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Jersusalem: Synagogue Attack

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^Are you seriously not aware that Ultra Orthodox jews have many Anti-Zionists within their ranks? I know it sounds surprising but Israel actually allows anti-Zionist jews to live within its borders. These guys don't even serve in the Army.

 

One of the convincing arguments put forward by Hamas ideologues is that israelis in general are legitimate military targets since there's compulsory military service in the country. But that's not even the case with anti-Zionist haredim, who are not only against the occupation of Palestine but are also exempt from military service.

 

Learn the facts before you justify attacks like this.

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^Are you seriously not aware that Ultra Orthodox jews have many Anti-Zionists within their ranks? I know it sounds surprising but Israel actually allows anti-Zionist jews to live within its borders. These guys don't even serve in the Army.

 

I am but as far as I know, these people that were killed, weren't Ulthra Orthodox jews and Haredis.

 

Learn the facts before you justify attacks like this.

Calm down. 

 

The majority, 70% of Palestinians which support the Zionist state and it's occupation, are part of the Zionist regime, even though they might not be a "military" personnel. Thus fighting them would be an act of Jihad. However if anyone more knowledgable thinks otherwise, please enlighten me through Islamic laws. 

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riously man, you have issues. I already banned you once for not thinking before you write. You have very racist comments, this is your last warning. Calm down or get banned, easy as that.

That comment in the last page wwent through moderator. I dont know whats so wrong with it? Remember how many masjids were destroyed in gaza?

You were free to delete that comment, i didnt think it would be posted through mod approval.

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I am but as far as I know, these people that were killed, weren't Ulthra Orthodox jews and Haredis.

 

There were Haredi of moderate non-Zionist type who were not exactly pro-Palestinian and probably thought that the Palestinians are scary dangerous terrorists who should not be allowed to work in Jewish places, but at the same time rejected Zionism, did not want the Zionist state to exist and were against serving in the Zionist army. All four killed people were immigrants from the US and UK who deliberately moved to Israel for spiritual reasons, to live peacefully in the Holy Land, but were distancing themselves from Zionism.

 

The problem was, apparently, that this particular synagogue attracts a mixed crowd, including completely fascist settler types. One active member is the father of the guy who organized torturing and burning Mohammed Abu Khdeir alive a few months ago. Just a day before the attack, this murderer was tried in an Israeli court, which obviously and openly favors the Jews over Palestinians. Abu Khdeir's family was forbidden to carry a picture of their lost child and when they left the court building, a group of settlers started insulting and spitting on them.

 

It appears that two crazed guys who worked in a store near the synagogue decided to carry out vengeance and to kill the father of Abu Khdeir's murderer, but instead slayed random non-Zionist people. The morale of this horrible story is that it is grossly unfair to kill civilians, especially non-Zionists who refuse to serve in the army, while non-Zionists and anti-Zionists should make their message more clear, be more consistent in their rejection of Zionism, and kick out settler fascists from their synagogues.

 

 

Here is a statement  written by an anti-Zionist rabbinical organization:

 

"One cause of these events is the nationalistic spirit which has recently spread and aroused the hatred of the non-Jews, and especially at fault are those who incite other Jews to ascend the Temple Mount, which is a most severe sin, as Jewish legal authorities have ruled. As long as the Jewish people is in exile, we have no authority or even any desire to take any place that belongs to the non-Jews."

 

 

I would add to it that as an esotericist, a batini if you wish, I personally don't view the future messianic Redemption in geopolitical terms and I tend to think that the future Temple will be in people's enlightened souls, not necessarily in physical Jerusalem. Or Al Aqsa Mosque itself may become the universal Temple after the end of history. :)

Edited by Yoel

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Why does everyone call these Zionists "civilians"? They are living in a land that is not theirs! They've spilled innocent blood to live there. Them living there means they support the Zionists and they accept and justify their brutal crimes against innocent Palestinians. Thus killing them is far from killing civilians. 

You live in Australia, does that mean you support Australia? and should we hold you responsible when Australia joins an illegal coalition force to land in the Middle east?

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Just in case you didn't know, I would like to warn you that FailedMessiah is an extremely biased site full of vicious anti-Haredi hate. Rosenberg is a crazy guy who is obsessed with turning every isolated dubious story into an full-scale anti-Haredi war campaign. A Haredi woman married at 16 and covers their hair - Uh, how ugly, oppressive and disgusting all those Haredim are! 90% of FailedMessiah content is on this level.

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"The morale of this horrible story is that it is grossly unfair to kill civilians, especially non-Zionists who refuse to serve in the army, while non-Zionists and anti-Zionists should make their message more clear, be more consistent in their rejection of Zionism, and kick out settler fascists from their synagogues."

Thanks for that brother Yoel, bless u.

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Why does everyone call these Zionists "civilians"? They are living in a land that is not theirs! They've spilled innocent blood to live there. Them living there means they support the Zionists and they accept and justify their brutal crimes against innocent Palestinians. Thus killing them is far from killing civilians. 

 

That's almost the same logic the IDF uses to justify its strikes on the Palestinians in Gaza.

 

Who are you to pass judgement on these individuals? Are they Israeli military intelligence? Did they personally have any hand in the killing of any Palestinians? As far as we know, they didn't. It doesn't matter if they even support the Israeli government. That isn't cause for killing them in some random, violent attack, and such isn't the example of Ahlul Bayt in any respect. There's no doubt that Palestinians suffer worse under the Israelis, but these sort of attacks don't do anything positive for their cause. They aren't strategic assassinations or anything, they're just unbridled rage. And when you consider that the Israelis are a much more powerful military entity that the only thing that probably keeps them from wiping out Gaza completely is the concern for having good PR, all these kinds of attacks do is play into the hands of those elements of the Israeli government who want to incite war and hostility. Even if it were against some Zionist youth training camp, I'd say it doesn't do the Palestinians much of any real good.

 

It's not a matter of blaming the victim here, it's a matter of asking the Palestinians to have some common sense and to not let the tyranny and violence of the Israeli government cause them to deviate from Islamic principles. What the Palestinians need is good leadership and a greater sense of organization based on true Islamic values of chivalrous resistance, mercy and forgiveness even towards ones enemies, they don't need random gangsters killing Israelis or other Palestinians who don't support their political party. Certainly, one can't blame the Palestinians for being angry, they have every right to be angry at those who stole their land and continue either wittingly or unwittingly to do so, but while Israel is responsible for creating the environment and conditions, the Palestinians are still in the end responsible for how they react to these things.

 

One can resist in ways that aren't violent yet still noble and one can resist in ways that are violent but still chivalrous and honorable and there are plenty of examples in the lives of Ahlul Bayt and their most devoted followers of both and that's what the Palestinians need, not more blood feuds with ordinary Israeli citizens, more of whom are beginning to grow tired of these conflicts with their neighbors, and for whom these sort of events only serve to paint a picture of Palestinians living in their midst as violent squatters with whom they can't reason with. And not only does it cause more suffering for Palestinians, it also causes suffering or embarrassment for other Arabs who otherwise would want to help them.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23

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