Women And Going To The Mosque

[Sumerian]

(Salam)

My question is, is it better for a woman to do ibada' in her house or in a Mosque? I found a couple of quotes here -

Shaykh al-Mufeed in his book, Ahkam al-Nisa, page 58, says: "It is not permissible for women to gather on occasions of joy or occasions of mourning."

Allama' al-Hilli in Tadhkiatul Fuqaha says - It is makūh (abominable) for the women to go to Mosques because in it is forbidden wanton display. Imam-al Sadiq (a.s) said: "Best mosques for your women are the homes."

I have realised the Allama' records a hadith of Imam al-Sadiq (a.s), do we have hadiths which speak out against women going to Mosques? If so, can you please bring the sources and gradings?

Shukran.

[Reza]

If women can't even go to a mosque, then where can they go?  Just sit at home all day?  And how are women supposed to be contributing members of society or the community?

 

I know this will be inflammatory and controversial, but sometimes I'm glad I was born a male.  Everything just seems clearer and less ambiguous.  There never seems to be any debate on what we can do.  We seem to have fewer things to worry about. Whatever huge issues we deal with, ironically mostly deal with our relation with women (don't look, and that kind of thing).  Otherwise seems like we roam freely. 

Edited February 24, 2015 by magma

[Jahangiram]

For women who haven't reached menopause, its recommended but not obligatory to say the prayers at home rather than the mosque. If she desires to visit the mosque, her husband is not allowed to prevent her.

 

There's no karaha though for women who have reached menopause. If you want quotes I can dig them.

[Bakir]

If women can't even go to a mosque, then where can they go?  Just sit at home all day?  And how are women supposed to be contributing members of society or the community?

 

I know this will be inflammatory and controversial, but sometimes I'm glad I was born a male.  Everything just seems clearer and less ambiguous.  There never seems to be any debate on what we can do.  We seem to have fewer things to worry about. Whatever huge issues we deal with, ironically mostly deal with our relation with women (don't look, and that kind of thing).  Otherwise seems like we roam freely.

I agree with you and I'm all for women's right, but I believe the question of brother Ibrahimi is rather related to the hadiths on the subject, rather than discussing whether it's better or not for women to lock themselves at home.

[Ethics]

I tried searching this on Sistani h.a website, and there is no such issue. This is more so a sunni, and south asian culture where they do not let their women enter places of worship, for no apparent reason.

Edited February 24, 2015 by Ethics

[notme]

I, also, have never seen this issue. Praying in the mosque is not wajib for women, but any prohibition appears to be cultural.

[Ghulam e Ale Mohammad]

(salam)

My question is, is it better for a woman to do ibada' in her house or in a Mosque? I found a couple of quotes here -

Shaykh al-Mufeed in his book, Ahkam al-Nisa, page 58, says: "It is not permissible for women to gather on occasions of joy or occasions of mourning."

Allama' al-Hilli in Tadhkiatul Fuqaha says - It is makūh (abominable) for the women to go to Mosques because in it is forbidden wanton display. Imam-al Sadiq (a.s) said: "Best mosques for your women are the homes."

I have realised the Allama' records a hadith of Imam al-Sadiq (a.s), do we have hadiths which speak out against women going to Mosques? If so, can you please bring the sources and gradings?

Shukran.

 

On the Contrary, Mosque is the House of Allah, People are encouraged to go to Mosque. 

 

Imam Al-Sadiq (as) said, 'It is incumbent upon you to attend the mosques, for verily they are the houses of Allah on earth. and Whoever enters them having purified himself, Allah will purify him of his sins and will record him down as one of its frequenters, so perform many prayers and supplications therein.' [Amali al Saduq P.293 NO.8] 

 

Allah's swt Justice is fair. It is not that males can attend sessions in the mosques and go there to pray and achieve extra credit and purify himself but females are deprived of this credit. I don't think so.

 

Ya ali Madad

[Bakir]

Not only that but if you judge the benefits of it, we should rather encourage our mothers, sisters, daughters, etc to go the mosque. I have always insisted on my sister to go and she herself appreciated the value of it. Especially in the west, going to the mosque also allows you to keep in touch with other muslims which is something helpful for many.

And honestly, many of the subjects that we hear about in the mosque I attend are very useful if not fully oriented to women.

Most mosques already do a full separation between the areas for brothers and sisters, there should be no problem in attebding them as nobody will even see them.

[AhlulBayt_313]

(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

I have addressed part of this topic in the Sister's Forum (recently), please feel free to read it.

 

I have no issue addressing this from a Ahadith standpoint as well, I just haven't had time to delve into it as deep as it should be discussed.

 

I did highlight the Ahadith you posted; and replied to it in a constructive manner, but I didn't quote the Ahadith per say.

 

To be continued...

 

(wasalam) AB313

Edited February 24, 2015 by AhlulBayt_313

[Mithrandir]

(bismillah)

I think this is a desi problem. The Indian subcontinent is a breeding ground for anti-women clerics.

I haven't seen women being prevented from going to the mosque in any country--both Sunni and Shi'a--other than India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

 

Although I cannot speak about this from the Shi'i perspective, I know that the famous Dhahiri scholar Ibn Hazm allowed women to attend the mosque.

 

This is a very useful article:

 

Women's Prayer in The Masjid as Discussed by Imam Ibn Hazm
- Is it better for women to pray at home or at the masjid?

Dr Mohammad Akram Nadwi (Dean, Cambridge Islamic College) explored this important and controversial topic in detail in the class on Al-Muhalla of Ibn Hazm in the Diploma in Classical Islamic Texts Programme conducted by the Cambridge Islamic College.

A summary of the discussion can be found below. This is written by one of the students who attended the class on Sunday and it is a fairly accurate account of the discussion.

Women's Prayer in Masjid - Notes from Ibn Hazm's Muhalla

If women pray in jama3a with men in the masjid, it is good, because women used to attend prayers with the Prophet (pbuh) and he was aware of that. And if women do not attend the masjid but pray in jama3a with other women, it is still good because there is nothing to prohibit that. As for the athaan and iqaama, it is not obligatory on women to do it (when they are praying together), but if they do, that is also good. It is not allowed for the wali of a woman to stop her from attending prayer in the masjid. Even for women, prayer in jama3a is better than prayer alone.

Had prayer at home been better, then the Prophet would not have allowed the women to go through the extra effort of going to the masjid for fewer rewards. This would be against sincere advice, and the Prophet is the one who said: Ad-deenu naseeha.

Had the prayer of a woman at home been better, the Prophet would not have forbidden the men from preventing women from going to the masjid, and would not have told women not to wear perfume when going to the mosque (i.e. he showed them the etiquetted of the mosque, meaning the approval for attending was a given).

With regards to the hadith of Aisha where she says that: "If the Prophet had seen what the women were doing today, he would have forbidden them from going to the masjid", Ibn Hazm opposes using this saying to prohibit women from going to the mosque for 6 reasons (aside from the fact that fatawa of sahaba are not a source):

1- The Prophet did not see this 'new' thing the women were doing, and so he did not stop it. If you stop it, then that is bid3a. "I do not know of a sillier argument than to say if x had been, then y would have occurred"

2- Even if the Prophet (pbuh) did not know what the women would do later, Allah did. And Allah never revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) that should the women start doing x, then forbid them from the masjid.

3- We do not know what the 'new' thing the women did that they did not do at the time of the Prophet (pbuh). Whatever it is, it could not be worse than zina as zina is one of the most heinous sins. Yet even at the time of the Prophet , women did commit zina, and he never stopped them from coming to the masjid. Moreover, zina is just as haraam for men as it is for women, so based on this logic we should forbid men from the masjid as well.

4- The 'new' thing that was occurring, was it done by all the women or some? It must have been by some of the women. Thus it is impossible to stop a general good due to a few people doing bad things, and punishing everyone for the actions of a few. "Wala taziru waziratan wizra ukhra"

5- If this 'new' things is a reason to prevent women from going to the masjid, it should be more a priority to prevent them from going to the market! Why specify the masjid?

Sh Akram then went on a bit (so this part is not Ibn Hazm), saying how nowadays women work, go out to the markets and restaurants, yet the only place they can't go is the masjid. And he says the reason is men are lazy- if they prevent women from going to the market, they will have to do all shopping etc for them.

6- Aisha (ra) who made this statement never prevented women from going to the masjid nor did she herself stop going. She did not command people to "stop the women" but she just said that if the Prophet was alive, he would have. But since the Prophet never stopped women, we should not stop women either.

All the ahadeeth that say praying at home for women is better are weak. And even if they were strong, they were abrogated because all the companions did it and the Prophet (pbuh) did not censure them. When women go to the mosque, they are going through extra effort; they are not just praying, but leaving their houses, walking etc to get to the masjid. If you are saying that prayer in the masjid and at home are equal, you are saying that that extra effort is useless. And if you are saying that praying at home is better, you are saying that they get fewer rewards at the masjid, so it basically means that the effort and hardship actually takes away from their reward. So what is being implied is that extra effort is a sin! Yet everyone agrees that the Prophet (pbuh) never forbade women from going to the mosque and neither did the khulafa.

There is a bit more but I wrote so much, and these are the main points.

 

Fi amanillah.

Mithrandir.

ws.

[Al-Englisi]

Bismillah

 

Wa`alaykum al-Salam,

 

السؤال: هل تؤيدون صلاة المرأة جماعة في المسجد خلف الرجال اذا كان ذلك مع الاحتفاظ بحشمتها والتزامها حجابها؟

الجواب: يستحب اشتراك المرأة في جماعة المسلمين في المسجد و قد جرت على ذلك سيرة المسلمات في عصر النبي الاكرم (صلى الله عليه وآله) ففي المروي في الصحيح عن اميرالمؤمنين (عليه السلام) انه قال (كنّ النساء يصلين مع النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) و كن يؤمون ان لا يرفعن رؤسهن قبل الرجال لضيق الازر).
نعم ورد في بعض النصوص المعتبرة ان صلاة المرأة في بيتها افضل من صلاتها في المسجد، و الذي استظهرناه بملاحظة مجموعة تلك النصوص هو ان الافضل للمرأة ان تختار للصلاة المكان الذي تكون فيه ابعد عن مرئى و منظر الرجال الاجانب فان تهيأ لها مثل هذا المكان في المسجد فلا تفضل الصلاة في البيت على الصلاة في المسجد حينئذ و الله العالم.

 

٢السؤال: منهاج الصالحين (مسالة ٢٢٤): تستحب الصلاة في المساجد للرجال والنساء، وان كان الافضل للمراة ان تختار الصلاة في المكان الاستر حتي في بيتها:
١ـ ما هو الدليل علي استحباب صلاة المراة في المسجد؟ وهل تختص هذه الادلة بصلاتها الفرادي ام تشمل الجماعة ايضاً؟
٢ـ ما هي الموارد التي ترجح او توجب خروج المراة للصلاة في المسجد سواء كانت فرادي ام جماعة؟
٣ـ ماهي الموارد التي ترجح جلوس المراة والصلاة في بيتها؟
٤ـ ما هو المقصود من "و ان كان الافضل للمراة ان تختار الصلاة في المكان الاستر حتي في بيتها"؟
٥ـ لماذا كل هذا التشديد في مسالة الستر بالنسبة لمكان صلاة المراة بحيث ان الافضل لها ان تختار المكان الاستر حتي داخل منزلها؟
٦ـ كيف يمكن تصور ان المسجد اكثر ستراً للمراة من منزلها سيما وانها ستختار المكان الاكثر ستراً لها بداخله؟
٧ـ ماذا لو تساوي المنزل مع المسجد من ناحية الستر؟
٨ـ ماذا لو كانت المراة تخرج للمسجد سيراً علي الاقدام بسترها الشرعي وبكامل حشمتها الا انها تمر في طريقها ببعض الرجال ويمر عليها بعض الرجال في الشارع بطبيعة الحال، فهل هذا السبب كاف لترجيح جلوسها في منزلها وعدم خروجها للصلاة في المسجد، اي هل ان صلاتها في المنزل افضل لها في هذه الحالة؟
٩ ـ وهل يختلف الحكم لو كان المسجد قريباً من منزلها بحث لن يراها الا قليلاً من الرجال في طريقها للمسجد وعودتها منه، وماذا لو كان هناك من يوصلها (بالسيارة) من منزلها الي باب المسجد والعكس ( هل تستحب لها الصلاة في المسجد في هذه الحالة)؟
١٠ ـ في حال رغبة المراة في الصلاة في المسجد (فرادي او جماعة) بداعي القربة الي الله تعالي وكسب الثواب بالصلاة في بيت من بيوته وكان خروجها لا ينافي حق زوجها الجنسي وكان المسجد مستوراً (اي لا يراها احد من الرجال فيه) فهل من حق زوجها منعها من الخروج للمسجد بحجة ان مسجد المراة بيتها؟

 

الجواب: ١ـ الادلة العامة في الصلاة في المسجد وتشمل المنفرد ايضاً.
٢ـ لا شك ان الصلاة في المسجد ارجح ان لم يكن مرجح آخر يعارضه.
٣ـ اذا كان البيت استر لها او منعها الزوج او لجهات اخري.
٤ـ اذا لم يكن في المسجد موضع مستور فالبيت افضل.
٥ـ هكذا ورد ولعله من اجل تنبيه المراة باهمية سترها في الشرع.
٦ـ يمكن ذلك.
٧ـ المسجد افضل.
٨ـ هذا لا يسبب افضلية البيت.
٩ـ المسجد افضل.
١٠ـ يحق له منعها.

 

This should answer your question brother, also there is a famous narration quoted in many of the classical Shi'ite books of jurisprudence that doesn't use the word افضل but could be taken to imply some sort of افضلية - however, Sayyid Sistani (in his respectable opinion) has resolved these narrations and come to a conclusion without completely disregarding those narrations. (The narration is: مسجد المرأة بيتها). 

 

The other brothers should also have a look at this since some of the answers given here were not completely in line with the rulings i copied from the site (and highlighted in red). 

 

Also, just because a ruling does not appear in the english section, does not mean that it does not exist. Another reason for us all to try and learn languages like Arabic and Persian. 

 

http://www.sistani.org/arabic/qa/02126/

[monad]

Pretend to be a woman, and sit at whole home day, maybe for a week, two, a year. Let us know, how under developed your mind becomes. Possibly with the internet, you may develop intellectual SC debating skills, but your social and interpersonal skills will never mature. That is why, many of the young who go on to the "religious phase" complain about their relatives gossiping all the time, without realizing how they became like that in the first place.

 

Our good pal Yuka was a good example ( isolation ), that even the mods ban him, although most of us know the bans are more a personal bullying matter then what yuka posts. ( he has no friends and needs to talk, means posting on SC...) Get the picture kids?

Edited February 24, 2015 by monad

[notme]

Also, just because a ruling does not appear in the english section, does not mean that it does not exist.

What would be the point of a ruling that is only accessible to some believers?

Surely there are dozens of thousands of multilingual Shia capable of translation. For what purpose would anything of importance be left untranslated?

[Aftahb]

Home is the place, too much gossip at mosque and wrong ideas are promoted. And women become full of desires seeing other lavish women and they come home with renewed dreams and hopes. At this mosque where i went many years ago.. many women came in their very expensive cars and wore such expensive clothes and perfect makeup.. they were the talk of both sides lol and every lady wanted to be like them. so home is the place for a religious life. 

[Al-Englisi]

What would be the point of a ruling that is only accessible to some believers?

Surely there are dozens of thousands of multilingual Shia capable of translation. For what purpose would anything of importance be left untranslated?

 

Bismillah

 

Ask the office, i don't work for them :)

[notme]

Home is the place, too much gossip at mosque and wrong ideas are promoted. And women become full of desires seeing other lavish women and they come home with renewed dreams and hopes. At this mosque where i went many years ago.. many women came in their very expensive cars and wore such expensive clothes and perfect makeup.. they were the talk of both sides lol and every lady wanted to be like them. so home is the place for a religious life.

[sarcasm]Right. Better to socialize among non-muslims if she must be among humans at all. Wouldn't want those poor gullible girls, I mean women, getting any ideas from their fellow Muslims.[/sarcasm]

If this reasoning were valid, men should avoid going among other people too.

[Sumerian]

Okay guys, I clearly quoted one of the classical scholars' opinions (al-Mufeed) and one of the post classical scholars.(al-Hilli). Allama' al-Hilli cited a hadith aswell, so it cannot be a South Asian bid'ah if it's mentioned in our older books. Thank you brother Englisi, and br. Jahangiram can you cite your sources? Thanks.

[notme]

Did women pray in the mosques during the time of the prophet (as)?

Classical does not equal infallible.

[Sumerian]

I don't know for sure, but it is said that the Prophet's Mosque was VERY SMALL amd only one room.

[Sumerian]

We're trying to fmd out if this is true.

[Hameedeh]

Rhetorical question. Do women go to Masjid-al-Haram, Masjid al-Nabawi, Masjid al-Quba, Masjid al-Kufa, Masjid al-Jamkaran? Etc. The answer is yes, they do!  

[Sumerian]

Rhetorical question. Do women go to Masjid-al-Haram, Masjid al-Nabawi, Masjid al-Quba, Masjid al-Kufa, Masjid al-Jamkaran? Etc. The answer is yes, they do!

(Salam)

That wasn't my question though.

It seems that is is better for a woman to pray in a place where she is unseen.

Edited February 25, 2015 by al-Ibrahimi

[Hameedeh]

So women should not go to masjid and they should not go to Hajj and Ziyarat? 

[Sumerian]

This is batil Qiyas my sister, Hajj is wajib, a faridha.

[Hameedeh]

If going to Masjid-al-Haram is wajib, how can you say women should not go to masjid? :donno:

[gajarkahalva]

It is obvious it is better for her to pray at home. Take a look at a similar topic http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234982308-prayer-at-the-masjid-for-women/:

This is a sahih hadith from the book "Man Laa Yahduruhu al-Faqih," by Sheikh al-Sadouq. The book is in Arabic, and has not been translated into English. The hadith can be found in volume 1, here .

هشام بن سالم عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال صلاة المرأة في مخدعها أفضل من صلاتها في بيتها ، وصلاتها في بيتها أفضل من صلاتها في الدار

Imaam al-Saadiq said: The prayer of a woman in her room is superior/better to her prayer in her house. And her prayer in her house is superior/better to her prayer in the surroundings (meaning, in public, in a mosque).

2 – And as-Sadiq Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã said: The best masajid of your women are the houses.

[6433] 3 Ü ÞÇá : æÑæí Ãä ÎíÑ ãÓÇÌÏ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÇáÈíæÊ.

3 – He said: And it is narrated that the best masajid of the women are the houses.

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4 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan by his isnad from Ahmad b. Yahya from Ya`qub b. Yazid from Ziyad b. Marwan from Yunus b. Zhibyan. He said: Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã said: The best masajid of your women are the houses.

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5 – al-Hasan b. al-Fadl at-Tabrisi in Makarim al-Akhlaq said: The Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå said: The salat of the women alone by herself in her house is like the virtue of her salat in congregation, by twenty five degrees.

1 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan by his isnad from Muhammad b. `Ali b. Mahbub from Ya`qub b. Yazid from Abu Hammam from Abu ‘l-Hasan Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. He said: If the woman prayed two rak`at in the masjid with the imam on the day of jum`a then she has decreased her salat. And if she prayed four (rak`at) in the masjid she has decreased her salat. That she pray four (rak`at) in her house is better.

So it is better for you women folk to not attend congregational prayers!

Stay at home and reap the rewards.

[Ali_Hussain]

Did women pray in the mosques during the time of the prophet (as)?

Classical does not equal infallible.

 

 

I don't know for sure, but it is said that the Prophet's Mosque was VERY SMALL amd only one room.

 

Brother al-Englisi quoted sayed Sistani above:

 

ففي المروي في الصحيح عن اميرالمؤمنين (عليه السلام) انه قال (كنّ النساء يصلين مع النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) و كن يؤمون ان لا يرفعن رؤسهن قبل الرجال لضيق الازر

 

Women did pray with the Prophet (s).

[Sumerian]

If going to Masjid-al-Haram is wajib, how can you say women should not go to masjid? :donno:

Like I said sister, this is batil. In Hajj for example, we're told not to wear a niqab. This is just one example to show rulings change in Hajj.

Brother al-Englisi quoted sayed Sistani above:

 

ففي المروي في الصحيح عن اميرالمؤمنين (عليه السلام) انه قال (كنّ النساء يصلين مع النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) و كن يؤمون ان لا يرفعن رؤسهن قبل الرجال لضيق الازر

 

Women did pray with the Prophet (s).

I don't disagree bro. But I'm wondering if it's better to go Mosque or not (to pray), for a woman. He himself interprets and resolves these ahadeeth.

[Ali_Hussain]

I don't disagree bro. But I'm wondering if it's better to go Mosque or not (to pray), for a woman. He himself interprets and resolves these ahadeeth.

 

In sayed Sistani's opinion, it is better for them to take part in the congregation, but his isn't the only opinion, I just check sayed al-Hakeem's opinion, he says this:

 

 

Q [4]  Is it better for a woman to offer her Prayers at the Mosque or at her house?

 

A : The women's prayer at home is better than her prayer at the mosque.

 

http://english.alhakeem.com/pages/quesans/listgroup_ques.php?Where=137

 

Edited February 25, 2015 by Ali_Hussain

[Sumerian]

So this is Sahih? Thank you brother Gajarkahlava, thos is a very nice finding.

هشام بن سالم عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال صلاة المرأة في مخدعها أفضل من صلاتها في بيتها ، وصلاتها في بيتها أفضل من صلاتها في الدار

Imam al-Sadiq said: The prayer of a woman in her room is superior/better to her prayer in her house. And her prayer in her house is superior/better to her prayer in the surroundings (meaning, in public, in a mosque).

In sayed Sistani's opinion, it is better for them to take part in the congregation, but his isn't the only opinion, I just check sayed al-Hakeem's opinion, he says this:

(Salam) Yes I read that bro. But he also interpreted it and said -

نعم ورد في بعض النصوص المعتبرة ان صلاة المرأة في بيتها افضل من صلاتها في المسجد، و الذي استظهرناه بملاحظة مجموعة تلك النصوص هو ان الافضل للمرأة ان تختار للصلاة المكان الذي تكون فيه ابعد عن مرئى و منظر الرجال الاجانب فان تهيأ لها مثل هذا المكان في المسجد فلا تفضل الصلاة في البيت على الصلاة في المسجد حينئذ و الله العالم.

So it's better at home SOMETIMES.

As for Sayyed al-Hakeem he seems to be of the opinion that it's better all the time. Interesting.

Thanks bro.

Edited February 25, 2015 by al-Ibrahimi

[Ali_Hussain]

So this is Sahih? Thank you brother Gajarkahlava, thos is a very nice finding.

هشام بن سالم عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال صلاة المرأة في مخدعها أفضل من صلاتها في بيتها ، وصلاتها في بيتها أفضل من صلاتها في الدار

Imam al-Sadiq said: The prayer of a woman in her room is superior/better to her prayer in her house. And her prayer in her house is superior/better to her prayer in the surroundings (meaning, in public, in a mosque).

 

 

(salam)

 

This hadith is authentic (sahih or hasan?), shaykh Hasan bin al-shahid al-thani quoted it in his book 'mantiqa al-jaman fi al-ahadith al-sihah wa al-hasan'

 

عن أبيه، ومحمد بن الحسن، عن سعد بن عبد الله، والحميري جميعا، عن يعقوب بن يزيد، والحسن بن ظريف، وأيوب بن نوح، عن النضر بن سويد، عن هشام بن سالم، ح وعن أبيه، عن علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن محمد بن أبي عمير، وعلي بن الحكم جميعا، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: صلاة المرأة في مخدعها أفضل من صلاتها في بيتها، وصلاتها في بيتها أفضل من صلاتها في الدار (2)، والرجل إذا أم المرأة كانت خلفه عن يمينه سجودها مع ركبتيه

 

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(salam) Yes I read that bro. But he also interpreted it and said -

نعم ورد في بعض النصوص المعتبرة ان صلاة المرأة في بيتها افضل من صلاتها في المسجد، و الذي استظهرناه بملاحظة مجموعة تلك النصوص هو ان الافضل للمرأة ان تختار للصلاة المكان الذي تكون فيه ابعد عن مرئى و منظر الرجال الاجانب فان تهيأ لها مثل هذا المكان في المسجد فلا تفضل الصلاة في البيت على الصلاة في المسجد حينئذ و الله العالم.

So it's better at home SOMETIMES.

As for Sayyed al-Hakeem he seems to be of the opinion that it's better all the time. Interesting.

Thanks bro.

 

 

Wild guess here, perhaps in the early days of Islam, there was no separate room for women to pray in away from the eyes of men, so for that reason, they were recommended to pray at home, but as that is no longer the case, some scholars may discard the hadith about praying at home. Sayed Sistani seems to based his answer on women praying away from men.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Ali_Hussain

[notme]

Given that women take the bulk of the child caring duties, and women have certain times when they can't pray, it is a mercy for women to not be required to attend the congregational prayers daily. But participating in the community and knowing neighbors is encouraged for all Muslims.

[AhlulBayt_313]

(bismillah)

(salam)

 

This is the prime reason; as to why the majority of women don't become more active in the religious sector, whether it be as a lecturer or getting involved in community efforts.

 

I don't disagree with the (said) Ahadith's mentioned above, well at least not all of them. I also agree, women are not required to attend the mosque daily (as men do). I also believe women should not be in the same room as the men in congregation. However, if our mosques would make sure there is a women's section, like they have in Iran for example, where we can pray together and not have to be around men, this would be beneficial. The issue for some, (including myself); I don't want to miss out on some of those amazing lecture's that are given. Also, women should be encouraged to be speaker's as well, we have a right to contribute to an Islamic society.

 

What is next? We cant attend religious seminar's? What's the point of going to Hawza then? Are we to learn knowledge to only discuss it in the private sector?

 

The mosques today aren't solely set-up for just prayer alone (as it was in the past), they are centers for communities to gather and discuss matters that benefit that unity.

 

I don't need to be in a room with a man to pray, I actually prefer not too. I, myself, don't always attend the mosque for prayer, because it (is) better to stay home for my Du'a, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to attend the mosque (altogether). The only reason women have even come as far as we have in the public, religious sector is because of men who have realized what we can bring to our communities.

 

Imam Khomeini (ra) has written over 200 pages dedicated to women becoming more active in this arena, and how important we are to our communities.

 

So yes, we don't (have to attend) the mosque for prayer; it's not wajib for us. Yet, if you construct a mosque properly devised for males and females to attend in their sections, and allot time for women to come in and listen to the lecture's, I don't see it being an issue.

 

By people completely shunning us away from the mosque isn't going to give women the confidence they need, nor the support of her male counterparts to feel she can be of service.

 

(wasalam) AB313

Edited February 25, 2015 by AhlulBayt_313

[gajarkahalva]

Women provide a massive service to Islam and contribute in a huge way already through the bringing up of their children to become good muslims. This is way more important and a bigger task than being a speaker etc.

[AhlulBayt_313]

Let's not misconstrue my words brother, I never said that (is) all she can do.

 

I am saying (if) she wanted to be one, she has the right to do so, and should be encouraged if that is her desire.

 

Please read collectively.

 

It is incumbent for ALL Muslim's to seek knowledge. If she wants to teach that (said) knowledge, that is her right as a Muslim. That (said) knowledge can only benefit those children (youth) that you speak of, so let's not get into a cultural remarks.

Edited February 25, 2015 by AhlulBayt_313