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Assalamu Alleykium brothers and sisters.

Im having a disscusion with a brother if it is must for a woman to wear hijab.

I have given him this link: http://www.al-Islam.org/hijab-Muslim-womens-dress-Islamic-or-cultural-Sayyid-Muhammad-Rizvi/Qur'an-and-hijab

and there we can read about the scarf in the Qur'an. But for him hes not buying it. And he sees it as a recommendation and not a command from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Because it say "they should"

Can someone plz clarify more and maybe give some other refrence and Hadith?

Ty

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The question is, when Allah says you should, then why shouldn't you ?

Besides, both the verses ask the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) to 'say to' the believing women (to observe hijab) - making it more important. And in Surah Noor, verse 60 Allah says:

[24:60] As for women past child-bearing, who have no hope of marriage, it is no sin for them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show adornment. But to refrain is better for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Therefore, it applies that it would be a sin for young women to give up their hijab. Making hijab obligatory on women in child-bearing age.

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Narsis: Why does the site al-Islam translate "should"? What is the Arabic word and what is the translation?

Diyaa110: Yes I understand, why shouldnt we when Allah says so but disscussion is if its a must.

Ty both for answerering and taking your time.

Need also Hadiths if u have?

Salam

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On 10/6/2014 at 1:12 PM, m3e30 said:

Narsis: Why does the site al-Islam translate "should"? What is the Arabic word and what is the translation?

Salaam.

As you know there are some deficiencies in all translations and this is why descending the Qur'an in Arabic is miracle.

The word is "يَغُضُّوْا" which is present tense. The verb "يَغُضُّوْا" has been mentioned directly after the order: "قُلْ" (say!) which makes the whole sentence as obligatory sentence. So the issue of Hijab is an obligation according to religious teachings including Tafseer, Jurisprudence, Principles of Jurisprudence, Arabic literature and etc.

With Duas.

Narsis.

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(bismillah)

On 10/4/2014 at 1:35 PM, m3e30 said:

Assalamu Alleykium brothers and sisters.

Im having a disscusion with a brother if it is must for a woman to wear hijab.

I have given him this link: http://www.al-Islam.org/hijab-Muslim-womens-dress-Islamic-or-cultural-Sayyid-Muhammad-Rizvi/Qur'an-and-hijab

and there we can read about the scarf in the Qur'an. But for him hes not buying it. And he sees it as a recommendation and not a command from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Because it say "they should"

Can someone plz clarify more and maybe give some other refrence and Hadith?

Ty

wa alaykum asSalam

This is the problem with relying translations.

The word in question is here:

وَلْيضربنَ

The relevant article here is:

وَلْـ

or simply لَـ

Meaning that they are to (ie they are to use their headcoverings to cover their bosoms)

 

In Arabic this is called لام الأمر (the commanding L).  You can read a little about it here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9J1e1iDF3YkC&pg=PR15&lpg=PR15&dq=laam+al-amr&source=bl&ots=955fPnT_Gi&sig=HiLSs9IMJ4WLfnAnaLW9pOS4Gt0&hl=ar&sa=X&ei=TzE0VMztFoHpggSc9YLwDg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=laam%20al-amr&f=false

(pg. 632 #3)

 

Here are some ayahs of this article being used so you can see how it works:

(note: this translation says "let" for this particle, but read the ayahs and ask yourself whether this is simply a recommendation or a command)

 

وَإِذا سَأَلَكَ عِبادي عَنّي فَإِنّي قَريبٌ ۖ أُجيبُ دَعوَةَ الدّاعِ إِذا دَعانِ ۖ فَليَستَجيبوا لي وَليُؤمِنوا بي لَعَلَّهُم يَرشُدونَ

[2:186] Saheeh International
And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.

 

Is Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) simply recommending that we respond to Him(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and believe in Him(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) or is he telling us to do that?

 

 

وَلتَكُن مِنكُم أُمَّةٌ يَدعونَ إِلَى الخَيرِ وَيَأمُرونَ بِالمَعروفِ وَيَنهَونَ عَنِ المُنكَرِ ۚ وَأُولـٰئِكَ هُمُ المُفلِحونَ

[3:104] Saheeh International
And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful.
Really, is this a recommendation or a command?
 
وَإِذا كُنتَ فيهِم فَأَقَمتَ لَهُمُ الصَّلاةَ فَلتَقُم طائِفَةٌ مِنهُم مَعَكَ وَليَأخُذوا أَسلِحَتَهُم فَإِذا سَجَدوا فَليَكونوا مِن وَرائِكُم وَلتَأتِ طائِفَةٌ أُخرىٰ لَم يُصَلّوا فَليُصَلّوا مَعَكَ وَليَأخُذوا حِذرَهُم وَأَسلِحَتَهُم ۗ وَدَّ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَو تَغفُلونَ عَن أَسلِحَتِكُم وَأَمتِعَتِكُم فَيَميلونَ عَلَيكُم مَيلَةً واحِدَةً ۚ وَلا جُناحَ عَلَيكُم إِن كانَ بِكُم أَذًى مِن مَطَرٍ أَو كُنتُم مَرضىٰ أَن تَضَعوا أَسلِحَتَكُم ۖ وَخُذوا حِذرَكُم ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ أَعَدَّ لِلكافِرينَ عَذابًا مُهينًا
[4:102] Saheeh International
And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
Meaning that when you are praying in the middle of a battle, there is to be a group that stands guard, etc etc
يا أَيُّهَا الَّذينَ آمَنوا إِذا تَدايَنتُم بِدَينٍ إِلىٰ أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى فَاكتُبوهُ ۚ وَليَكتُب بَينَكُم كاتِبٌ بِالعَدلِ ۚ وَلا يَأبَ كاتِبٌ أَن يَكتُبَ كَما عَلَّمَهُ اللَّـهُ ۚ فَليَكتُب وَليُملِلِ الَّذي عَلَيهِ الحَقُّ وَليَتَّقِ اللَّـهَ رَبَّهُ وَلا يَبخَس مِنهُ شَيئًا ۚ فَإِن كانَ الَّذي عَلَيهِ الحَقُّ سَفيهًا أَو ضَعيفًا أَو لا يَستَطيعُ أَن يُمِلَّ هُوَ فَليُملِل وَلِيُّهُ بِالعَدلِ ۚ وَاستَشهِدوا شَهيدَينِ مِن رِجالِكُم ۖ فَإِن لَم يَكونا رَجُلَينِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامرَأَتانِ مِمَّن تَرضَونَ مِنَ الشُّهَداءِ أَن تَضِلَّ إِحداهُما فَتُذَكِّرَ إِحداهُمَا الأُخرىٰ ۚ وَلا يَأبَ الشُّهَداءُ إِذا ما دُعوا ۚ وَلا تَسأَموا أَن تَكتُبوهُ صَغيرًا أَو كَبيرًا إِلىٰ أَجَلِهِ ۚ ذٰلِكُم أَقسَطُ عِندَ اللَّـهِ وَأَقوَمُ لِلشَّهادَةِ وَأَدنىٰ أَلّا تَرتابوا ۖ إِلّا أَن تَكونَ تِجارَةً حاضِرَةً تُديرونَها بَينَكُم فَلَيسَ عَلَيكُم جُناحٌ أَلّا تَكتُبوها ۗ وَأَشهِدوا إِذا تَبايَعتُم ۚ وَلا يُضارَّ كاتِبٌ وَلا شَهيدٌ ۚ وَإِن تَفعَلوا فَإِنَّهُ فُسوقٌ بِكُم ۗ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ ۖ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّـهُ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ بِكُلِّ شَيءٍ عَليمٌ
[2:282] Saheeh International
O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah, his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah. And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.
 
وَإِن كُنتُم عَلىٰ سَفَرٍ وَلَم تَجِدوا كاتِبًا فَرِهانٌ مَقبوضَةٌ ۖ فَإِن أَمِنَ بَعضُكُم بَعضًا فَليُؤَدِّ الَّذِي اؤتُمِنَ أَمانَتَهُ وَليَتَّقِ اللَّـهَ رَبَّهُ ۗ وَلا تَكتُمُوا الشَّهادَةَ ۚ وَمَن يَكتُمها فَإِنَّهُ آثِمٌ قَلبُهُ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ بِما تَعمَلونَ عَليمٌ
[2:283] Saheeh International
And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then a security deposit [should be] taken. And if one of you entrusts another, then let him who is entrusted discharge his trust [faithfully] and let him fear Allah, his Lord. And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it - his heart is indeed sinful, and Allah is Knowing of what you do.
 
Is Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) simply recommending that the person discharges his trust and has taqwa or is Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commanding him to do so?
 
وَليَخشَ الَّذينَ لَو تَرَكوا مِن خَلفِهِم ذُرِّيَّةً ضِعافًا خافوا عَلَيهِم فَليَتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ وَليَقولوا قَولًا سَديدًا
[4:9] Saheeh International
And let those [executors and guardians] fear [injustice] as if they [themselves] had left weak offspring behind and feared for them. So let them fear Allah and speak words of appropriate justice.
 
وَليَحكُم أَهلُ الإِنجيلِ بِما أَنزَلَ اللَّـهُ فيهِ ۚ وَمَن لَم يَحكُم بِما أَنزَلَ اللَّـهُ فَأُولـٰئِكَ هُمُ الفاسِقونَ
[5:47] Saheeh International
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
Is Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) simply recommending that Chirstians judge by what was revealed by Him in the Gosepl or is He(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commanding them to do so?  (note that those who don't judge by what Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) revealed are fasiqs in this ayah and kafirs in another ayah and dhalims in another ayah)
 
ثُمَّ ليَقضوا تَفَثَهُم وَليوفوا نُذورَهُم وَليَطَّوَّفوا بِالبَيتِ العَتيقِ
[22:29] Saheeh International
Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House."
 
Is tawaf simply recommended in Hajj or is it wajib (obligatory)?  Is it recommended for us to fulfill our vows or is it wajib?
يا أَيُّهَا الَّذينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ وَلتَنظُر نَفسٌ ما قَدَّمَت لِغَدٍ ۖ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ خَبيرٌ بِما تَعمَلونَ
[59:18] Saheeh International
O you who have believed, fear Allah. And let every soul look to what it has put forth for tomorrow - and fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

etc etc 

And there's many more examples.

I hope the meaning is clear insha'Allah

And that's not even mentioning all the many hadiths on this issue.

And Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best

was salam

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