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Basic Rules In Ilm Al-Rijal (Acc. To Al-Muhsini)

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(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

May Allah bless the 'ulama.

What I write here is a prima facie response to this great scholar, so I mean no disrespect and I only address the argument and not the man, who is superior to me. 

I do it to generate a discussion for my own learning.
May Allah grant me as much knowledge as He has granted to the 'ulama.

 

So if a Majhul narrator narrates his own praise from the Imam, we do not rule upon his Tawthiq using his own narration, what we need to do is - first prove his Wathaqa (apriori) before we can accept any of his narrations, so how can we prove his Tawthiq using his own narration? Would this not constitute a clear infinite regression?

 

It would not constitute an infinite regress but circularity only.

However, what does constitute an infinite regress in way too many cases is the Shaykh's claim that the reliability of a narrator must first be determined outside of his narration.
This is because of the following:

 

All our knowledge is based on narrations, and our narrations are of two kinds, wahid and ghayr wahid (mustafid and mutawatir), and for every narrator that is not proven reliable by either ghayr wahid narrations or wahid narrations in which the narrators are directly or indirectly, but in any case ultimately, proven reliable by ghayr wahid narrations, then that narrator is proven through a chain of wahid in which all narrators are proven through further ahad and so on, and thus their reliability is never proven

For ease of comprehension, this is analogous to Avicenna's proof for wajib ul wujud, so it is a burhan and its conclusion is known with certitude.
The Shaykh's claim undermines the validity of the 'indirect' grounding in ghayr wahid, and therefore every narrator would require immediate ghayr wahid tawthiq or suffer infinite regress.

 

How many of these chains of tawthiq and tad'if are grounded at each level in ghayr wahid
Too few if any.
In sum, it seems to me that the Shaykh's claim would either have to be abandoned and replaced by a more accommodating maxim or only narrators proven reliable by ghayr wahid narrations should be relied upon, and this would render most narrators unproven, and this would make the 'ilm useless for its ultimate purpose, which is to aid in making known the genuine reports from the Infallible.

 

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[in other words – the meaning of Adalah must be the same between how we understand it today and how it was understood by the one giving the Tawthiq, for the Tawthiq to be relevant and useful to us, meaning - the Tawthiq given by the Mutaqadim who gives it due to his belief in Asl al-Adalah will not benefit us presently, since we do not consider Asl al-Adalah to be a valid principle] 

 

Unless the tawthiq and tad'if is hadsi, then the Shuyukh of Rijal are simply inferring directly from the hissi reports of those who witnessed these narrators.
Thus, the Shuyukh would be in our position too, and would have had to know whether or not the reports of these witnesses were meant to suggest truthfulness rather than general good conduct, which are not the same.
But since we rely on the Shuyukh and not the reports that came to them, even supposing that they rely on hissi reports, we cannot be sure that they ascertained that the witnesses who originate these reports had the probative understanding of 'adala, since this is not a lexical issue to be learnt by referring to lexicons, but a conceptual issue, which differs from person to person.

 

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The one giving the Tawthiq must be contemporary to the narrator he is giving Tawthiq to, so that we are assured that his evaluation is based on his Hiss [sensory observation] and that he witnessed the signs of Adalah or the signs of Sidq from the subject of the Tawthiq

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We must have (I) certain knowledge or (II) justifiable possibility
 - that - the one giving the Tawthiq has obtained it (i.e. the Tawthiq) from a connected chain of predecessors, and that it was reported to him the signs of Adalah or Sidq through individual from individual (going upwards) until it reached to the contemporary of the subject of the Tawthiq.

And if we are to assume that both these options are not present, the words of the one giving the Tawthiq are not a Hujjah unto us, for he is deriving the Tawthiq from far-away (generational gap) Hadas (cognitive function), and Hadas is not a Mu’tabar Khabar Wahid.

 

Assuming the correctness of the above criticisms, on the basis of the Shaykh's claims, these would also have to be grounded in ghayr wahid at each level and we would need separate probative evidence that they were predicating these individuals with the predicate which ultimately implied their truthfulness.
So the above double conditions would be insufficient.
 

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And it is because of this rule that we do not accept what has been attributed to Ibn Uqdah, Ibn al- Ghadhairi and al-Barqi about the Tawthiq and Tadhif of narrators, for their books have not reached us through a Mu’tabar chain. 

 

Rijal, I think, can only be about the way of the rationals, the seera of the 'uqala, in relying on testimony with respect to the testifying individual.
It seems to me that the subject of the science would be the 'testifying individual' and the predicate would be 'is reliable', and the issues of the science would be the conditions that the testifying individual would have to meet to be worthy of the predicate.
The seera of the 'uqala is arguably to withhold reliance from someone who is reported as problematic in the relevant sense, even if the veracity of the report is unclear.
Thus, tad'if from a non-mu'tabar chain would still be some evidence, albeit weak, that the individual in question is problematic, and in the absence of any other evidence, both sanad-wise and matn-wise, the rational person may prefer to withhold reliance. 
 

 

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When there is a Mu’tabar Tawthiq and a Mu’tabar Tadhif about the same narrator, they clash and both are dropped (none is followed) except if one is closer/more in accordance – like the words of the Shaykh and an-Najashi in the case of the narrator Salim b. Mukrim, where the scholars have found an opening in not following this rule, by ruling that an-Najashi is more aware in this field, and so his decision takes precedence.

 

Following the above point about Rijal as seera of the 'uqala, it seems that one should uphold that in case of conflict between two mu'tabar reports, and in absence of all other types of evidencetad'if supersedes non-tad'if absolutely, if it is True that al-Najashi could have been wrong while al-Tusi could have been right.  

 

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And this ends my impertinent objections.

 

(wasalam)

Edited by Jebreil
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Errata: I have slightly changed the wording of the first objection I wrote (after my introductory remarks).

This is because the previous wording suggested a point, which I found mistaken, and which needed improvement.

Edited by Jebreil
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It would not constitute an infinite regress but circularity only.

However, what does constitute an infinite regress in way too many cases is the Shaykh's claim that the reliability of a narrator must first be determined outside of his narration.

This is because of the following:

 

All our knowledge is based on narrations, and our narrations are of two kinds, wahid and ghayr wahid (mustafid and mutawatir), and for every narrator that is not proven reliable by either ghayr wahid narrations or wahid narrations in which the narrators are directly or indirectly, but in any case ultimately, proven reliable by ghayr wahid narrations, then that narrator is proven through a chain of wahid in which all narrators are proven through further ahad and so on, and thus their reliability is never proven

For ease of comprehension, this is analogous to Avicenna's proof for wajib ul wujud, so it is a burhan and its conclusion is known with certitude.

The Shaykh's claim undermines the validity of the 'indirect' grounding in ghayr wahid, and therefore every narrator would require immediate ghayr wahid tawthiq.

 

How many of these chains of tawthiq and tad'if are grounded at each level in ghayr wahid

Too few if any.

If not, then the Shaykh's claim would either have to be abandoned and replaced by a more accommodating maxim or only narrators proven reliable by ghayr wahid narrations should be relied upon, and this would render most narrators unproven, and this would make the 'ilm useless for its ultimate purpose, which is to aid in making known the genuine reports from the Infallible.

 

 

al-Muhsini says Dawr which is circularity in Logic, it is my mistake to choose another word which is not synonymous to it as you rightly point out.

 

The model of Rijali information evolution that would avoid this problem that you raise here [of infinite regression] include the following:

 

One is that each Shaykh would only take Rijali information from someone whom he considers Thiqah (otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of gathering this info). He can evaluate this (without recourse to Naql) because he can establish the Wathaqa of his Shaykh directly and without needing any intermediaries and so on it goes up and beyond. We know of the Ahad Turuq al-Kubra that have brought down the legacy of most things including Hadith in our Madhhab.

 

Another possibility that can modify the above is that there was initially a group of unassailable Shuyukh in the critical two Tabaqa’s immediately after al-Sadiq [where the most number of narrations began circulation and there was a Rijali awakening due to the increase in fabrications] whose Tawthiq is beyond actually needing verbatim disclaimers to that effect [meaning their Wathaqa proven through Shuhra and not testimony – this is further strengthened by considering their status with the Aimma as part of the collective memory], and these would have begun to evaluate the direct narrators whom they were taking Hadith from as part of their scholarship [there is enough Qarain to show that they did indeed practice Rijali evaluations], they would then pass down their findings which were accepted as the normative base of men from whom the Deen is taken which were finally codified in the books we know today. 

 

These findings once widely disseminated to their peers came down by being corroborated numerous times and thus solid - the scholars of the whole Taifah seem to be unanimous in their censure of certain figures [i.e. most Rijali info seem to originate from a close group of scholarly kingpins who practiced this and their conclusions accepted and any dissension noted]. In others words a core group of trustworthy pillars setting the agenda from whom everything else arose and can be traced back to.   

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(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

Salvation

 

Shukranakhi
If the second answer is known to be True, then it seems to me that this would be sufficient.
Your first answer is one that I had thought of before correcting my post.
I believe that Shaykh Muhsini's maxim that 'the reliability of a narrator must first be determined outside of his narration' rules this answer out.
For the sake of academic discussion, i.e. overlooking your second answer which was good by itself, I would make the following argument

 

You wrote that:

 

One is that each Shaykh would only take Rijali information from someone whom he considers Thiqah (otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of gathering this info). He can evaluate this (without recourse to Naql) because he can establish Wathaqa of his Shaykh directly and without needing any intermediaries and so on it goes up and beyond.

 

But this is also True for those chains which end in a person narrating a narration in tawthiq of himself.
Now, either the sanad of this narration is sufficient to prove his reliability or not.
If it is, then Shaykh al-Muhsini would be mistaken.
But if it is not, then it would mean that the person narrating from him does not necessarily establish the reliability of the person from whom he is narrating.
Thus, to gain certitude, would have to ensure that each person P in the chain is not only reliable, but is also narrating from a reliable person Q, and if there is no separate evidence that the person Q from whom they are narrating is reliable, one would have to show that the person P has established the reliability of the person Q from whom they are narrating.
But do we have this for every person in these chains?

If not, then either Shaykh al-Muhsini's maxim renders these chains invalid or it seems that the maxim may require some tweaking.

 

(wasalam)

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