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Iraqi Military Does Not Respect The War Captive?

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If those are ISIS , i don't see anything disturbing what so ever, would've been nice to see them executed on the spot

Islam is against executing prisoners, in fact we have to treat them in the same way we treat ourselves. That means not beating them, giving them good food and drink and clothing.

 

Don't let your hate misguide you.

 

OP, and those militia call themselves, Jaish Al-Mahdi.

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to the two who posted in support of what happened in this video:

you forget your manners and your deen. Once a man who always walked with imam hussain AS called his slave the son of an adulteress. the imam became angry with him because he was ignorant of their customs and that every ummah has something which legitimizes their relations. After this the Imam (as) told the man to get away from him.

 

Now imagine how disgusted the prophet (s) and his family (pbut) would be with us after they (as) saw us doing this in spite of all their teachings. I would fear they would disown us. Cheering on behavior like this makes us hardly any different from the enemies of islam. I feel that becoming like the wrong-doer is the worst kind of defeat.

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Islam is against executing prisoners, in fact we have to treat them in the same way we treat ourselves. That means not beating them, giving them good food and drink and clothing.

 

Don't let your hate misguide you.

 

OP, and those militia call themselves, Jaish Al-Mahdi.

This rule is true for prisoners of war, aka soldiers. Now the question is if these dogs are mercenaries or soldiers.

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This rule is true for prisoners of war, aka soldiers. Now the question is if these dogs are mercenaries or soldiers.

What difference does it make? Soldiers and mercenaries are the same, they both fight for a gain and when they are captured they both become prisoners.

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What difference does it make? Soldiers and mercenaries are the same, they both fight for a gain and when they are captured they both become prisoners.

I still don't understand the difference if they kill them in battle or kill them when they run out of ammo or are taken by surprise at gunpoint. The ISF could have torched the place with napalm and burned the dogs alive, but if we want to inflict a fraction of that pain and have the mercy of keeping them alive or give them a swift death then we have done something unacceptable. We have to stop treating these militias like children by trying to reason with them. America created this abomination and they themselves say that they don't "negotiate with terrorists". Well why can't we adopt the same strategy? Sadly no other part of the world is messed up enough for me to use it as an example of how a country would react, but the US started a war and went on a 2 billion dollar witch hunt after Bin Laden just because 2 buildings went down and 3,000 people died. I'm not saying that's not a tragedy, but look at the atrocities that ISIS have commited. I think beating up a few of those brainless mongols can be allowed.

 

On Iraqi TV I have seen criminals who have blown up 16 cars get interviewed and some of the families that were affected got the chance to talk to them. In my opinion I would say that the families should've gotten permission to beat up the terrorist, maybe get executed shortly after. This strategy of the Army cowering and getting executed regardless while we give the ISIS convicts cold water and better living conditions than 30% of Iraqi citizens is stupid. A squad of lightly armed SWAT soldiers coming into Anbar to escort a woman going to give birth (turned out to be fake) were ambushed, humiliated and savagely murdered, but not too long ago, a young man (17-21) who had taken part in the Tikrit massacre was shaking and talked politely, but treated with respect and given drinks. He probably will have to wait in a cell with constant electricity and water for a few years, or if it was a life sentence then he will just have to wait until ISIS controls the prison for a few hours so he can go back to killing.

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I still don't understand the difference if they kill them in battle or kill them when they run out of ammo or are taken by surprise at gunpoint. The ISF could have torched the place with napalm and burned the dogs alive, but if we want to inflict a fraction of that pain and have the mercy of keeping them alive or give them a swift death then we have done something unacceptable. We have to stop treating these militias like children by trying to reason with them. America created this abomination and they themselves say that they don't "negotiate with terrorists". Well why can't we adopt the same strategy? Sadly no other part of the world is messed up enough for me to use it as an example of how a country would react, but the US started a war and went on a 2 billion dollar witch hunt after Bin Laden just because 2 buildings went down and 3,000 people died. I'm not saying that's not a tragedy, but look at the atrocities that ISIS have commited. I think beating up a few of those brainless mongols can be allowed.

 

Islam does not care about your whims and fancies. The bold part I think is Biddah in which case you have committed a very big sin and it needs repentance.

 

Take a look at how Imam Ali (as) treated Muawiyas army at the battle of siffein. Every time Muawiya controlled the water he would deny it to Imam Ali's army saying that he wishes to kill Ali's army and that is the quickest way.

 

Then Imam Ali takes control of the water and he freely allowed Muawiya's army to take water and treats them as brothers.

 

Who do you think is more in the wrong, Muawiya or ISIS? Clearly Muawiya, yet the Imam who lived by the laws of Islam treated his enemies as all Muslims should treat their enemies.

 

If God says don't kill prisoners or don't torture prisoners or don't beat prisoners, if God tells you to keep your prisoners in the same condition that you are in, give him the same food that you eat. Then who are we to change the Laws of God simply because we hate ISIS so much? Do we follow God or do we follow our emotions? Is God the one who dictates how we should behave or are we the ones to create Sharia laws? 

 

This war will never be won by Shias if we behave like ISIS against our enemies, most of the people fighting for ISIS are naive Muslims who have been misled, we should keep following Islamic Laws and make the deceived ISIS members see that we are Muslims.

 

A large segment of Muawiya's army also left Muawiya when Ali let them have water because they realized Ali is not a Kaffir as Muawiya claimed and they realized and saw Ali is better than Muawiya and so many of Muawiyas army left Muawiya and joined Ali, the remaining people in Muawiya's army were left confused and this was the cause of Muawiya's defeat. 

 

But Ali lost because Ali's army decided to think like you think and they decided to take Islamic Laws into their own hand and made fighting Haram when Imam Ali were commanding them to fight.

 

So please don't act so foolishly and think mistreating prisoners is allowed because they were not on your side or on God's side. Never treat people according to how you feel, feel sorry for the misguided not treat them badly and force them to remain in the position they are in.

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Are you saying this because you know or just wildly guessing based on your opinion?

Does it matter when they both become prisoners? Is it allowed to treat mercenary prisoners different to soldier prisoners? I am guessing they would be the same (prisoners).

 

Enlighten me if I am wrong please.:)

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An old topic I know but I have come across several instances where some soldiers are not respecting the laws as they should be i.e. treatment of the dead bodies for example i.e. foot on their heads victory snapshots etc. I personally find that very distasteful but then I am not there on the ground and suffered as the brave soldiers there have. Still, there should be some restrain in this regard, we are followers of the Ahlulbayt (as) after all.

 

Came across this on the site of Ayatullah Sistani (I think the same is given as pamphlets to the fighters as well. I've seen something similar in photos on twitter in Arabic, could be wrong): Advice and Guidance to the Fighters on the Battlefields.

 

I recall a Friday sermon where the Maulana mentioned how a Sunni historian wrote that if it were not for the examples of Imam Ali (as) during the wars he had to face, we would have never known how the treatment of muslim captives should have been. I think if it were left to the likes of Muawiya, Yazeed and their offspring of today, nothing would have remained of Islamic manners in this regard.

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None of the party in this war subscribe to Geneva convention. ISIS went to the most extreme cruelty and barbarism. Did they ever subscribe to common rules of decency of warfare? If they don't then no rules are applicable. They will be judged according to how they were - an eye for an eye, a limb for a limb, life for life.

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