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Umar b. Khattab wrote a letter to Muaiyah l.a., the contents of which were as follows:  
 
‘I went to the house of Ali, after having decided with others to bring him out of the house. Fatima came out and I told her, ‘Tell Ali to come out and swear the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr for all Muslims have done so.’
 
Fatima replied that Ali was busy in arranging the Quran.
 
I said, ’Keep this talk aside, tell Ali to come out or else we will forcefully enter the house and bring him out!’
 
At that moment, Fatima came and stood with her back towards the door and said, ‘O misled liars! What do you say and what do you want from us?’
 
I addressed her and she said, ‘What do you want O Umar?’
 
I replied, ‘Why has your cousin sent you here to reply while he remains seated behind veils?’
Fatima said, ‘Your rebellion has brought me out O Umar and I have ended my proof upon you, and every misled is erroneous.’
 
I said, ‘Keep these vain and womanish words aside and tell Ali to come out of the house.’
She replied, ‘You are not worthy of love and generosity. Do you make us fear the ‘Party of the Devil’ O Umar? Verily the Party of the Devil are the losers!’ (Surah Mujadilah (58): 19)
Hearing this I said, ‘If Ali does not come out of the house, I will bring fuel and kindle a fire and burn down the house along with its dwellers or I will take Ali to the Masjid for (the oath of) allegiance.’
 
Then I took the whip (of Qunfudh) and struck Fatima with it and told Khalid b. Walid, ‘Bring firewood’, then again I told her, ‘I will burn down the house!’
Fatima said, ‘O enemy of Allah and enemy of the Prophet of Allah s.a.w.a. and the enemy of the Commander of the Faithful!’
 
 
 
Two hands came out from behind the door to stop me from entering the house, however I pushed back the hands and then pushed the door with force, while striking at her hands with the whip, so that she would let go of the door. She wailed and wept due to the intense pain of the whip and her weeping was such a heart-rendering scream that it was as if my heart was going to melt and I almost retreated. Suddenly, I recalled the envy and avarice which I had towards Ali because he was the one that had shed the blood of the eminent Quraish apostates and thus, I kicked at the door, however she had grasped the door such that it would not open. When I kicked at the door, I heard the cry of Fatima and thought that this cry would topple the entire city of Medina.
 
In this state Fatima called out, ‘O Father! O Prophet of Allah! How do they treat your beloved and your daughter! O Fizza! Hasten to my aid, for by Allah, the child in my womb has been killed.’
I presumed that Fatima had stood with her back to the wall due to the extreme pain of labour and at this point, I pushed at the door with intense force and the door opened. When I entered therein, Fatima came and stood in front of me (even though she was in immense pain), but my intense anger had overwhelmed me as if a veil was cast before my eyes. In this state, I slapped her on her face, striking her veil, and she fell down to the ground.’”
 

 

 

 

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If you missed recent message of Rahbar-e-Moazzam Ayatullah Khamnei .. " It is haraam to say bad or curse muqaddasaat of Ahle Sunnat "  anybody who is provoking disturbance in unity is culprit of Anti-Islam and whether he knows it or not. He is neither Shia nor Sunni he is enemy.

 

We all are aware of history and Insha Allah Allah will do justice.

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 if u missed the message of the Holy Prophet (sawa) , the greatest creation of Allah (twt) .. pls read it below 

 

The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) informed Salmaan, ".... He with whom my daughter is pleased, will benefit from my pleasure, and he with whom, I am pleased will benefit from Allah's Pleasure. And he with whom Fatemah is angry, will incur my wrath and he with whom I am angry will be a target of Allah's Wrath. Most deplorable is the one who tyrannizes Fatemah (s.a.) or her husband Ameerul Momineen (a.s.) or her sons or their Shias" (Ref :Faraaed al-Simtain book 2, p 67 )


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 you also missed this 

 

سعد بن جناح الكشي، قال: حدثني علي بن محمد بن يزيد القمي عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن فضالة بن أيوب عن الحسين بن عثمان الرواسي، عن سدير، قال: دخلت على ابي جعفر عليه السلام ومعي سلمة بن كهيل، وأبو المقدام ثابت الحداد، وسالم بن أبي حفصة، وكثير النواء، وجماعة معهم، وعند أبي جعفر عليه السلام أخوه زيد بن علي عليهم السلام فقالوا لابي جعفر عليه السلام نتولي عليا وحسنا وحسينا ونتبرأ من أعداهم ! قال: نعم. قالوا: نتولي ابا بكر وعمر ونتبرأ من اعدائهم ! قال: فالتفت إليهم زيد بن علي قال: لهم اتتبرؤن من فاطمة بترتم أمرنا بتركم الله، فيومئذ سموا البترية
 

al-Kashi narrated: Sad b. Jannāh narrated to me. He said: Alī b. Muhammad b. Yazīd al-Qummī narrated to me from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Īsā from al-Husayn b. Saīd from Fadāla b. Ayyūb from al-Husayn b. Uthmān al-Ruwāsī from Sadīr. He said:


I entered upon Abī Jafar (as) and with me was Salma b. Kuhayl and Abū al-Miqadām al-Haddād and Sālim b. Abī Hafsa and Kathīr al-Nawā and a from with them and with Abī Jafar (as) was his brother Zayd b. Alī. 

 
So they said to Abī Jafar: We hold to wilāya of Ali (as), Hasan (as), and Husayn (as) and dissociate ourselves from their enemies! He (as) said: Yes. They said: We hold to the wilāya of Abī Bakr and Umar and we dissociate ourselves from their enemies! Then Zayd b. Ali turned to them and said to them: Do you dissociate yourselves from Fātima (sa)  ?! You have mutilated our affair! Allah mutilate you! So from that day they were named the "Batriyya" (those of mutilation)
 
[source: Rijaal al-Kashi, Pg. 205]

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If you missed recent message of Rahbar-e-Moazzam Ayatullah Khamnei .. " It is haraam to say bad or curse muqaddasaat of Ahle Sunnat "  anybody who is provoking disturbance in unity is culprit of Anti-Islam and whether he knows it or not. He is neither Shia nor Sunni he is enemy.

 

We all are aware of history and Insha Allah Allah will do justice.

I do not think hesham102001 says bad or curse muqaddasaat of Ahle Sunnat.

 

Does Rahbar-e-Moazzam Ayatullah Khamnei want to keep/stay quiet about the teaching of Islam, various history of Islam ?

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 anyone who is cursed by Allah , The Holy Prophet (sawa) , The Infaliible Imams (as) and Hazrat Fatemah Zahra (sa) her self can never be Muqaddas in the eyes if the shia 

 

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله : من يأجم أن يلعن من لعنه الله فعليه لعنة الله

Holy Prophet Muhammad (saww) said:
 
"He who is reluctant to curse whomever Allah has cursed, upon him is the curse of Allah."
 
Source: Bihar Al Anwar Vol. 25 Pg. 318/319 & Rijal Al Kashi Pg. 328

ـن الصادق جعفر بن محمد (عليهما السلام ), قال : من جالس لنا عائبا, او مدح لنا قاليا, او واصل لنا قـاطـعـا, اوقـطـع لـنـا واصـلا, او والـى لنا عدوا, او عادى لنا وليا فقد كفر بالذي انزل السبع المثاني والقرآن العظيم
 
Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said:
 
"Whoso ever sits with a person who puts flaws on Us, or praises the one who lowers Us, or continues relation with the one who has cut relations with Us, or cuts relation with the one who has relation with Us, or befriends Our enemies, or has enmity with Our friends then verily he has denied (done Kufr) the one (Allah) who has reveled the Seven-repeated verses (Al-Hamd) and the Holy Quran.
 
Source: Amaali - Sheikh Sadooq Majalis.13 Hadees.7, Bihar Al Anwar Vol.27 Pg.52

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I am not a hadith guy but why would Omer, buy the skin, write on the skin, what an evil act he did, and why would he write a transcript to Muawiya?

 

Sorry but this sounds ridiculous, Omer would write this letter and send a messenger to deliver it across the middle east for what? so that Muawiya can read about the daily life of Omer and what Omer said and what Fatima replied? This letter has no meaning or purpose to it, why would Omer send such a letter?

 

And please don't say he sent the letter so he could have a LOL with Muawiya.

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I am not a hadith guy but why would Omer, buy the skin, write on the skin, what an evil act he did, and why would he write a transcript to Muawiya?

 

Sorry but this sounds ridiculous, Omer would write this letter and send a messenger to deliver it across the middle east for what? so that Muawiya can read about the daily life of Omer and what Omer said and what Fatima replied? This letter has no meaning or purpose to it, why would Omer send such a letter?

 

And please don't say he sent the letter so he could have a LOL with Muawiya.

 

Oh my, I also curious. Did not Umar afraid of Mu'awiya so that he always report to his bigboss (Muawiya).

I remember a hadis saying that Umar amaze to Mu'awiya that Muawiya is just like a king or something.

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I do not think hesham102001 says bad or curse muqaddasaat of Ahle Sunnat.

 

Does Rahbar-e-Moazzam Ayatullah Khamnei want to keep/stay quiet about the teaching of Islam, various history of Islam ?

No he does not, there is no point shouting LA on Omer besides insulting those who like Omer, if you want to show his badness, a LA is not going to do it.

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No he does not, there is no point shouting LA on Omer besides insulting those who like Omer, if you want to show his badness, a LA is not going to do it.

 

Part of my soul in most of my entire life is appreciate and amaze by Umar. Now i am on la.

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I do not think hesham102001 says bad or curse muqaddasaat of Ahle Sunnat.

 

Does Rahbar-e-Moazzam Ayatullah Khamnei want to keep/stay quiet about the teaching of Islam, various history of Islam ?

 

he use LA with Umar that is Muqaddas person in Ahle Sunnat. on that Particular i wrote.

 

and second line , why not ask Rahbar-e-Moazzam .. that is his Fatwa not mine. I was just reminding.

 

And shiachat is a public platform where he are using such curse with there Muqadass person, whatever he is doing in home no body asking.

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Reported for cursing the second Calipha. This really needs to stop.

 

We curse in the safety of our homes and our brothers are being blown up in the middle east or asia or persecuted in south east asia , or globally.

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he use LA with Umar that is Muqaddas person in Ahle Sunnat. on that Particular i wrote.

 

and second line , why not ask Rahbar-e-Moazzam .. that is his Fatwa not mine. I was just reminding.

 

And shiachat is a public platform where he are using such curse with there Muqadass person, whatever he is doing in home no body asking.

Yes, i do not know yet how to react about what happens 1400 years ago. But the history has to be revealed, if not by us there will be other generation. Many people are ignorant to the history of Ahlul Bayt as. I myself is the living proof of common ignorant of the so called Muslim.

 

By the way, is putting la'natullahi alayhi to Iblis allowed or not ?

What if we put la to give salute/respect (my language is hormat, perhaps similar to Arabic) him for his bravery upon entering the hell ?

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Yes, i do not know yet how to react about what happens 1400 years ago. But the history has to be revealed, if not by us there will be other generation. Many people are ignorant to the history of Ahlul Bayt as. I myself is the living proof of common ignorant of the so called Muslim.

 

By the way, is putting la'natullahi alayhi to Iblis allowed or not ?

What if we put la to give salute/respect (my language is hormat, perhaps similar to Arabic) him for his bravery upon entering the hell ?

Ask your marja if it is allowed of not. I am not Marja, i have finished my Hujjat inform the OP what is fatwa of Rahbar-e-Moazzam if he respect him he will follow, if he not he will ignore. Everyone will give reply to Allah in end of days why and why not ... i done my work.

 

The bold part : this is stupidity to act smart specially when discussion is of religion.

 

Fe Amaan Allah

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@mesbah- let them do it openly. Whats the point in hiding their hatred anyway?

that's another discussion which involves the dynamics of Taqiyya and one's responsibility for other innocent defenseless shia.

I was talking about the regulations of shiachat and their application.

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I am not a hadith guy but why would Omer, buy the skin, write on the skin, what an evil act he did, and why would he write a transcript to Muawiya?

 

Sorry but this sounds ridiculous, Omer would write this letter and send a messenger to deliver it across the middle east for what? so that Muawiya can read about the daily life of Omer and what Omer said and what Fatima replied? This letter has no meaning or purpose to it, why would Omer send such a letter?

 

And please don't say he sent the letter so he could have a LOL with Muawiya.

Astounding application of common sense. A+

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So if against shiachat rules, why i am not kick out or ban ?

 

Members are allowed three warnings and if they don't follow the rules they can be banned. Anyone who commits a major violation might be banned immediately without warning. 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/12120-faq-shiachatcom-rules-and-policy/ 

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You keep you ilm for yourself and cover it just like Dajjal do. Good luck.

This statement was not necessary, forum purpose is to discuss healthy topic to solve issues not to provoke fights. If you are not able to digest things .. signout option is upper right corner. Click and never come back it is very simple.

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Here is the chain of narrators, taken from Bihar al-Anwar:

 

حدثنا أبو الحسين محمد بن هارون بن موسى التلعكبري قال: حدثنا أبي رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا أبو علي محمد بن همام قال: حدثنا جعفر ابن محمد بن مالك الفزاري الكوفي قال: حدثني عبد الرحمن بن سنان الصيرفي, عن جعفر بن علي الحوار, عن الحسن بن مسكان, عن المفضل بن عمر الجعفي, عن جابر الجعفي, عن سعيد بن المسيب

 

Abu al-Hasan Muhammad ibn Harun ibn Musa al-Tal`akbari said: my father narrated to us: Abu `Ali Muhammad ibn Hamam said: Ja`far ibn Muhammad ibn Malik al-Fazari al-Kufi narrated to us: `Abd al-Rahman ibn Sinan al-Sayrafi narrated to me, from Ja`far ibn `Ali al-Hawar, from al-Hasan ibn Muskan, from al-Mufadhdhal ibn `Umar al-Ju`fi, from Jabir al-Ju`fi, from Sa`eed ibn al-Maseeb.

 

This narration is weak for various reasons.

 

1) Muhammad ibn Harun ibn Musa is majhool.

 

2) Ja`far ibn Muhammad ibn Malik has been heavily weakened by al-Najashi and Ibn al-Qhadai'ri, so he's weak. Yes, al-Tusi did give him tawthiq but the most common opinion is that Ja`far ibn Muhammad ibn Malik is weak.

 

3) `Abd al-Rahman ibn Sinan is majhool.

 

4) Ja`far ibn `Ali al-Hawar is majhool.

 

5) There is a difference in view regarding al-Mufadhdhal and that is a topic in itself. However, even if we accept him as reliable, the chain is weak because of the previous reasons.

 

 

 

 

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Doing taqiya, you must have used this hadis :

A contributor mentioned that there exists another version of the tradition of "The City of Knowledge” where the Prophet states: "I am the city of knowledge and ‘Ali is its gate, and Abu Bakr is its foundation, Umar its walls and Uthman its roof."

 

hAHAHA

 

and you can add : i am, myouvial is the bs.

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well its a classic example of bringing the 2 caliphs to the same level as that of yazid or even surpassing him, wasnt this a big objective of imami shiaism ? afterall most people hated uthman and the ummayyads in Ali's camp however such visceral hatred of abubakr/umar is probably unique to imami shias

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Ayatollah Khamenei himself has many speech about the fact  happened in the time of Imam ALI (PBUH).we can and should tell the truth about the happenings on that time so that the reality dont change. but  the point here is not insulting ,cursing in a way that bothers our fellow Muslims.we can discuss in a respectful atmosphere . 

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we can discuss in a respectful atmosphere . 

That is the only point which is required,  and logically possible but practically impossible. If people of all sects learn logic it become practically possible.

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That is the only point which is required,  and logically possible but practically impossible. If people of all sects learn logic it become practically possible.

sad to say , you are right , and that is why we Muslims are so dispersed . 

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