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Pagan Parallels To Jesus (A) ?

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(Starts at 2:30)

 

Dr Mark Foreman wrote an article about it, but I couldn't find it, here is an article with quotes from various scholars:

 

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/zeitgeist-the-movie

 

Here is the complete video of the above talk by Dr Foreman:

 

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Pagans have been around many years before Christianity reached them.... 

 

The Pagans of northern Europe only came into contact with Christianity after they started raiding Christian villages in western and eastern Europe. Today it is easy to collaborate yourself with what is  in order to bring hope to what was....

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When Christianity became the state religion if Rome in the 4th century it really started to spread. However the Scandinavian population (vikings) first became Christian around 1.000 AD. The conversion did not happen in one second, and even today we have remains from the old pagan religion. (Pagans was also around in the Arabian peninsula before Islam reached the Arab population there)

Both Christianity and Islam has parallels with Mithra. The Virgin Birth is the most famous.

The idea of seven heavens, that we find in Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hinduism, can be traced as far back as to Aristoteles (4th century BC), but is probably much older.

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When Christianity became the state religion if Rome in the 4th century it really started to spread. However the Scandinavian population (vikings) first became Christian around 1.000 AD. The conversion did not happen in one second, and even today we have remains from the old pagan religion. (Pagans was also around in the Arabian peninsula before Islam reached the Arab population there)

Both Christianity and Islam has parallels with Mithra. The Virgin Birth is the most famous.

The idea of seven heavens, that we find in Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hinduism, can be traced as far back as to Aristoteles (4th century BC), but is probably much older.

Hi andres

How are Odin and Thor doing in scandinavia?

Some swedish White nationalists told me that they were angry that Jesus overtook their 'true gods'. Is this belief widespread?

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Nobody in Sweden believes in the old norse gods today. But many have an historical interest in the religion that rulef in Scandinavia 1.000 years ago. A difficult task because there are very few sources.

Swedish white nationalists are happily a very small minority over here. Where did you get in contact with those extremists?

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Quran hints to this. يضاهئون به قول الذين كفروا

But Quran asserts that the influence of the pagans affected both Christians and Jewish community. Quran here refers to the son of God belief specifically.

There is no mention of the nature of those pagans. Are they the Arabs, Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Greek or Persians?

Ancient civilizations were not confined to their geography . They affected and were affected by others. Middle east was a hub of old world globalization ambitions.

Europeans , some of them, are of Indian origin. Some of their gods were similar to Egyptians whom gods were similar to sumerians. ...

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Nobody in Sweden believes in the old norse gods today. But many have an historical interest in the religion that rulef in Scandinavia 1.000 years ago. A difficult task because there are very few sources.

 

 

 

Quite a few Scandinavian, German and Baltic metal bands are composed of white supremacist fascists who consider themselves heathens, worship ancient Nordic gods and wear Thor's Hammer. However, Swedish pagans in particular are mostly radical left-wing, anarchists or communists, principled anti-racists, supporters of Muslim immigrants. And it is not serious idol worship, just playing metal, dancing around the trees in national costumes etc. It's a small subculture, just a few people here and there who tend to produce lots of music highly appreciated by those who are into heavy metal (I am, admittedly).

 

There are many classical sources though. There is a huge corpus of pagan sagas written in Old Norse. Check out the famous Codex Regius, for example.

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I seriously doubt that any Swede today honestly believe Tor, Odin and their colleges exist. There are very few written sources from the time of the Vikings, and only short, not very flattering comments by foreigner from outside Scandinavia. I have not read the

codex regius, but I have read many of Snorres sagas and his Edda, all written a couple of centuries after the Norse religion was

abandoned. From this we have our knowledge. Many heathen traditions were of course still remembered and secretly practiced in the

13th century. In fact our midsummer and Christmas (Jul) still contain traditions with roots way back in time. So the headline of

this thread is real. Christianity is influenced by older religions. All religions are, Islam no exception. Jinns and the Kaaba are

two examples.

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@andres- the white nationalists don't actually believe they exist but they idolise their barbarianism.

As for Kaaba, some famous Hanufas even before Muhammad(S) prostrated there and believed it to be built by Ibrahim. I remember the story of one famous Hanufa who was neither Jew or Christian. Btw, the original Kaaba built by Ibrahim was a slightly elevevated wall covered by a tent. Yes, islam is influenced by Hanifiya as is evident in Quran. What's new? I have studying about South west Arabian history an learnt many interesting things. Dr. Salibi suggests that the lost ark of covenant could be found near Asir. If you want to learn i recommend Chaim Rabin's book abouth South Western Arabia. You will find there is a strong Hebrew influenced culture in Southwest Arabia. Unfortunately, KSA does not allow archaelogy. So at this point many things are blurred

And your right that christianity was influenced by norse mythology. Another example is that the name Hell is taken from the norse goddess Hel.

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And your right that christianity was influenced by norse mythology. Another example is that the name Hell is taken from the norse goddess Hel.

Only in the germanic part of the world thou. In Spain it is "Infierno" and in Hebrew "Gehenna". The word "God" and "Allah" was

also used for heathen Gods preceeding our monotheistic religions.

As for the story of the flood, we have borrowed it from Sumerian religions much older than Judaism. 3.000 B.C!!

From where did you get the idea of Abraham building the original Kaaba?

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