself should prove plenty.

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I've been to Japan a couple of times; in my opinion the Japanese are among the friendliest, most well-educated and most hospitable people on the planet. 

 

I've also seen the remnants of WWII with my own eyes on the Mariana Islands: the fortified bunkers, bombed-out airstrips, torture chambers, signs denoting mass graves...it blows my mind that the parents and grandparents of many of my Japanese friends participated in such horrific brutality. But then again, there are things my Grandparents told me about their combat experiences and some of the things they did to the enemy were also utterly barbaric...War is hell, and WWII was particularly violent.

 

I have mixed feelings about the atom bomb(s); ultimately, Hirohito made the decision to continue fighting even after the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and the Soviets declared war on him, so I'm not sure what else would've stopped the war; even more people probably would've died had we invaded based on how the US military conducted itself in the South Pacific and elsewhere...

 

Wa Allahu a'alam

 

WS   

 

  

 

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Native Japanese are only friendly to you if you are white-American. Other than that, don't get confused with politeness and friendliness. It's a culture for us Asians to be polite in real life. My 2 cents.

And don't base your decision off some slaughtering from decades to centuries ago. All countries including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Greece, France, America, China, Tawain, etc., have all done some slaughtering.

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Just as a general reminder to people here to please be careful not to make generalisations that could in themselves be construed as racism. A whole race of people are not defined by the events of one war, no matter how terrible their actions may have been.

With regards to the original post, throughout history many atrocities have been committed by soldiers, and it does seem that certain people do use the cover of virtual lawlessness to do terrible things to women and children. We see that even in today's age with the crimes carried out by certain American soldiers in Iraq. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings (Warning: don't read this if you are of a sensitive disposition)

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Firstly, "the winners write the history", as we all have witnessed in regards to Islam.

Secondly, I see no reason why the Japanese would be painted as such... every army in one war or another in whatever part of the world committed ridiculous atrocities... so I don't think it's fair to single out Japan (as several people above stated)

Lastly, as an arab myself, a reminder of what Imam Zain al-3abideen (as) said, (paraphrasing) 'if you knew the details of what happened in Karbala, your bladder would split.'

 

Pretty much every ethnic race has been absolutely disgusting at one point or another. These days... it's by far America that is the most atrocious but ofc we'll never get the publicity/proof.

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I know that almost all countries, at some point during the history, involved in such crimes and I mentioned it in my first post. I hate all of these criminals regardless of their race and nationality. What I cannot completely understand is the reason for these crimes and what made them so cruel that they even killed innocent children very savagely.

 

And yes, there are good people in Japan, I don't deny it. There are good and bad people everywhere but I think that Japan and its people, at least, must admit that their grandparents committed such a cruel crime (instead of denying or underestimating it) and they must show their regret and try to compensate and punish all of the criminals (if they are still alive) and if they don't, it means that either they are indifferent or they believe that what their ancestors did was quite right and legitimate.

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^ I know and it is why I said:

 



When you read the history, you see that it is full of massacres, genocides, invasions, .... and in most of them, women and children were assaulted and cruelly treated!

 

 

Chinese massacre by Japan was the last one I read and one of the most terrible ones.

 

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(salam)

 

shadow-of-light: the reason the "worst" was in the Philippines is because of the following:

 

The Philippines, then a US territory, had from the beginning of the Japanese invasion, resistance units set up by the USArmy (I had an old NCO that was one of these, named Allen).

 

The Japanese could not subdue the resistance. What evolved was "Philippine Rules": the Japanese would send out a squad and they wouldn't come back. They'd send out a platoon and they'd see nothing. By the time of the liberation landings, this had progressed to a platoon not coming back, but a company would see nothing.

 

In frustration, the Japanese took sick-in-the-heads out of the mental hospitals, prisons and from among their own troops, not only Japanese, but Koreans, Chinese, ... even other Philippinoes; put them in special "terror battalions" and turned them loose on the Philippine countryside.

 

An officer I knew wife was a 5 year old survivor of her village's massacre --over a period of three days. Her, her mother and little brother hid in an outdoor oven.

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