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Nuclear Deals And Foreign Dictation

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Recently in a discussion on these boards an argument was made that how Iran and India are great countries because they don't get dictated to by the foreign powers.


It was said to get to the Pakistanis who can't think straight because of their country's history of taking foreign dictation.


While there are no two opinions about this in the case of Iran, and whereas Pakistan has often acted like a US client state, one has to question the assumption behind extolling India's position vis-a-vis foreign dictation.


The easiest way is to compare Iran's and India's relations with the US for the last couple of decades to see through the argument.


The United States had always viewed Indian (and Pakistani) nuclear programs as a threat to the West and its allies. But in early 1990s when India was reeling under IMF loans and US sanctions, the then Indian government entered into back channel talks to convince them that Indian nukes were not a threat to the US or the West and asked for the sanctions to be lifted. Americans bluntly told them to normalise relations with Israel to prove their sincerity. India complied.


Magically, literally overnight, Indian nukes stopped being a threat and an era of US-Indian strategic partnership was entered into. This partnership got a fresh boost about which you can read the links below.


Pakistan was told to follow Indian example when the US imposed sanctions after nuclear tests in the late 90s but Pakistanis refused. Which was unusual since Pakistan is supposed to be a client state in the Saudi model, doing what the Americans demand, but here the usual Indian and Pakistani roles vis-a-vis foreign dictation were reversed.


This also tells us that foreign dictation is not an either/or proposition. Most developing countries are pushed to find a balance to resist dictation of powerful countries while at the same preserve their country's interests. Some countries are more successful in this than the others, depending on their internal politics, size and geostrategic location.


Note that India is not a signatory to NPT (Nuclear non-proliferation treaty) whereas Iran is but we still get the following:


The US and India have announced a breakthrough on a pact that will allow American companies to supply India with civilian nuclear technology.


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said the nations were embarking on a "new journey" of co-operation, with stronger defence and trade ties.


Mr Obama said that the nations had declared a new friendship. Read full HERE


Why? Because of this:


PM Modi Meets Israeli Prime Minister in New York, Discusses Defence Co-operation


Prime Minister Narendra Modi met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in New York on Sunday in the first high level meet between the two nations since Mr Modi swept to power earlier this year.

The prime ministers of the two nations met on Sunday on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly to discuss cooperation in areas ranging from agriculture and water management to defence and cyber-security.

The "sky is the limit" for relations between the two countries, Benjamin Netanyahu told Mr Modi, The Jerusalem Post reported.

"We are two old people, some of the oldest civilizations on earth. But also two democracies, proud of our tradition, but also eager to seize the future," Netanyahu said according to the Israeli newspaper. "I believe that if we work together it will be for the benefit of both our peoples."

Mr Netanyahu invited Mr Modi to visit Israel- which he has visited as the chief minister of Gujarat,




It may be argued that the current Indian foreign policy is in line with its interests, that India doesn't need to keep speaking against injustice to harm its own interests. So its strategic partnership with the US and Israel is understandable. This may so but the pied pipers of Incredible Indiaon these boards should be consistent when they criticise those camps that support US hegemony in the region through its Zionist proxy, and those that don't. Or those that exist to take foreign dictation (Saudi et al) and those that don't (Iran, Syria, Russia).


There is a reason that, of all the emerging powers in the region (China, Russia, India), it is the latter which is a US strategic partner and not others.


A useful summary from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Israel_relations

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Western democracy is another name for Western imperialism. Essentially, it requires that the world be run on a master-slave basis.  


Any nation who will not enlist as a slave will lose. India has been a partial slave for a long time. 


But now, after almost 70 years, she has decided to opt for full-blown slavery in exchange for nuclear technology.


India was one of the very few non-Muslim nations who voted against the creation of Israel in the UN General Assembly.


All that is now water under the bridge.  

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The new strategic partnerships in Asia.


In 2012, the Obama administration announced that it was going to be intensifying its focus to the Asia-Pacific in a policy popularly known as the “rebalance to Asia”.


The objective was to address the fact that the balance of powers in the Asia-Pacific region shifted in China's favor following the 9/11 attacks and the US war on terror.


...what is clear is the bilateral relations between Asia's maritime democracies – India, the United States, Australia and Japan – are stronger than ever. These four countries interact regularly at a military-to-military level as well share intelligence regularly.


...the larger goal that the United States would be pursuing here [in India] is to convince India to join a coalition of democracies to balance China's rise. Although it won't be publicized, this topic will likely be ever-present in their private conversations.



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