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Tafsir Qummi page 442

In regards to Surah Hajj Ayah 52

My Qummi was published in Beirut on 1435.

If this isn't sufficient for you, then I will take a picture and post it...

Please do take a picture of it. Because I have looked in that tafseer and I was on that verse and it isn't as you claimed.

My personal copy of Tafsīr Al-Qummi is two volumes made into one big volume published by Mu'assasah Al-A`lami lil-Matboo`at, Beirut, 1428/2007, first edition.

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(Salam)

(Bismillah)Please do take a picture of it. Because I have looked in that tafseer and I was on that verse and it isn't as you claimed.

My personal copy of Tafsīr Al-Qummi is two volumes made into one big volume published by Mu'assasah Al-A`lami lil-Matboo`at, Beirut, 1428/2007, first edition.

(Salam)

Do you have an email?

My laptop will not let me upload to this format.

I can send it email inshallah

Mine is same publisher as yours but second edition, also includes sharh of Karbala Iraq,

Like for instance, does your opening chapter have a discourse on Tahreef?? Mine has that, and its a big black volume that contains, like yours, two volumes

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(Salam)

(Bismillah)

Do you have an email?

My laptop will not let me upload to this format.

I can send it email inshallah

Mine is same publisher as yours but second edition, also includes sharh of Karbala Iraq,

Like for instance, does your opening chapter have a discourse on Tahreef?? Mine has that, and its a big black volume that contains, like yours, two volumes

PM me and I will let you know where you can email it.

(Salam)

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salam,

 

it was thanks to Hyderi for putting Sayed Ammar on a pedestal - all those many years ago..and then the undivided fan following. But even I have to admit it took me years - and i mean a serious amount of years - to give him the respect and time to listen to him (i still find him arrogant at times) but when I listened to his 'Imam Biography' series he had me hooked - definitely matured over the years and done good research. 

 

I do fear that his life might be on the line at times but I guess dying a martyr is what we all would love - just really pray for his safety at times!

 

I'm not quite sure I understand the fuss with this lecture - he hasn't said anything a lot of us don't think about or question - he has questioned it on a pulpit - okay some may object to that but he hasn't cursed any of them. There is a lot of discussions and debates on taqleed in general. And our Ulema should definitely be given their due respect but the marjaiyyah system is one that needs to be protected yes, but there does need to be more transparency. And I don't think its our marja's really it's their middlemen in offices here abroad. For me khums is an area that I would personally like to see more transparency - this does not mean I am against Marja's - I'm totally for protectors of our Religion and there is a real need to have religious guides. People are touchy about the Marjaiyyah system and maybe thats the reason why some are objecting and writing essays in response - and trust me when someone 'attacks' our Ulema I protect as much as I can...but that doesn't stop people of same respect for our Ulema to discuss - it's different to 'attacking'.

 

I have seen the lecture and I think a lot of people have misinterpreted what he was saying. He may not have said what he was trying to say eloquently and maybe some things were not explained properly but to start slagging him off publicly is wrong. Whether you like him or dislike him - we have to admit he is one of the best English speakers we have - we should support him where we can especially on a public forum such as this. Why do we take pleasure bringing those down that do so much for Islam? It's easier pointing fingers  - sometimes we need to start pointing fingers looking in the mirror and asking what 'have i done for my religion?' 

 

I'm not sugar-coating what he said but take the good and question the bad amongst your actual real-life friends or even directly with him, rather than slandering publicly. 

 

No one is perfect.  Scholars make mistakes. Teachers make mistakes. Parents make mistakes. Professionals make mistakes. But we don't paint them all with the same brush. Time we stop doing that to our Ulema/Scholars/Speakers too. We are getting attacked all over the media and other places as it is, can't we for once try to put a united front publicly at least?

 

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The probability of that being true is, at best, infinitesimally small.

 

I think the probability is high. There are some knowledgeable people here and we shouldn't underestimate them. 

 

Listen to a lecture given by a speaker and then try to do research on the subject yourself. You will be surprised at what you may find. Sometimes it is not difficult to find flaws in their knowledge. Then you may find people on the Internet who know more than the person you heard - even if it is on a particular subject.

 

In western academia people specialise on a narrow field. However we expect our speakers to talk about so many different subjects. Mistakes are likely to occur unless the individual has really spent a long time researching the subject. Sometimes you may be able to trace all the content of a lecture to a single article ....

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 Sometimes you may be able to trace all the content of a lecture to a single article ....

 

There is nothing wrong or bad about that. Is there? Knowledge is knowledge is knowledge.

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There is nothing wrong or bad about that. Is there? Knowledge is knowledge is knowledge.

 

It is a problem if that article doesn't cover all the relevant issues. E.g. you have heard speakers adamantly say that ahadith on the fast of ashura are only in sunni books - and that is a big mistake. Then you will find someone online who has studied the subject in greater depth and knows a lot more.

 

And it is a problem if the people get the wrong impression of the speaker's knowledge. I know one speaker who gave a whole lecture on a subject and it was even posted here and the people discussed it. Some months later I met another lesser known speaker (who is very very smart) and he told me that he wrote the notes for that talk and gave it to the other speaker  :wacko: On the Internet people thought the first speaker was presenting his own research. BTW the second speaker is an inactive member of this forum and he does have a number of posts.

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Yes, it's called poor (also lazy) research. 

 

Is there such thing as poor or lazy research? Have you written academic papers? Where do you get your sources from? As I stated above, knowledge is knowledge is knowledge.

It is a problem if that article doesn't cover all the relevant issues.* And it is a problem if the people get the wrong impression of the speaker's knowledge.

 

* E.g. you have heard speakers adamantly say that ahadith on the fast of ashura are only in sunni books, and that is a big mistake. Then you will find someone online who has studied the subject in greater depth and knows a lot more.

 

I really havnt come across your example, or I may not remember. But I suppose if a speaker does state such a thing, it is asserted that the party being addressed, their books are to be taken authentically. Remember, they have an audience they are speaking to ie Shias. Thus it is also implied, Shias dont have a fast of ashura. Yes, I agree, they should be or have been more clear when speaking, and realizing non-muslims also watch their lectures online, as the audience isnt just a mosque anymore, in this day and age.

It is a problem if that article doesn't cover all the relevant issues. E.g. you have heard speakers adamantly say that ahadith on the fast of ashura are only in sunni books - and that is a big mistake. Then you will find someone online who has studied the subject in greater depth and knows a lot more.

 

And it is a problem if the people get the wrong impression of the speaker's knowledge. I know one speaker who gave a whole lecture on a subject and it was even posted here and the people discussed it. Some months later I met another lesser known speaker (who is very very smart) and he told me that he wrote the notes for that talk and gave it to the other speaker  :wacko: On the Internet people thought the first speaker was presenting his own research. BTW the second speaker is an inactive member of this forum and he does have a number of posts.

 

Well than, it is this members fault who wrote him the notes. He should have been clear as he understood it was for a lecture. Anyway, how does one gain knowledge? From reading and so forth right? If his knowledge is from articles or picture books even, but his ideas are understood properly and he speaks well, so what? Its still knowledge that he has gained. How else do people gain knowledge other than learning from others.

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Yes, I agree, they should be or have been more clear when speaking, 

 

Or they just didn't know? Brother, get to know some of these people and then you will see where I am coming from. Talk to them and discuss things with them. Ask them questions. Then you will be better equipped to spot the imitators when they speak. Some of them are knowledgeable, some are not. The former are less confident and less eager to say just anything. 

Well than, it is this members fault who wrote him the notes. He should have been clear as he understood it was for a lecture. Anyway, how does one gain knowledge? From reading and so forth right? If his knowledge is from articles or picture books even, but his ideas are understood properly and he speaks well, so what? Its still knowledge that he has gained. How else do people gain knowledge other than learning from others.

 

It is best to consider the differing views before presenting one view as the truth. Imagine if a wahabi speaker just read a wahabi article on shia-sunni polemics without even reading what the shia have said.

 

In addition if you find someone making rational flaws, then you can doubt their understanding.

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Or they just didn't know? Brother, get to know some of these people and then you will see where I am coming from. Talk to them and discuss things with them. Ask them questions. Then you will be better equipped to spot the imitators when they speak. Some of them are knowledgeable, some are not. The former are less confident and less eager to say just anything. 

 

Okay, I understand. So who are these imitators everyone on SC is dying to criticize? Let me guess every single popular english speaker?

It is best to consider the differing views before presenting one view as the truth. Imagine if a wahabi speaker just read a wahabi article on shia-sunni polemics without even reading what the shia have said.

 

In addition if you find someone making rational flaws, then you can doubt their understanding.

 

Well clearly they will present the view they believe in to be correct, 90% of the time, unless it is a debatable view. I am pretty sure our Shia speakers are nothing like wahabi speakers, come on brother, bad comparison.

 

Yes, I would think that is common sense, for the individuals who understand rational flaws on that particular subject. But for those who dont, may God help them.

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^ Does Allah only test wahabis? Does satan only go to nightclubs?

 

I am not necessarily stating that the majority are like that but some would have to be. Do people not want to become famous?

 

lol brother where are these questions coming from? Does Allah not only test wahabis? Does satan not only go to nightclubs? Do people not only want to become famous? Cause I mean, I thought I was the only one who believed so! SubhanAllah!

 

God, I wish people who all they do is criticize, give islamic lectures or become a public figure :rolleyes:

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(salam)

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I have heard multiple lectures where the speaker has copy-pasted all of the points that are in a particular article or book. And never once did the speaker say the name of the author or the article/book. The worst thing is that the article/book can be found in English and I believe mentioning the article and author would be beneficial to the audience so they can refer back to the sources and for further reading. But I beleive he intentionally neglected to mention the article because if it known to the audience that all the points are from an article/book the speaker's image of being so knowledgeable will diminish.

(salam)

 

As a mumin, you better watch out, because accusing someone of wrong doing, and their intention was not the case you believe so, can be very sinful :)

I don't only criticise :) There is a lot of good out there.

 

I was not speaking about you, but in general (especially this site). Yes Haydar, it is also includes you, if you are dying to know. :)

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I think we all need to give Mr Nakshawani the benefit of the doubt, he's still quite young and is developing.

He's obviously very good at attracting attention to himself and letting people talk about him!

Earlier this year many were talking about his Tattoos...

Even the ISIS lecture people were criticising as he mentioned that Palestinians were all involved in this group, but that's not entirely true as it doesn't entirely represent them. There are many ethnic groups involved in ISIS even involving many ex-Ba'aths.

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Even the ISIS lecture people were criticising as he mentioned that Palestinians were all involved in this group, but that's not entirely true as it doesn't entirely represent them. There are many ethnic groups involved in ISIS even involving many ex-Ba'aths.

 

It's interesting what gets the attention of the people. For me the greater problem was not what he said about the Palestinians. It was how he portrayed Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyah & Ibn Abdul Wahab as the ideological forefathers of today's sunnis. Even saying that no famous sunni speaker can finish a lecture without mentioning at least one of the first two. This is simply not true, e.g. we have Sheikh Ninowy the famous sufi. There was a need to differentiate between the salafis and those who oppose them.

 

I don't mention this to put down Sayyid Ammar. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it was most probably an oversight in the heat of the moment. It may be very easy to forget mentioning a thing when giving that type of lecture.  I only mention it to highlight that the listeners can overlook things.

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It's interesting what gets the attention of the people. For me the greater problem was not what he said about the Palestinians. It was how he portrayed Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyah & Ibn Abdul Wahab as the ideological forefathers of today's sunnis. Even saying that no famous sunni speaker can finish a lecture without mentioning at least one of the first two. This is simply not true, e.g. we have Sheikh Ninowy the famous sufi. There was a need to differentiate between the salafis and those who oppose them.

 

I don't mention this to put down Sayyid Ammar. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it was most probably an oversight in the heat of the moment. It may be very easy to forget mentioning a thing when giving that type of lecture.  I only mention it to highlight that the listeners can overlook things.

Sufis and sunnis are one group?

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Give examples. Also explain how can the listener from sunni shia or sufi school will confuse the salafism with sufism?

 

Most people listening don't even know the fundamental differences between salafis and sufis. If they hear that Ibn Taymiyah is the ideological leader of the sunnis, they will believe it.

 

Sufi percentages: http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-1-religious-affiliation/

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Most people listening don't even know the fundamental differences between salafis and sufis. If they hear that Ibn Taymiyah is the ideological leader of the sunnis, they will believe it.

 

Sufi percentages: http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-1-religious-affiliation/

If you believe that there are far so many ignorant listeners to Nakshawani, then I think that his lectures are good to make them start learning . Who on face of this current earth dose not know wahabism or salafism?

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If you believe that there are far so many ignorant listeners to Nakshawani, then I think that his lectures are good to make them start learning . Who on face of this current earth dose not know wahabism or salafism?

 

Very ignorant sunnis who do not even realize whats truly going on in their school of thought? :no:

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True, he should not say anything against maraje. When he knows that people are upset about this, I think he will apologize for it. Apparently the youth like him because he is speaking English which they can relate to. It is sad that he cannot do anything without somebody complaining about something. I remember when people were complaining that why he wore a black cap, that he should wear a white cap. Now you see he has nothing on his head, accommodating everyone. He is young and finding himself. 

 

Why shouldnt he wear a black cap instead of a white? It isnt a turban at all, and he is sayed since he can wear the black one, or?

I think the probability is high. There are some knowledgeable people here and we shouldn't underestimate them. 

 

Listen to a lecture given by a speaker and then try to do research on the subject yourself. You will be surprised at what you may find. Sometimes it is not difficult to find flaws in their knowledge. Then you may find people on the Internet who know more than the person you heard - even if it is on a particular subject.

 

In western academia people specialise on a narrow field. However we expect our speakers to talk about so many different subjects. Mistakes are likely to occur unless the individual has really spent a long time researching the subject. Sometimes you may be able to trace all the content of a lecture to a single article ....

 

You can find people who are the city to knowlegde but they dont know how to present it, gets nervours and cant speak infront of a big amount of people. Thats the difference between Ammar Nakshawani and other people. Just imagne how he can speak in hours without any paper, nor book or anything. He spends hours on his work and to quote every single line perfectly.

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Why shouldnt he wear a black cap instead of a white? It isnt a turban at all, and he is sayed since he can wear the black one, or?

Even during the time when there were no complaints about his speeches, people had to find something to complain about, including the color of his cap. If you go to google images and search Nakshawani black cap you will see photos of him wearing a white cap and one photo of him wearing a black cap. I think it was his habit to wear a white cap, but during the days of mourning and especially in the Holy Month of Muharram and shahadat days especially Arba'een he would always wear a black cap. Because of the gossip about his clothes, I don't see him ever putting on a turban, even if he graduates from Hawza. 

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Even during the time when there were no complaints about his speeches, people had to find something to complain about, including the color of his cap. If you go to google images and search Nakshawani black cap you will see photos of him wearing a white cap and one photo of him wearing a black cap. I think it was his habit to wear a white cap, but during the days of mourning and especially in the Holy Month of Muharram and shahadat days especially Arba'een he would always wear a black cap. Because of the gossip about his clothes, I don't see him ever putting on a turban, even if he graduates from Hawza.

I think some people are heavily influenced by the celebrity culture. The most important thing about celebrity is their cloths and their personal life.

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Reminds me of this anecdota

A man and his son were once going with their donkey to market. As they were walking along by his side a countryman passed them and said, "You fools, what is a donkey for but to ride upon?" So the man put the boy on the donkey, and they went on their way.

But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said, "See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides."
 
So the man ordered his boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn't gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other, "Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along."
 
Well, the man didn't know what to do, but at last he took his boy up before him on the donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passersby began to jeer and point at them. The man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at.
 
The men said, "Aren't you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor donkey of yours -- you and your hulking son?"
 
The man and boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, until at last they cut down a pole, tied the donkey's feet to it, and raised the pole and the donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them until they came to a bridge, when the donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle the donkey fell over the bridge, and his forefeet being tied together, he was drowned.
 
Try to please everyone, and you will please no one

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I have a basic question to this graduate from UK, you have never studied in either Najaf or Qom and you claim to know what Ayatollah Khoie or Ayatollah Khomeini used to say to their students during their lectures.

Moreover you were around ten years old when both of them left this world.

Stop degrading the institute of Marjae and causing confusion in youth who are looking for guidance.

Or maybe you are part of a big game being played.

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Couple of Hadith to read and try to understand difference between Ahle Ilm and Orators.

Al-Kafi

H 128, Ch. 16, h 5

Ali ibn Ibrahim in a marfu’ manner has narrated from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following.

"The seekers of knowledge are of three kinds. The more noticeable of them in person or character are:

A. the group who seeks knowledge for ignorance and quarrel.

B. The group who seeks knowledge to dominate and cheat others.

C. The group who seeks knowledge for proper understanding, Fiqh, and power of intelligence.

The group whose purpose of seeking knowledge is ignorance and quarrel is a harmful and quarrelsome group. This group interrupts conversations in the gatherings of the people to speak about knowledge and the description of forbearance. Such people appear in the garb of the gentle and humble ones but, in fact, are devoid of all the qualities of the pious people. Allah has humiliated and has condemned this group.

The group that seeks domination and cheating is a deceitful and flattering group. Such people try to dominate people of their kind and flatter the wealthy ones who know less than they do. Such people consume the sweetmeat of the rich people and destroy their own religion. May Allah banish the news of such people and cut off their traces from the history of the scholars.

"The group that seeks knowledge for the sake of Fiqh, proper understanding, and to gain the power of intelligence consists of people who are deeply concerned and stay awake very often. They pull their robe on their heads and standup for prayer in the darkness of nights. They work hard anxiously and fearfully and pray with deep worries. They are very attentive of their affairs, knowledgeable of the people of their time and fearful even of their own trusted brothers. May Allah strengthen the corners of such people and grant them salvation on the Day of Judgment."

Narrated to me the above hadith Muhammad ibn Mahmud abu ‘Abdallah al-Qazwini from a number of our people of whom is Ja‘far in Muhammad al-Sayqal of Qazwin from Ahmad ibn ‘Isa al-‘Alawi from ‘Abbad ibn Suhayb al-Basri from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.).

Al-Kafi

H 69, Ch. 5, h 7

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from Ali ibn Ma‘bad from the person whom he mentioned from Mu‘awiya ibn Wahab from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following. "Imam Ali (a.s.), would often say, ‘O seekers of knowledge, (note that) a scholar has three signs: Knowledge, forbearance and quietness. An orator has three signs: He quarrels those higher then him through disobedience. He does injustice to those lower than him in position through domination and he becomes a supporter of the unjust.’"

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@ Sipahi110 Thanks for explaining the different types of seekers of knowledge. At the end of the day it's all about intentions and your heart, it's a shame that in our Shia faith people are only good at criticising and blaming others without taking a look at themselves....nobody is infallible in this world and we all sin in one way or another? But Allah has hidden this from other people and he is the most forgiving of all..!

Why are Shia's not united and like to attack one another? You frequently see big Marja and scholars doing this because it's all about attracting power and getting the Khums.

Please stop criticising and trying to pinpoint everything that Sayed Ammar does! For god sake at least he's trying to educate people and the youth about Islam and the Ahlubayt(as), I know so many have been guided by this man and have learned so much from him.

Those who like to critise him, I want to ask you what are you doing in your life now?!

Do you really enjoy bacbiting about others?

Are you propagating Islam and the Ahlubayt (as) to others? Or are you just busy looking at others mistakes whilst you ignore your own?!

Leave the man alone and go and help the poor refugees in the world or the oppressed people!

Stop trying to destroy the reputation of others.

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