Isis Is Yajuj And Majuj?

[Wahdat]

ISIS is using the tactic of genghis khan of going in and killing everything that moves including women and children and livestock and even building pyramids of skulls to scare the next village into submission. When real Muslims fight they have Islamic principles that you probably heard of before.

Stop comparing people who have limits and Godly principles with ruthless savages. Your genghis khan comparisons to prophet and Islamic forces should not be tolerated on Shiachat. This is an insult to Islam, the prophet and his followers .

 

Again chanting Islam while acting unIslamic by being unjust. Such actions are close to idolatry than monotheism- one (std of justice for all)

 

I am sure that Daesh wont be able to amass a large empire even though they have logistical assistance from secret organizations. But Mongols did. If Mongols were like Daesh they wouldnt have been able to do 0.00001% of what they did.

Yes you are right- Taliban, FSA, Nusra etc all fight with Islamic principles while US, NATO, Russia, China, India etc all fight in a barbaric way where they behead, murder, rape, and pillage.

 

Wake up. Its 21st century little buddy.

[peace seeker II]

I will report you for your insults against the prophet and myself .. But to prove you wrong AGAIN let me answer you this wrong comment of yours:

"Where is the disrespect in saying that Arabs did not hail from an urban civilization?"

Arabs originate from urban settings in Yemen!

This is most likely I will ever talk to again because I don't waste my time with Rude tactless people like you .

[Wahdat]

I will report you for your insults against the prophet and myself .. But to prove you wrong AGAIN let me answer you this wrong comment of yours:

"Where is the disrespect in saying that Arabs did not hail from an urban civilization?"

Arabs originate from urban settings in Yemen!

This is most likely I will ever talk to again because I don't waste my time with Rude tactless people like you .

 

Wasnt a Persian, after Islam that created Arabic alphabets? Urban civilizations need bureaucracy and bureaucracy needs written language.

 

That said, even if I am wrong where is the insult in that? Zionists too see it as an insult when one talks of holocaust. Isnt that bit over board?

 

And go ahead and report for thats all you can apparently do when cornered by logic.

Before backing Hezbollah or Iran or this Imam or that Prophet, you cant be a true Muslim if you are not just. And you are not being just by accusing me of being insulting while I absolutely am not.

Its you lot that are being insulting, not for holding a historical opinion, but by calling an entire group of human family murderers or rapists.

[Jahangiram]

Not all Arabs were nomads, Yemen and Mecca were urban settings. Also many of the Arabian Nights tales originate from the 9th century (the earliest copies of the tales date from that period), it was only that more tales were added over the centuries until it was finalised into a complete collection in the 12-13th century. 

 

If you take pride in the post-Islamic mongols, or the post-Islamic arabs, then that's commendable. I wouldn't want arab nationalists siding with everything pre-Islamic arabs did.

[Khalilallah]

Wahdat we are not saying the Mongols were 100% bad, they did some good however the prophet is a man from god, he had been given authority to wipe out polytheism and guide people to Islam, this was not possible under the Mecca government at the time, so he had to conquer Arabia and kick out polytheism, the war on Muslims was also started by the polytheist. So the Muslims were not the aggressors during the time of the prophet, he was simply eradicating any obstacle that was against an established Islam, such as the Jews and polytheists who were against Islam.

 

Ghengis khan was a man who started the aggression, he invaded China, Japan, the whole of Asia basically, apart from Iran but the Iranian king was a fool for beheading the diplomat, and still he invaded Iran, Iraq, went towards modern day Russia etc.

 

And Allah does not like aggressors, so Genghis Khan was an aggressor, Mohammed wasn't, Mohammed would have been happier if the polytheist had let him preach freely, Mohammed also had a god given right, Genghis khan didn't. So do you see why I am saying stop comparing then. I don't like the comparison not because I defend Islam blindly but because a prophet and an emperor can't be compared, one is a prophet who is given authority by god, the other is one who takes it by force.

[Wahdat]

Not all Arabs were nomads, Yemen and Mecca were urban settings. Also many of the Arabian Nights tales originate from the 9th century (the earliest copies of the tales date from that period), it was only that more tales were added over the centuries until it was finalised into a complete collection in the 12-13th century. 

 

If you take pride in the post-Islamic mongols, or the post-Islamic arabs, then that's commendable. I wouldn't want arab nationalists siding with everything pre-Islamic arabs did.

 

Before we are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or Atheists we are human beings and creations of one creator. I take pride in goodness of all creations regardless of race or religion and feel ashamed and responsible for badness of all human beings for wasting their God given sense. In that way I commend pre-Islamic Arabs for giving the world characters like Prophet Muhammad or Imam Ali and I am ashamed of post Islamic figures like Mola Omar or Al-Baghdadi or Al-Zarqawi.

That goodness cannot be monopolized by one epoch, one  people, one religion or one individual. God gave this to all his creation  and throughout history. Some used it and some wasted it- both individually and collectively.

[Hasan0404]

I agree but with few corrections-

First- Koreans are an offshoot of Mughul tribes and thus constituted a big part of their Eastern empire. That said no empire in history of mankind, from Romans to Persians to Islam to anything in-between, came about through roses. Rumsfeld and Bush thought it was possible but they failed on their first sample- Iraq.

 

Second- Empires are spread through violence indeed, but tolerance, diversity, creativity, and foresight are also part of their package. Thats why you'd never see a Nazi empire or a Talib or an IS one. Because they all have violence but lack in other departments. 

 

Third- All empires are hated during all times of history by their subjects. From Persians to today's Americans thats the case. The fact that Mughuls stayed on for around 800 years in one form or other tells me that despite hatred of the empires people accepted them as it provided them with jobs and livelihoods.

 

Lastly- Empires are acquired through violence but maintained through tolerance. Except in case of Mongols the latter part is omitted by fools and ignorants.

 

Just like today where West is the beacon of light and humanity where you and I have escaped and east the symbol of darkness and barbarity (IS), during Mongol times it was other way around as they had turned East into global economic and cultural hub. Westerners, in their darkness, fantasized about Mongols and their realm. 1001 nights or tales of Marco Polo emerged in the same era. Indonesia, West Indies, or Native Indians have all the term Indo in common because the Westerners were dying to get to the Mughul India as many easterners today are drowning in boats to escape the dark east towards the humane west.

When West became powerful and the Mongol rulers of east weakened because their subjects were fooled by glitters of West, the term Mongoloid was introduced as a way to demonize the rulers (as Alawais in Syria or Shia in Iraq are today). Hence, Mongoloid is not a Persian word but an English one that Persians adapted.

 

Media Mogul or other terms used with the title Mogul is often used to describe things that defy normal imagination. Its taken from Mughuls or Mongols.

 

Many people died as a result of spread of Islam

 

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No, it is not so. During the life of the Prophet less that 1000 died, yet Islam prevailed in Arabian Peninsula.

 

 

From Taj Muhal that is the pride of Islam to poets and philosophers that Muslims take pride in to astronomy and economy that sustained the Islamic world were all due to the doings of Mongols... not Pakistanis, not Afghanis or not Tajikistanis...but Mongols.... HENCE THE IMMENSE IMPORTANCE.

lol, since when has Taj become pride for Islam? It was/is a sign of vanity, in no way pride for the people of the time let alone overall Islam. Sorry to say

 

Abbasids took lead from Mongols in this regard. They started translation movement. They founded the great library, they patronized the scientists etc.

 

 

They were the continental Godfathers who made sure societies were successful and independent. Today Iran is doing it on a micro level and people are short of deifying it. But Mongols did it million times better.

 

Thats why Mongolia still glitters in the rank of leading nations.

 

 

too bad that people who claim to be Muslims do not see this important thing

 

All hail Mongols, All hail Gengiz Khan if it make you happy and us Muslims.

[peace seeker II]

 

And go ahead and report for thats all you can apparently do when cornered by logic.

Before backing Hezbollah or Iran or this Imam or that Prophet, you cant be a true Muslim if you are not just. And you are not being just by accusing me of being insulting while I absolutely am not.

 

really? :) do i need to talk to hateful rude people? Islam teaches us not to, but for sake of proving you wrong AGAIN, because you said you didn't insult me .. didn't you call me this in post # 34

 

 

 stop talking like an utter one sided idiot. 

 

Do you even hear yourself? or just are drunk with your ignorance?

 Instead of acting like a dingo (AUSTRALIAN WILD DOG) that you are try to see things in a just way... something takfiris do.

 

.. look at you .. proved wrong again  ^_^

 

just like all the other false information you give out ..

[Wahdat]

really? :) do i need to talk to hateful rude people? Islam teaches us not to, but for sake of proving you wrong AGAIN, because you said you didn't insult me .. didn't you call me this in post # 34

 

 

.. look at you .. proved wrong again  ^_^

 

just like all the other false information you give out ..

 

Well, calling you an idiot when you act like one (by insulting those who I hold in high regards and demanding respect for those who you hold in high regards) is hardly an insult. By insult I meant that calling Arabs nomadic (not-urban) is hardly an insult. 

All hail Mongols, All hail Gengiz Khan if it make you happy and us Muslims.

 

Exactly. Because with Mongols as continental Political Masters Muslims were proud, independent, successful, and Islamic world was the center of arts, culture, innovation, economy etc. Without them and with Zionists as your current Political Masters Muslims are reduced to cabbies and pizza deliverers at best, and throat slitters, beheaders, cannibals, economically dependent, terrorists, taliban, daesh, and all that is dark and sick at worst.

Mongols gave Taj Muhals and Hafizes, Zionists gave Al-Baghdadis and OBLs and Mola Omars and shrine-destroyers.

 

You as a Pashtun should know this more than anyone because your community is no longer known for its honor (as it was during the Mughuls) but for its horrors, drug trading, terrorism, darkness, and sickness where brother kills brother as a matter of principle. 

 

no? Hence, have some respect for your masters cuz with the current disrespect you are bound to wallow in your current darkness.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Wahdat

[peace seeker II]

Well, calling you an idiot when you act like one (by insulting those who I hold in high regards and demanding respect for those who you hold in high regards) is hardly an insult. By insult I meant that calling Arabs nomadic (not-urban) is hardly an insult. 

 

 

really? calling someone an idiot dingo who is drunk on ignorance is not an insult ? :)

 

nonsense, and im glad i can point out to everybody how what you say is nonsense alhamdulilah!

 

the first thought that went through my mind when you insulted me like this was:

 

"coward! i wish that i'd meet this guy for real some day and let him repeat those words in front of me" .. which you obviously wouldn't :)

 

a real man would not insult people especially indirectly behind protection of internet, not even in real life. But i'll delegate Allah to take care of you :) be ready to have a new enemy who is from now on going to have some special duas for you for the rest of my life unless you apologize. to get justice for you insulting the prophet and me as well. until i die i promise to do that as long as i remember in sha Allah. well done!

 

maybe you should go on and compare the prophet with hitler next, and continue your accumulation of enemies who start asking Allah for recompense in their hearts for your zulm and insults .. escpecially because they can't physically reach you, and have no choice other than ask God :)

 

i usually don't tell people when i put them on my complain to Allah list, but with you i did. just like that

and i did report you here as well, but i don't expect any action to be taken by people, i expect my recompense from Allah only

I forgot to add another one of your comments

 

 

Wake up. Its 21st century little buddy.

 

you see comments like this make me wish to God that i get the chance to see you in person and show you how "little" i am .. who are you to talk to me like this? And because most likely i will not get the chance to .. before judgment day anyway .. God will most likely send upon you somebody to take care of that in this life .. in sha Allah

 

i want justice for your haughtiness and arrogance. you don't know me! 

 

better check yourself before you wreck yourself and fix your akhlaq and tongue .. rudeness will get you destroyed

[Khalilallah]

Peace seeker please seek some peace here and stop talking about your muscles, Wahdat please stop calling people idiots etc.

 

Both of you are arguing from 2 different viewpoints, and you are both right, I also agree with both of you.

 

the argument simply is, Wahdat is saying the Mongol did some good as well as some bad, but the good outweigh the bad, which is true, they used fear and death as a propaganda technique which actually saved more lives than it took as people surrendered, the other good thing which was good for Muslims was the Timurids, Temur the lame or Temur 'lang' was the mughul leader who forced the whole Mughal empire to revert to Islam, Huge portions of Asia became Muslims.

 

It is obvious that the Arabs were not nearly as good as the Mongols nor as organised, Mongols were better in every way. In fact if you study the history, the Mongols were victorious in Iraq because of the conflict between the Arabs there.

 

It is obvious Ghengis Khan was a genius and he did do a lot of justice, he gave Mongols laws etc.

 

If we were to compare Mohammed and Ghengis Khan, yes Ghengis khan conquered more, he gave people laws etc, trade was a boom inside his empire. So people did prosper.

 

Mohammed only conquered Arabia, but his aim was not to conquer, it was merely to plant a seed which would change and determine the course of whole world until the end of the world. The laws Mohammed brought are better than the laws Ghengis Khan made, the teachings of Mohammed about Islam and a life of piety and virtues are better than what Ghengis Khan wanted, which was to conquer the world.

 

Clearly the character of Mohammed is way better than Ghengis Khan. If we compare characters.

 

If we compare Arabs of that time with the Mongols of that time, Mongols as an empire did more good than the Arabs, also the Mughal empire later on converted a lot of people to Muslims, when Temur the lame accepted Islam and forced everyone within his empire to accept it, including his generals etc. So Islam gained a whole sub continent of Muslims because of the Mongols.

 

This is what I think, I have no idea why you 2 are fighting verbally. Peace seeker II I have nothing against you but threatening people and talking about how strong you are on the internet is pretty pathetic in our eyes, it is making you look small.

[Hasan0404]

Well, calling you an idiot when you act like one (by insulting those who I hold in high regards and demanding respect for those who you hold in high regards) is hardly an insult. By insult I meant that calling Arabs nomadic (not-urban) is hardly an insult. 

 

Exactly. Because with Mongols as continental Political Masters Muslims were proud, independent, successful, and Islamic world was the center of arts, culture, innovation, economy etc. Without them and with Zionists as your current Political Masters Muslims are reduced to cabbies and pizza deliverers at best, and throat slitters, beheaders, cannibals, economically dependent, terrorists, taliban, daesh, and all that is dark and sick at worst.

Mongols gave Taj Muhals and Hafizes, Zionists gave Al-Baghdadis and OBLs and Mola Omars and shrine-destroyers.

 

You as a Pashtun should know this more than anyone because your community is no longer known for its honor (as it was during the Mughuls) but for its horrors, drug trading, terrorism, darkness, and sickness where brother kills brother as a matter of principle. 

 

no? Hence, have some respect for your masters cuz with the current disrespect you are bound to wallow in your current darkness.

Indeed I can see how do you inherit mongol political skills, you are master in twisting things to justify yourself.

 

Your sense of belonging to mongols as their descendent is understandable. Mongols gave history beacons,

 

only made of skulls than bricks. Any among my people having committed such acts have no respect to me.

 

Mughals are bygone, Pashtuns retained what they could till 80's, when it showered dollars and they do retain

 

many of their peculiar things, atleast in my part of the world. The likes of Abdul Ghaffar Khan existed and exists.

[Wahdat]

Indeed I can see how do you inherit mongol political skills, you are master in twisting things to justify yourself.

 

Your sense of belonging to mongols as their descendent is understandable. Mongols gave history beacons,

 

only made of skulls than bricks. Any among my people having committed such acts have no respect to me.

 

Mughals are bygone, Pashtuns retained what they could till 80's, when it showered dollars and they do retain

 

many of their peculiar things, atleast in my part of the world. The likes of Abdul Ghaffar Khan existed and exists.

 

Let me give you the example of Syria to make you undersetand my point better.

 

In order to take control of Syria West first demonized President Assad, as they demonized Changiz Khan when they wanted to control Turkic empires. Then they demonized alawis as they demonized Mongols. Now talk to any Sunni and they think of President Assad as a butcher just as you talk to most non-Turkic Muslims and they think of Changiz Khan as a butcher. Once the Turkic political system was taken out we see how chaotic things have become where people slit throats and rape as a matter of faith. Once President Assad is taken out, God forbid, then we see chaos all over Syria as we see in the Muslim world today.

If President Assad was a butcher then he would not have ruled over Syria all these years. If Changiz Khan was a butcher he would not have ruled 300 million people with an army of about 100 thousand. If Alawis were killers and rapists then Sunni Syrians would have risen against them. If Mongols were killers and rapists then 300 Million subjects would have risen against them. If Mongols were bad people then they would not have been able to first take over advanced civilizations of their time just as Talibs, which were a bunch of idiots, could not take over West... let alone rule it better than Western people.

 

Mongols took over China and united China for the first time in history. China today owes its geographical boundary to political administration of Mongols. Russia likewise and India as well. Pashtuns for 300 years have not been able to build Afghanistan let alone elsewhere. 

 

Bottom line- savagery never pays off. Empires are not built on savagery let Pashtuns be a brilliant example of this. Empires are built on foresight, tolerance, and brains. Have some respect and do not be like takfiris who think President Assad or Sheikh Hassan are killers in Syria. 

Peace seeker please seek some peace here and stop talking about your muscles, Wahdat please stop calling people idiots etc.

 

Both of you are arguing from 2 different viewpoints, and you are both right, I also agree with both of you.

 

the argument simply is, Wahdat is saying the Mongol did some good as well as some bad, but the good outweigh the bad, which is true, they used fear and death as a propaganda technique which actually saved more lives than it took as people surrendered, the other good thing which was good for Muslims was the Timurids, Temur the lame or Temur 'lang' was the mughul leader who forced the whole Mughal empire to revert to Islam, Huge portions of Asia became Muslims.

 

It is obvious that the Arabs were not nearly as good as the Mongols nor as organised, Mongols were better in every way. In fact if you study the history, the Mongols were victorious in Iraq because of the conflict between the Arabs there.

 

It is obvious Ghengis Khan was a genius and he did do a lot of justice, he gave Mongols laws etc.

 

If we were to compare Mohammed and Ghengis Khan, yes Ghengis khan conquered more, he gave people laws etc, trade was a boom inside his empire. So people did prosper.

 

Mohammed only conquered Arabia, but his aim was not to conquer, it was merely to plant a seed which would change and determine the course of whole world until the end of the world. The laws Mohammed brought are better than the laws Ghengis Khan made, the teachings of Mohammed about Islam and a life of piety and virtues are better than what Ghengis Khan wanted, which was to conquer the world.

 

Clearly the character of Mohammed is way better than Ghengis Khan. If we compare characters.

 

If we compare Arabs of that time with the Mongols of that time, Mongols as an empire did more good than the Arabs, also the Mughal empire later on converted a lot of people to Muslims, when Temur the lame accepted Islam and forced everyone within his empire to accept it, including his generals etc. So Islam gained a whole sub continent of Muslims because of the Mongols.

 

This is what I think, I have no idea why you 2 are fighting verbally. Peace seeker II I have nothing against you but threatening people and talking about how strong you are on the internet is pretty pathetic in our eyes, it is making you look small.

 

all i am saying is lets have some respect for our elders in the region and learn from them. I respect Ayatollah Khomeni, Gandhi, Mao etc simply because they were our giants and as a result of their actions masses live with dignity. Saying we respect Ayatollah Khomenei because he was a shia and not Gandhi is like those Sunnis who say they do not respect Ayatollah Khomenei because he was a shia or a persian. They are wrong...no?

[Khalilallah]

Yes you are right, as the Imam said learn from whoever has knowledge, even disbelievers.

 

And I agree with you, we should learn from everyone, everyone has good and bad features.

 

I acknowledge the goods of Ghengis Khan, but what I am saying is that he is incomparable to a prophet, since their paths are different with different goals. 

 

And the prophet is obviously greater.

Edited September 29, 2014 by SF Taha

[peace seeker II]

 

 

This is what I think, I have no idea why you 2 are fighting verbally. Peace seeker II I have nothing against you but threatening people and talking about how strong you are on the internet is pretty pathetic in our eyes, it is making you look small.

 

where did i say i was strong or that i have muscles? no! i just know from real life how people in the real world talk to me, and that i wish sometimes that people who use insults against me online would repeat it infront of me in real life. Nothing to do with strength.

 

And i wasn't threatening at all actually. was just sharing something that is a fact, related to duas. I didn't say what the duas will be, or any details, just that i am asking for justice, as i never insulted this person, but he insulted me. It is completely beside the point what the subject matter is, or who is right and wrong. Once somebody uses insulting names against the other, it becomes oppression and the tongue of satan. especially that i did not answer in kind. i didnt call him a dog back or start swearing at him. just told him what i am about to do for as long as this is burning in my chest, and as long as i remember this Wahdat guy exists and how he spoke to me, while i was defending the prophet.

 

so keep your "pathetic" comments to yourself, because that is also bordering on being rude to me. You guys all need to learn some akhlaq and how to speak. And if you want have a shot at me to .. and anybody here for that matter .. if you want to insult me as well and insult what i am saying .. go ahead. I am in the mood for duas.

 

when i talk to people i keep it to the subject matter, without talking about them personally, usually. what you are doing as well, is talking about me personally. learn to differentiate, and this was the reason why i stopped used shiachat last time.

 

without justice and akhlaq in this place, you will repel any kind of people who don't tolerate such disrespect, and the mods and admins have a duty too, to keep the talk here clean and not personal. I neither insulted Wahdat, nor SF Taha, that is for the record again, and as i said before. If you want to continue insulting me .. go ahead .. i will keep on making duas as long as i breath in sha Allah

[Khalilallah]

Well you can threaten us with dua as much as you like but God isn't there just so he can punish who ever you ask him to punish.

 

All I am saying is that when you speak like this "i just know from real life how people in the real world talk to me, and that i wish sometimes that people who use insults against me online would repeat it infront of me in real life" makes you sound like a guy who probably has too much pride for his size. Remember size or strength is nothing valuable for humans because no matter how strong you as a human are, you will always be weaker than a donkey.

 

So please stop the tough guy talk and the dua threats, we are also god's creation like you.

 

Also you weren't defending the prophet because Wahdat wasn't insulting the prophet, he is also a Muslim remember? You got too upset before you understood his viewpoint.

 

How big are you anyway? how tall? 

[peace seeker II]

i wish that the rules of this place would be implemented sometimes:

 

 

• No swear words, unmannered replies or racist comments, especially when directed at other members. A warning followed by a temporary ban shall be met. If a member repeats their offensive or racist language, a permanent ban will take place. No excuses.
• We encourage members to be courteous to others, and treat fellow members the way they wish to be treated. Intelligent discourse and freedom of expression is encouraged, as long as it is exercised with responsibility. Insults made against other members on this board are not tolerated, even those made via PM. Warnings will be issued to offending members

 

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/12120-faq-shiachatcom-rules-and-policy/

 

i was called:

 

 

 stop talking like an utter one sided idiot. 

 

Do you even hear yourself? or just are drunk with your ignorance?

 Instead of acting like a dingo (AUSTRALIAN WILD DOG) that you are try to see things in a just way... something takfiris do.

 

 

this is ridiculous .. i really don't know if i'll continue using this forum like this! i come here to exchange idea, to worship Allah, not to be insulted. And people watching this and seeing him get away with it, without even admitting it .. will be encouraged to do the same. They'll say "look at him, he got away with it. let me try too .. "

 

 

Imam al-Baqir said,

 

1. ‘The weapon of the wicked is foul language.’

 

[bihar al-Anwar, v. 78, p. 185, no. 14]

 

2. ‘Say unto people the best of what you would like them to say to you, for Allah hates the curser, swearer, and slanderer of believers, the user of obscene language and to do it shamelessly, and the importunate beggar.’

 

[bihar al-Anwar, v. 78, p. 181, no. 67

[Khalilallah]

Well I didn't say that was good, nor did I insult you, just gave some advice.

[peace seeker II]

Well you can threaten us with dua as much as you like but God isn't there just so he can punish who ever you ask him to punish.

 

All I am saying is that when you speak like this "i just know from real life how people in the real world talk to me, and that i wish sometimes that people who use insults against me online would repeat it infront of me in real life" makes you sound like a guy who probably has too much pride for his size. Remember size or strength is nothing valuable for humans because no matter how strong you as a human are, you will always be weaker than a donkey.

 

So please stop the tough guy talk and the dua threats, we are also god's creation like you.

 

Also you weren't defending the prophet because Wahdat wasn't insulting the prophet, he is also a Muslim remember? You got too upset before you understood his viewpoint.

 

How big are you anyway? how tall? 

 

don't be so sure wether God punishes or not. That is not for you or me to declare. However, if did a mistake and a person said he's ask God for recompense, i'd be seriously worried. That's just me. I would apologize before such a thing happened. But that's just me. Other people are so sure they are right, that they will even deny their mistakes and ignore that somebody feels oppressed and does duas against them. each to his own.

 

tough guy talk? to you maybe, and maybe you are just different from me. When somebody insults me i want them in front of me. If you think that's because i'm tough then that's your own wording and your own problem. I wont stop saying the truth of how i feel, especially because it is not insulting anybody. I am just saying i want the person in front of me! 

 

how big and tall i am is beside the point! you are defending a guy who insulted me without me insulting him, while pointing fingers at me. and telling me i sound like somebody with too much pride for my size? that is a useless comment, and just shows me that you simply don't have the same principles and reality like me. Any man like me will understand exactly what i mean, and why i said it. You're probably just not like me. it takes one to know one. so worry about your own strength and reaction to insults.

and again, my dua comment was not a threat, it was a declaration. a threat is if i say :"if you don't do this i'll do that"

 

i said "i'll do that" .. which i have already started and will do for the rest of my life in sha Allah against anybody who humiliates me without apologizing and making it up. i'll ask for their humiliation, instead of insulting them back here.

[Khalilallah]

Peace seeker please seek some peace here and stop talking about your muscles, Wahdat please stop calling people idiots etc.

 

This is from my previous post, so I am not defending him for his wrongs.

 

You are over reacting

Edited September 29, 2014 by SF Taha

[peace seeker II]

all you told him is this sentence? there is no judgment against him like you did against me .. compare these two and it will be obvious who'se side you are on:

 

 

Wahdat please stop calling people idiots

 Peace seeker II I have nothing against you but threatening people and talking about how strong you are on the internet is pretty pathetic in our eyes, it is making you look small.

 

Peace seeker please seek some peace here and stop talking about your muscles,

 

 

 

you see, it's usually the one who uses swear words who is accused of bullying and ego problems, while the one who restrains himself is the stronger one. do you see the imbalance here? you are accusing me of talking about muscles, that i look small, how what i say is is pathetic .. those are insults too .. so FYI .. in my mind you are on his side here. 

 

and again for the third and last time, if you look at the posts where i reacted to wahdat, you will not find a single threat. you will find desire to see him (not threat), and declaration of duas (not threat). 

 

anyway, go ahead and insult me more SF Taha .. make enemies too if you want .. i never insulted you 

[Khalilallah]

Why do I bother

[peace seeker II]

don't ask me. you're the one who loftily likes to come up with insulting conclusions about me .. and how pathetic and small i look, and all .. you bothered before, so will you bother with some more? got anything more you would like to add?

 

and wahdat you too? got any more insults? 

 

anybody else here want to take a shot?

not take .. give it a shot .. hit me!

.. before im out of here .. come on!

 

yours'

 

DINGO

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by peace seeker II

[Khalilallah]

After all that fuss you just signed off as dingo? :wacko:

[peace seeker II]

yeah i can joke as much as i want about the insults people use against me .. hatred is bad and life has to go on.  ^_^

 

and the duas go on too in sha Allah .. they are relieving alhamdulilah .. and usually it helps me forgive and forget .. but it takes time and usually lots of duas.

[myouvial]

My knowledge of Ya'juj Ma'juj:

 

Whenever they pass the water, it will be consumed until dry.

 

I may further assume :

Not only water, but also other resource such oil, coal, gold, mineral, other mining resources etc, it will be consumed and leaving large earth hole. And we are all enjoying such energy from oil/coal, nuclear energy etc by using electicity to turn on the computer so that we can post in shiachat etc, are not we all the Ya'juj Ma'juj ?

 

What do you think ?

[peace seeker II]

the Disappearing Sea of Galilee

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZgjIe83HIg

[Khalilallah]

So Israel is yagog majoj

[Marbles]

So Israel is yagog majoj

 

Yajuj Majuj will look like Yajuj Majuj

Edited October 1, 2014 by Marbles

[myouvial]

http://rt.com/news/191656-aral-sea-nasa-dry/

[peace seeker II]

Until the Gog and Magog are let through, and they swiftly swarm from every hill. 21:96

[ScottishRevert]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge brothers. Interesting thread.

Salams.

[mogol]

Ive always been told Gog and Magog were the Mongols, because they created one of the biggest empires on earth while massacring millions of people along the way.

 

ISIS are more of a foreshadowing of the Dajjal. They have the black banners, long hair, call themselves a 'dawlah'..everything described in the hadiths. Its quite amazing.

I am mongol and my friends are tukic people from mongal steppe...

but we are muslim, so are we mongol and turks is yajuj and maju, why you all call us yajuj and majuj while we were muslim?

our anchectors Berke Khan, Uzbek Khan, The Golden Horde, Timurid Khan , Kazakh khan, Turk Ottaman empire, and the Mamuluks (Mostly turkic origin) of Egypt and Mughals are the protector of islam from the invasion of christan and buddish since 14th century, from the 2nd Great King of Mongol Empire....

 

then why all of you call the We Turk and Mongol people as Yajuj and Majuj?.... even our empires were fight for islam, fight for Muhammandian religon and greatly succeded in protecting islam relgion from invaders with the help of might Tengri - The Allah.?

[Skanderbeg]

I don't have problem with Mongol people but lot of empires used Islam as a tool to take power. When the invader can claim that he is doing the work for the Lord of creation he can reach the masses and justify his actions. 

According to Sahih Bukhari (correct me if I'm wrong) only someone from Quraish could become a caliph so the foundation of the Ottoman (Sunni) Empire was not even upon the Sunna which is quite contradictory. 

And when they actually left what did they leave behind that was beneficial for the people they conquered? 

Okay they left and gave people their version of Islam which only caused friction (Balkan for example) between diffirent religions because it was enforced upon people but no inventions or scientifical efforts were made. 

This is maybe not the cause with the Abbaside Empire although I hate them but at least they left some things in the fields of philosophy and science. 

Edited August 1, 2015 by Skanderbeg

[mogol]

I don't have problem with Mongol people but lot of empires used Islam as a tool to take power. When the invader can claim that he is doing the work for the Lord of creation he can reach the masses and justify his actions. 

According to Sahih Bukhari (correct me if I'm wrong) only someone from Quraish could become a caliph so the foundation of the Ottoman (Sunni) Empire was not even upon the Sunna which is quite contradictory. 

And when they actually left what did they leave behind that was beneficial for the people they conquered? 

Okay they left and gave people their version of Islam which only caused friction (Balkan for example) between diffirent religions because it was enforced upon people but no inventions or scientifical efforts were made. 

This is maybe not the cause with the Abbaside Empire although I hate them but at least they left some things in the fields of philosophy and science. 

Mongol and Turks were protected Islam more than any humans with the mercy of Migthy Alla, no arab neither persian kings did it after Muhammad s..ws.. and the 3 Kalifat.. So they should respect the Mogol and Turk people.

Seems all these so called arab and persians very jealoues of Mongol and Truks. even they distorting the Islam and Hadith to exlplain how the Turk and Mongol is bad, and how they were so good...

the thing Alla is willed will happen...nor your intention is....

Alla gave us power to protect islam, so do not feel jealous for us , for Mongol and Turk people...

otherwise you will make the holly Islam dirty... and nowdays all Fitna is around you, are "making" ISIS and Taliban etc... and currently speading Islam on  the base of very unhealthy idology... produces unhealthy muslms.

 

that is your Yajuj and Majuj and Dajjal...

not the Turk and Mongols... find the problem from yourself, not these far Turk and Mongols.