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Hezbollah which means Party of Allah is a religious, islamic shia fundamentalist party. It was founded by IRGC(islamic rev. Gurad corps) of Iran after PLO left Lebanon and Israel let Phalanges mass massacre palestinian refugees.

It is the armed resistance movement against Israel.

In Lebanon War, it delivered the single biggest victory for muslims against the Yahudis(israel). This won it popularity among both sunni and shia. Incidently, this is when Iran also became very popular among arabs. It also killed US marines.

Its current leader is Hassan Nasrallah.

Their largest operation is now in Syria in syrian civil war, fighting for the current government of Bashar al-Assad. This move has been highly criticized by lebanese sunnis, and frowned upon by rest of Arab world.

Their main enemies include Israhell, USA, Nato, Yehudi Arabia(Saudis), Bahrain, Takfiris, Wahabis.

Among their weapons are Iranian made missiles, drones and Anti-ship missiles. It is rumoured that they have cluster bombs and Scud-D missiles given by Assad.

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Hezbollah isn't a single person.

 

I think you mean the Secretary General of Hezbollah: Sayed Hassan Nasrallah.

 

He is a Lebanese Arab Shia

He protects Lebanon from foreign and domestic threats such as Israel and Takfiris

His enemies are some Arab hypocrites, agents of Zionists, Takfiris, Israel, and the US has put Hezbollah on its list of terrorists, so every country which has declared war on terrorism has declared war on Hezbollah.

 

But Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, they build hospitals, schools, fight invader and terrorists. It is the deceptive and treacherous western policies.

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Salaam,

 

Without getting into it, I suggest the OP study The history of Lebanon, especially from the 70's on...

 

But Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, they build hospitals, schools, fight invader and terrorists. It is the deceptive and treacherous western policies.

 

 

This line of reasoning is fallacious. Takfiri monsters like Da'ish and Taliban that kill Shi'a like dogs on the side of the road (at least claim) to do those things also.

 

Providing basic needs and services doesn't somehow excuse or negate support for (or even participation in) terrorism; in fact, it's one of the oldest excuses in the book...

 

WS

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Salaam,

 

Without getting into it, I suggest the OP study The history of Lebanon, especially from the 70's on...

 

 

 

This line of reasoning is fallacious. Takfiri monsters like Da'ish and Taliban that kill Shi'a like dogs on the side of the road (at least claim) to do those things also.

 

Providing basic needs and services doesn't somehow excuse or negate support for (or even participation in) terrorism; in fact, it's one of the oldest excuses in the book...

 

WS

Salam dear brother. Do you have any proof of anything which slightly shows that Hezbollah is involved in terrorism?

 

I was not saying that Hezbollah can't be a terrorist organization because it builds hospitals, building hospitals is something terrorists don't do.

 

I am also saddened that you would compare Shia martyrs with dogs.

 

Inshallah this Ummah will improve 

 

 

Wasalam

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Salam dear brother. Do you have any proof of anything which slightly shows that Hezbollah is involved in terrorism?

 

I was not saying that Hezbollah can't be a terrorist organization because it builds hospitals, building hospitals is something terrorists don't do.

 

I am also saddened that you would compare Shia martyrs with dogs.

 

Inshallah this Ummah will improve 

 

 

Wasalam

Wa 'alaykum as-salaam brother,

 

A few important points: 

 

1) No, I don't have any personal, conclusive proof that Hezbollah is involved in terrorism in any way, but the organization has been implicated in numerous terror attacks, such as the Buenos Aires Israeli Embassy and Jewish Center attacks, the Burgas bus bombing in Bulgaria, etc...My objection to your statement was directed more at the logical structure of your argument than at Hezbollah as an organization itself.

 

2) I had absolutely no intention of comparing Shi'a martyrs to dogs or disparaging Shi'a in any way. The idea I was trying to convey was that the da'ish monsters treat and kill others in the same manner as one would a wild or stray dog. My statement was meant more as a criticism of da'ish than my Shi'a...I'm an ashik of at-Tariqat Bektasiyya myself, so I share the same fate as any other Shi'a at the hands of the nasibis (Allah curse every last one of them). I sincerely apologize again for the misunderstanding!

 

WS 

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If someone is not Hezbollah , he is Hezb E Shaitan.

 

Either you are army of Allah or Army of Shaitaan.

 

it is same like Either you are Muslim or Non Muslim.

 

 

You judge which side you are ?

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Salam dear brother. Do you have any proof of anything which slightly shows that Hezbollah is involved in terrorism?

 

I was not saying that Hezbollah can't be a terrorist organization because it builds hospitals, building hospitals is something terrorists don't do.

 

I am also saddened that you would compare Shia martyrs with dogs.

 

Inshallah this Ummah will improve 

 

 

Wasalam

Salam 

tell abu omar Salam :)

he believes the lies. 

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Salaams,

 

This is obviously a very sensitive topic on this forum, but I just couldn't let this one go, because I don't like being insulted or having my words twisted...

 

I don't understand why it's impossible or inconceivable for both sides of this conflict to be guilty of terrorism, if not currently than at least in the past. Israeli collusion and cooperation with various (mainly Christian) militias resulted in mass slaughter among the (mainly Muslim) civilian population of South Lebanon...and there shouldn't be any one's mind that Israel was guilty of terrorism for what they did.

 

(At least according to some people) Hezbollah was notorious for bombing so-called Israeli "soft targets" around the globe, as well as deliberately targeting civilian population centers with rather inaccurate artillery pieces that has also resulted in mass civilian casualties, and not just of Israelis. Again, I bring up the AMIA bombings as an example of this, more than one investigation has concluded that Hezbollah was at least complicit in the attack if not directly responsible.  And guess what? that's also terrorism in my book...

 

Say what you will about targeted killings and kidnappings. However distasteful and reprehensible these acts are to many of us, an argument can be made that they at least have the benefit of minimizing civilian and non-combatant "collateral damage." Again, both sides engage in these activities (or have in the past) and both sides have their arguments and justifications for so doing, regardless of how we personally feel about them. But targeting civilian population centers is terrorism, plain and clear...

 

I'm done ranting on about this, and I apologize again if anything I said was understood or construed in an offensive manner, that was most definitely not my intention. May all blessed martyrs eternally rest in peace!

 

WS      

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allegations made against Hezbollah

zionist media cannot sit down and see Hezbollah is getting more popularity.

 

you think creating false document is very difficult for mossad? 

at least according to some people Isis represents Islam (thanks to the efforts of the aforementioned media) does this "some people" change anything about reality?

 

allegations made by zionist media are different than situations where the terrorists claim responsibility openly. IF Hezbollah wanted to rule by fear (as the word terrorism denotes) it wouldn't be so difficult and hidden. they would openly admit it so to create more fear. but they don't shoot themselves in the foot. that's very clear in their general policies and also by understanding the level of animosity israel has against them.

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Wa 'alaykum as-salaam brother,

 

A few important points: 

 

1) No, I don't have any personal, conclusive proof that Hezbollah is involved in terrorism in any way, but the organization has been implicated in numerous terror attacks, such as the Buenos Aires Israeli Embassy and Jewish Center attacks, the Burgas bus bombing in Bulgaria, etc...My objection to your statement was directed more at the logical structure of your argument than at Hezbollah as an organization itself.

 

2) I had absolutely no intention of comparing Shi'a martyrs to dogs or disparaging Shi'a in any way. The idea I was trying to convey was that the da'ish monsters treat and kill others in the same manner as one would a wild or stray dog. My statement was meant more as a criticism of da'ish than my Shi'a...I'm an ashik of at-Tariqat Bektasiyya myself, so I share the same fate as any other Shi'a at the hands of the nasibis (Allah curse every last one of them). I sincerely apologize again for the misunderstanding!

 

WS 

 

Assalamu Alaykum,

 

1) Implicated by the CIA and Mossad. Not the most objective parties!

 

2) May Allah (SWT) protect all the sincere lovers of Ahl Al-Bayt.

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Salaam Brothers,

 

At least in the case of the AMIA bombing, it's definitely fair to criticize the ways in which both Mossad, the Menem government and other shadowy organizations "influenced the results" of and obstructed the preliminary investigation. High-ranking members of the Argentine provincial police force, judges and even presidents of the country have all been suspected of either directly collaborating with the attackers or at the very least allowing the attack to unfold. At this point in time (over twenty years later) the case is still far from closed, and probably never will be...

 

It only makes sense that the intelligence apparatus of a nation (Mossad) would be involved in an investigation into act of terror against its interests and citizens abroad;  after all, that's one of the main reasons why such organizations exist in the first place. Mossad definitely has a well-earned reputation for tampering with to  crime scenes, destroying evidence, "disappearing" suspects/witnesses/persons of interest, etc., to suit its agenda and objectives. I think this probably applies to every other intelligence agency on Earth, too.

 

Nevertheless, additional investigations in the years following the attack  have consistently implicated the IRI/Hezbollah (along with their Latin American cohorts). Again, anyone interested should do their own independent research on this subject, if for no other reason to get a better idea of how ridiculously entangled both Israel and the IRI are in Latin American politics. Both parties are (or at least have been in the past) willing to murder noncombatants right alongside their intended targets and utterly destroy the lives and property of anyone caught in the middle...Civilian noncombatants ultimately bear the brunt in any armed conflict; it's all so tragic...

 

And Allah knows best, any errors in what I do or say are entirely my own...

 

WS  

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Salaam,

 

Again, I don't have any "proof;" I don't have a time machine, and all parties involved are murderers, liars and crooks IMO...http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-17570484...

 

Here's another one from 08..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564660.stm.

 

Do a quick search for "Carlos Menem" or  "Juan Jose Galeano" to get an idea of the kind of people we're dealing with (in addition to the Israelis and others)

 

Here's one in Spanish, which alleges high-ranking government involvement in the attack as well as its subsequent and continuous cover-up... http://www.perfil.com/sociedad/Amia-un-ex-secretario-del-juez-Juan-Jose-Galeano-denuncio-que-fue-secuestradro-y-torturado-20090307-0025.html

 

So no, I don't have any "proof," but as a general rule, in Latin America (and elsewhere I'm assuming) if police and special forces types kidnap and torture investigators, then it's usually a pretty safe bet to assume that someone is hiding something...

 

WS 

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Salaam,

 

Again, I don't have any "proof;" I don't have a time machine, and all parties involved are murderers, liars and crooks IMO...http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-17570484...

 

Here's another one from 08..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564660.stm.

 

Do a quick search for "Carlos Menem" or  "Juan Jose Galeano" to get an idea of the kind of people we're dealing with (in addition to the Israelis and others)

 

Here's one in Spanish, which alleges high-ranking government involvement in the attack as well as its subsequent and continuous cover-up... http://www.perfil.com/sociedad/Amia-un-ex-secretario-del-juez-Juan-Jose-Galeano-denuncio-que-fue-secuestradro-y-torturado-20090307-0025.html

 

So no, I don't have any "proof," but as a general rule, in Latin America (and elsewhere I'm assuming) if police and special forces types kidnap and torture investigators, then it's usually a pretty safe bet to assume that someone is hiding something...

 

WS 

 

BBC?

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^^^ So you're going to dismiss any Western source? What other sources are available then? Obviously the sources that you personally trust are ones that are in favour of Iran - so why would they talk ill of them?

 

It is quite a black and white thing to talk about though. Either you consider them bad or good, still haven't seen a news source or serious person who is "meh, i'm indifferent".

 

You seem to have this grudge against anything related to Iran and tend to speak up whenever anything related to them is posted. Which is fine and is your right. But in regards to hezbollah, since we are on the subject, it shouldn't be dismissed that it was Hezbollah(the Iranian faction of it) that kept ISIS at bay in Iraq, whether people like it or not. 

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It is quite a black and white thing to talk about though. Either you consider them bad or good, still haven't seen a news source or serious person who is "meh, i'm indifferent".

 

You seem to have this grudge against anything related to Iran and tend to speak up whenever anything related to them is posted. Which is fine and is your right. But in regards to hezbollah, since we are on the subject, it shouldn't be dismissed that it was Hezbollah(the Iranian faction of it) that kept ISIS at bay in Iraq, whether people like it or not.

Tis the truth.

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It is quite a black and white thing to talk about though. Either you consider them bad or good, still haven't seen a news source or serious person who is "meh, i'm indifferent".

You seem to have this grudge against anything related to Iran and tend to speak up whenever anything related to them is posted. Which is fine and is your right. But in regards to hezbollah, since we are on the subject, it shouldn't be dismissed that it was Hezbollah(the Iranian faction of it) that kept ISIS at bay in Iraq, whether people like it or not.

Not not quite. Iran has done more than any Iraqi politician in regards to the current situation. We do not help from Iran in regards to our current situation, and I do support the Hizb when it comes to the situation against the Zionists. What I am against is following Iranian propaganda blindly, every state has flaws, so any state is up for criticism. So don't open PressTV and imagine that it's 100% correct. Edited by DaBeast313

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Who the hell cares what I think?

 

If there is a group which is fighting for truth and justice, which is upholding the school of thought of ahlul bayt, which is defending the honor not only of Shias but of all people within its grasp... a group which is led by a man of rare brilliance and foresight, ...

 

Who the hell cares if some doosh bag from the internet doesn't have the highest opinion of them?

 

If I say "I am Baradar Jackson and I think Hezbollah is stoopid," what difference would that make in the world?

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Salaams,

 

Fair enough about questioning anything reported by the Beeb; I still figured that posting those sources would be less controversial than linking to a Haaretz or Jerusalem Post article...

 

But what about all the regional, Spanish-language material on this subject? Are these local investigators also part of some vast conspiracy against the IRI/Hezbollah? 

 

I'm not condemning everything that the group does or has done; to do so is ridiculous IMO...There have been many points in time where Hezbollah was the only institution offering anything resembling law, order and basic services in Southern Lebanon, and I've heard first-hand reports (from those who were actually there) that the IRI/Hezbollah was the only group offering any kind of actually useful military assistance to the beleaguered Kosovars and Croats in their greatest times of need against the Serbs; They also helped some indigenous Central American peoples in their brave fight for survival against their savage (U.S.-backed) imperialist oppressors. I don't have any "proof" for any of these examples, so everyone reading this should dismiss these last claims as part of some vast pro-IRI/Hezbollah conspiracy...

 

To everyone who actually participated in this discussion in a polite and constructive manner: Thank you, people like you give me hope for our shared future as civilized, responsible adults...

 

To everyone else who felt compelled to indirectly insult/attack me for daring to offer my (unpopular on this forum) opinion of Hezbollah: Grow up, your behavior is neither productive nor helpful to your cause and only reveals that you don't have anything of value to add to this conversation.

 

Rant Over; Have a blessed and enlightened day everyone!

 

WS

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Not not quite. Iran has done more than any Iraqi politician in regards to the current situation. We do not help from Iran in regards to our current situation, and I do support the Hizb when it comes to the situation against the Zionists. What I am against is following Iranian propaganda blindly, every state has flaws, so any state is up for criticism. So don't open PressTV and imagine that it's 100% correct.

That is your weakness. You pretty much rely on two thing when it comes to your opinion; pressTV and western news. That is why you come off as uninformed.

Most serious iranian news agencies have arabic as well, get to reading. PressTv is weak and is meant as a weapon agaist westerners, its not for you and me. And they are doing a horrid job, everyone knows this. If you want to be taken serious you need to be better informed.

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:huh:

Why does DaBeast313 always act childish when it comes to Iran?

He kind of is a teen. That shouldnt be a reason to disregard someone though. He hangs out with the wrong crowd, thats the problem.

^^^ Lol - please name those agencies so I can become an informed person.

xD

Farsnews

Rajanews

Kayhannews

Start with those first......

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Why does DaBeast313 always act childish when it comes to Iran?

Lol. It's funny seeing your reactions.

He kind of is a teen. That shouldnt be a reason to disregard someone though. He hangs out with the wrong crowd, thats the problem.

Farsnews

Rajanews

Kayhannews

Start with those first......

Okay, will do.

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Who the hell cares what I think?

 

If there is a group which is fighting for truth and justice, which is upholding the school of thought of ahlul bayt, which is defending the honor not only of Shias but of all people within its grasp... a group which is led by a man of rare brilliance and foresight, ...

 

Who the hell cares if some doosh bag from the internet doesn't have the highest opinion of them?

 

If I say "I am Baradar Jackson and I think Hezbollah is stoopid," what difference would that make in the world?

Every support matters.

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Not not quite. Iran has done more than any Iraqi politician in regards to the current situation. We do not help from Iran in regards to our current situation, and I do support the Hizb when it comes to the situation against the Zionists. What I am against is following Iranian propaganda blindly, every state has flaws, so any state is up for criticism. So don't open PressTV and imagine that it's 100% correct.

 

What's with you and commenting on every post that has PressTV in it? I could probably pull out like 8 different threads where you're spewing out random irrelevant comments about PressTV even when it's not related to the OP.

 

Anyway, you are quite foolish if you believe that there is a news station anywhere in this world that doesn't relay propaganda at all. Every single damn news outlet in the world is involved in some kind of propaganda and Iran is just doing its part with PressTV and its kind. To single out PressTV and disregard it because its PressTV, is an extremely childish thing to do and really shows your age. Iran is just trying to counter the Western propaganda shown against it with its own propaganda, creating a huge cloud of contaminated propaganda for us to watch.

 

You don't need to believe everything PressTV says, but you can at least be selective of some of its content instead of plugging your ears to everything it says. Even FoxNews has decent broadcasts at times and is needless to say that it has a bad rep for being biased, but it's still the most watched cable news outlet in the U.S. for the 13th straight year. So you can't say that it's ineffective.

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