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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31121160

 

Jordan has confirmed the death of pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh after a video published online by Islamic State (IS) claimed to show him being burned alive.

The video shows a man standing in a cage and engulfed in flames. Intelligence officials are working to confirm it is genuine.

Jordan vowed "punishment and revenge".

Lt Kasasbeh was captured when his plane came down near Raqqa, Syria, in December on a mission to support the US-led military coalition against IS.

The video posted online on Tuesday was distributed via a Twitter account known as a source for IS propaganda.

The highly produced 22-minute film includes a sequence showing the Jordanian pilot walking at gunpoint amongst rubble apparently caused by coalition air strikes that targeted jihadists.

The BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner says the new and horrific video is aimed at a world already shocked by the calculated cruelty of Islamic State's actions,

Jordanian state TV reports that Lt Kasasbeh, 26, was killed a month ago - since when Jordan has continued attempts to secure his release.

Jordan had been attempting to secure Lt Kasasbeh's release as part of a prisoner swap, offering to free Iraqi militant Sajida al-Rishawi in exchange.

She is a failed suicide bomber now on death row in Jordan for her role in attacks in the capital, Amman, that killed 60 people in 2005.

'Not in vain'

IS had sought to exchange Rishawi's freedom for that of captive Japanese journalist Kenji Goto. A video that appeared to show Goto's dead body appeared three days ago.

A spokesman for the Jordanian armed forces, Mamdouh al-Ameri, said Lt Kasasbeh had "fallen as a martyr".

"While the military forces mourn the martyr, they emphasise his blood will not be shed in vain. Our punishment and revenge will be as huge as the loss of the Jordanians."#

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ISIS HAVE GONE TOO FAR. Where are the saudi sheikhs who supported the invasion of syria now?

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i am sure sunni law cant justify 80% of their videos, or am i being optimistic?

 

This one maybe be harder for them to justify since the narrations in their books are explicit. Other things such as killing people who don't convert is relatively less difficult.

 

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
 
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
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(salam)

 

1] I saw on today's (the 3rd's) news that Jordan will now execute the woman so held in a week of Wednesday.

 

2] NPR interviewed an "Islamic expert" today who said that before this, lS had been marginalized by the wider Islamic community, but now they are an anathema.

The other thing l noticed was just how fundamentally uninformed the woman doing the interview was/is.

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Jordanian government is responsible for training, funding and sending ISIS, FSA and Jabatul Nusra to Syria to kill and terrorize the country. This is nothing, more to come to hit Jordan.

 

May the pilot rest in peace. Sunni religion has no justification for anything anymore... but they justify it anyways. It's mixed deeply with tribal mentality & codes in all regions where Sunnism exist. It could be twisted in any minute to match the politics of the day or to satisfy the powers in charge. One day Saddam was the hero of Arabs, then a murtad, but then things changed again and he was considered a "martyr" by majority of Sunnis while he was the exact same Saddam all those times. There will be many justification for burning this guy by the Takfiris.

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^I don't think there is any form of Qisas that leads to burning even if the guy burned down the houses by his airstrikes, (and that if it is proven).. his punishment would be death by hanging or chopping his head as they do it in Saudi.

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Off topic, but according to this. World War 3 is most likely coming. The Royal King Putin has finally said, "I just about had it," basically. Putin has esculated his country's military campaign which involves increase in allies/military drills/speznat (army) funding/higher activity along Russian borders.

LOL Get ready for a full blown war between America and Russia. I'm predicting Putin is taking this War on American Soil. Just like call of duty: modern warfare 2 & battlefield 4; I can't wait to see russian parachutes in America.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-announced-plans-joint-military-174400059.html

UPDATE: Obama is so careless, he is going to aid Ukraine militarily by sending weapons. After Putin's high ranking generals said any military aid to Ukraine will ignite a full blown world war.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-toll-mounts-east-ukraine-us-mulls-arming-143713858.html

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Off topic, but according to this. World War 3 is most likely coming. The Royal King Putin has finally said, "I just about had it," basically. Putin has esculated his country's military campaign which involves increase in allies/military drills/speznat (army) funding/higher activity along Russian borders.

LOL Get ready for a full blown war between America and Russia. I'm predicting Putin is taking this War on American Soil. Just like call of duty: modern warfare 2 & battlefield 4; I can't wait to see russian parachutes in America.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-announced-plans-joint-military-174400059.html

UPDATE: Obama is so careless, he is going to aid Ukraine militarily by sending weapons. After Putin's high ranking generals said any military aid to Ukraine will ignite a full blown world war.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-toll-mounts-east-ukraine-us-mulls-arming-143713858.html

Chill the hell out. You really want war?

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Jordan executed two prisoners, one male and one female, after the ISIS video of the pilot burned alive.

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Saw the same on news. The source for my "next week" up above was obviously wrong.

 

Tonight, PBS and CBS gave contradictory accounts about King Abdullah. PBS said he quit his trip to Washington and immediately returned home, while CBS said he immediately went to the White House.

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Off topic, but according to this. World War 3 is most likely coming. The Royal King Putin has finally said, "I just about had it," basically. Putin has esculated his country's military campaign which involves increase in allies/military drills/speznat (army) funding/higher activity along Russian borders.

LOL Get ready for a full blown war between America and Russia. I'm predicting Putin is taking this War on American Soil. Just like call of duty: modern warfare 2 & battlefield 4; I can't wait to see russian parachutes in America.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-announced-plans-joint-military-174400059.html

UPDATE: Obama is so careless, he is going to aid Ukraine militarily by sending weapons. After Putin's high ranking generals said any military aid to Ukraine will ignite a full blown world war.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-toll-mounts-east-ukraine-us-mulls-arming-143713858.html

 

Well, this is not off topic.

 

In a bigger picture, the west is preparing the ground to invade Syria! This ISIS BS everyday is a big drama from France to Syria/Iraq.

 

BUT, Iran and Russia plus Hizb and etc... know it well, any western troops/puppet-Arabs in the ground is  going to be a huge problem for the Syrian government and they will not go out until they bring down the Syrian gov. and install a puppet regime loyal to themselves. In that case if they push it for real, the Iran/Russia/China/Hizb and co will have no choice but to go for the big war.

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I hope Jordan brings it hardcore now, and I hope neighboring countries wake up and join in.  Between Jordan, Turkey, and the Kurds, they could reduce ISIS to nothing in a matter of weeks.

 

Off topic, but according to this. World War 3 is most likely coming. The Royal King Putin has finally said, "I just about had it," basically. Putin has esculated his country's military campaign which involves increase in allies/military drills/speznat (army) funding/higher activity along Russian borders.

LOL Get ready for a full blown war between America and Russia. I'm predicting Putin is taking this War on American Soil. Just like call of duty: modern warfare 2 & battlefield 4; I can't wait to see russian parachutes in America.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-announced-plans-joint-military-174400059.html

UPDATE: Obama is so careless, he is going to aid Ukraine militarily by sending weapons. After Putin's high ranking generals said any military aid to Ukraine will ignite a full blown world war.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/death-toll-mounts-east-ukraine-us-mulls-arming-143713858.html

Nuclear arms aside, the Russian military is not that advanced, and they know they can't win a conventional war against the US, let along against NATO.  Plus, this is a game of poker where both sides know they're going to have to fold, and Russia is crumbling inside because of low oil revenue.  Russia is just trying to be relevant in the world again.

 

And really?  Russian parachutes in America?  They won't even make it out of the plane.  Heck, their planes won't even make it over US airspace.  And if they do make it out, we've got enough guns among the citizens to wipe them out without a problem.  Even I've got an M4 style rifle.

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Well, this is not off topic.

 

In a bigger picture, the west is preparing the ground to invade Syria! This ISIS BS everyday is a big drama from France to Syria/Iraq.

 

BUT, Iran and Russia plus Hizb and etc... know it well, any western troops/puppet-Arabs in the ground is  going to be a huge problem for the Syrian government and they will not go out until they bring down the Syrian gov. and install a puppet regime loyal to themselves. In that case if they push it for real, the Iran/Russia/China/Hizb and co will have no choice but to go for the big war.

 

I have to agree with this. Look man, you don't have a bunch of towelhead takfiri daesh militants just come out of nowhere and take over half of Iraq and Syria without any outside help. Its impossible and somebody has to be helping them. When you factor in past history also, the US has never let any leader who challenges their interests walk away free or get away with it. Its never happend and its naive for anyone to think that way. They want Bashar overthrown and they will do whatever they can to achieve their goals, don't think they won't. Heck they are still after Iran after almost 40 years since the Islamic revolution.

 

The US government and politicans should get an Oscar for their epic performance in this whole Isis fiasco. Lool they knew they couldn't get their troops into Syria through the front door because the American public wouldn't allow it and it would have resulted in political suicide, people still had Iraq fresh in their minds. So then they said, hey why not covertly support Isis militants and let them murder random hostages. Let our media spread the news and toy with the publics emotions and they can later enter Syria through the backdoor. Its a very clever and unfortunately nasty way to gain the publics sympathies.      

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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته - May peace be upon you as well as Allah's mercy and his blessings

اللّهم صلّ على محمّد وآل محمّد - O Allah please pray upon Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad

بسم الله الرّحمن الرّحبم - Thanks to the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

i've seen parts of the video, and these daesh scumbags quote stupid ibn taymiyyas words just after burning the pilot

 

«أما إذا كان في التمثيل الشائع دعاء لهم إلى الإيمان أو زجر لهم على العدوان فإنه هنا من إقامة الحدود والجهاد المشروع»

which i may translate along the words of

 

«And if in the public representation [of death penalty], a call to them to believe or a fear for them to oppose, then it is part of the death penalty and of the religiously permitted fighting»

Those daesh people are animals... Which other countries take the words of ibn taymiyya?

 

This one maybe be harder for them to justify since the narrations in their books are explicit. Other things such as killing people who don't convert is relatively less difficult.

 

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

 

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته - And upon you be peace as well as Allah's mercy and his blessings

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Well, this is not off topic.

In a bigger picture, the west is preparing the ground to invade Syria! This ISIS BS everyday is a big drama from France to Syria/Iraq.

BUT, Iran and Russia plus Hizb and etc... know it well, any western troops/puppet-Arabs in the ground is going to be a huge problem for the Syrian government and they will not go out until they bring down the Syrian gov. and install a puppet regime loyal to themselves. In that case if they push it for real, the Iran/Russia/China/Hizb and co will have no choice but to go for the big war.

You forgot North Korea too and all the supposed communist allies of Russia like Vietnam. And I think it's interesting how all those countries allied with Russia have been in great historical wars that involved defending their own country on their own soil (and won).... Guess it just calls for war experiences. Ahh imagining about a war between them vs America & NATO is pretty darn scary.

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I hope Jordan brings it hardcore now, and I hope neighboring countries wake up and join in. Between Jordan, Turkey, and the Kurds, they could reduce ISIS to nothing in a matter of weeks.

Nuclear arms aside, the Russian military is not that advanced, and they know they can't win a conventional war against the US, let along against NATO. Plus, this is a game of poker where both sides know they're going to have to fold, and Russia is crumbling inside because of low oil revenue. Russia is just trying to be relevant in the world again.

And really? Russian parachutes in America? They won't even make it out of the plane. Heck, their planes won't even make it over US airspace. And if they do make it out, we've got enough guns among the citizens to wipe them out without a problem. Even I've got an M4 style rifle.

Lol around half the citizens are going to side with Russia which should be self explanatory. And strategy comes a long way.

In my opinion, I honestly think NATO is weak lol. I mean their quanitity might seem rather large when combined, but they are weak in quality in comparision to Russia alone. Only America is a challenge to Russia. And when you got 3/4 of hackers from around the world stationed in China/North Korea; this war is pretty much in their favor over America & their allies. Meaning they could possibly disarm practically any opposing airplanes/satellite intel if it came down to it, advance EMP strikes if you will.

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What is beyond ignorant is that it is said in the video they use the fatwa of taymiyya L.A to justify the burning, and "some" people on here argue that his teachings are innocent... :donno:

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I hope Jordan brings it hardcore now, and I hope neighboring countries wake up and join in.  Between Jordan, Turkey, and the Kurds, they could reduce ISIS to nothing in a matter of weeks.

 

I get the impression that this is what the whole exercise is trying to achieve. Tensions are appearing in Jordan that did not seem to be there before or if they were they could be better controlled.

 

If IS succeeds in creating trouble, bear in mind that while the departure of regimes we do not like may seem to be a nice outcome, their replacement could end up being worse for us and that is the objective of the people trying to sow trouble.

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Guys, I think its pretty obvious the hadith about Imam Ali(as) and Ibn Abbas(as) is Abbasid propaganda to make their ancestor Ibn Abbas(as) appear more knowledgeable and righteous than Imam Ali(as) for polemical purposes against his Shia.

Whether Imam Ali(as) actually burned someone is debatable I suppose (it does however also appear in our hadith's) but there is no question that Ibn Abbas(as) did not criticize him for it even if he did burn the ghulat.

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Lol around half the citizens are going to side with Russia which should be self explanatory. And strategy comes a long way.

In my opinion, I honestly think NATO is weak lol. I mean their quanitity might seem rather large when combined, but they are weak in quality in comparision to Russia alone. Only America is a challenge to Russia. And when you got 3/4 of hackers from around the world stationed in China/North Korea; this war is pretty much in their favor over America & their allies. Meaning they could possibly disarm practically any opposing airplanes/satellite intel if it came down to it, advance EMP strikes if you will.

lol. No.  I think you've been watching too many movies.  Seriously, I know pilots that have flown both MIGs and F15's/F16s, and they say there is no comparison in quality.  American planes are vastly superior.  And these weren't American pilots.

 

And again, I think you've just been watching too many movies.

 

In a conventional war the US would crush Russia.

 

And please, half the US citizens would support Russia?  Come on, you lose all credibility right there.

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lol. No. I think you've been watching too many movies. Seriously, I know pilots that have flown both MIGs and F15's/F16s, and they say there is no comparison in quality. American planes are vastly superior. And these weren't American pilots.

And again, I think you've just been watching too many movies.

In a conventional war the US would crush Russia.

And please, half the US citizens would support Russia? Come on, you lose all credibility right there.

Knowing a few pilots does not say anything about the pilot themselves to say the least. An airplane that may be more advanced does not make a pilot any better than the other one.

I also hope you do realize how close Russia is to America when considering the shape of the globe.

And yeah around half of the US citizen would support Russia rather than America itself. I'm confident in what I say cause I live in America. Perhaps, you will have the extreme republicans who sought out to destroy Iran, in favor of America rather than Russia.

While Russia and it's allies are preparing strategically for a world war while America and it's allies are complaining about Russia's involvement in Ukraine. Furthermore, they have even decided to take the risk to give lethal military aid to Ukraine despite the rather more dangerous consequences. I find that very funny.

Regardless of debating on this issue on who is better. The real fact is Russia is going to War against America sooner or later. At the same time, Hezbollah and Israel are getting heated. North Korea already declared they officially will do what they want and will retaliate if America does anything meaning War, not just a few bombs into South Korea's waters. At the same time, Iran is fed up with American sanctions and I'll assume John Kerry is going to decline the Nuclear campaign Iran has going in the next meeting between the two nations which in return will only make Iran furious.

The American politcians are not the same ones as before 40 year ago. The American politicians as of today are only into things that suits their best interest.

The Doomsday clock is ticking till midnight and it's only a matter of time. 3 minutes left.

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Anyone else think there is a speculative possibility ISIS are not there to gain power, but to weaken whatever regimes are there so new puppet regimes can be more easily introduced? This is merely a possibility and theory. Because ISIS themselves will be doomed to fail.

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Hello,

 

Seems an oft banned American is back again.

 

And yeah around half of the US citizen would support Russia rather than America itself. I'm confident in what I say cause I live in America. Perhaps, you will have the extreme republicans who sought out to destroy Iran, in favor of America rather than Russia.

 

  I overlook many preposterous "statements of facts" by "those who know" on ShiaChat.  But, when a statement achieves such a high level of absurdity as the one above, I feel like I must say something.  And that is, narcotic ice is clueless on this particular topic.

 

I agree with coldcow's analysis, narcotic ice's previous posts definitely reflect a juvenile mentality toward war and conflict.  

 

And, yes, Russia makes good stuff.  Awesome airframes and engines.  But, it is more about the systems the airframes carry, how the systems are integrated on the battlefield and the level of training from top to bottom that decides an encounter.  I am retired U.S Air Force.  I could get into a few more details.  But, I doubt anyone here has the proper security clearance.  :)

 

All the Best,

David

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 Intelligence officials are working to confirm it is genuine.

 

 

The video is a deception designed to draw nations to participate in a war for world Zionist Bolshevism. If you look at the camera angles the cameras are removed from each position to get clean footage from all angles hence the video wasn't done in real time or we would see all of the cameras in their position. This burning video was a hollywood production.

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Hello,

Seems an oft banned American is back again.

I overlook many preposterous "statements of facts" by "those who know" on ShiaChat. But, when a statement achieves such a high level of absurdity as the one above, I feel like I must say something. And that is, narcotic ice is clueless on this particular topic.

I agree with coldcow's analysis, narcotic ice's previous posts definitely reflect a juvenile mentality toward war and conflict.

And, yes, Russia makes good stuff. Awesome airframes and engines. But, it is more about the systems the airframes carry, how the systems are integrated on the battlefield and the level of training from top to bottom that decides an encounter. I am retired U.S Air Force. I could get into a few more details. But, I doubt anyone here has the proper security clearance. :)

All the Best,

David

All the Best,

David

If I was so clueless, I wouldn't be saying all this. BUT HEY! You are free to believe and share what you like. After all, you are a retired US military personnel who has the need to basically tell us that America is still at the top. In addition to that, like I previously mentioned, the skill of the pilot is what determines the outcome, not the airplane.

But nonetheless, I'll let people decide for themselves relating to this matter. I could care less honestly about who is better or not. Only God truly knows. The only thing I'm dead on postive about is that Russia is dued to go to War against America whether anyone likes it or not. Obama is only thinking of either aiding Ukraine with lethal weapons or more sanctions. How is that going to get any better?

You think Russia and their sanctioned allies (by USA) are just going to say ok we will stop and you guys can REDUCE sanctions by a little and keep ACCUSSING other nations like usual like how the American government did regarding Syrian's (non-proven) chemical weapons crisis theory? I'm afraid not. This War is not going to be about personal gains for anyone even though Russia and their allies may get it. It is going to be about bringing reasonable justice to the so called foreign policy table.

And according to this latest news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-must-warn-russia-arms-treaty-two-way-001434576.html

Basically Obama is saying if Russia does not abide to their ways, then they can retaliate in any legal way should they choose. Which means killing Russian troops as a legal defensive campaign. Thats provoking Putin. In other words, Obama is saying he does't mind shedding blood and so there shall be War should Putin choose for it. If that doesn't make any sense, then just conclude it with Obama seeking to esculate things.

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The video is a deception designed to draw nations to participate in a war for world Zionist Bolshevism. If you look at the camera angles the cameras are removed from each position to get clean footage from all angles hence the video wasn't done in real time or we would see all of the cameras in their position. This burning video was a hollywood production.

Seriously?  Of course it wasn't shot in real time.  Do you think ISIS would let an opportunity like this go to waste by not staging it to the best of their ability?  It was real, but I'm sure it was heavily edited (both to limit the ability of inteligence to analyze the video for close and for maximum shock value).

 

Please don't live in denial.

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If I was so clueless, I wouldn't be saying all this. BUT HEY! You are free to believe and share what you like. After all, you are a retired US military personnel who has the need to basically tell us that America is still at the top. In addition to that, like I previously mentioned, the skill of the pilot is what determines the outcome, not the airplane.

But nonetheless, I'll let people decide for themselves relating to this matter. I could care less honestly about who is better or not. Only God truly knows. The only thing I'm dead on postive about is that Russia is dued to go to War against America whether anyone likes it or not. Obama is only thinking of either aiding Ukraine with lethal weapons or more sanctions. How is that going to get any better?

You think Russia and their sanctioned allies (by USA) are just going to say ok we will stop and you guys can REDUCE sanctions by a little and keep ACCUSSING other nations like usual like how the American government did regarding Syrian's (non-proven) chemical weapons crisis theory? I'm afraid not. This War is not going to be about personal gains for anyone even though Russia and their allies may get it. It is going to be about bringing reasonable justice to the so called foreign policy table.

And according to this latest news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-must-warn-russia-arms-treaty-two-way-001434576.html

Basically Obama is saying if Russia does not abide to their ways, then they can retaliate in any legal way should they choose. Which means killing Russian troops as a legal defensive campaign. Thats provoking Putin. In other words, Obama is saying he does't mind shedding blood and so there shall be War should Putin choose for it. If that doesn't make any sense, then just conclude it with Obama seeking to esculate things.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.  

 

American pilots have a MINIMUM number of flight hours they need to fly each month.  Russian pilots have  a MAXIMUM allowed that is much lower than what American pilots HAVE TO DO.  There may be a handful of good Russian pilots, but they don't get enough time to practice.  And the airplane makes a HUGE difference.  Just a moment ago you were saying Russian planes are better, now you're saying it's the pilots that matter.  Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

 

I think you mean "couldn't care less," by saying "could care less" it means you actually do care.

 

Also, since I take it you base most of your knowledge of the military from what you see in movies.  One huge advantage we have over Russia is our ability to project force anywhere in the world and maintain it indefinitely, thanks to the Navy.

 

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"Which means killing Russian troops as a legal defensive campaign. Thats provoking Putin. In other words, Obama is saying he does't mind shedding blood and so there shall be War should Putin choose for it. If that doesn't make any sense, then just conclude it with Obama seeking to esculate things. "

 

LOL.  How old are you?  You remind me of someone in high school who thinks they know everything about the world and how the world works.  Come on now, "that means.." "Obama is saying..."  Please relax before you embarass yourself even more.  You don't know what Obama is thinking, you don't even know what that article is saying.  Please do an article search over the past 20 years about similar things and you'll find Russia and the US testing each other like this.  

 

I once met someone very high up in the military once.  He was a 4 star, I'll leave it at that.  He was talking about a treaty that the Russians were supposed to sign with the US, everything was worked out, and then suddenly they refused to sign it.  He called up his counterpart and asked why they didn't sign it, and basically they felt insulted that the american general wasn't signing it (even though he technically didn't have the authority to sign it).  Long story short, the Russians have been feeling irrelevant since the fall of the Soviet Union and get very emotional when you treat them like they're irrelevant.  

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